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Lybia and the no-fly zone
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 12:39 am |
French strikes destroy tanks near Benghazi
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 01:11 am |
This is supposedly mission to " save the world " or should we say " save the oil " ? Yes, Kaddafi is a bloody dictator, but this is not the way to get rid of him.
I think Obama will be given another nobel prize for peace by intervening Libya´s own problem !!
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 01:46 am |
One has to be very naive to believe that the aim of Western military intervention is to protect the Libyan people of anyone. Situation is clear: West needs Libyan oil and western military industry needs war in order to sell their product, so Libya was perfect for applying well known screenplay and tonight million of CNN spectators will enjoy performance with fireworks. They will start with tanks and air planes, continue with refineries, roads, bridges – as “military targets” – then they will destroy electricity facilities, factories, maybe water supply if Gaddafi stays too stubborn to leave - and finally West will reach oil fields and those who will mostly suffer in the whole action will be the people supposed to be protected.
Being a victim of similar action, sarcastically named “Merciful Angel”, I can only say – God save everyone of such saviours!
PS I´ve just heard that „US and British forces have fired a barrage of at least 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Libya against Muammar Gaddafi´s air defences“ – so, it continues as I thought...
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 03:14 am |
There are lots of dumb people around who will buy the story: "We are liberating Libya". As long as the things are the way they are, this will go on like this forever. Until one day, when they find all the suffering part of the world united against them. Maybe when that day comes, they will realize how it feels to be a victim. I don´t have any hope that I can live to see that day but it is sure to come like any other awakening.
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 03:21 am |
Just out of curiousity, wasn´t there a seed of truth in the way Bosnians treated by the Serbs during the hostilities. Were the Serbs completely innocent? How did all those civilians lose their lives and how do you explain the mass burials uncovered in the aftermath of the war.
I am not asking those to tease you or to challenge you, I understand Serbs have become a victim of the war eventually, but what about all those accusations of massacre and the stuff. Do you think they were all fabricated?
Meanwhile, that particular operation was probably the only one that did not involve an energy connection as well as being seemingly not an example of Christianity against Islam drive.
One has to be very naive to believe that the aim of Western military intervention is to protect the Libyan people of anyone. Situation is clear: West needs Libyan oil and western military industry needs war in order to sell their product, so Libya was perfect for applying well known screenplay and tonight million of CNN spectators will enjoy performance with fireworks. They will start with tanks and air planes, continue with refineries, roads, bridges – as “military targets” – then they will destroy electricity facilities, factories, maybe water supply if Gaddafi stays too stubborn to leave - and finally West will reach oil fields and those who will mostly suffer in the whole action will be the people supposed to be protected.
Being a victim of similar action, sarcastically named “Merciful Angel”, I can only say – God save everyone of such saviours!
PS I´ve just heard that „US and British forces have fired a barrage of at least 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Libya against Muammar Gaddafi´s air defences“ – so, it continues as I thought...
Edited (3/20/2011) by vineyards
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 06:04 am |
There are lots of dumb people around who will buy the story: "We are liberating Libya". As long as the things are the way they are, this will go on like this forever. Until one day, when they find all the suffering part of the world united against them. Maybe when that day comes, they will realize how it feels to be a victim. I don´t have any hope that I can live to see that day but it is sure to come like any other awakening.
Actually, less and less are buying that story today. Quadaffi has few friends. He´s not popular in the Arab world, having had a dramatic withdrawell from the Arab League, and certainly, he has not been popular in Europe. To top things off, Libya is a major source of petrol for Europe. I think many are delighted to have an excuse to finnish him off. Now what?
I don´t really know much about Libya, in fact I don´t think I´ve ever seen a student from Libya or anyone for that matter. It must be hard to get out of that country.
My heart breaks for the poor people who will be trapped in the turmoil.
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 10:59 am |
Of course we all know that it´s all about securing oil supply for Europeans.
Poor Libyan people!
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 11:25 am |
World intervenes Libya with an unusual speed! I dont remember the same world was that quick for saving Bosnians from Serbs, Why was that ? were Bosnians missing something for not be saved that quick ? What was missing with Bosnians that they werent deserved to be saved that quick ? Yea You guessed it folks...!!
Sarkozy was enjoying his gun trade with dictator Kaddafi, and other western powers were happy earning money by selling all sorts of weapon to their dear Monster Kaddafi.. They were happy, once upon a time there was a little boy called Kaddafi, he was living happly with his big brothers (Sarkozy,...etc....) now they hate him..Yes I can understand Kaddafi should be removed from this earth to the hell but His own people should do that !! I am just against DOUBLE STANDART of leaders that is giving us the reason " Liberating Libyan people". did they liberate Iraqian people..?
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 11:30 am |
Just out of curiousity, wasn´t there a seed of truth in the way Bosnians treated by the Serbs during the hostilities. Were the Serbs completely innocent? How did all those civilians lose their lives and how do you explain the mass burials uncovered in the aftermath of the war.
I am not asking those to tease you or to challenge you, I understand Serbs have become a victim of the war eventually, but what about all those accusations of massacre and the stuff. Do you think they were all fabricated?
Meanwhile, that particular operation was probably the only one that did not involve an energy connection as well as being seemingly not an example of Christianity against Islam drive.
Those were tragic events and Serbia has apologised for srebrenica.
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 01:50 pm |
Hm...you know who else brought the Turkish Kurds into this no-fly zone issue? Gaddafi himself!
"Gaddafi also brought Turkey’s fight against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) into the debate -- apparently as a case of what he sees as a Western double standard against Libya -- asking why the Western powers do not impose a no-fly zone in Turkish airspace to protect the Kurds.
“There are Kurds who want their rights in Turkey. They want to establish an independent state,” Gaddafi said in the interview with the state-run TRT Türk channel. “The Turkish army has been fighting the Kurds for years. Why is Turkish airspace not closed? Neither the US, nor Europe have made any decision to that effect. Why?” asked Gaddafi in the interview."
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=3DDCFD47E8E29EBFF7FFDBF0D38E39AD?newsId=237762
But it seems the news has caught up with me, and the no fly zone will be imposed.
Turkey of course opposes ton-fly zone.
For example Davutoglu, Turkish FM, supported change in the region but through a peaceful path
Turkey, a Muslim democracy with a secular constitution, has been cited as a model for the volatile region.
Speaking to the same international forum, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Ankara supported change in the region, but through a peaceful path.
"Change is necessary but peaceful change being the method is also necessary. It should not be a war among brothers that creates new tensions that evolves into a blood feud," Davutoglu said.
The most interesting comment was made by Bahçeli (MHP opposition party leader). Bahçeli pointed out that Kurds (PKK in particular) in SE Turkie are trying to stir up the matters by organising events everyday so as to clash with Turkish police and stated that Kurds will try to create the same environment in SE Turkie which may eventually lead something similar in Libya. (meaning they are probably aiming this kind of intervention as in Libya today).
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20 Mar 2011 Sun 01:50 pm |
It´s naive to expect that Frech and Canadian intervention is an act of good will and its main interest is getting rid of Kaddafi (what´s the proper spelling of this name?) for the sake of the people of Libya. Of course it´s about oil. If, accidentally, getting rid of Kaddafi will improve the fate of Libyans, it´s good, but I have reasons to doubt it. It´s a tough call though: Kaddafi´s regime was not good for people, the western interventions have been known to cause lots of collateral damage and are definitely not something to wish for. The question is what is the best way to get rid of the dictator without engaging western forces. Will the folk of Libya manage on their own? Will the west risk longterm cease in oil supplies? Or even higher prices of already expensive petrol?
It´s not a simple game and it has too many players whose positions are in danger.
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