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20.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:12 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

I think it is more the foreigners who seem to have a preoccupation with Turkishness.

 

The word Turkishness is not really part of my vocab as a Turk. I don´t know about other Turks though. As far as I am concerned, Turkishness is a bogus mosnomer which doesn´t mean jack...

 

Does Americanness or Britness mean anything?

 

Should people be taken to courth for being un-Turkish or not fulfilling their share of this so-called Turkishness?

 

I think not.

 

 

 

 I was thinking more regarding the discussions here on TC and men as opposed to women.

 

As for being taken to court, how can anyone measure Turkishness?  I would say it can´t be measured, in which case taking someone to court would seem inappropriate. 

 

I presume the court cases result because of breach of article 301.  From what I read, it was introduced in 2005.  Was there anything in place before then? 

 

I can´t see how breaching article 301 makes a Turk  "un-Turkish", there are so many facets to a person´s culture and national identity. 

 

Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .

21.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well it seems like, they are obsessed with my Turkishness here. lol

It has always been a common thing  between Turks to accuse others being less Turk..

Specially the ones, I mentioned in an earlier post.. I mean racists, fascists..

 

 

 But doesn´t it depend on what it means to be Turkish?  Everyone will have a different take on that.  Is it meant politically or culturally? Or are the two intertwined in some way?



Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain [added anothe question]

22.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:14 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

 

 

 

 

Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .

 

 That would be very un-Turkish, peacetrain!  Somebody would have to admit it was a bad idea!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

23.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:18 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

 That would be very un-Turkish, peacetrain!  Somebody would have to admit it was a bad idea!{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

 A real man would repeal!! 

24.       Trudy
7887 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:21 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

I actually don´t understand what you mean by this. You will one day. 

 

What I am saying is that I don´t particularly care whether you find my tone arrogant or lecturing. Then you don´t mind that I tell it to you everytime. If you care to read my past posts and replies to others, you would notice that I do put the effort to provide content and the evidence to support my arguments. Arguements? Oh, your biased ideas of how ´it should be´. Yeah....

 

From time to time, I do take excursions into crudity like anyone else on this forum. what´s your point? Crudity? Hell no, it´s just funny to read.

 

 

 

 

25.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:24 pm

I think there is a mixture of posters on this forum. There are Turkish men, who seem to take a nationalistic/pseudo-patriotic attitude and bark back at anyone who dares to criticize Turkey and its policies. There are foreigners posing as Turks with dumb nicks posting crap with charged words and titles. And there are others who take a more partial and moderate tones when they reply. I don´t think there are too many Turkish females posting on this forum.

 

I was borne in Turkey and lived there until the age of 13. The concept of Turkishness does not mean much to me. If asked, I would say that I am Turkish. That is all. It is very likely that this so-called Turkishness and the legislation pertaining to it will be revoked. And, if it doesn´t, it will surely lead to much injustice perpetrated by those who will use it to abuse others in the name of Turkishness. It is a pointless concept that managed to find its way into the legal system

Quoting peacetrain

 

 

 I was thinking more regarding the discussions here on TC and men as opposed to women.

 

As for being taken to court, how can anyone measure Turkishness?  I would say it can´t be measured, in which case taking someone to court would seem inappropriate. 

 

I presume the court cases result because of breach of article 301.  From what I read, it was introduced in 2005.  Was there anything in place before then? 

 

I can´t see how breaching article 301 makes a Turk  "un-Turkish", there are so many facets to a person´s culture and national identity. 

 

Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .

 

 

26.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:25 pm

No, I don´t mind at all. It is amusing at best.

 

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 

 

 

27.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:26 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 Arguements? Oh, your biased ideas of how ´it should be´.

 

 

 I would say that the word argument would naturally involve bias.  Most members here have their own biased viewpoint on issues that they feel strongly about.



Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain [Hesitated to mention the clog debate]

28.       Melek74
1506 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:27 pm

Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?

 

And Cynic, wasn´t it you that gave me a lecture not too long ago about not posting venom? Had a change of heart? {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 

29.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:29 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

I think there is a mixture of posters on this forum. There are Turkish men, who seem to take a nationalistic/pseudo-patriotic attitude and bark back at anyone who dares to criticize Turkey and its policies. There are foreigners posing as Turks with dumb nicks posting crap with charged words and titles. And there are others who take a more partial and moderate tones when they reply. I don´t think there are too many Turkish females posting on this forum.

 

I was borne in Turkey and lived there until the age of 13. The concept of Turkishness does not mean much to me. If asked, I would say that I am Turkish. That is all. It is very likely that this so-called Turkishness and the legislation pertaining to it will be revoked. And, if it doesn´t, it will surely lead to much injustice perpetrated by those who will use it to abuse others in the name of Turkishness. It is a pointless concept that managed to find its way into the legal system

 

 

 

Well

I knew I was right when I was saying ´you dont know your country-I mean Turkey-, your people -I mean Turks- and what is going on there´..

 

30.       Trudy
7887 posts
 19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:30 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?

 

 

 Like men always measure......

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