This is very admirable actually, and I know how you must feel about us "evil Westerners" who have absolutely no right to criticise so I do understand.

It probably feels biased against Turkey here because the website is mostly about Turkish issues.

Anyway, I promised you the last word!!!

Haha! Enigma you could not keep your promise..

And still misleading my friend. I haven´t call all you Europeans "evil Westerners"

I have lots of friends from the west.

But the sun rises from the East, don´t forget that ! Ha ha ha

Aren´t you behaving so much nervous and offended in defending yourself, although you blame me doing that.

I just don´t trust the intentions of that Duchess...No need to type all here again.

But of course i don´t know you and before knowing your heart i cannot judge you as "evil" haha

And you should not judge me that way as well. It was not fair i feel

If you know me more, you would question how you have judged me that way

FEEL FREE IN TYPING MORE, DON´T HESITATE CAUSE OF YOUR PROMISE, I´ll IGNORE IT.

 I ENJOYED THIS CONVERSATION AT LEAST

I wonder why reports on lovely Turkish coasts never stir up so much controversy. Aren´t they biased and showing one side too? Should Ian Wright be held responsible for presenting Turkish heritage despite the fact he´s not Turkish? I wonder what his underlying motives could be...

There´s loads of s*it going on in ALL countries and there are reports about ALL the countries, not necessarily done by their citizens. Why doesn´t it shock you to see an American documentary on dying children in Africa but when it comes to Turkey it suddenly becomes a matter of propaganda?

Congratulations on the way you´re brought up. You do represent all your country wants - blind devotion and inabilty to distance yourself from any issue that would make you question your country´s policy. Follow blindly, criticise west only, never be constructive, praise local heroes, there are no issues to deal with in Turkey, jails are perfect, orphanages home-like and censorship is for your own good - all bad things are JUST evil west´s propaganda.

BTW, Romania´s orphanages have been shown on tv countless number of times yet they got to the EU.

The answer is in your last sentence.

For many years Turkish was promised but still not gotten in EU.

But Romania has gotten in. What is the difference than, if there is no difference about the other bad parts?

Still i agree with your first sayings. You are right in your point but my point is still valid

Good Morning all. I have just finished reading all the comments on this very sad topic, and for what its worth I think everyone has a kind heart and can keep their reputations. Just the fact that you have written here means you care enough about it.

Without discussions things do not get changed.

i think we should see both sides of coin about orphanages.

one side is; there are so many orphanages like that in turkey and i think what we have to do is to stop questioning real intention of duchess and do somethnig for those children. The problem is there are not enough employed inspector and enough professional staff for government orphanages and rest home( old people´s home). To think that Europen are trying to stain Turkey is no more than stupidity. The source of news can not be more important than those children.

other side of coin is; there are 11.000 kids growing up in orphanages in turkey. i once visited one in hometown, and once in Ýstanbul. as far i saw staff were so good to kids and kids were really loving their teachers etc. they did not seem unhappy to me at all. and some of kids in orphanages go to university and become successful people (businessman, academician, sportman...) in their lives. what i am trying to say is that we should not ignore 80 % of these orphanages are not as bad as we see on TV. Lets not fire all forest just because of a few trees

 Thanks Sheena, i agree.

 objective enough

AE, my love, absolutely loved your posts here!

thank you for dealing with national pride - the pride of empty words.

sheep need education and light.

 My day is now complete

 Sheep need education and light?

Do you believe that sheep have such a mind to be educated? Hah haa! Interesting