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German tourist killed on Taksim Istiklal street
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 09:15 pm |
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Publication date: 7/20/2009; 1:12:36 AM GMT.
The body of German tourist Gregor Kelkeling is carried by emergency services after he died at Taksim First Aid Hospital in Istanbul on 20 July 2009 due to injuries sustained after a man stabbed him earlier in the day. Kerkeling, 41, was assaulted by a Turkish man who approached him asking for money, while walking on Istiklal Avenue, Istanbul´s main pedestrian street, with his Turkish girlfriend, the Milliyet daily reported on its web site. |
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 09:52 pm |
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A nasty incident with a tragic ending and shocking how many people passed by before someone decided to step in and help - but I´m not sure of the point of your post. I don´t wish to ´do a Janissary´ but is it supposed to show Turkey (Istanbul) in a bad light? This could have happened in any big city in the World and - more´s the pity - does so on a daily basis.
Edited (7/20/2009) by lady in red
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 09:56 pm |
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My God , i was walking there few days ago and had imagination that its safety place, especially with this police everywhere in Taksim....
horribly story...for few euros or few liras he lost life....
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 10:49 pm |
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A nasty incident with a tragic ending and shocking how many people passed by before someone decided to step in and help - but I´m not sure of the point of your post. I don´t wish to ´do a Janissary´ but is it supposed to show Turkey (Istanbul) in a bad light? This could have happened in any big city in the World and - more´s the pity - does so on a daily basis.
You are right..these things happens everywhere but we must not forget that Istanbul in a huge city and there doesnt live just turks. It cant be made a statistic of foreigners who are staying illegual there who made bad things in their country maybe and hide there.
Im convinced that those who loves Turkey will go there no matter what happens.
We have the right to know the beautiful part of Turkey but also the bad part..nobody cant hide beyond a finger because the news goes all around the globe. And this is not a forbidden subject here on forum.
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 11:25 pm |
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a life is taken by a MONSTER for nothing and people are concerned about the image of Istanbul
how many tourists will not come to Turkey is a meaningless subject now because a human being is killed for nothing. lets all cry for GREGOR not for the image of Turkey, if we can...
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 11:32 pm |
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a life is taken by a MONSTER for nothing and people are concerned about the image of Istanbul
how many tourists will not come to Turkey is a meaningless subject now because a human being is killed for nothing. lets all cry for GREGOR not for the image of Turkey, if we can...
To cry for all who died on atentats (foreigners or turkish) and also for soldiers who gave their life in south-earstern border for defending Turkey because they also paid for us to have a beautiful country where to come. We have to thank them.
Edited (7/20/2009) by ReyhanL
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 11:41 pm |
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As far as i know and read he is not a tourist, he owns a construction company in Turkei...
God bless him and give patience to the rest...
That is a very sad occasion..
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 11:46 pm |
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As far as i know and read he is not a tourist, he owns a construction company in Turkei...
God bless him and give patience to the rest...
That is a very sad occasion..
it could be me..my father...my brother..my husband..my child...it could be YOU (turist, turkish, german, romanian, etc..) Its sad because a HUMAN died
Edited (7/20/2009) by ReyhanL
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20 Jul 2009 Mon 11:54 pm |
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it could be me..my father...my brother..my husband..my child...it could be YOU (turist, turkish, german, romanian, etc..) Its sad because a HUMAN died
did i say anything else? i just corrected the information given...
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:07 am |
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it could be me..my father...my brother..my husband..my child...it could be YOU (turist, turkish, german, romanian, etc..) Its sad because a HUMAN died
dont be so angry. sui didnt say something wrong. it s really a bad event. that kind of events must not be genaralized for whole country. same things happen in europe also. for instance, last year in germany, some ppl burnt a turkish home with ppl inside.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:09 am |
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I don´t wish to ´do a Janissary´ but is it ...
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:10 am |
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dont be so angry. sui didnt say something wrong. it s really a bad event. that kind of events must not be genaralized for whole country. same things happen in europe also. for instance, last year in germany, some ppl burnt a turkish home with ppl inside.
I know. I didnt said anything else than what i felt
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:11 am |
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Well, at least he didnt die at the courtroom while judge and policeman watching and even shot the one who was helping as it happened to Marwa at the German courtroom!
But of course its a horrible crim and may God rest his soul !
Edited (7/21/2009) by CANLI
Edited (7/21/2009) by CANLI
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:12 am |
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I don´t wish to ´do a Janissary´ but is it ...
Sorry but what is that?
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:16 am |
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what does she mean?
I dont understand old english
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:18 am |
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what does she mean?
I dont understand old english
Janissary??? whats this?
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:22 am |
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To do a janissary = to always wonder whether someone wants to put Turkey in a bad day light, to always think of conspiracies and to defend to your power the good image of Turkey where and whenever possible dirt on its image may occur. Variations in intensity possible, ranging from patriotism to racism, intellect and wickedness.
Ethymology: once upon a time there was a janissary, a yeniçeri and a TheJanissary
Edited (7/21/2009) by Deli_kizin
[do not be offended, there is no need :D]
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:26 am |
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To do a janissary = to always wonder whether someone wants to put Turkey in a bad day light, to always think of conspiracies and to defend to your power the good image of Turkey where and whenever possible dirt on its image may occur. Variations in intensity possible, ranging from patriotism to racism, intellect and wickedness.
Ethymology: once upon a time there was a janissary, a yeniçeri and a TheJanissary
I dont think she can think all of these things
someone might teach her
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:26 am |
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To do a janissary = to always wonder whether someone wants to put Turkey in a bad day light, to always think of conspiracies and to defend to your power the good image of Turkey where and whenever possible dirt on its image may occur. Variations in intensity possible, ranging from patriotism to racism, intellect and wickedness.
Ethymology: once upon a time there was a janissary, a yeniçeri and a TheJanissary
Thanks
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:35 am |
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I dont think she can think all of these things
someone might teach her
Oh great! The blind leading the blind 
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:42 am |
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These jackals are everywhere. I have been attacked by knife 4 times in the last 25 years. The whole thing develops so fast, the cops are of no help. They just take the aggressor in custody and ask if you are planning to sue. Last time it happened I looked at the face of the 17 year old boy and said to myself forget about it. I don´t know if it was the right decision whether I let him kill the next person or just gave him a good lesson...
Rest in peace Gregor you´ve lost your life so young, so unexpectedly...
Edited (7/21/2009) by vineyards
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:46 am |
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These jackals are everywhere. I have been attacked by knife 4 times in the last 25 years. The whole thing develops so fast, the cops are of no help. They just take the aggressor in custody and ask if you are planning to sue. Last time it happened I looked at the face of the 17 year old boy and said to myself forget about it. I don´t know if it was the right decision whether I let him kill the next person or just gave him a good lesson...
Rest in peace Gregor you´ve lost your life so young, so unexpectedly...
On Istiklal Caddesi there is full of policemen but they just stop black people to ask for their passport ( as I saw )
Edited (7/21/2009) by ReyhanL
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:55 am |
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did i say anything else? i just corrected the information given...
....the only difference that might make is one would think he would be more aware of his surroundings. Actually if you watch the video, someone did jump in to help in pretty short time. Of course, it was not soon enough, but I have read of other cases much worse. .....sad to say....
The simple fact of the matter is anyone of us could drop dead any minute...you know....a brick could fall on your head....the ground could open up and swallow you....many things could happen....
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:56 am |
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Oh great! The blind leading the blind
among the blind,the one-eyed man is a king))))just a thought)))
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:04 am |
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These jackals are everywhere. I have been attacked by knife 4 times in the last 25 years. The whole thing develops so fast, the cops are of no help. They just take the aggressor in custody and ask if you are planning to sue. Last time it happened I looked at the face of the 17 year old boy and said to myself forget about it. I don´t know if it was the right decision whether I let him kill the next person or just gave him a good lesson...
Rest in peace Gregor you´ve lost your life so young, so unexpectedly...
Yes, rest in peace Gregor.....
How about studying martial arts? At least it makes one more aware of their surroundings....the first rule....don´t let anyone get close enough to touch you. In crowded situations this is hard to carry out.
I was in a situation many years ago where three young teenaged black boys stole a bag with money in it. The police did find them, but when asked to idendify them, I declined because the hate from the (white) police was so intense, I was afraid for the boys. They looked so frightened.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:05 am |
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First we had burqas to protect ourselves, and now we get martial arts At least now we can have a hobby instead of being at tc But, how about common sense for all people?
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:10 am |
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To do a janissary = to always wonder whether someone wants to put Turkey in a bad day light, to always think of conspiracies and to defend to your power the good image of Turkey where and whenever possible dirt on its image may occur. Variations in intensity possible, ranging from patriotism to racism, intellect and wickedness.
Ethymology: once upon a time there was a janissary, a yeniçeri and a TheJanissary
 brilliant
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:14 am |
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brilliant
I wonder why u are laughing, I dont think u understood it
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 01:25 am |
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First we had burqas to protect ourselves, and now we get martial arts At least now we can have a hobby instead of being at tc But, how about common sense for all people?
Martial arts teach common sense...or at least should increase it. What they do is increase our awarness to our surroundings.
My martial art of choice is Aikido.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 04:30 am |
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I wonder why u are laughing, I dont think u understood it
It´s ok.... I got a grown up to explain all the big words 
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 09:44 am |
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A nasty incident with a tragic ending and shocking how many people passed by before someone decided to step in and help - but I´m not sure of the point of your post. I don´t wish to ´do a Janissary´ but is it supposed to show Turkey (Istanbul) in a bad light? This could have happened in any big city in the World and - more´s the pity - does so on a daily basis.
Well, there was an aggressor, not many people would want to put theirselves in danger. I am surprised that one man did come to help while the killer was there.
I also dont understand why people put such posts here. What is the point? There are newspapers you can read.
Edited (7/21/2009) by Suyu
Edited (7/21/2009) by Suyu
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 10:43 am |
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The killer was a junkie....No excuse, but a sad reality.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 11:50 am |
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I also dont understand why people put such posts here. What is the point? There are newspapers you can read.
+1
Edited (7/21/2009) by lady in red
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 12:39 pm |
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Well, there was an aggressor, not many people would want to put theirselves in danger. I am surprised that one man did come to help while the killer was there.
I also dont understand why people put such posts here. What is the point? There are newspapers you can read.
Read other posts of this thread´s initiator. You will have a fairly good answer to your question.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 02:16 pm |
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Understood then.
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 11:31 pm |
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you guys will not understand the point of my post untill you or one of your loved ones attacked, wounded or killed by those monsters. but it will be too late. I know you are annoyed by this post and you want to live as if this incident did not happen. infact you do that...(sorry if your turkishness is insulted)
those of you who want to visit Istanbul please be carefull... as a Turk I recommend not to travel alone if that is possible. These incidents DO HAPPEN in Istanbul like in other big cities. It is really sad to see people are killed for nothing.
Well, there was an aggressor, not many people would want to put theirselves in danger. I am surprised that one man did come to help while the killer was there.
I also dont understand why people put such posts here. What is the point? There are newspapers you can read.
Edited (7/21/2009) by zbrct
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 11:36 pm |
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you guys will not understand the point of my post untill you or one of your loved ones attacked, wounded or killed by those monsters. but it will be too late. I know you are annoyed by this post and you want to live as if this incident did not happen. infact you do that...(sorry if your turkishness is insulted)
those of you who want to visit Istanbul please be carefull... as a Turk I recommend not to travel alone if that is possible. These incidents DO HAPPEN in Istanbul like in other big cities. It is really sad to see people are killed for nothing.
No need to say this...people still will do what they want to do...walking alone, going in the places they want no matter what it happenned or can happen
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21 Jul 2009 Tue 11:44 pm |
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Have you any idea what it´s like in London or Manchester (or any other large British city) these days? And my Britishness won´t be insulted if anyone else points this out.
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:56 am |
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Have you any idea what it´s like in London or Manchester (or any other large British city) these days? And my Britishness won´t be insulted if anyone else points this out.
And it´s surely easy to get stabbed in Belfast if you´re Polish (3 Polish people stabbed in the last 4 weeks)
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:12 am |
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Have you any idea what it´s like in London or Manchester (or any other large British city) these days? And my Britishness won´t be insulted if anyone else points this out.
Yet you did a janissary 
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:14 am |
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Yet you did a janissary
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:54 am |
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Yet you did a janissary
Can we, please change that idiom? I would not feel very comfortable knowing I did a janissary  I mean, I´d never do him
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 01:56 am |
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Can we, please change that idiom? I would not feel very comfortable knowing I did a janissary I mean, I´d never do him
Yeah, I told LIR to keep it at this one time and not to do a whole garrison
Edited (7/22/2009) by Deli_kizin
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:44 am |
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you guys will not understand the point of my post untill you or one of your loved ones attacked, wounded or killed by those monsters. but it will be too late. I know you are annoyed by this post and you want to live as if this incident did not happen. infact you do that...(sorry if your turkishness is insulted)
You wont save everyone. Someone will be back from Istanbul to theirown country and will be stabbed in theirown city center. If you are destined to die nothing will save you. Or you will be at home and some earthquake will start and the ceilings will fall on you and you will be killed.
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:46 am |
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those of you who want to visit Istanbul please be carefull... as a Turk I recommend not to travel alone if that is possible. These incidents DO HAPPEN in Istanbul like in other big cities. It is really sad to see people are killed for nothing.
Also people arent stupid, they know that crimes exist IN THE WORLD but life keeps going. So what are you trying to say, if I go to Istanbul, I should stay in the hotel and enjoy the view from the window?
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:18 pm |
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Also people arent stupid, they know that crimes exist IN THE WORLD but life keeps going. So what are you trying to say, if I go to Istanbul, I should stay in the hotel and enjoy the view from the window?
By no means! Crime happens everywhere. Scums can attack us anywhere, there´s no point in panicking. Just enjoy your holiday
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 12:37 pm |
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By no means! Crime happens everywhere. Scums can attack us anywhere, there´s no point in panicking. Just enjoy your holiday 
good words D.D....
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:18 pm |
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Beyoðlu, a safe place to go?
Tuesday, July 21, 2009
ISTANBUL – Hürriyet Daily News
After a German tourist was killed in broad daylight Monday morning on Ãstiklal, a crowded pedestrian street in Taksim, the question of safety in Istanbul’s Beyoðlu area has once again become the talk of the town.
For many people working in Beyoðlu, the neighborhood is safer than it was a couple of years ago. But the reason for the killing and details about the suspect are still a mystery.
German engineer Gregor Kerkeling, 42, was killed in the middle of Ãstiklal, one of the cultural, historical and entertainment centers of Istanbul. Ãbrahim Akyol, 26, the main suspect, allegedly wanted Kerkeling to give him one Turkish Lira, but the tourist ignored him.
Akyol, who was said to be mentally ill, allegedly attacked Kerkeling and stabbed him in the chest around 11 a.m. Monday. The German engineer later died in the hospital. Police arrested Akyol immediately after the incident.
Despite Taksim’s central location, the ambulance took 30 minutes to arrive at the scene, witnesses said, criticizing the emergency service’s response time. The Health Ministry in a statement Tuesday said the ambulance reached the crime scene only eight minutes after the emergency call.
Zeki Gerger, a shopkeeper on Ãstiklal Avenue, said Akyol was familiar and that he had seen him around before. He also said he might be living on the streets and that he might be addicted to sniffing paint thinner.
But a private security guard, who declined to give his name, saw the incident and said the suspect’s face was not familiar. “I have never seen him here before. He did not smell like thinner, and he did not seem to be a mad person. But still I don’t understand why he did this.”
An Akbank security guard who declined to give his name said he heard the stabber say, “He [Kerkeling] swore at me, he deserved it, I’ll kill them all,” right after the attack.
Media reports said the attacker was a thinner addict or a mentally ill person, mainly based on accounts by witnesses.
Tahir Berrakkarasu, head of the Beyoðlu Entertainment Places Association, said he cannot say Beyoðlu is not a safe place. “It was not safe about two years ago, but now we rarely hear about serious crimes on Istiklal Avenue,” he said.
Justice and Development Party, or AKP, Istanbul deputy Ünal Kaçar, said that although he did not have enough information about the case, he believed that it might be an exceptional incident. “It must be investigated, but I did not hear anything about an increase in the crimes in Beyoðlu,” Kaçar said. “Still this incident is so saddening.”
Social problems
For experts, however, this incident should not be seen as an exceptional case but as a signal of a social problem.
Nilüfer Narlý, a sociologist from Bahçeþehir University, said there were many social problems that fuel potential crimes, such as children living on the streets who are open to child and drug abuse. According to Narlý, this problem increases the potential for crime on the streets. Immediate action should be taken to rehabilitate those children and people who have had to live on the streets, Narlý said.
An expert working to rehabilitate children living on the streets warned that this incident has falsely criminalized street children. Yusul Ahmet Kulca, head of the Hope Children Association, said the street children who use thinner do not even get up in the morning. “This man [Akyol] is not registered with us. I don’t think he is living on the streets or using thinner,” Kulca said. “Thieves are working as gangs, and they are everywhere.” Only 4 percent of children living in the street are involved in criminal activities, Kulca said, citing a survey.
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:27 pm |
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No-one is denying that the streets of Istanbul can be a dangerous place - we were just trying to point out that they are no more dangerous than the streets of most major cities in the World (and a lot less dangerous than some).
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:29 pm |
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please read the whole article...
No-one is denying that the streets of Istanbul can be a dangerous place - we were just trying to point out that they are no more dangerous than the streets of most major cities in the World (and a lot less dangerous than some).
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22 Jul 2009 Wed 09:54 pm |
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please read the whole article...
I did - and I just read it again and I still see nothing different to reports I was reading in the papers on a weekly - if not daily - basis when I lived in the UK. I´m still not sure what point you are trying to make? That the streets of Istanbul are unsafe? That there are thinner-sniffing addicts living rough? That mentally disturbed people could be liable to randomly attack people? It´s the same the world over - not a good thing but unfortunately a fact.
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