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Norway does it again
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60.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 02:56 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

Dear Catwoman;

 

I think Vineyards might have thought I am a run of the mill White nationalist/ xenophobic European, since when I read my post again even I thought so. That must be why he wrote all that tolerance stuff and politically correct but practically incorrect humanist mumbo jumbo we all are too tired of. Yeah sorry.

 

I feel terribly sorry for having written this wishy-washy, unnecessarily lengthy humanist mumbo jumbo.

 

I understand, I am stealing from your focus and your time when you are so busy learning English.

 

61.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 03:00 pm

 I agree with you.

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

Anywayyyy, enough about Turkey! Back to Norway... The whole thing that started this discussion was the question if this was really something that is a racist act, reflective of Norway. (I hope we all agree by now that this can not possibly be a reflective act of Europe as a whole, since my in depth investigation into Dutch practices  ) I still can´t say if this was a racist act. The facts are not clear. I think it´s normal to send the police when somebody threatens ambulance personel, even when it´s on the phone. Around large parts of the world violence against public service personel has risen. It is important to keep these people safe. Yes, somehing CLEARLY has gone wrong in this Norwegian case. But WHAT went wrong, nobody here really knows. I hope the results of the investigations around this will be published.

 

 

62.       Yersu
241 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 03:51 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

I feel terribly sorry for having written this wishy-washy, unnecessarily lengthy humanist mumbo jumbo.

 

I understand, I am stealing from your focus and your time when you are so busy learning English.

 

 

Ok first of all I think I was rude and I want to apologize. But come on Vineyards, don´t take it so badly. Don´t you think your post kinda lacked real substance? Sounded to me like every other humanist preaching out there.

63.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 04:20 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

 

 

Ok first of all I think I was rude and I want to apologize. But come on Vineyards, don´t take it so badly. Don´t you think your post kinda lacked real substance? Sounded to me like every other humanist preaching out there.

 

I don´t know what is your understanding of humanism is. Can you clarify this point?

 

 

64.       alameda
3499 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 05:20 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

I don´t know what is your understanding of humanism is. Can you clarify this point?

 

 

 

Maybe that would be a nice new thread, as that is a very deep subject that can digress even more than this one?

 

It would be interesting to expore the xenophobic aspect of cultures, don´t you think?  Aren´t humans actually tribal in nature?

65.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 07:36 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

 

 

It would be interesting to expore the xenophobic aspect of cultures, don´t you think? 

 

 {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} I think we do this everyday!  {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

66.       catwoman
8933 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 09:23 pm

When I think of human history, one thing that disturbs me badly is when I see a group of people who has been terribly oppressed at one time, and that groups becomes just as bad of oppressors themselves at another point in time. An obvious example is Israel here..

It seems unthinkable that people who have suffered terribly can actually turn around and do the same to others... So I´m wondering, what is wrong with us? And the only answer I can think of is that we are quick to criticize others, but not able to criticize ourselves. That is something I see a lot among all nationalities.. Americans, Turkish, Polish.. etc. What is special to Turkish people is that they do complain a lot about racism in Europe (sometimes rightfully, sometimes simply as a habit), but they never criticize their own country for the terrorism it does to their own population. That is why I cannot sympathize with those people at all, they are hypocrites to me, who are accomplices in the crime, and deserve to be punished.

However, I have not directed my original post in this thread to anyone in particular, especially not at Vineyards.

 

Couple famous quotes come to mind..

"In situation of oppression, those who remain neutral take the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu)



Edited (1/21/2010) by catwoman

67.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Jan 2010 Thu 10:02 pm

Yes, it is depressing to think one who suffered oppression and abuse can become an oppressors & abuseors, but it happens.  On the other hand, not all, or even a majority do, so cheer up.

 

I think too much focus is on who perpetuates it.  It actually re-victimizes the oppressed and abused.

 

Most of humanity is compassionate.

 

 

 

Quoting catwoman

When I think of human history, one thing that disturbs me badly is when I see a group of people who has been terribly oppressed at one time, and that groups becomes just as bad of oppressors themselves at another point in time. ....................

 

Couple famous quotes come to mind..

"In situation of oppression, those who remain neutral take the side of the oppressor." (Desmond Tutu)

 

 



Edited (1/21/2010) by alameda [add]

68.       armegon
1872 posts
 22 Jan 2010 Fri 04:34 pm

Yeah, i have seen many hypocrites as well, who are trying their best to justify terrorism by using famous terms like democracy and human rights, so that i cannot sympathise with them certainly, i think those are most dangerous than those terrorists and deserve to be punished...

 

Quoting catwoman

but they never criticize their own country for the terrorism it does to their own population. That is why I cannot sympathize with those people at all, they are hypocrites to me, who are accomplices in the crime, and deserve to be punished.

 

 

69.       jezzicaz789
1 posts
 30 Jan 2010 Sat 05:54 am

 

Quoting vineyards

http://www.learnist.org/norwegian-police-let-old-turkish-woman-die/

 

You may have heard of a Turkish family in Norway calling the emergency service asking for an ambulance to save their dieing mother. Instead of help, they are faced by the prejudices about what might actually have happened. The telephone conversations on record indicate that the emergency service becomes suspicious of the family and call the police instead of sending an ambulance. The lady on the phone reports the incident to the police saying: "...there is a strange family on the line, probably Pakistani or something like that. We are suspicious of them. We want you to check the place before we get there. Probably nothing will come out of it."

 

The family reacts to the police car saying we asked for an ambulance and there is a state of panic, yelling and chaos.

 

The old lady dies in the end.  Congratulations emergency service.

 


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