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Democracy/Greece/Turkey
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:21 pm |
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it is very blind to say people carry guns because police carry guns, what is the relation? Are you protecting yourself from police?
Yes.
If you think that is wrong... ask for new elections... why are you burning the car of your citizen who maybe worked years to buy it?
I agree, you don´t always get the leader that you want. And...since when has a burnt car been the same price as a life?
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| 31. |
13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:25 pm |
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well said and agree with exception to the bolded one.
it is also my duty to change the law that is idiotic, by taking part in discussions, writing articles in newspapers, using internet , calling people to protest etc etc.
Well
I guess what greeks are doing right now..And it can be called democracy..
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:27 pm |
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Well
I guess what greeks are doing right now..And it can be called democracy..
 
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| 33. |
13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:28 pm |
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how is it proven? it is not about gunless police or with guns. its the matter of matureness of the society. in some western countries it took years of education, mutual cooperation with the help of mass media, lots of social work efforts etc etc.
I agree with this ....
I was brought up in Ireland when and the police were armed it is about the matiurity of the society.....
between the period of 1971 and 1982 only 11 died by gunshot by the hands of police (officialy)
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:28 pm |
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YES! The police SHOULD protect everyone, including the criminal, otherwise we have a very different society. The law in this country is still "innocent until proven guilty" and it is not for police to judge. Also... imagine one day one of your family is shot "by mistake" or because of "mistaken identity" or maybe they just looked as if they were going to get a gun from their pocket, but they were not.
Being a policeman is a dangerous job yes, policeman have been killed throughout history while carrying out their duties. However, it is still a rare occurance.
hey, you are walking away from the point. the boy seemed to be from left-wing anarchist political group (im not so sure though) and he was throwing a bomb. thats more than enough obvious what you should do. i wouldnt shoot him to kill but shoot enough to paralise him.
in this case it is obvious enough. or do you expect him bomb you and your colleagues?
if any criminal is gunning down everyone in the street must be put down. and theres no such a thing innocent until proven in that sequence of crime.
and right, with the mistakes or brutality of the police i agree with you.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:30 pm |
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Well
I guess what greeks are doing right now..And it can be called democracy..
well, i didnt mean come out to streets and demolish the city disturbing a peaceful life.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:32 pm |
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hey, you are walking away from the point. the boy seemed to be from left-wing anarchist political group (im not so sure though) and he was throwing a bomb. thats more than enough obvious what you should do. i wouldnt shoot him to kill but shoot enough to paralise him.
in this case he is innocent enough. or do you expect him bomb you and your colleagues?
if any criminal is gunning down everyone in the street must be put down. and theres no such a thing innocent until proven in that sequence of crime.
and right, with the mistakes or brutality of the police i agree with you.
Femme
you ignored my quote from the papers:
The two officers involved in Saturday´s shooting have been arrested and charged, one with premeditated manslaughter and the illegal use of a weapon, and the other as an accomplice. They are to appear before a court Wednesday. They and the Exarchia precinct police chief have been suspended.
Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos, whose offer to resign was rejected yesterday, has promised a thorough investigation
Ok they (the police) are innocent until proven guilty.
But the judge thinks that there is enough evidence to charge them!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:35 pm |
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well, i didnt mean come out to streets and demolish the city disturbing a peaceful life.
Well
I wish my own country´s people came out to streets and disturbed the peaceful life years ago and we had not had hundreds of people got killed by police bullets!!
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:38 pm |
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Femme
you ignored my quote from the papers:
The two officers involved in Saturday´s shooting have been arrested and charged, one with premeditated manslaughter and the illegal use of a weapon, and the other as an accomplice. They are to appear before a court Wednesday. They and the Exarchia precinct police chief have been suspended.
Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos, whose offer to resign was rejected yesterday, has promised a thorough investigation
Ok they (the police) are innocent until proven guilty.
But the judge thinks that there is enough evidence to charge them!!
tell me what your point is? do i disagree with the judging system in greece or what?
the boy came out with a bomb, they shot him down, and now they are charged with manslaughter. it shows that in greece they have a law that also can be used in the case of police.
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:41 pm |
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Well
I wish my own country´s people came out to streets and disturbed the peaceful life years ago and we had not had hundreds of people got killed by police bullets!!
yeah, maybe you are right, but your people will come out maybe 500 years later? 
thats what i also say about my own country "quiet brainless sheep".
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13 Dec 2008 Sat 03:59 pm |
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yeah, maybe you are right, but your people will come out maybe 500 years later?
thats what i also say about my own country "quiet brainless sheep".
You do not exaggerate!!
Well as far as the democracy is concerned, we were almost at the same level in 1970s with Greece. We have almost identical culture.
That was my question in the first place:
What went wrong or what went missing or what they did but we did NOT?
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