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HELP! Understanding when to use "DIK"
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25 Jul 2008 Fri 12:58 am |
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Hey guys...
Having a lot of trouble here, getting very frustrating. I understand the "dik" suffix and it´s meaning, however, I can´t figure out which contexts to use it in. Does anyone know any links to lessons regarding it´s usage?
For example, I know something like "gittiğim zaman" means "when I go", so would "yarın gittiğim zaman, arabayı sürebilir miyim?" make sense?
I´ve been told it´s more correct to say something like "yarın biz gidince, arabayı sürebilir miyim?"
Is there a rule of thumb I can stick to?
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25 Jul 2008 Fri 01:06 am |
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Quoting Hilliar: Hey guys...
Having a lot of trouble here, getting very frustrating. I understand the "dik" suffix and it´s meaning, however, I can´t figure out which contexts to use it in. Does anyone know any links to lessons regarding it´s usage?
For example, I know something like "gittiğim zaman" means "when I go", so would "yarın gittiğim zaman, arabayı sürebilir miyim?" make sense?
I´ve been told it´s more correct to say something like "yarın biz gidince, arabayı sürebilir miyim?"
Is there a rule of thumb I can stick to? |
Some information for your here:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_596
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25 Jul 2008 Fri 01:43 am |
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Maybe this will help too
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11806
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25 Jul 2008 Fri 07:03 pm |
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Quoting Hilliar: Hey guys...
Having a lot of trouble here, getting very frustrating. I understand the "dik" suffix and it´s meaning, however, I can´t figure out which contexts to use it in. Does anyone know any links to lessons regarding it´s usage?
For example, I know something like "gittiğim zaman" means "when I go", so would "yarın gittiğim zaman, arabayı sürebilir miyim?" make sense?
I´ve been told it´s more correct to say something like "yarın biz gidince, arabayı sürebilir miyim?"
Is there a rule of thumb I can stick to? |
gittiğimde: when I went
It is usually past tense
gideceğimde: when I will go
future tense
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25 Jul 2008 Fri 07:06 pm |
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For me this has been the hardest thing to learn and I´m still not there.
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:10 am |
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Quoting sonunda: For me this has been the hardest thing to learn and I´m still not there. |
Shouldn´t be too hard as I see little ones (3/4 years olds) use it very easily. It´s just that it´s a very unusual construction for you guys (speakers of European languages).
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:17 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Quoting Hilliar: Hey guys...
Having a lot of trouble here, getting very frustrating. I understand the "dik" suffix and it´s meaning, however, I can´t figure out which contexts to use it in. Does anyone know any links to lessons regarding it´s usage?
For example, I know something like "gittiğim zaman" means "when I go", so would "yarın gittiğim zaman, arabayı sürebilir miyim?" make sense?
I´ve been told it´s more correct to say something like "yarın biz gidince, arabayı sürebilir miyim?"
Is there a rule of thumb I can stick to? |
gittiğimde: when I went
It is usually past tense
gideceğimde: when I will go
future tense
What is your source for this? This is wrong, I think. When I want to say "when I will go", I would say "gideceğim zaman" not this one.
One could say:
gidecek olduğumda = if I ever decide (or have an intention) to go
That´s a different meaning.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 03:20 pm |
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Quoting si++: Quoting MarioninTurkey: Quoting Hilliar: Hey guys...
Having a lot of trouble here, getting very frustrating. I understand the "dik" suffix and it´s meaning, however, I can´t figure out which contexts to use it in. Does anyone know any links to lessons regarding it´s usage?
For example, I know something like "gittiğim zaman" means "when I go", so would "yarın gittiğim zaman, arabayı sürebilir miyim?" make sense?
I´ve been told it´s more correct to say something like "yarın biz gidince, arabayı sürebilir miyim?"
Is there a rule of thumb I can stick to? |
gittiğimde: when I went
It is usually past tense
gideceğimde: when I will go
future tense
What is your source for this? This is wrong, I think. When I want to say "when I will go", I would say "gideceğim zaman" not this one.
One could say:
gidecek olduğumda = if I ever decide (or have an intention) to go
That´s a different meaning.
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Hi Si,I´ve heard and used both of these myself,
gittigim zaman/gittigimde=when I went.
gidecegim zaman/gidecegimde= when I go.
my question is in the second examples the ´de´ suffix is added why is that? does it denote ´and,at that time? I wonder?
so;Gittigimde=´and at that time´when I went
Gidecegimde=´and at that time´ when I will go.
That´s how I had it explained to me before but, now i´m questioning it thanks Si  
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:13 pm |
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Quoting mylo:
Hi Si,I´ve heard and used both of these myself,
gittigim zaman/gittigimde=when I went.
gidecegim zaman/gidecegimde= when I go.
my question is in the second examples the ´de´ suffix is added why is that? does it denote ´and,at that time? I wonder?
so;Gittigimde=´and at that time´when I went
Gidecegimde=´and at that time´ when I will go.
That´s how I had it explained to me before but, now i´m questioning it thanks Si |
Mylo,
As a native speaker, I have never used "gideceğimde" to mean "when I will go" nor have I heard somebody say it. What is you source for that? Where did you learn it?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:19 pm |
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Quoting si++: Quoting mylo:
Hi Si,I´ve heard and used both of these myself,
gittigim zaman/gittigimde=when I went.
gidecegim zaman/gidecegimde= when I go.
my question is in the second examples the ´de´ suffix is added why is that? does it denote ´and,at that time? I wonder?
so;Gittigimde=´and at that time´when I went
Gidecegimde=´and at that time´ when I will go.
That´s how I had it explained to me before but, now i´m questioning it thanks Si |
Mylo,
As a native speaker, I have never used "gideceğimde" to mean "when I will go" nor have I heard somebody say it. What is you source for that? Where did you learn it? |
I forget Si but I suspect it´s probably colloquial Turkish I don´t really know.I admit it´s not something I hear a lot but every now and then I get to here it, like I said I tend to use ´gittigim zaman gidecegim zaman´ etc but, the others I have heard a few times.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:24 pm |
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Quoting mylo: Quoting si++: Quoting mylo:
Hi Si,I´ve heard and used both of these myself,
gittigim zaman/gittigimde=when I went.
gidecegim zaman/gidecegimde= when I go.
my question is in the second examples the ´de´ suffix is added why is that? does it denote ´and,at that time? I wonder?
so;Gittigimde=´and at that time´when I went
Gidecegimde=´and at that time´ when I will go.
That´s how I had it explained to me before but, now i´m questioning it thanks Si |
Mylo,
As a native speaker, I have never used "gideceğimde" to mean "when I will go" nor have I heard somebody say it. What is you source for that? Where did you learn it? |
I forget Si but I suspect it´s probably colloquial Turkish I don´t really know.I admit it´s not something I hear a lot but every now and then I get to here it, like I said I tend to use ´gittigim zaman gidecegim zaman´ etc but, the others I have heard a few times. |
"Gittiğimde" is used to mean "when I go/went". "Gideceğimde" is unheard of for me. I don´t think it is used to mean "when I will go".
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:28 pm |
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That´s one of the reasons I was asking,why is the ´de´ suffix used at all? why not just use ´gittigim zaman´? I remember someone explaining it to me but it was a long time ago i´m sure they said it means ´and´ again not sure,if you natives say it´s not correct then it´s not correct you guys know your language
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:36 pm |
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Quoting mylo: That´s one of the reasons I was asking,why is the ´de´ suffix used at all? why not just use ´gittigim zaman´? I remember someone explaining it to me but it was a long time ago i´m sure they said it means ´and´ again not sure,if you natives say it´s not correct then it´s not correct you guys know your language |
-de suffix is used for in/on/at
evde = in the house
masada = on the table
7´de = at 7
If it is used with -dik suffix it has "at the time" meaning.
Gittiğimde = at the time (when) I go/went = when I go/went
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:41 pm |
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Thanks for the explanation Si, so in this instance the ´de´ suffix would be used as ´at´ in the pass tense gittigimde= at the time I went/left?
We don´t use it then for future tense gidecegimde= at the time I will go/leave?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 04:49 pm |
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Quoting mylo:
We don´t use it then for future tense gidecegimde= at the time I will go/leave? |
AFAIK no. For me, no. I am curious if there is any native speaker who use it for that purpose. I have never seen one upto now.
so in this instance the ´de´ suffix would be used as ´at´ in the pass tense gittigimde= at the time I went/left?
Yes.
Gittiğimde, o orada idi. = When I went there, s/he was there.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:00 pm |
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I think like si++, for future, it´s either "gittiğinde" or "gideceğin zaman", though they´re a bit different.
Forexample "Sinemaya gittiğinde bana telefon aç", it means "when you go to the cinema, call me", that you expect him to call you when he is in the cinema.
"Sinemaya gideceğin zaman bana telefon aç", "the time you´re going to the cinema, call me.", you expect him to call you before he gets there, maybe you´ll go there too.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:05 pm |
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Those are good examples mltm.
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:06 pm |
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I think i remembered where I heard this and I think I got it confused,this may be wrong but here goes,
Ben gidecegim zatende= I´ll go anyway, and if I recall the ´de´ was used to emphasise the ´zaten´(anyway)
so, Ben gidecegim zatende= I will go anyway(as we both already knew)
Is this right?
If it is maybe it´s a shorter way of saying ´I will go anyway,as we already know´ gidecegim´de´?
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:29 pm |
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Quoting mylo:
Ben gidecegim zatende= I´ll go anyway, and if I recall the ´de´ was used to emphasise the ´zaten´(anyway)
so, Ben gidecegim zatende= I will go anyway(as we both already knew)
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You remember it wrong I think because there´s nothing like "zatende" or "zaten de".
There´s just "Ben zaten gideceğim"
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 06:33 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting mylo:
Ben gidecegim zatende= I´ll go anyway, and if I recall the ´de´ was used to emphasise the ´zaten´(anyway)
so, Ben gidecegim zatende= I will go anyway(as we both already knew)
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You remember it wrong I think because there´s nothing like "zatende" or "zaten de".
There´s just "Ben zaten gideceğim" |
Ok thanks Si and Mltm 
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