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the killing continues, GAZA
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130.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 04:00 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Has anybody who supports isreal or people who starts talking ´but hamas is doing this and that´ tried to think themselves as Palestinians ?

 

 

But try to think yourselves as Palestinians..

Lets us, Turks try it..

 

 

 Ã think Turks already know that.

But im with you..

Why doesnt anyone try it.

Even better...

Ýf you are sitting in your own home,then came some armed few people and kicked you out of your home,and fire at some of your family

Some run away to the neighbours to hide

Some Stayed at the terrace,and try to entered

And keep knocking.

Neighbours call the police,but the police was already corruptedgot paid by the armed men

So,they say,let things as they are.

And when you try to fight your way back..to your own home

Even by throwing stones at the windows

They call the police,and police condemn you ...and the armed people,fire at you..claiming they are defending themselves,and you are a thief,terrorist,try to break in !

131.       lady in red
6947 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 10:49 am


Quoting thehandsom:

We still remember how kurds or iranians were gassed by saddam and I am sure you did not feel the same and called them ´our people´.  

 

 

Quoting Canlý:

Kurds,and Ýranians are Muslims,so according to you and AE,i should also call them our people.

You are contradicting yourself here !

 

I think his point is that he doesn´t think you do - where´s the contradiction?

 

Quoting Canlý:

No handsom,you are contradicting yourself.

You said i call palestinians our people because they are muslims,and asked me why dont i call kurds,Ýranians also our people .

According to that logic,i should also call them our people,and you doubt that i do

See?messy ,eh ?

 Agaýn - where´s the contradiction? {#lang_emotions_unsure} - he is saying you should but he doubts you do - not you should but you shouldn´t - that would be a contradiction.

132.       juliacernat
424 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 10:59 am

quoting femmeous: ...."and palestinian constant un-ending attacks to israel represent what? peace? "

Robert Fisk: Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-why-do-they-hate-the-west-so-much-we-will-ask-1230046.html

 

........"And I write the following without the slightest doubt: we´ll hear all these scandalous fabrications again. We´ll have the Hamas-to-blame lie – heaven knows, there is enough to blame them for without adding this crime – and we may well have the bodies-from-the-cemetery lie and we´ll almost certainly have the Hamas-was-in-the-UN-school lie and we will very definitely have the anti-Semitism lie. And our leaders will huff and puff and remind the world that Hamas originally broke the ceasefire. It didn´t. Israel broke it, first on 4 November when its bombardment killed six Palestinians in Gaza and again on 17 November when another bombardment killed four more Palestinians".

 

133.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:01 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

I think his point is that he doesn´t think you do - where´s the contradiction?

 

 He said i am siding up with Palestinians and call them our people just for being Muslims.

At same time he doesnt think i call Kurds and Ýranians our people..Kurds and Ýranians are also muslims

Ýf what he said first was right,then what he said second would be wrong and vice versa.

Thats contradiction.

134.       chiko
135 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:14 am

i unconsciously see Palestenians ( muslim or non-muslim) or Balkan People "as our people". it is probably historical background. and i dont understand what is wrong with it.  how can you ignore cultural and historic affinity? 

 

 

 

Quoting CANLI

 He said i am siding up with Palestinians and call them our people just for being Muslims.

At same time he doesnt think i call Kurds and Ýranians our people..Kurds and Ýranians are also muslims

Ýf what he said first was right,then what he said second would be wrong and vice versa.

Thats contradiction.

135.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:15 am

Dr. Mads Gilbert, Gaza,

Dr . Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian doctor in Gaza, tells Sky News that the number of civilians injured and killed in Gaza proves that Israel is deliberately attacking the population.

 

“Just a little bit more than an hour ago the Israelis bombed the central fruit market in Gaza city and we had a mass influx of about 50 injured and between 10 and 15 killed. At the same time they bombed an apartment house with children playing on the roof and we had a lot of children also. So this is really like speaking from the dumps of Inferno, it’s like hell here now, and it’s been bombing all night. Until now close to 500 people have been killed and the number of casualties is getting to 2,500 of which 50% are children and women.

Are your hospitals reaching capacity? Can you deal with these people?

We have been doing surgery around the clock. I have just talked with one of my colleagues in the ICU (Intensive Care Unit), he´s not been sleeping for three days and the hospital is completely overcrowded, we are running 6 - 7 Ors (Operating Rooms) and there are injuries you just don’t want to see in this world… children coming in with open abdomens and legs cut off. We just had a child that we had to amputate both legs and an arm. And their only crime is being civilians and Palestinians living in Gaza. The relief now is not more doctors and more drugs; the relief now is to stop the bombing immediately, this cannot go on, it’s a disaster.

You’ve talked about the civilians, the women, the children, the men who aren’t involved in this, but are you also getting casualties that are Hamas fighters?

To be honest, we came on New Year’s Eve in the morning. I’ve seen one military person among the tenths… I mean hundreds that we’ve seen and treated, so anybody who tries to portrait this as a totally clean war against another army are lying. This is an all-out war against the civilian Palestinian population in Gaza, and we can prove that with numbers. And you have to remember that the average age of the Gaza inhabitants is 17 years, it’s a very young population, and 80% are living below the poverty limit of the UN. So this is a poor and very young people, and they are able to escape absolutely nowhere, because they cannot flee like other populations can in war time, because they are fenced in and they are in a cage, so they’re bombing 1.5 million people in a cage… young people, poor people and, you know, you cannot separate between the civilians and the fighters in such a situation.”

 

 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21654.htm

136.       femmeous
2642 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:28 am

 

Quoting juliacernat

 

........"And I write the following without the slightest doubt: we´ll hear all these scandalous fabrications again. We´ll have the Hamas-to-blame lie – heaven knows, there is enough to blame them for without adding this crime – and we may well have the bodies-from-the-cemetery lie and we´ll almost certainly have the Hamas-was-in-the-UN-school lie and we will very definitely have the anti-Semitism lie. And our leaders will huff and puff and remind the world that Hamas originally broke the ceasefire. It didn´t. Israel broke it, first on 4 November when its bombardment killed six Palestinians in Gaza and again on 17 November when another bombardment killed four more Palestinians".

 

 i suggest you first have a look on this. robert fisk may write this and that, but i doubt he states facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

quite interesting.

137.       femmeous
2642 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:43 am

tami,

mr mads gilbert, a good samaritan from norway doesnt know the tactics of muslims. they hide behind civilians, they hide their weapons in the mosques, schools, and even hospitals. they dont evacuate civilians out of fire line but opposite they push them to the front line.

they train little children and young women to become martyrs. if they themselves dont protect their families and ready to offer them as targets, front line heros, victims in front page. then why do expect that enemies should care for them?

 

138.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:47 am

 

Quoting femmeous

tami,

mr mads gilbert, a good samaritan from norway doesnt know the tactics of muslims. they hide behind civilians, they hide their weapons in the mosques, schools, and even hospitals. they dont evacuate civilians out of fire line but opposite they push them to the front line.

they train little children and young women to become martyrs. if they themselves dont protect their families and ready to offer them as targets, front line heros, victims in front page. then why do expect that enemies should care for them?

 

that doesnt even deserve a response.

139.       chiko
135 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:50 am

 

Quoting femmeous

tami,

mr mads gilbert, a good samaritan from norway doesnt know the tactics of muslims. they hide behind civilians, they hide their weapons in the mosques, schools, and even hospitals. they dont evacuate civilians out of fire line but opposite they push them to the front line.

they train little children and young women to become martyrs. if they themselves dont protect their families and ready to offer them as targets, front line heros, victims in front page. then why do expect that enemies should care for them?

 

Femme,

 

i am sorry i will have to divorce you  

140.       juliacernat
424 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 11:54 am

 

Quoting femmeous

tami,

mr mads gilbert, a good samaritan from norway doesnt know the tactics of muslims. they hide behind civilians, they hide their weapons in the mosques, schools, and even hospitals. they dont evacuate civilians out of fire line but opposite they push them to the front line.

they train little children and young women to become martyrs. if they themselves dont protect their families and ready to offer them as targets, front line heros, victims in front page. then why do expect that enemies should care for them?

 

 i really think that you should apologize for this, at least as a token of respect for them:

http://www.elfarra.org/gallery/gaza.htm

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