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170.       bod
5999 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 05:45 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

it does here but...

 

Ah yes - just checked and it is blocked by our web filtering.........

It is classified as "Tasteless/Illegal/Questionable"

171.       cedars
235 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 05:55 pm

 

Quoting femmeous


 

 

i wonder why did you bring the case of forgotten palestinian christians? since when anyone was interested in them? strange enough no one paid attention when they are killed and persecuted by palestine muslims. or as tami would say its ok when muslim terrorists kill, but its not ok for israel to a self defence.

 

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is not a religeous one i.e. it is not a conflict between Jews and Muslims as Israelis want and like to show.  It is a conflict between one nation (that includes muslims and christians) that had its land confiscated and a group people who share the same religion, namely judaism, imported from all over the world.

 

May be you are not interested in christian palestinians but there are many of us who are interested in them.

 

i think a deeper dive into history wouldnt hurt you. this all bloody story started with the alleged nightmare vision journey of mohammed to jerusalem which nobody knows for sure if it really happen.

 

If you too dive more deeper into history you find also that this all bloody story started when jews decided to claim a land that is not really theirs based on a story told in the old testament. Nobody really knows that was true! 

 

They have been digging for years trying to find any ruins of king solomon´s temple and still they found nothing. May be it is in Uganda , Theodor Herzl should have accepted the british proposal afterall to establish the jewish state there. He founded the jewish state in Basle as he said himself, the only thing left was to find the land!

 

however, when theres any tragedy most of other religions show their compassion to the tragedies happening all over the world, they dont divide into our-not our thing. this is hardly an excuse to justify  the real attitude of muslims to others.

 

You are right on this one but it happens that this is human nature. we sympathize more with the ones that are close to us in a way or another.

 

and palestinian constant un-ending attacks to israel represent what? peace?

 

Well, Israel surrounds them and puts them under seige, controls their movements. they dont have the right to have an airport, or a seaport. Israel controls their water, and it even steals it from the west bank and when they retaliate we ask them to do so "peacefully"!!

 

 

what a speech! why i never hear any condemnation from any muslim when they constantly blow up their neighbours in every corner of the world, be it america, europe or asia? why dont you muslims never write such a text or show your protest when thousands of sudanese were mass murdered? or are they less valuable to you?

 

I dont agree with their methods and I condemn all kinds of violence and many of us in lebanon protested against the janjawid and the sudanese government. Human life is valuable. 

 

i have to admit you dont know what you wrote.

 

That is your opinion. However I think you jump fast into conclusions. Whenever you see someone defending the palestinian cause you think he is a muslim. If I do the same as you do,I would  say you are a jew or a mormon. But I dont

 

I am not a muslim, never been one and I dont intend to convert!

 

now this sounds like a call for a revenge. {#lang_emotions_you_crazy} yes, there will be time when stones and trees will speak "heres a jew behind me, come and kill" according to the holy book of peaceful victims of great zionist conspiracy.

 

woow...you do hate muslims and islam that much dont you?

 

yes there will come a day when the weak shall be strong and also a day when everyone understands that they need to live peacefully together because in a war no one gains everyone looses. I speak this out of experience. We had all kinds of wars in Lebanon and at the end we all lost dear ones and we all had at one time or another our homes bombed or even destroyed.

172.       femmeous
2642 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 06:49 pm

 

Quoting cedars

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is not a religeous one i.e. it is not a conflict between Jews and Muslims as Israelis want and like to show.  It is a conflict between one nation (that includes muslims and christians) that had its land confiscated and a group people who share the same religion, namely judaism, imported from all over the world.

 its not true. every muslim who fights, fights in the cause of allah. in islam a land once invaded and islamised cannot be taken away, this is how the palestine will never agree for peace and will never agree with the state of israel.

its not jews who portray so, its muslims show it, they are in religious conflict with every neighbouring nations/religions.

May be you are not interested in christian palestinians but there are many of us who are interested in them.

it has nothing to do with my interest. its just your manipulation. palestinian christians suddenly in the centre of attention. why didnt you bring up their case earlier if you were so keen on them?

 

If you too dive more deeper into history you find also that this all bloody story started when jews decided to claim a land that is not really theirs based on a story told in the old testament. Nobody really knows that was true! 

wow, im amused by your knowledge. so you deny the facts that they were murdered by romans and scattered away? pls, im not interested in pathetic fairy tales circled among muslims.

 

They have been digging for years trying to find any ruins of king solomon´s temple and still they found nothing. May be it is in Uganda , Theodor Herzl should have accepted the british proposal afterall to establish the jewish state there. He founded the jewish state in Basle as he said himself, the only thing left was to find the land!

then you should educate yourself with historical facts. the temple was ruined totally by the order of titus.

here educate yourself: a link to first temple destroyed by babylonians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon´s_Temple

 

here: a link to a second temple destroyed by romans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

 

 

You are right on this one but it happens that this is human nature. we sympathize more with the ones that are close to us in a way or another.

yes, but non-muslims are seem to be then less human according to your description.

 

Well, Israel surrounds them and puts them under seige, controls their movements. they dont have the right to have an airport, or a seaport. Israel controls their water, and it even steals it from the west bank and when they retaliate we ask them to do so "peacefully"!!

i thought it was israel that is surrounded by arabs

to have an airport to smuggle more professional terrorists including weapon from afghanistan, pakistan, iran, iraq, saudi and egypt?

 

 

I dont agree with their methods and I condemn all kinds of violence and many of us in lebanon protested against the janjawid and the sudanese government. Human life is valuable. 

well, i never heard your condemnation then, so i didnt hear any condemnation from any other muslim users when there are constant terror attacks carried out by muslims on almost everyday basis. they say they carried out more than thousands of attacks since 9/11. people even dont count terrorism before 9/11 anymore. they lost the count.

 

That is your opinion. However I think you jump fast into conclusions. Whenever you see someone defending the palestinian cause you think he is a muslim. If I do the same as you do,I would  say you are a jew or a mormon. But I dont

i really dont care what you would call me. people call me all pathetic names. it really doesnt matter. you are from lebanon, a muslim country. and even if you are atheist you will always side up with muslims just like our turkish members here who declare themselves as atheists. its just a culture based on strong religious ties.

 

I am not a muslim, never been one and I dont intend to convert!

i really dont care for this.

 

woow...you do hate muslims and islam that much dont you?

aww, you are smart, you guessed it.

i do hate their mentality and culture (most of them are not to blame, but it irritates me that they never question their religion, oh, i forgot, they are not allowed by mohammed). yes i hate islam, i never tried to hide it. theres nothing really to love in it.

 

yes there will come a day when the weak shall be strong and also a day when everyone understands that they need to live peacefully together because in a war no one gains everyone looses. I speak this out of experience. We had all kinds of wars in Lebanon and at the end we all lost dear ones and we all had at one time or another our homes bombed or even destroyed.

i cant really say what will happen in the future, im not a prophet.

i doubt if there ever be peace. not that i wish so, but looking at the history of human kind i hesitate to state so.

 

 

173.       cedars
235 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 08:06 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

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 its not true. every muslim who fights, fights in the cause of allah. in islam a land once invaded and islamised cannot be taken away, this is how the palestine will never agree for peace and will never agree with the state of israel.

its not jews who portray so, its muslims show it, they are in religious conflict with every neighbouring nations/religions.

 

I didnt know they islamize the land I thought they islamize the people!

I think if the palestinians were given a real chance to establish their sovrenty they are ready to live in peace side by side with Israel.

 

 

then you should educate yourself with historical facts. the temple was ruined totally by the order of titus.

hmm if it is a fact that it was TOTALLY destroyed as you say , then why would the Israelis  do excavations under the Al Aqsa mosque looking for ruins!!!!

Then it is true all their aim is destruction and mainly destroying the mosque!

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yes, but non-muslims are seem to be then less human according to your description

 

I cannot see how you came with this conclusion! everyone tends to sympathize with his close one whether he admits it or not.

 

i thought it was israel that is surrounded by arabs

to have an airport to smuggle more professional terrorists including weapon from afghanistan, pakistan, iran, iraq, saudi and egypt?

 

Yes indeed Israel is surrounded by arabs who are doing nothing. Not a single bullet goes from the syrian borders to Israel, nor from egyptian nor jordanians. Tourists from Israel come and go to Jordan as they please.  The only exception is Lebanese borders and that is due to the fact that Israel is still occupying a lebanese land without excuse, sheb´a farms thus giving an alibi to Hizballa to keep attacking north of Israel. If they just withdraw from our land and then judge whether there will be peace on the borders or not!!

 

So you think palestinians are better without airports and seaports and they should pass by Israeli checkpoints everyday and yet do nothing!?

 

We´re condmening them before they do anything. No wonder palestinians sided up with Hamas!! If one keeps thinking they are terrorist no matter what they say or do even of they sit down for peace negociations then they better become terrorist, just to go with their reputation at least

 

well, i never heard your condemnation then, so i didnt hear any condemnation from any other muslim users when there are constant terror attacks carried out by muslims on almost everyday basis. they say they carried out more than thousands of attacks since 9/11. people even dont count terrorism before 9/11 anymore. they lost the count.

I never heard your condemnation for Sabra and Shatila neither!

I condemn violence and I dont have to repeat it and reply to every post talking about islamists terrorists!

i really dont care what you would call me. people call me all pathetic names. it really doesnt matter. you are from lebanon, a muslim country. and even if you are atheist you will always side up with muslims just like our turkish members here who declare themselves as atheists. its just a culture based on strong religious ties.

 

Here you are completely wrong. lebanon is NOT a muslim country never was and never will be. Lebanon is 50% muslims and 50% christians with all in all 18 different religeous sects. the president is ALWAYS maronite christian and the chief of staff of the army is always maronite christian and the head of secret services is always maronite christian. It is stated in the law. The islamic law has no valor except for marriages,divorces and inheritence for muslim citizens only. How would it be a muslim country then!!

 

I am not an atheist. I belong to one of these 18 religeous sects and I dont side up with muslims.

Apparently you are not from the region so you dont know the details of the middle east.

An Israeli would never call lebanon a muslim country. You are just blindly siding up with Israel may be  based on "strong religeous ties".

 

aww, you are smart, you guessed it.

i do hate their mentality and culture (most of them are not to blame, but it irritates me that they never question their religion, oh, i forgot, they are not allowed by mohammed). yes i hate islam, i never tried to hide it. theres nothing really to love in it.

YOu dont know much about Islam. One of the basics in Islam is "doubt" and there is an islamic saying that goes like "doubt is the way to truth" (al shak howa tareeq alyaqeen)  الشك هو طريق اليقين .

May be the muslims you met never question their religion but you havent met all muslims have you!?

i cant really say what will happen in the future, im not a prophet.

i doubt if there ever be peace. not that i wish so, but looking at the history of human kind i hesitate to state so

 

I am sure there will be peace one day.  Many Israeli civilians realized this and do protest against war. I hope politicians will understand this soon. else we will be all doomed in an endless war in the region.

 

 

174.       doudi94
845 posts
 07 Jan 2009 Wed 10:07 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 me too, sorry for those children that were used as shelters. children are innocent, they were supposed to be evacuated from the war place and kept in havens. but adult palestinians didnt give even a little thought to that, because usually to the nature of culture and religion children in there have no bigger importance than the religion and its ideology.

SPEECHLESS!!!!IM COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY SPEECHLESS!!!!

U  R  SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

175.       cedars
235 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 12:34 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 me too, sorry for those children that were used as shelters. children are innocent, they were supposed to be evacuated from the war place and kept in havens. but adult palestinians didnt give even a little thought to that, because usually to the nature of culture and religion children in there have no bigger importance than the religion and its ideology.

 

Adult Israelis arent doing any better, http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/92/jorthodoxwk4.jpg

 

 

176.       teaschip
3870 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 01:08 am

Hmm, Israel withdrew 3 years ago from the Gaza strip in order to instill peace..since then Hamas has sent over 3 thousand missles into Israel within the last year targeting civilians.   Can´t really comprehend why anyone is questioning Israel´s actions...Your not suggesting they need to peacefully discuss this sitting at the kitchen table now...{#lang_emotions_wtf}just a little too late for that.

177.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 01:45 am

"The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established normally. Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children ... Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa ..."
--Nelson Mandela, March 2001

 

QUOTING ISMAIL KHATIB, FATHER OF AHMED KHATIB

"I hope we can live a peaceful life without the killing of children. My children and the Palestinian children in the camp are dreaming of a life in peace and freedom."
-- Ismail Khatib, father of Ahmed Khatib, an 11 year old boy shot in the head by an Israeli sniper, upon donating his son´s organs to save the lives of Jewish children.

178.       femmeous
2642 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 01:48 am

quoting cedars:

 

I didnt know they islamize the land I thought they islamize the people!

im pretty sure you know little about islam like many many muslims.

I think if the palestinians were given a real chance to establish their sovrenty they are ready to live in peace side by side with Israel.

i think palestinians wasted a lot chances given to them, spitting onto the kind hand. im 100%sure arabs will never let palestinians live in peace. palestinian arabs are pawns in the hand of wealthy spoiled by oil other arabs.

 

 

hmm if it is a fact that it was TOTALLY destroyed as you say , then why would the Israelis  do excavations under the Al Aqsa mosque looking for ruins!!!!

oh, because, jews are smart, they excavate everything, they have found many interesting basements underneath jerusalem. btw, i heard they did excavations near al-aqsa not under it. and why did you bring this up? has it any significanse to this topic?

Then it is true all their aim is destruction and mainly destroying the mosque!

duh, tell me what part of it was destroyed?

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I cannot see how you came with this conclusion! everyone tends to sympathize with his close one whether he admits it or not.

im singing in the rain, im singing in the rain. {#lang_emotions_rolleyes}

 

Yes indeed Israel is surrounded by arabs who are doing nothing. Not a single bullet goes from the syrian borders to Israel, nor from egyptian nor jordanians.

oh my, what happent? did they learn a lesson from the past?

Tourists from Israel come and go to Jordan as they please.  The only exception is Lebanese borders and that is due to the fact that Israel is still occupying a lebanese land without excuse, sheb´a farms thus giving an alibi to Hizballa to keep attacking north of Israel. If they just withdraw from our land and then judge whether there will be peace on the borders or not!!

you see i just had a little check

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon

Five years after gaining independence, Lebanon joined the Arab League in invading Israel within hours after its independence.[23][24]. It took over logistical support of the Arab Liberation Army after it found itself cut off from its bases in Syria while going on an attack on the newly proclaimed Jewish State.[24] The Lebanese military gained nothing during the war, and the Israeli army managed to conquer territory west of the Naphtali Mountains.[23] After the defeat of the Arab Liberation Army in Operation Hiram,[25] Lebanon accepted an armistice with Israel on 23 March 1949 and the conquered territory was returned. During the war, about 100,000 Palestinian refugees fled to Lebanon (here starts all your troubles).

 

a war with israel was a mistake and a curse. lebanon will bear the consequences for very long, i reckon.

 

So you think palestinians are better without airports and seaports and they should pass by Israeli checkpoints everyday and yet do nothing!?

of course, there are lots of suicide bombers there, young boys from poor families and young women with a damaged reputation. they must be better checked.

they anyway smuggle weapon and terrorists underground and imagine if they had open airports they would have nuclear weapon by this time. israeli checkpoints caught lots of humanitarian aid trucks full of weapon instead of sugar or flour just from europe.

 

We´re condmening them before they do anything. No wonder palestinians sided up with Hamas!! If one keeps thinking they are terrorist no matter what they say or do even of they sit down for peace negociations then they better become terrorist, just to go with their reputation at least

i personally have condemned them after what they did. as i said im not a prophet to predict the future. most of them now regret for siding up with terrorists, you sure know that or french tv is censored?

 

I never heard your condemnation for Sabra and Shatila neither!

I condemn violence and I dont have to repeat it and reply to every post talking about islamists terrorists!

im not talking about the violence happent 20 years ago. if i follow your thinking, i too didnt hear you condemning the holocaust done on jews. but i dont follow your way of thinking.

Here you are completely wrong. lebanon is NOT a muslim country never was and never will be. Lebanon is 50% muslims and 50% christians with all in all 18 different religeous sects. the president is ALWAYS maronite christian and the chief of staff of the army is always maronite christian and the head of secret services is always maronite christian. It is stated in the law. The islamic law has no valor except for marriages,divorces and inheritence for muslim citizens only. How would it be a muslim country then!!

ooooo, i dont agree with you. this description belongs to lebanon of 40-50 years ago.

listen to this brave lady, she doesnt hide like you and doesnt hide her identity.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-8fa9yKQeTY

 

I am not an atheist. I belong to one of these 18 religeous sects and I dont side up with muslims.

you can keep your identity to yourself, you act like alameda. your secret doesnt attract me. what to be guessed? you are either druze or maronite. but do i care? we are anyway very different.

Apparently you are not from the region so you dont know the details of the middle east.

An Israeli would never call lebanon a muslim country. You are just blindly siding up with Israel may be  based on "strong religeous ties".

apparently you are an expert of middle east and "jews" lol keep your mysterious details to yourself

an israeli can call lebanon whatever, not my business.

im siding up with a common sense. or maybe vai vai i may have jewish roots thats why i feel religious ties? i dont have enough money to do the genetic tests lol

 

YOu dont know much about Islam. One of the basics in Islam is "doubt" and there is an islamic saying that goes like "doubt is the way to truth" (al shak howa tareeq alyaqeen)  الشك هو طريق اليقين

where did you take this from?

i took this from an islamic site

http://www.islamherald.com/asp/explore/iman/shahada/prerequisites_of_the_declaration2.asp

"They alone seek leave of thee (not to participate in jihad) who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and whose hearts feel doubt, so in their doubt they waver" (Qur´an, al-Tauba 45).

Many scholars have stated that the diseases of the heart, or the doubt and suspicions that one allows into one´s heart, are more dangerous for a person´s faith than lusts and desires. This is because lusts and desires may be satisfied at some time yet the person still knows them to be wrong and he may control himself and repent and give up that evil deed. On the other hand, the doubts and suspicions may linger in the heart, with no cure, until the person finally leaves Islam entirely or continues to practice Islam while, in fact, in his heart he does not have the true faith.

basically, muslims are not allowed to question and doubt about allah.

 

May be the muslims you met never question their religion but you havent met all muslims have you!?

it seems you have met them all? all millions of them lol dont argue with me, i will trap you with your own words.

 

 

I am sure there will be peace one day.  Many Israeli civilians realized this and do protest against war. I hope politicians will understand this soon. else we will be all doomed in an endless war in the region.

here, i again have to side with a common sense. many israeli civilians? apparently again you have met many israelis? lol those who protest against every action of israel are the orthodox jews.

well, lets say that politicians understood something, how would they end this conflict?

you should finally open your eyes: theres no solution to this conflict.

179.       femmeous
2642 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 01:49 am

 

Quoting doudi94

SPEECHLESS!!!!IM COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY SPEECHLESS!!!!

U  R  SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 miss, when did they release you from the circus?

180.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Jan 2009 Thu 01:50 am

 

Quoting teaschip

Hmm, Israel withdrew 3 years ago from the Gaza strip in order to instill peace..since then Hamas has sent over 3 thousand missles into Israel within the last year targeting civilians.   Can´t really comprehend why anyone is questioning Israel´s actions...Your not suggesting they need to peacefully discuss this sitting at the kitchen table now...{#lang_emotions_wtf}just a little too late for that.

 

Are you saying that your conscience is clear about Israel going in and killing 700 people (including many civilians, many childeren)?

you are saying that you do NOT show any remorse when you see blown up childeren´s pictures?

you are not sorry even a little?

So it is alright for you they kill 700 in 10 days for missles which killed only handful of israelies during 3 years (I dont know exactly how many Israelies got killed because of that)?

 

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