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Duchess accused of smearing Turkey´s image
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90.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 03:05 pm

 

Quoting ciko

i think we should see both sides of coin about orphanages.

 

one side is; there are so many orphanages like that in turkey and i think what we have to do is to stop questioning real intention of duchess and do somethnig for those children. The problem is there are not enough employed inspector and enough professional staff for government orphanages and rest home( old people´s home). To think that Europen are trying to stain Turkey is no more than stupidity. The source of news can not be more important than those children.

 

other side of coin is; there are 11.000 kids growing up in orphanages in turkey. i once visited one in hometown, and once in Ýstanbul. as far i saw staff were so good to kids and kids were really loving their teachers etc. they did not seem unhappy to me at all. and some of kids in orphanages go to university and become successful people (businessman, academician, sportman...) in their lives. what i am trying to say is that we should not ignore 80 % of these orphanages are not as bad as we see on TV. Lets not fire all forest just because of a few trees

I think this was the best post on this topic..

 

91.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 03:08 pm

Excellent analysis, Ciko

 

i think we should see both sides of coin about orphanages.

 

one side is; there are so many orphanages like that in turkey and i think what we have to do is to stop questioning real intention of duchess and do somethnig for those children. The problem is there are not enough employed inspector and enough professional staff for government orphanages and rest home( old people´s home). To think that Europen are trying to stain Turkey is no more than stupidity. The source of news can not be more important than those children.

 

other side of coin is; there are 11.000 kids growing up in orphanages in turkey. i once visited one in hometown, and once in Ýstanbul. as far i saw staff were so good to kids and kids were really loving their teachers etc. they did not seem unhappy to me at all. and some of kids in orphanages go to university and become successful people (businessman, academician, sportman...) in their lives. what i am trying to say is that we should not ignore 80 % of these orphanages are not as bad as we see on TV. Lets not fire all forest just because of a few trees

92.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 03:13 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think this was the best post on this topic..

 

 It is not very often I agree with you lately, but I do agree with you here

Great post Ciko

93.       anka
207 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 03:33 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Both of you have a point! You just refuse to see each other´s points!!!

 

  eyvallah !

94.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 05:50 pm

Apparantly you don´t watch any tv Anka. If so, you would have known that ´why Turkey´ is a very useless question in the light of all previous broadcasted documentaries on orphanages or other horrible situations in MANY other countries over the entire world.

 

There is nothing wrong with loving your country. But if you really love your country, you are open for any kind of critics, that will help you improve the place that you love so much, no matter where these critics come from. You would not feel that ´the world is againt only you´. That specific part of nationalism, blind devotion, feeling the whole world is trying to put you in bad daylight, feeling better than other places and being worried about your image, is, if you ask me, not love for your country. It is an ideology inspired indoctrinated and simplistic view of the world, that refuses to see that a country is a PART of the world, not the CENTRE of the world.

95.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 05:51 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I think this was the best post on this topic..

 

 +1

96.       anka
207 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 06:00 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

Apparantly you don´t watch any tv Anka. If so, you would have known that ´why Turkey´ is a very useless question in the light of all previous broadcasted documentaries on orphanages or other horrible situations in MANY other countries over the entire world.

 

There is nothing wrong with loving your country. But if you really love your country, you are open for any kind of critics, that will help you improve the place that you love so much, no matter where these critics come from. You would not feel that ´the world is againt only you´. That specific part of nationalism, blind devotion, feeling the whole world is trying to put you in bad daylight, feeling better than other places and being worried about your image, is, if you ask me, not love for your country. It is an ideology inspired indoctrinated and simplistic view of the world, that refuses to see that a country is a PART of the world, not the CENTRE of the world.

 

 Thanks for the lesson Deli Kýzýn. I appreciate it and agree the main theme of your paragraph. But i am not the one who is to be taught such things. You all insist on not understanding what i say and what is my point. You labeled me as nationalist and blind. That´s your understanding.

And i will not make any effort to change it. I know myself

 

97.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 06:07 pm

 

Quoting anka

 Thanks for the lesson Deli Kýzýn. I appreciate it and agree the main theme of your paragraph. But i am not the one who is to be taught such things. You all insist on not understanding what i say and what is my point. You labeled me as nationalist and blind. That´s your understanding.

And i will not make any effort to change it. I know myself

 

 Actually my second paragraph was ´you´ as in general, not specifically you.

 

And I never said your were nationalist or blind, though I slightly think so

98.       femmeous
2642 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 06:47 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Actually my second paragraph was ´you´ as in general, not specifically you.

 

you (a team of mods) are a master of this basic diplomacy. you say what you say but later on add "oh it wasnt about you specifically"

 

 

99.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 07:47 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Actually my second paragraph was ´you´ as in general, not specifically you.

 

you (a team of mods) are a master of this basic diplomacy. you say what you say but later on add "oh it wasnt about you specifically"

 

 That is how you like to see it

100.       anka
207 posts
 12 Nov 2008 Wed 09:33 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

Quoting Deli_kizin

 Actually my second paragraph was ´you´ as in general, not specifically you.

 

you (a team of mods) are a master of this basic diplomacy. you say what you say but later on add "oh it wasnt about you specifically"

 

 Ha ha! interesting... i agree with femmeous here

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