are you saying that mass media created all all that? so bombings, terror acts, murder of journalists who dared to criticize "the religion of peace" are made up by media and such dont happen?

well.... i think we are all fed up by these justifications.

I am focusing on just one version of the truth the one that involves the treatment the Turkish family were subjected to. I have no problems with Europe being a cradle of civilizations where racism is unheard of. As a matter of fact, we must be talking specifically about Norway. That Norway is in Europe and that Europe is way more civilized than aggressive and oppressive East  are completely irrelevant.

I am sure, anyone living anywhere would complain did anything of this sort happen to them. I can´t understand why some of you are trying to come up with excuses, comparisons etc.

What does it take to say, "I protest" or at least "I dislike the way two of Norway´s major public organization handled that situation?

I would agree with you if you would say "I dislike the way some of the employees of two of Norway´s public organisations handled that situation" but your generalising statements withhold me from agreeing.

It´s similar as saying "all muslims are terrorists" versus "those who set up the bombs are terrorists".

Trudy, organizations are run by people and they are supposed to make mistakes like anything handled by humans and I am not naive enough to claim that the aformentioned organizations are racist institutions.

It is however, those institutions´ responsibility to make sure that mistakes, ommissions and misconducts of this sort are thoroughly investigated. After all, misconduct is unfortunately a frequently observed aspect of human character. When investigations point out to an omission or an offense then those institutions must disassociate themselves from the mistakes of the persons involved in it by offering compensations, making formal apoligies, and by either prosecuting or punishing the perpetrators depending on the nature of the offense.

As you may have noticed I wrote those institutions and those persons. Because we are not talking about a single mistake committed by a single person instead we are talking about a chain of omissions, misunderstandings, and an utter lack of sympathy. Telephone conversations further denote to the presence of ethnic prejudices.

From a legal point of view, there is a death the cause of which must be investigated. There is suspicion over the roles of the family, emergency service and the police. In any modern country, this incident is stringently analyzed and investigated with an eye to establishing justice.

Therefore, I don´t have to restrain my thoughts when talking about possibilities. I am sure about the presence of some sort of omission and I believe any seasoned prosecutor would leave all doors open when handling a case like this with multiple potential culprits.

According to the Global Peace Index 2009, in the category of "hostility to foreigners" Norway gets 0/5, while Turkey gets 4/5. Where is your (Turkish people in general, and Vineyards in particular) criticism of yourselves? I only see how all of you complain of you being discriminated and victimized, but what about your own xenophobic and racist attitudes?

That is not to say that you are wrong to criticize others, but it sounds very suspicous and hypocritical when you yourselves behave in ways that apparently are worse then what you criticize in others.. and you don´t say or do anything about that. It kind of looks like Turkey has more to improve then Norway does in this respect..

I agree, Turkey needs to improve much more than Norway. As a result, it is adviced, do not come to Turkey or live in Turkey, you would probably be beaten, raped, tortured or killed(if u are armenian, be more careful in Turkey). There is terrorism in Turkey as well and we cannot keep up with the famous globalization... 

Catwoman there seems to be no cure for the habitual misconception that inflict most of your comments. I don´t know how and where you picked it up but you are thinking almost solely by way of comparisons. Note: I should have said "by way of retaliations" here.

Imagine I am from Harlem and the guys in say Manhattan beat me up whenever I show up there. When I go to the police station and complain of the incidents and point out to the repeating nature of them also implying there is some sort of ethnic prejudice in it they say:

Now that you live in Harlem, you have no right to complain.

Instead of doing that I can post on Turkish Class or write to the editor etc. What does it take for you to understand it.

It is very rude of you to imply I have racistic, xenophobic and hypocritical attitudes. No matter what you say to deny having made these accusations it is clear that some of those directly or indirectly apply to me personally too.

Having posted all those critiques, I don´t think my private life is inflicted with any of the alleged accusations. Those of us who have known me personally will probably confirm this point.

If you think I went to the extremes by chosing a dubious title for the thread, picking a wrong article as reference and posting those messages, you can lock the thread, delete my posts and send me a warning. Because there is certainly nothing offensive in the language or the way it is brought up. But please, be careful when accusing people publicly with things like racism etc.

I am basically a user on these forums. Though I have responsibilities, I have no way to abuse or misuse any responsibility. I cannot cause deaths of people by misconduct or I cannot maul people by incorrectly enforcing the rules. Subject me to the kind of punishment that I am capable of receiving and don´t dare to compare them with gravity of mistakes committed on a public level.

Under the circumstances, we must suggest that people should bring along their helmets, camouflage suits and bullet-proof vests when entering the country. Because as it seems, Turkey is only marginally better than likes of Afghanistan and Nigeria which are notoriously dangerous.

Those who have been here before. Don´t believe in your own eyes people, what you see is not always what you get. There are religious and political leaders who rank countries to their hearts´ content.

Like I said... I have experienced very racist and discriminating comments by Turkish people, simply because they didn´t understand that they were actually talking about me I have Kurdish friends, and really had my toe wiggling in my shoes as Turkish people started talking very bad about Kurdish people to me. I´ve also been somewhere with a slick looking Zaza (he looked very Turkish I guess) who could understand a bunch of Kurdish kids who were saying bad things to him in Kurdish. Stuff like "Look at that idiot Turk in his suit, thinks he´s all that simply because he´s a Turk" The only thing that every country has in common is that every country has racists in them. I have been in Turkey, with Dutch people talking to me about how they wouldn´t like their daughter to be with a Turk... good enough for a holiday I guess, not good enough for a relationship. Luckily, every country also has some smart (or was it stupid ) people in them who are not racist, xenofobic, etc. Hopefully these people can educate those racists

While your post makes sense, my real emphasis is on the need of isolating incidents not combining them.

It is of course terrible that there are racists in Turkey. But it does not have anything to do with the situation in Norway. A mistake is a mistake everywhere...