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Catwoman, you should not be an admin here.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:12 pm |
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Quoting girleegirl:
Well apparently you don’t really pay attention. You seem to think that just because I am defending cat’s right to state her opinion and remain an administrator of a site that would not even exsist without her, that I then must agree with her opinions. Since I rarely post on any political or religious threads, I think you would have a hard time defending that!
And by the way, what makes your opinion any more truthful than hers? |
Cause after reading your posts, You're proving that im right. Curious why you deleted there was also a post that says i m right, can you see it now?- NO.. But all your posts are here. Why?
Quoting girleegirl:
Well my mistake, you see since you didn't start your post with "in my opinion" I thought what you were posting was fact!!  |
I dont wanna say it again and again, Read my posts carefully till you undrestand.
You're not reading my posts i said "i think" and
Read my first post again and count the "i think"s..
Again your posts are my proof, Why cant you say that you're sorry if you're misunderstood ? Instead, you re acting like her adulatory who is also trying to be a smart-azz.
And a great writer said ;
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?
It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ?
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:35 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: I see no reason for Cat not to be an admin here. |
I see no reason for Cat to be an admin here.
Quoting Daydreamer:
Admins are free to express their points of view and to share their opinions regardless of whether other users like them or not. I believe TC is mildly moderated anyway. In all other forums whose member I am, no discussion with Admin is allowed. Their words and decisions are final. Here you're free to criticise Cat's opinions just as she is free to criticise yours. If you don't like it, you always have a choice, there's plenty of forums that praise the beaches, food and weather. |
Those admins deserves respect, I know you and you know me, you also know me that i m member of many web-sites like turkishclass. I have never seen such an admin in any other forums. Those are helpful/they are not insulting other people's beliefs.Also here we have those ones,some of the admins except catwoman. They dont delete the post when they dont agree. Also instead of solving the problem, you're saying "if you dont like it, you have choices" That's who you all are (read from first to here,you ll see that). We have no right to express anything or the wrong things you're doing. If we try,see how you're acting. Also is it that hard to say that "I m sorry, I didnt mean anything wrong" or "sorry if there is missunderstanding" ?
Quoting Daydreamer:
This is not an official Turkish Republic or Islamic website so why do you fear people will have a negative image of Turkey or Islam after reading this site? It is a free place - read, don't read, write, don't write, agree, disagree - we're all free to do it as long as we discuss ideas, not personal life of other members. If I consider somebody's ideas racist, bigoted or even stupid, why can't I write it here if I can provide arguments? |
catwoman didn't accept that there is a negative image.
But thanks,at last we decided that there is a bad image. So why that bad image disturbs you, when someone creates a topic about your beliefs, or when someone says that i m right? Why you deleted the post that says i m right-again ?
Quoting Daydreamer:
What is unacceptable is asking questions or statements about husbands, children or lovers of other users as that has nothing to do with what they think. |
Those unacceptable things is different from person to person, Those are yours, there is nothing about religion. But as you know there are many people who have unacceptable things more than you think. And you should respect it when you are warned,as we respect you.
Quoting Daydreamer:
You disagree with Cat? You have all the right in the world to do that, but don't tell her she has no right to write her opinions on her own forum.
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I'm saying it again; as an admin,i think she should not use the web site. ( try to figure my president example out )
As an user, No problem.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 12:49 pm |
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Actually, it is you who said something about negative image of Turkey, I was just repeating your words, myself, I think this site is more objective than any other site about Turkey I have visited. And you, knowing me, know best that I am an absolute fan of this country so I'd never want people to be discouraged  But there's a difference between censorship and freedom of speech - if people want to discuss controversial issues and state their ideas, they should be allowed to do that. Just like those who want to focus on non-controversial threads. As long as it's done in a polite way, I'm fine with it.
Respect is a funny thing, if we assumed that asking difficult questions is a sign of no respect then what would be left to talk about? That's why the rules say it's ok to discuss issues, it's not ok to have personal fights.
As for Cat, she can defend her position herself, I am not her lawyer, but I assure you, there were many times she apologised if her words were misunderstood. Read back the archives and you'll see
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:21 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Actually, it is you who said something about negative image of Turkey, I was just repeating your words, myself |
You didnt deny. You confirmed by repeating cause you also know that there is a bad image.
Quoting Daydreamer:
I think this site is more objective than any other site about Turkey I have visited. And you, knowing me, know best that I am an absolute fan of this country so I'd never want people to be discouraged But there's a difference between censorship and freedom of speech - if people want to discuss controversial issues and state their ideas, they should be allowed to do that. Just like those who want to focus on non-controversial threads. As long as it's done in a polite way, I'm fine with it. |
That does not explain me the reason of the post deleted here that says i m right. This also shows that this web site is not that objective and she is not that polite. With a polite way, you mean ; -deleting posts if you disagree -creating topics that insuls turks / islam? -locking topics when cant find anything to say. Is this what the polite you mean ? your answer is "yes" i think, cause this is what she is doing. If your answer is "no", you should tell this to her. Not me.
Quoting Daydreamer:
Respect is a funny thing, if we assumed that asking difficult questions is a sign of no respect then what would be left to talk about? That's why the rules say it's ok to discuss issues, it's not ok to have personal fights.
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Daydreamer, dont do that. I thought you're different. You know that i have no problem with difficult questions. I like to answer difficult questions,you know me and you can see it from my posts. Please read the first post. I even did not use a word like "difficult question". What she has done is more than "diffifult questions"..
Quoting Daydreamer:
As for Cat, she can defend her position herself, I am not her lawyer, but I assure you, there were many times she apologised if her words were misunderstood. Read back the archives and you'll see |
even she didnt try to say that she is sorry, and i have seen her apologies. Those didnt solve the problem. She goes in her way. The best solution is her to use this web site just as an user. At that time, she will be free about her posts. And ( i hope ) the posts that she disagree will not be deleted anymore.
And I ll be glad if you let her to reply. She can defend the her position herself as you said.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:27 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz: Also ; being an admin makes you more trusted, also when you make mistakes,its price will be greater than anybody else's price thats why i suggest you to use here as an user. You know i have never seen a president that says "christinaty is better than islam" Think about it why a president does not say such a sentence, even he thinks so ? |
I disagree with everything you say... sorry! And this is false as well. I am not a president of the site, whom everybody knows, whom people vote for to make important decisions about their lives, whose power can put people to war or to give them better lives... This kind of person's opinions matter, but not mine. I can assure you that nobody trusts me more, just because of my nickname then they trust you. They trust the validity of your claims, the way you defend yourself and your opinions... etc. And in the forum it doesn't even say next to my nickname that I'm an admin. You have to go to 'statistics' to look up who are admins... Ask anybody if they changed their opinion about Turkey/Islam because of my opinions! I am not an admin because "I had shown unconditional love and respect for all taboos about Turkey and Islam", so I don't have the obligation to act that way.
I think you have a big problem with freedom of speech...
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 01:53 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
I disagree with everything you say... sorry! And this is false as well. I am not a president of the site, whom everybody knows, whom people vote for to make important decisions about their lives, whose power can put people to war or to give them better lives... This kind of person's opinions matter, but not mine. I can assure you that nobody trusts me more, just because of my nickname then they trust you. They trust the validity of your claims, the way you defend yourself and your opinions... etc. |
So you have no responsibility about being an admin? Why dont you make anybody else admin then ?
And can you please tell me, How can they trust us when you delete the posts of us that you disagree ? if there is no post, there is just insulting, how can they read and understand and trust us?
Quoting catwoman:
And in the forum it doesn't even say next to my nickname that I'm an admin. You have to go to 'statistics' to look up who are admins... Ask anybody if they changed their opinion about Turkey/Islam because of my opinions!
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Anyone can understand that you're and admin. Most of the topics that you insult Turk/Islam, they say "as an admin, how can you say that" .. Think about a new visitor after reading this topic, wont he/she understand that you're an admin ?-it's same
Quoting catwoman:
I am not an admin because "I had shown unconditional love and respect for all taboos about Turkey and Islam",
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At last, there is something correct about you. You're an admin here. Cause its just because of your husband is site-owner. Thanks for informing us about your love and respect about Turkey and Islam. No love,no respect,admin cause she is just site-owner's wife.
Quoting catwoman:
I think you have a big problem with freedom of speech... |
We re talking about you, not me. Catwoman attacks again ? i think you do this when you cant find anything to say. Is it just this part that you understand after reading the whole posts ? You confirm me.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 03:07 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: In all other forums whose member I am, no discussion with Admin is allowed. Their words and decisions are final. |
Then why people would stay there if they have such treatment ?!
Not that they are forced or something,are they ?!
Sound like a Nazi forums to me!
The sites that i've been to are contradicting to that totally
Admins are nice,hospital and very much helpful too
Open for every opinion,and try to fulfil members needs too
Quoting Daydreamer:
This is not an official Turkish Republic or Islamic website so why do you fear people will have a negative image of Turkey or Islam after reading this site?
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People tend to believe unofficial sites more than official ones
Thinking that they read facts,not some Media directed to them
And needless to say how many ignorant people there,who are too lazy to search for things other than what offered to them
They think they done much already by reading such materials on the web and not only watch the Media
That blondy who was thinking Europe is a country not a continent is good example for that
There are many people like that,more or less like her.
Quoting Daydreamer:
It is a free place - read, don't read, write, don't write, agree, disagree - we're all free to do it as long as we discuss ideas, not personal life of other members. If I consider somebody's ideas racist, bigoted or even stupid, why can't I write it here if I can provide arguments? What is unacceptable is asking questions or statements about husbands, children or lovers of other users as that has nothing to do with what they think. You disagree with Cat? You have all the right in the world to do that, but don't tell her she has no right to write her opinions on her own forum. |
İ totally agree with that,as any member,but with admin or mods its a bit different
More critical with admin actually
Usually,admins represent the official opinions of the sites,not just personal opinions
So,its more sensetive when they state opinions against some parts,they considered to be the sites opinions,and therefore more reliable than others.
Coming to our case here,with Cat,
İ think she is doing a good job trying to maintain the site rules,and fixing problems when occurred
Her opinions about İslam and Turks are one sided,but i understand that they are her personal opinions and she is entitled to them admin or not,but as i said coming from admin is a bit crirical specially to new memberes
As for deleting posts,i dont think you can be both player and judge at same time
So,once 'admin or mod' join a debate i guess they should be doing it as memberes not mods or admin,so they shouldnt be deleting any posts of that matter,and leave it to other mods to judge .
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 06:18 pm |
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Quoting uYkuSuz:
Quoting girleegirl:
Well apparently you don’t really pay attention. You seem to think that just because I am defending cat’s right to state her opinion and remain an administrator of a site that would not even exsist without her, that I then must agree with her opinions. Since I rarely post on any political or religious threads, I think you would have a hard time defending that!
And by the way, what makes your opinion any more truthful than hers? |
Cause after reading your posts, You're proving that im right. Curious why you deleted there was also a post that says i m right, can you see it now?- NO.. But all your posts are here. Why?
Quoting girleegirl:
Well my mistake, you see since you didn't start your post with 'in my opinion' I thought what you were posting was fact!! |
I dont wanna say it again and again, Read my posts carefully till you undrestand.
You're not reading my posts i said 'i think' and
Read my first post again and count the 'i think's..
Again your posts are my proof, Why cant you say that you're sorry if you're misunderstood ? Instead, you re acting like her adulatory who is also trying to be a smart-azz.
And a great writer said ;
Everyone has their own foundation for their opinions. Why should it concern you?
It's my opinions about catwoman, why should it concern you ? |
I don't need to keep reading your posts over and over....it will not hypnotize me into believing you are right. You are entitled to your opinion....I am entitled to disagree. I think the difference is that you are calling for an administrator to remove herself. I find that to be egregious. That is why it concerns me.
I do agree with you on one thing though....I am a great writer!! 
Oh...two things I guess...I am a smart ass too but that is nothing new to anyone here I should think. 
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 09:04 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Coming to our case here,with Cat,
İ think she is doing a good job trying to maintain the site rules,and fixing problems when occurred
Her opinions about İslam and Turks are one sided,but i understand that they are her personal opinions and she is entitled to them admin or not,but as i said coming from admin is a bit crirical specially to new memberes
As for deleting posts,i dont think you can be both player and judge at same time
So,once 'admin or mod' join a debate i guess they should be doing it as memberes not mods or admin,so they shouldnt be deleting any posts of that matter,and leave it to other mods to judge . |
Thank you Canli, I appreciate your honest thoughts and kind comments. It makes sense what you said, and the only reason why I can be player and judge is that there are clear rules as to what posts are deleted (only personal attacks). Nobody can delete posts that they simply disagree with.
We tried to add more moderators with varying points of view, to make the site more balanced. Try to put yourself in the position of a moderator - what comments would you delete? You really cannot delete anything, unless it's a personal attack, so I don't think that my personal views are conflicting with doing the job of an admin.
There is a statement on the bottom of the page that says that 'opinions of moderators and mods are not the opinions of TC'. I think that is reasonable, because in many sites mods are volunteers who simply visit the site often and can follow the site rules. Therefore, it is not a requirement to be a mod that you have specific political views.
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13 Jul 2008 Sun 10:14 am |
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Quoting uYkuSuz:
You didnt deny. You confirmed by repeating cause you also know that there is a bad image. |
Nope, that's not how it works. If you said "It's going to rain today" and I asked "Why are you afraid it's going to rain today?" it wouldn't mean I agree with you, but that I was looking for an explanation of your fear. It was an analogical situation
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That does not explain me the reason of the post deleted here that says i m right. This also shows that this web site is not that objective and she is not that polite. With a polite way, you mean ; -deleting posts if you disagree -creating topics that insuls turks / islam? -locking topics when cant find anything to say. Is this what the polite you mean ? your answer is "yes" i think, cause this is what she is doing. If your answer is "no", you should tell this to her. Not me. |
I cannot judge why your post got deleted, I haven't read it. But it's not true what you're writing, as long as threads are a discussion they're not locked - your critique of admin is a proof of that, nobody deleted it and you're free to show your discontent with Cat. As far as I remember the locked threads were those with personal insults, not those representing points of view different from Cat's.
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The best solution is her to use this web site just as an user. At that time, she will be free about her posts. And ( i hope ) the posts that she disagree will not be deleted anymore. |
Best for whom? I am happy with her being an admin and I'm sure so are many other users. Of course you can't find a way to make everyone happy so no matter who is an admin, some people will always be dissatisfied. Admins are not elected by means of popular vote, you decided to join a site run by her from the very beginning. Live with it. Besides, not only admins delete posts, mods do that as well and the mods we have are not only those agreeing with Cat.
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13 Jul 2008 Sun 12:44 pm |
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Yet another semantic battle.
Dear Uykuysuz,
If you have been here as long as you say and you know the people you are having a discussion with, then you will also know that, however valid you think your points are, it will not change anything and all you are doing is providing a platform for all the things you are against.
As far as I know CW is not a Mod but she is listed as an Admin. It's up to her how she conducts herself on this site. Members can:
agree with her
disagree with her
criticise her
insult her
pm her
leave the site
ignore her
Admin or not, she is one person out of almost 17,000 members and therefore easily avoided.
This thread isn't CW's fight or anyone else's, it's yours, you've created it, it's what's on your mind and nobody else's, until you create the thread. You are also wasting your thinking time. What you've said is nothing new, it's all been said before (and I'm sure DD has all the TC thread references  ).
I don't think members new to Turkey will look at CW's posts and gain a bad impression of Turkey or Islam, unless they are stupid. Any sane person can gain an insight into someone's character from tone sand choice of language and then decide whether or not they want to believe or do more research and make up their own mind. Most members here don't even look at the discussion threads because they either come to use the language forum or the chatroom. They are the sensible ones . And if they do read the discussion threads then I'm sure it's purely for entertainment value. They are the canny members and I don't think their silence means agreement with either side.
"U", I think you have had a touch of the TC heeby jeebies this last couple of days. I hope you feel better soon.
Peace and love
from
A Stepford Member
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