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60.       scalpel
1472 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 03:04 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

I wouldn´t call them (those who smoke) wise men.

 

Here is a short list of foolish people Wink

Atatürk

Einstein

Wilde

Oscar Wilde

Sartre

Jean-paul Sartre 

Twain

Mark Twain

Camus

Albert Camus

Grass

Günter Grass

Brecht

Bertolt Brecht

Freud

Sigmund Freud

Kennedy

John F. Kennedy

Pablo Picasso

Pablo Picasso

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61.       lemon
1374 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 03:42 pm

I dislike all these men, esp. Freud. {#emotions_dlg.sick}

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62.       acute
202 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 05:50 pm

63.       acute
202 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 05:53 pm

Fame Struck Down By
Nicotine Dependency



Bill Hicks (YB), 32, comedian * pancreatic cancer



Lorraine Hansberry, 34, playwright (Raisin in the Sun) pancreatic cancer



Luiz Jose Costa, 36, Brazilian music star * lung cancer



Carrie Hamilton, 38, actress, Carol Burnett´s daughter * lung cancer



Wilhelmina Cooper, 40, modeling pioneer * lung cancer



Eric Carr, 41, musician (Kiss drummer) * heart and lung cancer



Carolina Knapp, 42, author (Pack of Two/The Hunger) * lung cancer



Judy Holliday, 43, actress * throat cancer

Chris "Punch" Andrews, 43, popular Toronto radio DJ * lung cancer


Nat "King" Cole, 45, singer * lung cancer


John Cipollina, 45, guitarist * emphysema


Nancy Gore Hunger, 46, sister of V.P. Al Gore * lung cancer


Lon Chaney, 47, actor/director * lung cancer


Graham Chapman 48 comic ("Monty Python") * throat cancer


Mary Wells, 49, singer ("My Guy") * larynx cancer


Jack Cassidy, 50, actor * died in a fire from smoking in bed


Errol Flynn, 50, actor * heart attack


Jim Varney, 50, comedian (Ernest) * lung cancer


Roger Maris, 51, baseball player (N.Y. Yankees) * lung cancer


Wayne McLaren, 51, "Marlboro Cowboy" * lung cancer


Robert Shaw, 51, actor (Jaws) * heart attack


Rod Serling, 51, director (Twilight Zone) heavy smoker * heart disease


Carl Wilson, 51, musician (Beach Boys) * lung cancer


Lloyd Haynes, 52, TV actor (General Hospital) * lung cancer


Eddie Kendrick, 52, singer (Temptations) * lung cancer


Roy Orbison, 52, singer ("Pretty Woman") * heart attack


Captain Phil Harris, 53, "Deadliest Catch" crab boat skipper * stroke


Jimmy Dorsey, 53, musician, band leader * lung cancer


Jerry Garcia, 53, musician (Grateful Dead) * heart attack


Lindley ("Spike") Jones, 53, band leader * emphysema


Babe Ruth, 53, baseball player * oral cancer


William Talman, 53, actor (Perry Mason´s adversary) * lung cancer


Jack Wild, 53, actor (Artful Dodger in Oliver) * mouth cancer


Mark Belanger, 54, baseball shortstop Orioles * lung cancer


Michael Landon, 54, actor - heavy smoker * pancreas and liver cancer


Larry Gilbert, 55, PGA golfer * lung cancer


Susan Hayward, 55, actress * lung cancer


Lee Remick, 55, actress * lung and liver cancer


Ian Fleming, 56, James Bond creator * heart attack


King George VI, 56, Father of Queen Elizabeth II * lung cancer


Betty Grable, 56, "pin-up" girl, actress * lung cancer


Doug McLure, 56, TV actor (The Virginian) * lung cancer


Roger Miller, 56, singer/songwriter * lung/throat cancer


Eddie Rabbitt, 56, singer/song writer * lung cancer


Patrick Swayze , 57, actor ("Dirty Dancing" "Ghost") * pancreatic cancer


Humphrey Bogart, 57, actor ("Casablanca") * esophagus cancer


Wolfman Jack, 57, music disk jockey * heart attack


Edward R. Murrow, 57, reporter * lung cancer


Will Thornbury, 57, modeled for Camel TV ads * lung cancer


George Harrison, 58, musician (The Beatles) * lung cancer


R.J. Reynolds, 58, tobacco company founder * emphysema


R.J. Reynolds, III, 59, tobacco company heir * emphysema


Clark Gable, 59, actor ("Gone With The Wind") * heart attack


Anne Ramsey, 59, actress (Goonies - Mama Fratelli) * throat cancer

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64.       acute
202 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 05:57 pm

for those that read these posts and the lightbulb turns on there is help even on the internet

 

http://whyquit.com/ffn/index.html

http://lung.ca/protect-protegez/tobacco-tabagisme/stories-histoires/people-gens_e.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_cessation

65.       scalpel
1472 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 08:19 pm

 

Quoting lemon

I dislike all these men, esp. Freud. {#emotions_dlg.sick}

 

Lemon, I am not surprised that you don´t like "all these men".. as she liked your message it is clear that so does acute I am happy that you two finally became friends This is the power of smoke! Wink This reminds me of a Turkish saying that may apply to this new friendship: Hacı hacıyı mekke´de, hoca hocayı tekkede, bok boku kenefte bulur". It says "for muslim pilgrims what is more normal than to meet each other in Mecca.." and so on   I wish this "fraternity of the enemies of smoke" last forever. Amen!   

Of course you two have the right of disliking "all these men". But it´s not the issue I am discussing. Just tell me do you think "all these men" are wise or foolish? If you think they are foolish, I will recommend you to visit a psychologist. But make sure that this psychologist is not a psychoanalyst. {#emotions_dlg.lol}

When I was a smoker the thing that I never understood, and was mad at of course, was those idiots that they thought they took care of me more than I did {#emotions_dlg.wtf}  When it is free people take care of others..but I bet they wouldn´t have given me a ´sou´ if I had starved from hunger. Do you think they would have?  

And last words.. probably even your own grand grandsons won´t know your names{#emotions_dlg.bye} but "all these men" you dislike will be there shining till the doomsday.{#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

I like them all.. esp. ATATÜRK  

 

66.       acute
202 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 08:48 pm

 

When I was a smoker the thing that I never understood, and was mad at of course, was those idiots that they thought they took care of me more than I did {#emotions_dlg.wtf}  When it is free people take care of others..but I bet they wouldn´t have given me a ´sou´ if I had starved from hunger. Do you think they would have?  

And last words.. probably even your own grand grandsons won´t know your names{#emotions_dlg.bye} but "all these men" you dislike will be there shining till the doomsday.{#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

I like them all.. esp. ATATÜRK  

 

 

but than again you were a smoker .........your mind was already poisoned.

As far as those particular people they went down in history the same way many mass murderors and movies stars etc... did. Actually nothing special about them nothing extraordinary - just in the right place at the right time but they should not be revered. All of them had dark spots and secrets too. You can find this also on internet.

Scalpel , no one who has written here about the harm with cigarette smoking has been trying to sell a particular product or health service. They are the true victum of others who are stupid enough to smoke. They are the witness´s to something not so great.... Don´t make a joke about smoking.

In all honesty no one can deny the dangers of smoking it has been known . As early as the Seventeenth Century, the European countries realized the dangers of smoking and fought against it Laws were ordained in England, Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, and other countries, prohibiting smoking and punishing violators.

Smoking was introduced to the Muslim countries by the Europeans around 1000 AH. Its spread among the Muslims was similar to that in the West. The unfortunate fact, however, is that in the Muslim countries, no similar measures were exerted to protect the people from it. To the contrary, the media continues to adom smoking and encourage people to do it. This caused the epidemic of smoking to continue to spread in those countries to such an extent that it has become hard to control.

Smoking has become the rule, and abstaining from it the exception. Often, people look with astonishment and disdain at a person who when a cigarette is offered to him, declines to smoke explaining that he does not smoke.

Offering cigaretles to the guests has become among the first rules of hospitality. Anyone who does not offer them to his guests or insist on them to smoke would be violating the ethics of hospitality and generosity!

Furthermore, some of those who pretend to represent the Deen are among the worst addicts to smoking. When they are reproached or reminded of their vice, they respond by providing weak excuses to justify it in the name of Islaam. They slyly remark that there is no clear text prohibiting smoking. Therefore, they conclude, smoking is not prohibited, but is only makruh (disliked). By this, they provide a poor excuse for the ignorant, and establish a very bad example for others.

Many Muslims have been influenced by such statements, falling into the snares of addiction to smoking. This is observed all over the world. A striking example is that all American airlines now prohibit smoking, even on most international flights; on the other hand, for Muslim airlines, one travels in a near-suffocation state, even on short trips, because of the high number of smokers.

Thus, it becomes incumbent to write an article which provides evidence concerning the ruling of smoking in Islam. We hope that this will benefit our Muslim brothers and sisters; and we ask Allah (T) to accept it from us as a sincere deed for His pleasure.

Haram To The Deen

Smoking spoils a person´s acts of worship and reduces their rewards. For instance, it spoils the prayer, which is the pillar of Deen. Allah´s Messenger said: Whoever eats garlic or onion, let him avoid us and our masjid, and stay in his home. The angels are surely hurt by things that hurt the human beings(1)

Those with clean and undefiled fitrah (nature) have no doubt that the smell emanating from the mouth of a smoker is worse and more foul than that from the mouth of one who ate garlic or onion. Thus, a smoker is in between two options, either to harm the praying people and the angels with his foul smell, or miss the prayer in jama´ah.

Smoking also spoils fasting. Fasting is very hard for the smoker. As soon as the day is over, he hastens to break his fast on an evil cigarette instead of sweet dates or pure water. Even if he fasts through the month Ramadan, a smoker is reluctant to fast on other days. Thus he loses the great reward of those who fast even one day in Allah´s way.

Harm To The Human Body

No one can deny the harm of smoking to the human body. The medical evidence for this is well established and overwhelming. Because of this, the law in the United States and many other countries requires including a warning on any smoking advertisement.

Smoking contains poisonous materials, such as nicotine, tar, carbon monoxide, arsenic, benzopyrene, etc., that the smoker swallows in small proportions. Their harm accumulates with time to result in a gradual killing of the human organs and tissues.

The hazards of smoking to the health are hard to enumerate. Cancer, tuberculosis, heart attacks, asthma, coughing, premature birth, infertility, infections in the digestive system, high blood pressure, nervousness, mouth and teeth diseases, etc., are among the many health hazards that have been strongly linked to smoking.

These diseases may not appear all at once, however a smoker is most likely to suffer from some of them, and his suffering increases as he grows older. Furthermore, statistics have established that smokers´ age is, on the average, ten years less than other people´s.

This is aufficient to prohibit smoking. Islam prohibits any action that causes harm to oneself or to other people. Allah (T) says (what means):

<<Do not kill yourselves, Allah is indeed merciful to you.> 

<<Do not cast yourselves, with your own hands, into destruction.>

 

And the Messenger says: No harm may be inflicted on oneself or others.

The feet of a human being will not depart, on the day of Judgement, from his standing before his Lord, until he is questioned about five things: his lifetime - how did he pass it, his youth - how did he used it, his wealth - where did he earn it and how did he spend it, and how did he follow what he knew.(5)

Whoever consumes poison, killing himself with it, then he will he consuming his poison in the hellfire, and he will abide in it permanently and eternally.(6)


<<And do not waste (your resources) extravagantly. Indeed the squanderers are the brethren of the devils>>(11)

And the Prophet () said: Allah hates for you three things: gossiping, begging, and wasting money.(12)

the list goes on..............



 



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67.       stumpy
638 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 09:46 pm

In 2008, legislation was introduced banning smoking in taxis, shopping centers, and large-scale workplaces. The prohibition went surprisingly smoothly. On July 19, phase two of the ban took effect, prohibiting smoking in restaurants, bars and cafes. The move brought Turkey into line with legislation on the books in Western Europe and North America.

68.       stumpy
638 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 09:48 pm

Quote: Turkish Airlines

on the other hand, for Muslim airlines, one travels in a near-suffocation state, even on short trips, because of the high number of smokers.

All Turksih Airlines flights are smoke free

Gulf Air Company  Within Middle East; Bahrain-England Bahrain-Austrailia, smoke free

Egyptair Domestic, smoke free

Royal Jordanian Airlines Within Middle East, smoke free

Kuwait Airways All within Gulf Region, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon; Between Beirut and Istanbul; Between Damascus and Larnaca, smoke free

Saudi Arabian Airlines, smoke free

 

 



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69.       acute
202 posts
 05 Mar 2012 Mon 10:10 pm

Actually Stumpy if you really want to quit here is the deal. I am so adamant that smoking is harmful that I will aid you in quitting. You can pm and I will get the ball rolling.

if you need to take a prescription drug to aid you in the cessation of smoking. I will pay for it.

http://www.msss.gouv.qc.ca/sujets/santepub/tabac/index.php?aid=110

http://www.iquitnow.qc.ca/

http://www.ramq.gouv.qc.ca/en/citoyens/assurancemedicaments/regimepublic/produitsantitabac.shtml

looking at the last links  your own healthcare system will pay for you to quit and aid you too with the appropriate help.



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70.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Mar 2012 Tue 01:33 am

Deleted personal attacks and locking the thread.  

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