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30.       heiditc
15 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 03:04 am

Yeaah 11 is about right because 11 is the age where a child must start praying... in which that means the fast should start at 11 also..

in different countrys its told at different ages i will get some evidence ...

Okay soo just red and it says pref 10 years old...

sorri if we are not allowed to post links but this is from islam q&a

 

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/65558

31.       alameda
3499 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 03:32 am

your empty messages are a wonder. I´ve looked at them in Firefox and Chrome and they were empty. What browser is it you are so attached to? I think both Mozilla and Chrome are pretty standard these days, so whatever you are using is odd.

I find it amusing that you, as a self identified Jew, are offering advice on what Ramadan is about. Only Alllah really knows what it´s about. We only guess. 

Quoting barba_mama

 

Ugh, because I don´t want to be forced into using a browers just to be able to post on 1 website. I like my browser I said something about fasting being personal, and our opinions have nothing to do with it. Wether we think people could or should fast has nothing to do with Ramadan. And if you only fast because other people say you should, or you simply fast because you can, it is empty. Ramadan is a month of contemplation and meditation, about overthinking life and your relationship with god. Fasting can be a tool to do this, but fasting shouldn´t be something you just do because everybody says so.

 

 

 



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32.       admin
757 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 06:07 am

I should be able to fix the empty message problem if I can reproduce it. So far I tried all the browsers I have and it is not happening. What version of Internet Explorer is this happening on? Is it IE6, 7, 8, or 9? 

33.       Abla
3647 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 09:08 am

I use Firefox because I like it. Often people say they can´t see the message even if I do and some other people do.

 

If I try to send something heavy like a picture the post gets white even in my eyes. The picture sometimes eats the text, too! I have learned from this and use GC for heavy loads.

 

How many of my posts are really empty...that one I don´t know.

34.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 01:11 pm

 

Quoting alameda

your empty messages are a wonder. I´ve looked at them in Firefox and Chrome and they were empty. What browser is it you are so attached to? I think both Mozilla and Chrome are pretty standard these days, so whatever you are using is odd.

I find it amusing that you, as a self identified Jew, are offering advice on what Ramadan is about. Only Alllah really knows what it´s about. We only guess.

 

 

 

I´m not a Jew, part of my family is. By the Jewish law I would be considered a Jew, because it is passed on through the female line. Just like in Islam the faith is passed on through the male line. So if I have a baby in my current relationship it would be considered both Jewish and Muslim by religious rules I don´t see myself as Jewish, more a... well, everything and nothing But it still hurts me when people talk about Jews, because yes, it is a part of me. But theology is a hobby, and I have studied Islam (and still studying, it takes a while!). I don´t think it would be smart of me to give an opinion about something, if I don´t even take the effort to educate myself first. So I have read the quran and some hadiths, and I bother everybody with too many questions It is a difficult topic though, since the imams that I stalk tend to give different answers from time to time on the same question.

But if you read my post, you would see that I´m not giving adivce on what Ramadan is about, but actually saying that our opinions don´t matter! Read, than comment

35.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Aug 2012 Fri 02:01 pm

Barba,

That you are a Jew (or half a  Jew) should not lead you to blindly stand up for all aspects of Sionizm.

The "Olympic symbol"  discussion  is not about Jews and Judaism in general, but it strongly relates to Sionism.



Edited (8/3/2012) by AlphaF

36.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Aug 2012 Sat 07:54 am

Hmmm....in some of your previous posts I thought you self identified as  Jew. Personally, I don´t think one´s religion is a matter of bloodline, but rather a matter addressed in one´s heart. 

Of course, there are many ways of interpreting religious teaching. 

This Jewish law thing I don´t understand at all. One can be a Jew and be an athiest, so I´ve been told...that is if your mother´s mother´s mother´s mother´s on and on back somewhere was Jewish, you are Jewish, forget about your father´s line? No requirement to have any beliefs? What would Moses say? I am old enough to have been the evolution of this definition. It really is rather new Haskalah interpretation of who is a Jew. IOW it´s a political definition. 

As for Islam, it´s really very simple, or so it seems. It is based on belief, &r to testify/witness, Shahada to that belief, not heritage. 

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

"There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God" 

That really is a rather poor translation of a very profound concept. that it takes years to comprehend, but it´s a start.

In the Quran it says, وَلِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّوا فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ

"Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah´s Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing." I rather like the site that link takes you to because you can see many translations, not just one. 

Maybe this post will be deleted for being too religious, but you mentioned it and I wanted to follow up on it as best I could. I know the parentage definition is followed a lot in some parts of the ME, Lebanon for example and other parts. I´d like to see that definition removed and let people  question and evolve, learn and what they actually believe. 

I didn´t even get into the Christian concept of Trinitarian or Unitarian.....or the Nicene Creed...it´s easy to see how people get confused 

Quoting barba_mama

I´m not a Jew, part of my family is. By the Jewish law I would be considered a Jew, because it is passed on through the female line. Just like in Islam the faith is passed on through the male line. So if I have a baby in my current relationship it would be considered both Jewish and Muslim by religious rules I don´t see myself as Jewish, more a... well, everything and nothing But it still hurts me when people talk about Jews, because yes, it is a part of me. But theology is a hobby, and I have studied Islam (and still studying, it takes a while!). I don´t think it would be smart of me to give an opinion about something, if I don´t even take the effort to educate myself first. So I have read the quran and some hadiths, and I bother everybody with too any questions It is a difficult topic though, since the imams that I stalk tend to give different answers from time to time on the same question.



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37.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 07 Aug 2012 Tue 11:28 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Barba,

That you are a Jew (or half a Jew) should not lead you to blindly stand up for all aspects of Sionizm.

The "Olympic symbol" discussion is not about Jews and Judaism in general, but it strongly relates to Sionism.

 

The fact that I think the "2012 spells zion" thing is rubbish has nothing to do with my Jewish roots. It has something to do with me thinking it´s just rubbish. I do not favor Jews in any way, I just stand up when people think that all Jews are the same or behind a complot... or all Muslims are the same..or all Siks are the same, and so on, and so on. This zion thing, posting it as if it is reality sparks racism. I am against racism, not particularly pro-Jews.

Actually, religion is no issue in my family, so I call myself a person with Jewish roots. Not a Jew or half a Jew. My grandmother technically stopped being a Jew because she stopped believing in God after what happened in the second world war. She was a communist actually So am I also half a communist? Perhaps...

To alemeda. The Jewish bloodline thing is not something I believe. It´s just a religious rule. Like "don´t eat pork." Some people see "Jew" as a race, to point towards a distinct seperate culture and history. The Jewish atheist isn´t really correct, but it´s something people call themselves to point out their cultural heritage and there is no country you can name to point it out. In that case it is similar to "Roma" or something. But more politically correct would be to say Hebrew (some Americans do, European are not so politically correct). So in that case you can´t be a Jewish atheist. It would be a Hebrew atheist.

38.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 08 Aug 2012 Wed 03:49 am

 

Quoting heiditc

But there is no point in fasting if you are not going to pray the 5 daily prays.

 

Five daily prayer (salah, namaz) is not connected to fasting (sawm).

Even ramadan tarawih prayer is not connected to daytime fasting.

 

Ablution (wudhu) is connected to daily prayer (salah). Without ablution, prayer is not possible and accepted.

 

If we cannot do everything in religion ordered, we should not quit all. Ne yaparsak kârdır.

 

39.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Aug 2012 Wed 03:56 am

The fact of the matter is if one reads 2012 from right to left, it does spell ZION. That´s just how the numbers are this common year.  I think it´s the dot in the logo that seals it. I wonder what the reason was for putting that in there? FWIW I had not seen that particular logo anywhere but here, so it´s not too common. 

The "who is a Jew" question is a confusing and sticky one. 

"As René-Samuel Sirat, chief rabbi of Paris, declared, “One cannot be both a Christian and a Jew.”.....

However then one reads, 

"When Pope John-Paul II named him archbishop of Paris, an astonished Lustiger told a reporter: “I have always considered myself Jewish, even if the rabbis do not agree with me. I was born Jewish, and Jewish I’ll remain.” Indeed, during his funeral service at the Cathedral of Notre-Dame, one of his relatives recited the Kaddish, while the leaders of France’s Jewish community — including the chief rabbi — prayed by the side of his coffin."

From here: France´s Jewish Archbishop

 

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

The fact that I think the "2012 spells zion" thing is rubbish has nothing to do with my Jewish roots. It has something to do with me thinking it´s just rubbish. I do not favor Jews in any way, I just stand up when people think that all Jews are the same or behind a complot... or all Muslims are the same..or all Siks are the same, and so on, and so on. This zion thing, posting it as if it is reality sparks racism. I am against racism, not particularly pro-Jews.

Actually, religion is no issue in my family, so I call myself a person with Jewish roots. Not a Jew or half a Jew. My grandmother technically stopped being a Jew because she stopped believing in God after what happened in the second world war. She was a communist actually So am I also half a communist? Perhaps...

To alemeda. The Jewish bloodline thing is not something I believe. It´s just a religious rule. Like "don´t eat pork." Some people see "Jew" as a race, to point towards a distinct seperate culture and history. The Jewish atheist isn´t really correct, but it´s something people call themselves to point out their cultural heritage and there is no country you can name to point it out. In that case it is similar to "Roma" or something. But more politically correct would be to say Hebrew (some Americans do, European are not so politically correct). So in that case you can´t be a Jewish atheist. It would be a Hebrew atheist.

 

 



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