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Negative Hastar Hali Form
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20.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 May 2006 Sun 08:56 pm

Hi bod,
1. It's not hastar but mastar hali.
2. To make a noun sentence negative we use "değil" (isn't). To make a verb sentence negative we use the negative suffix -me, -ma.
A noun sentence is a sentence that hasn't a conjugated verb but has a noun or adjective. Example:
İstanbul çok güzel. > Noun sentence because of 'güzel'.
Ankara pek güzel değil. > Noun sentence because of 'güzel'.
Ali okula gitti. > verb sentence because of gitmek.
Ali okula gitmedi. > verb sentence because of gitmek.

3. Mastal hali is the infinitive but 'gitme', 'incitme', 'okuma', 'yazma', etc. are negative imperatives. Smillarly 'git', 'incit', 'oku', 'yaz', etc. are affirmative imperatives. They are not infinitives.

The infinitives are 'gitmek' (to go) , 'incitmek' (to hurt), 'okumak' (to read) , 'yazmak' (to write), etc. and the negative imperatives are 'gitmemek' (not to go) , 'incitmemek' (not to hurt), 'okumamak' (not to read) , 'yazmamak' (not to write), etc.

Here are some sentences with negative imperatives:

Hayvanları incitmemek önemli.
Kitap okumamak çok büyük bir eksiklik.
Gitmemek ayıp olur.
Önemsiz sorulara kısa cevaplar vermek ve uzun uzun yazmamak gerekir.

21.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 14 May 2006 Sun 09:07 pm

Quoting erdinc:

1. It's not hastar but mastar hali.



i realize that but i didnt want to give a disappointment to bod

22.       erdinc
2151 posts
 14 May 2006 Sun 09:18 pm

Anlıyorum caliptrix. Bod'u küçük şeyler yüzünden üzmek istemediniz. Çok düşÃ¼ncelisiniz. Bod, iyi bir öğrenci öyle değil mi?
(Yabancı arkadaşlara biraz pratik olsun diye Türkçe yazdım.)


23.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 14 May 2006 Sun 09:22 pm

Quoting erdinc:

Anlıyorum caliptrix. Bod'u küçük şeyler yüzünden üzmek istemediniz. Çok düşÃ¼ncelisiniz. Bod, iyi bir öğrenci öyle değil mi?
(Yabancı arkadaşlara biraz pratik olsun diye Türkçe yazdım.)




azimli evet

24.       deli
5904 posts
 14 May 2006 Sun 09:40 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting erdinc:

Anlıyorum caliptrix. Bod'u küçük şeyler yüzünden üzmek istemediniz. Çok düşÃ¼ncelisiniz. Bod, iyi bir öğrenci öyle değil mi?
(Yabancı arkadaşlara biraz pratik olsun diye Türkçe yazdım.)




azimli evet

YES BOD IS A GOOD STUDENT AND CALIP IS VERY THOUGHTFUL,AND YOU WROTE IN TURKISH ERDINC TO GIVE YOUR FOREIGN FRIENDS A LITTLE PRACTICE OH AND YES BOD IS VERY DETERMINED SENINLE AYNI FIKIRDEYIM

25.       Chrisfer
70 posts
 18 May 2006 Thu 12:22 pm

Okay, I don't know that much about Turkish, but as far as grammar goes, I can tell you you don't want a verbal noun, you want a participle adjective. The -me suffix doesn't always translate to -ing in English.

For example, if you say, "I like reading", "reading" is a gerund, which is like a nounified verb. "Okulmayı seviyorum," right? It works like a noun, and you can use it as the object of the sentence (or the subject. ex. "Reading makes me happy." "Hurting animals is a bad idea.")

But if you say "These are the hurting animals," you're using it as an adjective (present participle), and the Turkish present participle is made with -en.


26.       Chrisfer
70 posts
 18 May 2006 Thu 12:25 pm

Sorry, didn't notice you had two more pages of replies. I guess the question had probably been answered already...

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