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40.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 02:24 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Like I said... I have experienced very racist and discriminating comments by Turkish people, simply because they didn´t understand that they were actually talking about me I have Kurdish friends, and really had my toe wiggling in my shoes as Turkish people started talking very bad about Kurdish people to me. I´ve also been somewhere with a slick looking Zaza (he looked very Turkish I guess) who could understand a bunch of Kurdish kids who were saying bad things to him in Kurdish. Stuff like "Look at that idiot Turk in his suit, thinks he´s all that simply because he´s a Turk" The only thing that every country has in common is that every country has racists in them. I have been in Turkey, with Dutch people talking to me about how they wouldn´t like their daughter to be with a Turk... good enough for a holiday I guess, not good enough for a relationship. Luckily, every country also has some smart (or was it stupid ) people in them who are not racist, xenofobic, etc. Hopefully these people can educate those racists

 

While your post makes sense, my real emphasis is on the need of isolating incidents not combining them.

 

It is of course terrible that there are racists in Turkey. But it does not have anything to do with the situation in Norway. A mistake is a mistake everywhere...

 

41.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 02:50 pm

Armegon, Vineyards... as I said, you have every right to criticize racism when you see it in others, but since you are so sensitive to people´s suffering, how come I don´t see you criticizing yourselves/your country? People are people no matter what nationality they are, and you have more power changing your own country then other countries, and as it seems there is a lot of work you/your country need to do. I definitely sympathize with the victims of racism in Norway/Europe.. but I do not believe that some of the people here (and I don´t mean Vineyards) are so concerned with racism because they are sensitive to ALL racism, but only when people from their country/their religion encounter problems. They see no problem with their own racism.

42.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 03:37 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Armegon, Vineyards... as I said, you have every right to criticize racism when you see it in others, but since you are so sensitive to people´s suffering, how come I don´t see you criticizing yourselves/your country? People are people no matter what nationality they are, and you have more power changing your own country then other countries, and as it seems there is a lot of work you/your country need to do. I definitely sympathize with the victims of racism in Norway/Europe.. but I do not believe that some of the people here (and I don´t mean Vineyards) are so concerned with racism because they are sensitive to ALL racism, but only when people from their country/their religion encounter problems. They see no problem with their own racism.

 

Is there a ration of some sort. Do we have to criticize Turkey a set number of times before we can post a critique of Norway?

43.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 05:56 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

According to the Global Peace Index 2009, in the category of "hostility to foreigners"

 

Ah yes, and we all are familiar with the hospitality of countries like New Zealand, Denmark, Norway and Iceland...............We know how they welcome foreigners.  I would question who compiled the list and what their standards were.

 

I do find it interesting that mistakes such as the one in this thread seem to happen more often to persons of color than to our paler brothers. There does seem to be a problem here.  I doubt if it has anything to do with color or culture, but who has the power and how resources are shared.

 

 

 

 

44.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 07:15 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

Ah yes, and we all are familiar with the hospitality of countries like New Zealand, Denmark, Norway and Iceland...............We know how they welcome foreigners.  I would question who compiled the list and what their standards were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 FYI - There is some info on the left side of the link about who the experts are and the methodology in collecting the info. 

 

Strangely enough, the experts are from the most peaceful countries....just an observation{#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Edited (1/19/2010) by Elisabeth

45.       alameda
3499 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 08:58 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

 FYI - There is some info on the left side of the link about who the experts are and the methodology in collecting the info. 

 

Strangely enough, the experts are from the most peaceful countries....just an observation{#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

Yes, I am aware of that....and how hospitable those countries in the top are noted as being.....but this really digresses from the issue of emergency service functionality in a First World Country.

46.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 10:33 pm

cw, you dont know what you are talking, you are again the one who diverted subject to Turkey and i didnt comment on this thread till this. As far as i remember many times i have seen when Turkey was being lowered here in past, a Turkish member put forward similar examples from other countries, you and some members were whinning, can you remember?

 

By the way i was serious in my previous comment on this thread not an irony. I cannot advice any foreigners to come to Turkey and to live in Turkey after i had checked your link "Global Peace Index", i guess this would be better for them and better for Turks as well.  Apart from these i know the problems of my country and try to say my truths and critics as much as i can, since here most of the topics are about Turkey. And i know how you criticize if the western countries should be condemned like "yes it was horrible but blah blah", "yes im very sad however blah blah". Anyway i dont care you call me racist, feel free to do it, i got used to hear it from the times of theh ... 

Quoting catwoman

Armegon, Vineyards... as I said, you have every right to criticize racism when you see it in others, but since you are so sensitive to people´s suffering, how come I don´t see you criticizing yourselves/your country? People are people no matter what nationality they are, and you have more power changing your own country then other countries, and as it seems there is a lot of work you/your country need to do. I definitely sympathize with the victims of racism in Norway/Europe.. but I do not believe that some of the people here (and I don´t mean Vineyards) are so concerned with racism because they are sensitive to ALL racism, but only when people from their country/their religion encounter problems. They see no problem with their own racism.

 

 

47.       ptaszek
440 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 10:37 pm

 

Quoting armegon

cw, you dont know what you are talking, you are again the one who diverted subject to Turkey

 

 

 

 Armegon..in cat´s and mine lg there is a saying,an old wisdom kind

nie odwracaj kota ogonem{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}which literally means

don´t divert the cat ...

cat knew what nick to choose)

48.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:23 pm

 

Quoting armegon

cw, you dont know what you are talking, you are again the one who diverted subject to Turkey and i didnt comment on this thread till this.

 

an, I said what I meant - I sympathize with victims of racism, but I seriously doubt the sincerity of some people who keep on criticizing others, but are unable to criticize themselves, and turn very aggressive and defensive when that is pointed out. As I said, people like that will turn around and abuse others when THEY are in the position of power.



Edited (1/19/2010) by catwoman

49.       Yersu
241 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:43 pm

I don´t blame Norway on this, stereotypes exist for a reason. That persons death has to be blamed as much on criminal immigrants who created the stereotype and who wouldn´t hesitate to blow the medics head off in such a scenario.

 

We should really get this people back from Europe, with the constantly rising tension they will both hurt and get hurt more and more. And how these people, for the love of God, become so extreme? There are more radical Islamists amongst the 5 mil. Turks in Europe than whole Turkey. Multiculturalism doesn´t work, neither for natives nor for immigrants.



Edited (1/19/2010) by Yersu

50.       armegon
1872 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:49 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

an, I said what I meant - I sympathize with victims of racism, but I seriously doubt the sincerity of some people who keep on criticizing others, but are unable to criticize themselves, and turn very aggressive and defensive when that is pointed out. As I said, people like that will turn around and abuse others when THEY are in the position of power.

  you are copying again, let me remind you once more, who doubt about who is sincerety first, just remember the wilders thread and your u-turns, does it sound similar?

 

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