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German tourist killed on Taksim Istiklal street
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40.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:56 am

 

Quoting lady in red

Have you any idea what it´s like in London or Manchester (or any other large British city) these days? And my Britishness won´t be insulted if anyone else points this out.

 

And it´s surely easy to get stabbed in Belfast if you´re Polish (3 Polish people stabbed in the last 4 weeks)

41.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:12 am

 

Quoting lady in red

Have you any idea what it´s like in London or Manchester (or any other large British city) these days? And my Britishness won´t be insulted if anyone else points this out.

 

Yet you did a janissary



Edited (7/22/2009) by Deli_kizin

42.       lady in red
6947 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:14 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

Yet you did a janissary

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!  

43.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:54 am

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 

 

Yet you did a janissary

 

Can we, please change that idiom? I would not feel very comfortable knowing I did a janissary ScaredI mean, I´d never do him lol

44.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:56 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Can we, please change that idiom? I would not feel very comfortable knowing I did a janissary ScaredI mean, I´d never do him lol

 

 Yeah, I told LIR to keep it at this one time and not to do a whole garrison lol



Edited (7/22/2009) by Deli_kizin

45.       Suyu
78 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:44 am

 

Quoting zbrct

 you guys  will not understand the point of my post untill you or one of your loved ones attacked, wounded or killed by those monsters. but it will be too late. I know you are annoyed by this post and you want to live as if this incident did not happen. infact you do that...(sorry if your turkishness is insulted)

 

 

 

You wont save everyone. Someone will be back from Istanbul to theirown country and will be stabbed in theirown city center. If you are destined to die nothing will save you. Or you will be at home and some earthquake will start and the ceilings will fall on you and you will be killed.

46.       Suyu
78 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:46 am

 

Quoting zbrct

those of you who want to visit Istanbul please be carefull... as a Turk I recommend not to travel alone if that is possible. These incidents DO HAPPEN in Istanbul like in other big cities. It is really sad to see people are killed for nothing.

 

 

 

Also people arent stupid, they know that crimes exist IN THE WORLD but life keeps going. So what are you trying to say, if I go to Istanbul, I should stay in the hotel and enjoy the view from the window?



Edited (7/22/2009) by Suyu [adding]

47.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:18 pm

 

Quoting Suyu

 

 

Also people arent stupid, they know that crimes exist IN THE WORLD but life keeps going. So what are you trying to say, if I go to Istanbul, I should stay in the hotel and enjoy the view from the window?

 

By no means! Crime happens everywhere. Scums can attack us anywhere, there´s no point in panicking. Just enjoy your holiday

48.       foka
597 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:37 pm

 

Quote: Daydreamer 

By no means! Crime happens everywhere. Scums can attack us anywhere, there´s no point in panicking. Just enjoy your holiday

 

good words D.D....

49.       zbrct
90 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:18 pm

Beyoðlu, a safe place to go?


After a German tourist was killed in broad daylight Monday morning on Ýstiklal, a crowded pedestrian street in Taksim, the question of safety in Istanbul’s Beyoðlu area has once again become the talk of the town.

For many people working in Beyoðlu, the neighborhood is safer than it was a couple of years ago. But the reason for the killing and details about the suspect are still a mystery.

German engineer Gregor Kerkeling, 42, was killed in the middle of Ýstiklal, one of the cultural, historical and entertainment centers of Istanbul. Ýbrahim Akyol, 26, the main suspect, allegedly wanted Kerkeling to give him one Turkish Lira, but the tourist ignored him.

Akyol, who was said to be mentally ill, allegedly attacked Kerkeling and stabbed him in the chest around 11 a.m. Monday. The German engineer later died in the hospital. Police arrested Akyol immediately after the incident.

Despite Taksim’s central location, the ambulance took 30 minutes to arrive at the scene, witnesses said, criticizing the emergency service’s response time. The Health Ministry in a statement Tuesday said the ambulance reached the crime scene only eight minutes after the emergency call.

Zeki Gerger, a shopkeeper on Ýstiklal Avenue, said Akyol was familiar and that he had seen him around before. He also said he might be living on the streets and that he might be addicted to sniffing paint thinner.

But a private security guard, who declined to give his name, saw the incident and said the suspect’s face was not familiar. “I have never seen him here before. He did not smell like thinner, and he did not seem to be a mad person. But still I don’t understand why he did this.”

An Akbank security guard who declined to give his name said he heard the stabber say, “He [Kerkeling] swore at me, he deserved it, I’ll kill them all,” right after the attack.

Media reports said the attacker was a thinner addict or a mentally ill person, mainly based on accounts by witnesses.

Tahir Berrakkarasu, head of the Beyoðlu Entertainment Places Association, said he cannot say Beyoðlu is not a safe place. “It was not safe about two years ago, but now we rarely hear about serious crimes on Istiklal Avenue,” he said.

Justice and Development Party, or AKP, Istanbul deputy Ünal Kaçar, said that although he did not have enough information about the case, he believed that it might be an exceptional incident. “It must be investigated, but I did not hear anything about an increase in the crimes in Beyoðlu,” Kaçar said. “Still this incident is so saddening.”

Social problems

For experts, however, this incident should not be seen as an exceptional case but as a signal of a social problem.

Nilüfer Narlý, a sociologist from Bahçeþehir University, said there were many social problems that fuel potential crimes, such as children living on the streets who are open to child and drug abuse. According to Narlý, this problem increases the potential for crime on the streets. Immediate action should be taken to rehabilitate those children and people who have had to live on the streets, Narlý said.

An expert working to rehabilitate children living on the streets warned that this incident has falsely criminalized street children. Yusul Ahmet Kulca, head of the Hope Children Association, said the street children who use thinner do not even get up in the morning. “This man [Akyol] is not registered with us. I don’t think he is living on the streets or using thinner,” Kulca said. “Thieves are working as gangs, and they are everywhere.” Only 4 percent of children living in the street are involved in criminal activities, Kulca said, citing a survey.

50.       lady in red
6947 posts
 22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:27 pm

 

Quoting zbrct


 

No-one is denying that the streets of Istanbul can be a dangerous place - we were just trying to point out that they are no more dangerous than the streets of most major cities in the World (and a lot less dangerous than some).

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