I can imagine one of the tamikidakikas of Armenia writing in somewhere and giving the links to pictures of armenians killed by Turks and saying "this is a link to pictures of Armenian victims of genocide carried out by muslim Turks in 1915" (like tami does the opposite in TC) .

Or one of the armegons of Armenia, posting something ´so called Intellectuals of Armenia´ and trying to belitteling of those who initiated above campain. And accusing them working for Soros..

Or one of the Si++s of Armenia tries to give exaggerated/wrong numbers about the incident of 1915-1916 and calling those intellects as "traiters"..

Anyway, personally, I think those Armenian intellects have been working on ´their personal apology´ for sometimes. 

I welcome and applaud their campain..

 How about muslims killed by Armenians? I have never seen you talk about it. Do you have any idea of it? or do you know such a thing at all? McCarty gives 2,5 million muslims were killed between 1914-1918.

Come on man..Almost every family lost some members during that period including mine.

The number of muslims killed wont change what went on between 1915-1916 for Armenians..

will it?

Many accepted their names appeared in that list without their knowledge. Yusuf Halaçoglu said even his name was also included in the list, go figure. And even some of those who supported that initiative accepted that they wouldn´t apologise for it but only be sorry for them (Armenians). I watched Dogu Ergil admitting it on TV

You know it, I know it..

Adding some well known names such as a state paid scholar Yusuf Halaçoglu is just a work of racist thugs..

The intellectects initiated the campain in Turkey are the guys whose lives have been threatened every single day.

They would not add Yusuf Halaçoglu.

Why should they? 

 I have no idea what your point is. ...Once again, what was the correct numbers according to you. ..

My point is quite clear actually ..

Anyway I remember giving something in the past in the thread you and armegon got it locked with your personal insults (bear in mind that I did not have time to reply..so do not push it this time)

 ..http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_33771_18 check it there..(and in previous page your copy and paste document indicates the number around 400.000 )...

Basically you put something up there but it was proved to be NOT right..

(Murat Bardakci who published talat pasha´s memoirs also explained where your 400.000 number came from..It is from the army which excluded some of the values..and you believed those values as if your life depended on them all these  years. So my sympathy goes to your dissapointment )

Yeah but you always talk about Armenians killed by Turks. Muslims were also killed by Armenians right. Weren´t they living in peace for centuries? Then what happened? What did Armenians start to kill muslims? Can you explain it? What were the reasons for it?

I think I explained it somewhere in the forums about ´why/how etc´ and I pointed my finger at raising ´nationalism´ at the time.. 

What do you mean how can his name be added? Do you mean the site was hacked?

Come on.. I assume you have some knowledge of how websites forms work..

I can register myself as ´brat pitt´ in tc for example..

I dont think they were performing any authantication for an online campain. How can they?

Go re-read it. That number is number of deported not killed? Even Bardakçi admits that nobody can know the exact number of killeds. 400000 or 900000 who cares. That´s just number of deported people.

I think it is quite important that the number has changed ( from a few angle):

- the army who published that number and we now know that it was not telling the truth!!!

- the people who always argued as ´look this is the number -400.000- how can it be 600.000 -or whatever- death Armenians?,  will not be easily arguing by knowing that fact that the number of deporties were app.1 million.

- people will know question why ´we have been lied about the numbers all those years´ (and what else have been lied about? kurds for example? )

- And from your angle, you have believed in LIES which I repeatedly pointed out for you guys. (so next time, in another topic, please do read some other sources before believing wholeheartedly "what state paid people" are telling you to believe)

That´s it? As simple as that? You mean Armenian nationalism? Because they started first, right? 

That is true..Turkish nationalism came a bit  later than greek or armenians or other nations´ nationalisms in Ottomani empire.

It should be discussed  in another topic actually. I was trying to make it simple for you..

You can only increase counter by one by registering. I didn´t see the names of registered users. I only saw a list of Turkish scholars there. So who can add it?

well. as far as I know, anybody typing a name/surname etc and then hit submit button would register a name in the beginning..no?

And I think the front page which shows the list of scholars has not changed much since the beginning..

But anyway, if you want to believe the people who initiated the campain such as Prof. Baskin Oran and his friends sitting there and adding the well known state paid scholar names such as Halacoglu, I mean if beleiving that makes you feel better, please do!!!

Only western sources can tell the truth by your rationale? That´s fucking bullshit. So what do you think is the number of killed people? What are your sources?

Now you are losing your cool..you are swearing!!!

Where did I say only western source or what are the western sources I mentioned?..you even dont know your own country and its sources!!

Oooo come on ya. ..This is getting boring now..

I can give you some names such as Halil Berktay, Murat Belge, Baskin Oran (even Murat Bardakci -What he says that ´if we did not do it, they would do it to us´ )etc...

But I wont give you a list..

And in order to finish this argument I will say that:

My source is "Oracle"..OK?

Your list tells it all. They are not even historians (except Berkay maybe and I don´t think he´s credible either). Of hakikaten ya this is fucking bullshit!

I think its better to have knowledge about this reciprocal useless apology campaigns beforehand having opinions. Let me remind Armenians campaign will be started by an Australian Armenian, so i think it is important to know why he started such a campaign and what he aims by this. It is not surprising that Zaman hadnt mentioned this, because imo Zaman´s aim to just deceive people by saying "Armenians are apologizing too" so that AKP will continue its slave politics more freely. Lets look what this Australian Armenian says; first he clearly says he was afftected by the campaign started by so-called Turkish intellectuels and he was still thinking that Turks were apologizing for the alleged genocide, and its funny how he degraded the Armenian attacks in WW1, he says "Of course these crimes cannot be compared with the crime of annihilating a whole nation, but these are still crimes.". He mentions Turks sooner or later will accept this genocide. I have to say that this man not living in Armenia and may be the most moderate one but he is still insisting that turks genocided Armenians which is clearly not acceptable for Turkey.

Now lets see the big picture, everybody knows world having an economic crisis recentlyi and for sure Armenia´s economy is not good and they want Turkey to open Turkey-Armenia border. So lately Armenia tries to develop a relationship with Turkey by not losing anything and i guess AKP accepted their demands. But AKP needs to explain this to Turkish nation and these campaigns help AKP to direct their slavery politics. I think again a theatre is being performed and aim is as i mentioned to open Turkey-Armenia border in order to save Armenia and the cover of explaining this to Turkey is "Look, Armenians are also apologizing!". And its groundwork is being prepared by both Turkish and Armenian authorities. Armenia will reach its aim and again Turkey gains nothing, very usual for AKP politics.

By the way if Armenians are so sincere, why do they not retreat from Karabagh according to UN decisions? then for sure Turkey will open the border gates.

Lastly why none of these intellectuels point out the games of imperialists during WW1 which made this two nation bloody enemy? Anyway by my side one of the best thing had done by the state of Ottoman, deportation is one of the solution while they were active in WW1 and being killed inside by Armenians except there were some problems in the implementation of deportation.

 Si, please modify your post and refrain from using those words in the forums, thank you.

Ha ha

what did I say in my first post?

Armenian academic retracts apology campaign over fierce reactions
...
Dr. Armen Gavakian from the Macquarie University in Sydney, inspired by a Turkish initiative, decided last month to launch a campaign to apologize to Turks for murders committed by the Asala organization in the 1980s.    

Gakavian, however, retracted the campaign over fierce criticism from Armenian diaspora, Hurriyet wrote.

Prof. Baskin Oran, one of the intellectuals who initiated the Turkish apology campaign, wrote in Agos daily that they were also exposed to similar reactions from his fellow citizens.

"His (campaign) resembled ours. Attacks from the Workshop for Armenian/Turkish Scholarship (WATS) started immediately... They asked whether the Turks made him write this," he wrote.
..

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/10960881.asp?scr=1

Tamis, si++s,armegons of Armenia seem won in Armenia!!

(this is also an indication that our democracy is in much better shape than Armenia)

Booooorrrriiiiiinnnnnggggg......

We are tired of topics related to this or that about the Amenian claims.....

Everything has already been posted discussed, argued over, and closed by moderators...

You are right, and he is right, and I am right, and it is this or that and the numers are blah blah blah or etc. This shit is old news dude. Stop charging it up as if it is of some importance in the world news. It is a political tool. Nothing else.

 Agreed

you better tell this to your country`s beloved politicians.

Ok, sice you kindly asked... I certainly will. Is there anything else you would like me to tell them about?

Like how constipated you feel about all this...?

I will let my country´s "beloved´ politicians know that there are ´beloved´ little venom spewing insects running around on TLC in need of pesticide.