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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 09:32 am

 

After killing of a 15 years old boy by the police, in Greece, Riots are still going on..

 

It is quite interesting to watch them from Turkish point of view because we are a country where police kills a boy because (he did not stop after he was told ´to stop´ and then his father gets arrested because he protests afterwards. (http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_30006)

 

We are almost in the same place on this earth. Forget what the racists say, we lived hundreds of years together with those guys. We shared many things with them.

 

If we are talking about army interventions, they had it as well..They had their share of military regime between 1967 and 1974.(In fact, we Turks are a bit proud the fact that Turkey´s 1974 Cyprus intervention caused the downfall of their military regime. We brought them the democracy )

 

(After reading this http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/10551371.asp?scr=1 )

The question is how come two similar cultures, two similar people differ at this point? 

 

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 10:09 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

The question is how come two similar cultures, two similar people differ at this point? 

 

interesting post.. but I am not sure what you are referring to that is different between Turkey and Greece..

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 10:17 am

 

Quoting catwoman

interesting post.. but I am not sure what you are referring to that is different between Turkey and Greece..

 

May be I could not make it clear..

If only one killing is making the entire Greek people riot because of police violence, why nothing is hapenning in Turkey when there is a huge list of  people got killed unlawfully by the police..

do you think Turkish people like killed by the police?

do you think after this riot in Greece police will get away with that killing?

Are Those riots part of the democracy?

And why on earth we, turks, still have that huge list?

 

4.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 12:00 pm

Such a nice way of protesting the police yes!

 

Burning cars, damaging the shops... making people worried and sad!! very well... very well...

 

Police can make wrong... but this never gives you a right to harm other people...

5.       femmeous
2642 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 12:17 pm

but hairy, you forgot to add some facts that i pasted below. right, ok, the boy was an anarchist and was a threat to the citizens. he was shot while he was throwing a bomb. if i were police i would do the same.

i know, i know, you are talking about the justice system, democracy (greek word) and the difference.

but government in turkey apologising to simple people? you must be {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

 

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The teenage was rushed to a nearby hospital but doctors could only confirm his death.

The news enraged hundreds of youths in the neighbourhood, who began attacking police cars with stones and firebombs, burning dozens of cars and smashing shop windows.

"Hundreds of them hit the streets, probably for revenge ... Dozens of police units are gathering to try to control the situation," a police official, who declined to be named, said.

Police responded by firing tear gas at the crowd, evacuating some restaurants in the area, and closing several streets to all traffic.

Hundreds of youths also took to the streets in Thessaloniki, Greece´s second largest city, after the news of the shooting was reported.

The protests soon spread to the northern cities of Komotini and Ioannina and the Cretan city of Hania.

Government apology

Several hours after the incident, Prokopis Pavlopoulos, the interior minister, appologised for the incident on private Mega TV.

"On behalf of the government and the prime minister, I express my sorrow for the incident and especially the death of the young boy," Pavlopoulos said.

"An investigation to clarify the situation has already begun. There will be an exemplary punishment and measures will be taken so that such a thing will not be repeated." He added.

Police sources also said that two police officers were arrested and were being questioned over the incident.

Riots have broken out across Greece after police shot dead a 15-year-old boy in Athens.

Police said the teenager was shot in the traditionally left-wing Exarchia district of the Greek capital on Saturday after the boy tried to throw a firebomb at a patrol car.

6.       femmeous
2642 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 12:23 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

Such a nice way of protesting the police yes!

 

Burning cars, damaging the shops... making people worried and sad!! very well... very well...

 

Police can make wrong... but this never gives you a right to harm other people...

 

 you are right, i hate that kind of protest. i would support such actions only in case of regime and neverending dictatorship. people overuse the freedom.

but sui such riots do also happen in turkey, esp. when theres a need to "defend" an image of a certain "peaceful" religion.

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 01:18 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

but hairy, you forgot to add some facts that i pasted below. right, ok, the boy was an anarchist and was a threat to the citizens. he was shot while he was throwing a bomb. if i were police i would do the same.

i know, i know, you are talking about the justice system, democracy (greek word) and the difference.

but government in turkey apologising to simple people? you must be {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

 

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The teenage was rushed to a nearby hospital but doctors could only confirm his death.

The news enraged hundreds of youths in the neighbourhood, who began attacking police cars with stones and firebombs, burning dozens of cars and smashing shop windows.

"Hundreds of them hit the streets, probably for revenge ... Dozens of police units are gathering to try to control the situation," a police official, who declined to be named, said.

Police responded by firing tear gas at the crowd, evacuating some restaurants in the area, and closing several streets to all traffic.

Hundreds of youths also took to the streets in Thessaloniki, Greece´s second largest city, after the news of the shooting was reported.

The protests soon spread to the northern cities of Komotini and Ioannina and the Cretan city of Hania.

Government apology

Several hours after the incident, Prokopis Pavlopoulos, the interior minister, appologised for the incident on private Mega TV.

"On behalf of the government and the prime minister, I express my sorrow for the incident and especially the death of the young boy," Pavlopoulos said.

"An investigation to clarify the situation has already begun. There will be an exemplary punishment and measures will be taken so that such a thing will not be repeated." He added.

Police sources also said that two police officers were arrested and were being questioned over the incident.

 

 

Riots have broken out across Greece after police shot dead a 15-year-old boy in Athens.

Police said the teenager was shot in the traditionally left-wing Exarchia district of the Greek capital on Saturday after the boy tried to throw a firebomb at a patrol car.

what?

Any 15 yo, labeled as anarchist should be killed at the spot?

Where are courts, basic human rights  etc etc?

Th police does NOT have right to kill anybody unecessarly..

In the end , citizens pay their taxes and police is being ´paid´ by those taxes..

 

This is the report from theindependant:

 

The two officers involved in Saturday´s shooting have been arrested and charged, one with premeditated manslaughter and the illegal use of a weapon, and the other as an accomplice. They are to appear before a court Wednesday. They and the Exarchia precinct police chief have been suspended.

 

Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos, whose offer to resign was rejected yesterday, has promised a thorough investigation

 

 

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 01:24 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

Such a nice way of protesting the police yes!

 

Burning cars, damaging the shops... making people worried and sad!! very well... very well...

 

Police can make wrong... but this never gives you a right to harm other people...

 

I am not advocating that directly..

But democracy does not come as easily as a  guest into any country...

There is always a price to pay..You pay it sooner or later.

But once it is there  it calls ´a stupid police´ into account like that..

And as far as Turkey is concerned, I wish we would burn the cars and riot when police kills innocent people by stupid mistake so that it NEVER happens again..

But look at the list I gave up there..Such a shame..

9.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 01:37 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

what?

Any 15 yo, labeled as anarchist should be killed at the spot?

Where are courts, basic human rights  etc etc?

Th police does NOT have right to kill anybody unecessarly..

In the end , citizens pay their taxes and police is being ´paid´ by those taxes.. 

 

 I completely agree...

People seem to forget that police are "human" too and have all human failings.  They should be punished when they take the law into their own hands.  It is for judges and jurys to decide punishments.  So many police are completely power crazy...

10.       femmeous
2642 posts
 13 Dec 2008 Sat 02:10 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I completely agree...

People seem to forget that police are "human" too and have all human failings.  They should be punished when they take the law into their own hands.  It is for judges and jurys to decide punishments.  So many police are completely power crazy...

 

 what? you two are crazy!

if i were police and if anyone was aiming at me, i will definetly shoot first. and if he has a bomb i will not think a second.

the democracy is not that you come out and do whatever you want to, killing and demolishing.

 

now, having said all above, i cant give any definite opinion about the situation in greece, i read different sources and opinions.

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