Personally I find it equal to "without" rather than "before" but "before" also seems OK.

How ´bout this:

Çalýþmadan testi geçemezsin = You cannot pass the test without studying it

Yeah you may still object to it also but I perceive it that way. It seems to me a necessity rather than a time sequence.

HMM you find the structure perfect ? hmmmm

Yes, your example is correct... it has a negative meaning because you can also make it with a positive one:

çalýþmadan geçemezsin...

çalýþarak geçebilirsin...

but when you use before after it, it change things...

By the way, i am not trying to be a pain.. all I am doing is trying to discuss.. i am not after any kind of fight or anything.. so if I have been to direct or offended you in any way, sorry....

Nice heart Merih i don´t believe you have cause any offending, i believe si++ is also only discussing the point. He works hard, doesn´t he? I admire someone working on my native language more than i do.. Ha ha It´s my native language as well.

And i am still confused about this. Both of yours come right in a way..