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Protecting "Turkishness" Continues
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 02:36 pm |
Protecting Turkishness continues |
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ANKARA - The Justice Ministry has rejected 403 applications for investigations into remarks perceived as insulting "Turkishness" since May 8, 2008. It accepted 70 applications and 113 are still being considered, the justice minister said Friday.
In response to Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, deputy Erkan Ekçay’s parliamentary question, Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Þahin said since May 8 last year when the ministry was given authority to approve or reject cases linked to Article 301 of the penal code, courts have suspended 301 trials, forwarding them to the ministry for reassessment. "That is why there are so many applications," he said, according to the Anatolia news agency."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11009377.asp?scr=1
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When asked to confirm that thehandsom was on the list, Ekcay would not confirm or deny saying "I will not comment on individual cases". He did, however, add that Tami was to receive a special medal for his services above and beyond the call duty for defending Turkishness
Edited (2/16/2009) by TheAenigma
[Added Juice]
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 02:39 pm |
Protecting Turkishness continues |
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ANKARA - The Justice Ministry has rejected 403 applications for investigations into remarks perceived as insulting "Turkishness" since May 8, 2008. It accepted 70 applications and 113 are still being considered, the justice minister said Friday.
In response to Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, deputy Erkan Ekçay’s parliamentary question, Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Þahin said since May 8 last year when the ministry was given authority to approve or reject cases linked to Article 301 of the penal code, courts have suspended 301 trials, forwarding them to the ministry for reassessment. "That is why there are so many applications," he said, according to the Anatolia news agency."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11009377.asp?scr=1
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When asked to confirm that thehandsom was on the list, Ekcay would not confirm or deny saying "I will not comment on individual cases". He did, however, add that Tami was to receive a special medal for his services above and beyond the call duty for defending Turkishness
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 03:16 pm |
When asked to confirm that thehandsom was on the list, Ekcay would not confirm or deny saying "I will not comment on individual cases". He did, however, add that Tami was to receive a special medal for his services above and beyond the call duty for defending Turkishness
Edited (2/16/2009) by tamikidakika
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 04:10 pm |
Protecting Turkishness continues |
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ANKARA - The Justice Ministry has rejected 403 applications for investigations into remarks perceived as insulting "Turkishness" since May 8, 2008. It accepted 70 applications and 113 are still being considered, the justice minister said Friday.
In response to Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, deputy Erkan Ekçay’s parliamentary question, Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Þahin said since May 8 last year when the ministry was given authority to approve or reject cases linked to Article 301 of the penal code, courts have suspended 301 trials, forwarding them to the ministry for reassessment. "That is why there are so many applications," he said, according to the Anatolia news agency."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11009377.asp?scr=1
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When asked to confirm that thehandsom was on the list, Ekcay would not confirm or deny saying "I will not comment on individual cases". He did, however, add that Tami was to receive a special medal for his services above and beyond the call duty for defending Turkishness
He he
It will be the same court which tried Orhan Pamuk, Hrant Dink, Yasar kemal etc.
I will consider it an honour if I am in the list..
Edited (2/16/2009) by thehandsom
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17 Feb 2009 Tue 04:37 pm |
Protecting Turkishness continues |
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ANKARA - The Justice Ministry has rejected 403 applications for investigations into remarks perceived as insulting "Turkishness" since May 8, 2008. It accepted 70 applications and 113 are still being considered, the justice minister said Friday.
In response to Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, deputy Erkan Ekçay’s parliamentary question, Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Þahin said since May 8 last year when the ministry was given authority to approve or reject cases linked to Article 301 of the penal code, courts have suspended 301 trials, forwarding them to the ministry for reassessment. "That is why there are so many applications," he said, according to the Anatolia news agency."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11009377.asp?scr=1
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When asked to confirm that thehandsom was on the list, Ekcay would not confirm or deny saying "I will not comment on individual cases". He did, however, add that Tami was to receive a special medal for his services above and beyond the call duty for defending Turkishness
Let it be known that thehandsom´s Turkishness has already been revoked!
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17 Feb 2009 Tue 04:48 pm |
Let it be known that thehandsom´s Turkishness has already been revoked!
Lis.... Stop spreading lies.. OK?
I demand above post to be deleted..
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17 Feb 2009 Tue 04:56 pm |
Lis.... Stop spreading lies.. OK?
I demand above post to be deleted..
Handsom, I do not lie. We have ample evidence that proves you have been insulting your own Turkishness and I have copies of documents that order your Turkishness be removed forcibly if you don´t surrender it willingly. Tami and his henchmen will be around shortly to see to it!
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 06:30 pm |
Well, being so handsome, I am sure the one and only thehandsom will charm the judges at the tribunal anyways... He will give new meanings to Turkishness & Handsomness with a vast collection of evidential newspaper articles from Zaman and other paper-sources. He will stand his ground. he will stomp his feet. He will smile at the face of injustice. He will prevail.
So, no worries handsom, your Turkishness is still as intact as a virgin´s hymen.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:12 pm |
Well, being so handsome, I am sure the one and only thehandsom will charm the judges at the tribunal anyways... He will give new meanings to Turkishness & Handsomness with a vast collection of evidential newspaper articles from Zaman and other paper-sources. He will stand his ground. he will stomp his feet. He will smile at the face of injustice. He will prevail.
So, no worries handsom, your Turkishness is still as intact as a virgin´s hymen.
So you have decided (again ) to stage a personal attack, rather than talking about the subjects I post..Eh?
First of all, I am not worried a tiny bit about my Turkishness..
Well you and people like you who grew up with the rhetorics such as ´One Turk equals to the world´ and believed in it by heart, would have different understanding of Turkishness than I do and that does not surprise me at all..
And about people and their Turkishness..
Well..What can I say..
Lets put it this way:
People kill Hrant Dink, they claim they are ´real Turks´
People kill Ugur Mumcu, they claim they are ´real Turks´
People take kurds from their homes and put a bullet into their necks, they claim they are ´real Turks´..
People take kids to the courts they claim they are ´real Turks´
All People in Ergenekon case, they all are saying that they are ´real Turks´..
All People in JITEM, they claim that they are ´real Turks´..
All people who try to stop talking about Armenian issues which is our important part of history, claim to be ´real Turks´
Above are the subjects mostly I post about. But somehow, instead of getting answers or comments, people like you, start going personal..
Your Turkishness goes hand in hand with their Turkishness. And people like you are quite happy with that fact..
You do NOT open your mouth for above subjects and you critisize my Turkishness?
Your Turkishness as ´precious´ as the people´s who claim to be ´real Turks´ and my Turkishness is Not the same.
AND I am proud of it.
The only stomping here is done (and will be done in the future as it seems) by you guys. Because you are unable to come up with ideas (because you do not know your history, your people, your own country and what is going on there)
As a last word, if you keep bringing your Turkishness into the subject, you will force me to play with it like I would play with a football..
I promise you: the virginity of what you believe will not be intact at all once I am done..
Edited (2/19/2009) by thehandsom
[adding more stuff]
Edited (2/19/2009) by thehandsom
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:19 pm |
Me and people like me who grew up with the rhetoric etc...?
As usual, you are talking straight out of your ass my angry friend.
You don´t know a thing about me, where I grew up, or how I was raised under what rhetorics.
There is no personal attack here. Just my personal sentiments about what an authentic clown you are.
Now go on. Rant a little more. Amuse us further.
So you have decided (again ) to stage a personal attack, rather than talking about the subjects I post..Eh?
First of all, I am not worried a tiny bit about my Turkishness..
Well you and people like you who grew up with the rhetorics such as ´One Turk equals to the world´ and believed in it by heart, would have different understanding of Turkishness than I do and that does not surprise me at all..
And about people and their Turkishness..
Well..What can I say..
Lets put it this way:
People kill Hrant Dink, they claim they are ´real Turks´
People kill Ugur Mumcu, they claim they are ´real Turks´
People take kurds from their homes and put a bullet into their necks, they claim they are ´real Turks´..
People take kids to the courts they claim they are ´real Turks´
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:21 pm |
He does. You don´t.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:26 pm |
What makes you think I am trying to amuse?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:41 pm |
I wonder, is it just Turkish men that have a preoccupation with Turkishness?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:45 pm |
I think it is more the foreigners who seem to have a preoccupation with Turkishness.
The word Turkishness is not really part of my vocab as a Turk. I don´t know about other Turks though. As far as I am concerned, Turkishness is a bogus mosnomer which doesn´t mean jack...
Does Americanness or Britness mean anything?
Should people be taken to courth for being un-Turkish or not fulfilling their share of this so-called Turkishness?
I think not.
I wonder, is it just Turkish men that have a preoccupation with Turkishness?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:52 pm |
What makes you think I am trying to amuse?
Nothing, especially not your lecturing posts.....
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 09:55 pm |
I wonder, is it just Turkish men that have a preoccupation with Turkishness?
Well it seems like, they are obsessed with my Turkishness here.
It has always been a common thing between Turks to accuse others being less Turk..
Specially the ones, I mentioned in an earlier post.. I mean racists, fascists..
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:01 pm |
Feel free not to read them.
Whether lecturing or not, there is at least some content to my posts. Regarding those other posts made by certain individuals on a regular basis, where there is a lack of content, but a multitude of venom-spewing, I surely do lecture whether anyone likes it or not.
Nothing, especially not your lecturing posts.....
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:08 pm |
Feel free not to read them.
Whether lecturing or not, there is at least some content to my posts. Regarding those other posts made by certain individuals on a regular basis, where there is a lack of content, but a multitude of venom-spewing, I surely do lecture whether anyone likes it or not.
If I say what else has content too, I get warned for insulting but I´m sure your imagination is good enough to think of some yourself.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:12 pm |
I actually don´t understand what you mean by this.
What I am saying is that I don´t particularly care whether you find my tone arrogant or lecturing. If you care to read my past posts and replies to others, you would notice that I do put the effort to provide content and the evidence to support my arguments.
From time to time, I do take excursions into crudity like anyone else on this forum. what´s your point?
If I say what else has content too, I get warned for insulting but I´m sure your imagination is good enough to think of some yourself.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:12 pm |
I think it is more the foreigners who seem to have a preoccupation with Turkishness.
The word Turkishness is not really part of my vocab as a Turk. I don´t know about other Turks though. As far as I am concerned, Turkishness is a bogus mosnomer which doesn´t mean jack...
Does Americanness or Britness mean anything?
Should people be taken to courth for being un-Turkish or not fulfilling their share of this so-called Turkishness?
I think not.
I was thinking more regarding the discussions here on TC and men as opposed to women.
As for being taken to court, how can anyone measure Turkishness? I would say it can´t be measured, in which case taking someone to court would seem inappropriate.
I presume the court cases result because of breach of article 301. From what I read, it was introduced in 2005. Was there anything in place before then?
I can´t see how breaching article 301 makes a Turk "un-Turkish", there are so many facets to a person´s culture and national identity.
Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:14 pm |
Well it seems like, they are obsessed with my Turkishness here.
It has always been a common thing between Turks to accuse others being less Turk..
Specially the ones, I mentioned in an earlier post.. I mean racists, fascists..
But doesn´t it depend on what it means to be Turkish? Everyone will have a different take on that. Is it meant politically or culturally? Or are the two intertwined in some way?
Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:14 pm |
Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .
That would be very un-Turkish, peacetrain! Somebody would have to admit it was a bad idea!
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:18 pm |
That would be very un-Turkish, peacetrain! Somebody would have to admit it was a bad idea!
A real man would repeal!!
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:21 pm |
I actually don´t understand what you mean by this. You will one day.
What I am saying is that I don´t particularly care whether you find my tone arrogant or lecturing. Then you don´t mind that I tell it to you everytime. If you care to read my past posts and replies to others, you would notice that I do put the effort to provide content and the evidence to support my arguments. Arguements? Oh, your biased ideas of how ´it should be´. Yeah....
From time to time, I do take excursions into crudity like anyone else on this forum. what´s your point? Crudity? Hell no, it´s just funny to read.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:24 pm |
I think there is a mixture of posters on this forum. There are Turkish men, who seem to take a nationalistic/pseudo-patriotic attitude and bark back at anyone who dares to criticize Turkey and its policies. There are foreigners posing as Turks with dumb nicks posting crap with charged words and titles. And there are others who take a more partial and moderate tones when they reply. I don´t think there are too many Turkish females posting on this forum.
I was borne in Turkey and lived there until the age of 13. The concept of Turkishness does not mean much to me. If asked, I would say that I am Turkish. That is all. It is very likely that this so-called Turkishness and the legislation pertaining to it will be revoked. And, if it doesn´t, it will surely lead to much injustice perpetrated by those who will use it to abuse others in the name of Turkishness. It is a pointless concept that managed to find its way into the legal system
I was thinking more regarding the discussions here on TC and men as opposed to women.
As for being taken to court, how can anyone measure Turkishness? I would say it can´t be measured, in which case taking someone to court would seem inappropriate.
I presume the court cases result because of breach of article 301. From what I read, it was introduced in 2005. Was there anything in place before then?
I can´t see how breaching article 301 makes a Turk "un-Turkish", there are so many facets to a person´s culture and national identity.
Hmm. . . I wonder what would happen if 301 was repealed . . .
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:25 pm |
No, I don´t mind at all. It is amusing at best.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:26 pm |
Arguements? Oh, your biased ideas of how ´it should be´.
I would say that the word argument would naturally involve bias. Most members here have their own biased viewpoint on issues that they feel strongly about.
Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain
[Hesitated to mention the clog debate]
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:27 pm |
Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?
And Cynic, wasn´t it you that gave me a lecture not too long ago about not posting venom? Had a change of heart?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:29 pm |
I think there is a mixture of posters on this forum. There are Turkish men, who seem to take a nationalistic/pseudo-patriotic attitude and bark back at anyone who dares to criticize Turkey and its policies. There are foreigners posing as Turks with dumb nicks posting crap with charged words and titles. And there are others who take a more partial and moderate tones when they reply. I don´t think there are too many Turkish females posting on this forum.
I was borne in Turkey and lived there until the age of 13. The concept of Turkishness does not mean much to me. If asked, I would say that I am Turkish. That is all. It is very likely that this so-called Turkishness and the legislation pertaining to it will be revoked. And, if it doesn´t, it will surely lead to much injustice perpetrated by those who will use it to abuse others in the name of Turkishness. It is a pointless concept that managed to find its way into the legal system
Well
I knew I was right when I was saying ´you dont know your country-I mean Turkey-, your people -I mean Turks- and what is going on there´..
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:30 pm |
Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?
Like men always measure......
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:32 pm |
Well
I knew I was right when I was saying ´you dont know your country-I mean Turkey-, your people -I mean Turks- and what is going on there´..
Are you the foreigner posing as a Turk with a dumb nick? I don´t have any problem believing you are a Turk . Nationalist, racist or not it seems to me that the Turkish men on this site have one thing in common (I won´t say what ).
Edited (2/19/2009) by peacetrain
[not telling]
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:33 pm |
You are always right dude.
You know so much about what we know or do not know.
Enlighten us with your wisdom. As usual, your wisdom is shining like the star of Bethlehem.
Well
I knew I was right when I was saying ´you dont know your country-I mean Turkey-, your people -I mean Turks- and what is going on there´..
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:33 pm |
Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?
Like men always measure......
and as Freud would say ... the bigger the mouth the smaller the ... Turkishness
Edited (2/19/2009) by Melek74
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:35 pm |
And I guess like women always gossip & giggle with their girlfriends about size matters...
Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?
Like men always measure......
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:36 pm |
and as Freud would say ... the bigger the mouth the smaller the ... Turkishness
Does that come in inches/centimetres as well?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:36 pm |
and as Freud would say ... the bigger the mouth the smaller the ... Turkishness
What are you saying Melek....do we need to get the microscope?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:38 pm |
What are you saying Melek....do we need to get the microscope?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:39 pm |
Why don´t you measure it for us with your delicate hands?
And, yes, I was lecturing you about spewing venom, too.
That was before I discovered the delicate nature of your hands and the sweetness of your words. I take it all back. You are not a venom-spewer.
Why don´t you guys measure your Turkishness with a ruler?
And Cynic, wasn´t it you that gave me a lecture not too long ago about not posting venom? Had a change of heart?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:41 pm |
You may need some tweezers with that microscope as well.
What are you saying Melek....do we need to get the microscope?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:42 pm |
It comes in mini-meters.
It is a grower though, I promise.
Does that come in inches/centimetres as well?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:46 pm |
It comes in mini-meters.
It is a grower though, I promise.
I see that not only paranoia but delusional thinking is a part of Turkishness
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:48 pm |
I see that not only paranoia but delusional thinking is a part of Turkishness
Ever heard of the phrase "all mouth and no trousers" ?
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:48 pm |
Wait a second here...
Didn´t you already know that us Turkish men consider ourselves being God´s gift to women?
What do you think we mean by Turkishness.
There would be no size queens had there been no Turkish men around.
I see that not only paranoia but delusional thinking is a part of Turkishness
Edited (2/19/2009) by cynicmystic
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:50 pm |
Wait a second here...
Didn´t you already know that us Turkish men consider ourselves being God´s gift to women?
What do you think we mean by Turkishness.
There would be no size queens had there been no Turkish men around.
Yeah, you have a big ego on you my friend. Too bad it´s only the ego that´s big
Freud would have a field day with you.
(here´s one of my "dumbo" smiles that you so love, just for you)
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:51 pm |
OK I am giving myself a lesson, so now I will go and research 159.
I read that 301 was introduced in 2005 as part of reforms so that Turkey´s inclusion into the EU could be considered. Seems odd to me.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:53 pm |
Oh no, I wish I made the cut.
I was referring to the real Turkish men, who meet the criteria of true Turkishness...
Yeah, you have a big ego on you my friend. Too bad it´s only the ego that´s big
Freud would have a field day with you.
(here´s one of my "dumbo" smiles that you so love, just for you)
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:54 pm |
Yeah, you have a big ego on you my friend. Too bad it´s only the ego that´s big
Freud would have a field day with you.
(here´s one of my "dumbo" smiles that you so love, just for you)
A day? A year probably.....
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:55 pm |
Well, a day or not, he would surely have to bring his own tweezers and microscope haha
A day? A year probably.....
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 10:58 pm |
Well, a day or not, he would surely have to bring his own tweezers and microscope haha
Yep, can´t see it with the naked (no pun intended) eye.
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 11:03 pm |
You are so right about not being able to see it with the naked eye.
The other day, I was having a session only to find out that I had been tossing a pimple by accident. No more sessions for me without my atomic-microscope.
Yep, can´t see it with the naked (no pun intended) eye.
Edited (2/19/2009) by cynicmystic
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19 Feb 2009 Thu 11:13 pm |
You are so right about not being able to see it with the naked eye.
The other day, I was having a session only to find out that I had been tossing a pimple by accident. No more sessions for me without my atomic-microscope.
I´m so glad we agree on something.
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