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Democracy/Greece/Turkey
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:31 pm |
Trudy and daydreamer, an orthodox is orthodox, and the partriarch of all the orthodox over the world is in Istanbul, it`s not called the greek partriarch or armenian partriarch it`s simply called the orthodox partriarch.
There is a Dutch chapel in Istanbul Trudy, does that mean the Dutch have a different religion?
http://www.searchturkey.com/istanbul/Culture/istanbul_churches_and_synagogues.htm
The problem here is that Greece legally forbids calling a mosque or any other thing Turkish.
NOT true. The patriarch of the Syrian Orthodox church resides in Damascus, not in Istanbul. Sorry to disturb your view of the world, how lovely Istanbul is, it´s not always the center of the earth.
About that Dutch chapel, probably not, probably only protestant services in Dutch language though there IS a protestant sect called ´Dutch-reformed´ - quite different from other protestant churches.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:31 pm |
Trudy and daydreamer, an orthodox is orthodox, and the partriarch of all the orthodox over the world is in Istanbul, it`s not called the greek partriarch or armenian partriarch it`s simply called the orthodox partriarch.
Nope, it´s like saying Sunni and Shi´a are the same.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:35 pm |
Nope, it´s like saying Sunni and Shi´a are the same.
And Alevi and Ahmaddhya and Sufi´s and Druze etc etc.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:44 pm |
NOT true. The patriarch of the Syrian Orthodox church resides in Damascus, not in Istanbul. Sorry to disturb your view of the world, how lovely Istanbul is, it´s not always the center of the earth.
About that Dutch chapel, probably not, probably only protestant services in Dutch language though there IS a protestant sect called ´Dutch-reformed´ - quite different from other protestant churches.
The partriarch in Istanbul claims authority on all the orthodox over the world. That`s not my claim or view of the world, if you have a problem with his claim, you better talk to the guy called partriarch, Trudy.
as I said the problem here is that calling anything Turkish is banned In Greece, not just the mosques but also schools, or anything you can think of.
Suppose I formed a new sect called called Turkish sunni, I will not be able to call my mosque Turkish mosque in greece, because it`s banned. It has nothing to do with your notion that there isn`t a Turkish sect of Islam though there are lots of different sects or Islam formed in Turkey.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:47 pm |
The partriarch in Istanbul claims authority on all the orthodox over the world. That`s not my claim or view of the world, if you have a problem with his claim, you better talk to the guy called partriarch, Trudy.
Then he is wrong and so are you.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:51 pm |
Then he is wrong and so are you.
suppose it`s so. in what way does that affect the fact that calling anything Turkish is banned in Greece? forget about the mosques you can`t call anything Turkish in Greece. there are numerous Greek highschools in Istanbul, but it`s banned to have a Turkish school in Greece. That`s what I`m talking about. how is this so democratic?
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:55 pm |
suppose it`s so. in what way does that affect the fact that calling anything Turkish is banned in Greece? forget about the mosques you can`t call anything Turkish in Greece. there are numerous Greek highschools in Istanbul, but it`s banned to have a Turkish school in Greece. That`s what I`m talking about. how is this so democratic?
Tami
Look..I think you should give Greek democracy a bit of credit there..
At least they are letting their ethnic minorities have their mosques and pray freely..
At least they did not try to erase every single non greeks from their own country..
At least they did not cut the throats of muslims like we did in Turkey..
Before trying to find spots in your ´eternal enemies´, you just look around abit..
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 10:58 pm |
Tami
Look..I think you should give Greek democracy a bit of credit there..
At least they are letting their ethnic minorities have their mosques and pray freely..
At least they did not try to erase every single non greeks from their own country..
At least they did not cut the throats of muslims like we did in Turkey..
is that the reason why there are only a a couple thusands of Turks left in Greece. how about the genocide they carried out in Cyprus against Muslims?
I`m not saying its all bad in Greece. it`s you who says that for Turkey.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 11:04 pm |
is that the reason why there are only a a couple thusands of Turks left in Greece. how about the genocide they carried out in Cyprus?
You mean because Greeks have been killing all the Turks there?
You have to seriously check the definition of genocide if you ask me.. I am worried you will be using it for ´street fights´ very soon..
Anyway..You completely managed the topic again..
Do you have anything to say to my original question?
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 11:09 pm |
You mean because Greeks have been killing all the Turks there?
You have to seriously check the definition of genocide if you ask me..
Anyway..You completely managed the topic again..
Do you have anything to say to my original question?
does that change the fact that the Greek wanted to genocide all the Turks in Cyprus and managed to murder thousands of Turks there? if it wasn`t for the Turkish operation, all the Turks there would have been killed by the greek. they wanted to kill all the Turks, but they couldn`t manage to do it. That`s called a genocide in legal terms, because there was an intention for genocide.
as for the original topic, I think I have proven that things are not so black and white as you see them.
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14 Dec 2008 Sun 11:15 pm |
i cant see whats so beutiful with this thing. It looks like the work of a laz muteahit. maybe it`s because there isn`t anything better in this place you called Rotterdam
different people have different tastes right as you have said earlier "crappy people" make crappy things.
so what is your point?
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