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20.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:02 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

A year ago, they publicly threatened the ruling party in a decleration on their website (it is called e muhtira). 

Yes we learnt about this elektronik muhtýrasý, it took me ages to understand what the word meant :S 

 

21.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:15 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

That is what we have been listening all those years..´We are special; our special geographical position is not letting us to have full democracy, it is not the time for democracy now ..´

 

That`s not completely untrue. Just look at whom turkey neighbors, and you can see all the f...ed up states you could think of around the country. If Turkey was a isolated country like Australia, everything would be different.

22.       zbrct
90 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:30 am

 

Yes, Basbug Pasha is very brave because he thinks that no one can question the Army. he also thinks that he can silence the media´s freedom of speech. That is why Turkey is a modern (!) country. We will be more happy if Turkish army spends more time in securing Turkish borders against PKK terrorists besides interfering in politics.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=156065

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=156068

23.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:41 am

 

Quoting zbrct

We will be more happy if Turkish army spends more time in securing Turkish borders against PKK terrorists besides interfering in politics.

 

We will be more happy if our PM did not say "PKK is not our enemy" and we will be more happy if our government compromised with the army instead of fully compomising the legal PKK Barzani ... They dont write these news in that newspaper, do they?

24.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 01:51 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

That`s not completely untrue. Just look at whom turkey neighbors, and you can see all the f...ed up states you could think of around the country. If Turkey was a isolated country like Australia, everything would be different.

 

well..if you look at iraq iran etc you may think we are the rising star there..

But when you look at greece even bulgaria you will see we still have long way to go.

I have to remind you that 30 years ago, we were almost same as greece (or spain) and certainly better than bulgaria as far as the democracy is concerned..(and please check the recent history of Greece about their  military´s position and how they managed to get rid of it)

But anyway..do you think we should just keep thinking that ´ah..if only if we did not have these neighbours´?

25.       zbrct
90 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 02:20 am

26.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 03:00 am

Had this Arif Verimli and other respected psychiatrists examined the mental situation of our dearest PM after the Deniz Feneri Fraud while he was blackmailing the whole media?

 

There were little terrorist actions during a regular period of years before AKP had come to power, we are very grateful they are very democratic and humanistic that they unvalidated the terror law and they demobilized the professional soldiers who were very experienced in terror depending on the EU orders. And we come to this point again, i think these are so far our good days...

27.       armegon
1872 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 03:04 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Sounds like an immediate need for a change in the constitution!!

 

Unfortunately cannot be changed, a change in those means changing the regime that leads a civil war.

Btw do not forget, Turkish Army brought into being this country and established the Republic so of course they made these laws of constitution, like it or not...

28.       zbrct
90 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 03:43 am

 

Quoting mltm

The position of the army in the Republic of Turkey is particular since it has social duties given by the constitution as well, and I dont think that in any other europen country there is a active threat as big as PKK in their soils.

And secondly the culture of democracy is not very rooted in Turkey, so in order that we make Turkey as democratic as some other european countries, we need much more time and we should not let it be imposed to us by external forces.

And lastly I dont think that currently Turkey is very far away from being a democratic country since AKP has been in power since 2002 despite the fact that their many acts and opinions contradict with the armys.

 

 are we Talking about Thailand ruled by a military junta, or Turkey?

29.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 06:55 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

well..if you look at iraq iran etc you may think we are the rising star there..

But when you look at greece even bulgaria you will see we still have long way to go.

I have to remind you that 30 years ago, we were almost same as greece (or spain) and certainly better than bulgaria as far as the democracy is concerned..(and please check the recent history of Greece about their military´s position and how they managed to get rid of it)

But anyway..do you think we should just keep thinking that ´ah..if only if we did not have these neighbours´?

 

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

it seems like you`ve never been to Bulgaria,

and at least these countries don`t have terrorist exporting neighbors, a big difference.

 

30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 10:08 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

{#lang_emotions_laugh_at}

it seems like you`ve never been to Bulgaria,

and at least these countries don`t have terrorist exporting neighbors, a big difference.

 

You DO wholeheartedly  believe what you are told by the army..dont you?

I have explained here hundred times.  It is not much to do with our neighbours.

We ARE genereting those terrorists in Turkey by not providing an enough democratic environment where people will not require to take arms.

And almost every democratic step is blocked by the ruling class with the reasons we have been talking above: ´Our geographical and strategical position, look at our neighbours, not now´ etc.

This is a vicious circle. Dog chasing its tail..

Our problem is  internal. We should stop looking for excuses.

 

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