yes, but you know, learning a language means to think in that language, not just translate punctualy, sometimes literally some phrases..my point of view...
Robert , No one is perfect. The perfectionistic approach while you are teaching might put the learners off as when you correct even the tinniest errors of poor learners [ who are already having enough trouble with Turkish grammar] related to English grammar, might make them feel uncomfortable and afraid to answer your questions thinking that they are gonna be told off because of their mistakes in English.
Sorry, this is my observation. I believe that you have very good intentions. But they need their Turkish Perfect not their English.
We need to wait for a native speaker to drop by so that we can indulge ourselves in the illusion that "natives" will save the day because we believe that "native" is always better, even perfect .
Ok, just don´t forget that without native Turks this site would be dead in two days.
The thing is that adults are afraid of learning because they fear discomfort. Children are much more open and learn at a much faster rate because they usually dare to experiment.
In the case you havent noticed yet there are a lot of adults here, and childs too; all of us want to learn english in our way - by asking about translation or grammar issues; even there is about love letter, homeworks, fragments of newspaper`s article or whatever else, we are not afraid or shame to ask; some of us are english natives, some have different mother languages; al of us come from all around the world but our aim is unique - learning turkish in our way; and we cant do that WITHOUT native speakers of turkish. hepsi bu...
you should try to translate it; put it in your own words, in your own language, and post it here; and after we will see the results of experiment..and conclusions..
You don´t understand me as a person and that is OK. I wrote: we are all equal, remember? I also wrote: my intention is to help. I did not write: die, you mother fuckers!
Sometimes I simply write phrases that are only meant as a playful example of language usage without the intention to convey a certain message. Don´t take everything so seriously, don´t take your own ego so seriously .
I accept you all. Do whatever works for you. May I do the same?
But you take your own ego seriously too, otherwise you wouldnt be so defensive, would you ? And you don´t have to use "F" word to make your point. That´s not nice either.
You don´t understand me as a person and that is OK. I wrote: we are all equal, remember? I also wrote: my intention is to help. I did not write: die, you mother fuckers!
Sometimes I simply write phrases that are only meant as a playful example of language usage without the intention to convey a certain message. Don´t take everything so seriously, don´t take your own ego so seriously .
I accept you all. Do whatever works for you. May I do the same?
You don´t understand. But that´s fine. Being "polite" is irrelevant in this case because that is not the point. Do you hear me saying: you should buy I new brain ?
People who actually know me know better, by the way .
Being polite in Turkish Culture is not to use that phrase in public. Even it is only a phrase. Turkish culture bunu kaldırmaz. Because , mothers are holy beings for us. If someone involve my mother in any discussion, I would send him to hell. !
You don´t understand. But that´s fine. Being "polite" is irrelevant in this case because that is not the point. Do you hear me saying: you should buy a new brain ?
People who actually know me know better, by the way .
Yarvik we correct your mistakes and explain in your language what you did wrong . But in return instead of thanking us you criticise our English. This is so cheap mate. Why don´t you correct our mistakes and explain in our language what we did wrong ? Try to do it in Turkish like we do in English if you have balls . I promise you I won´t criticise you.
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I started learning Turkish a month ago and can not yet explain grammar in Turkish. I would if I could.
The fact that "thank you" doesn´t always appear doesn´t mean I´m not grateful. If you pay close attention, you will even notice a "wow", for example.
People usually only see what they want to see and vice verse. Most so-called adults are not honest either. They are usually busy protecting their damaged ego. I don´t mind. I can accept all living beings.
You obviously have a certain idea about me, but you are so mistaken. I didn´t realize you are so sensitive although I tried to explain that I am simply busy playing with language and oh, are there people behind all this? I sometimes forget about that. Sorry.
I do have huge "balls", though . How come there is no one now who feels the need to tell you that you should read the forum rules? Are we all treated equally? I think not, but that´s reality. We all know what they do with people who have autism in countries such as Romania ...
I am a person with autism and that doesn´t mean I am antisocial, but I sometimes forget how sensitive neurotypical people can be. It must be complicated for you to experience so many shared emotions all the time. I am glad of not having to go through all that. My emotions are very short-lived as well: I can have a fight with someone and forget about it 5 minutes later in order for me to continue interacting with that very same person without a grudge.
please be polite here
it isnt neither place and neither time for express such of things
if you want to say something without conection with turkish language, please, go and write at the proper section of forum
I started learning Turkish a month ago and can not yet explain grammar in Turkish. I would if I could.
The fact that "thank you" doesn´t always appear doesn´t mean I´m not grateful. If you pay close attention, you will even notice a "wow", for example.
People usually only see what they want to see and vice verse. Most so-called adults are not honest either. They are usually busy protecting their damaged ego. I don´t mind. I can accept all living beings.
You obviously have a certain idea about me, but you are so mistaken. I didn´t realize you are so sensitive although I tried to explain that I am simply busy playing with language and oh, are there people behind all this? I sometimes forget about that. Sorry.
I do have huge "balls", though . How come there is no one now who feels the need to tell you that you should read the forum rules? Are we all treated equally? I think not, but that´s reality. We all know what they do with people who have autism in countries such as Romania ...
I am a person with autism and that doesn´t mean I am antisocial, but I sometimes forget how sensitive neurotypical people can be. It must be complicated for you to experience so many shared emotions all the time. I am glad of not having to go through all that. My emotions are very short-lived as well: I can have a fight with someone and forget about it 5 minutes later in order for me to continue interacting with that very same person without a grudge.
You seem like an intelligent person. You should know this there is a way of doing everything. You can criticise our English. Maybe you do it because you want to help. But your style is wrong. You must be kind. Maybe you think there is no need for it. And maybe you think critcising a person´s English doesn´t mean criticising that person. Theorically you are right. But don´t forget we are egoist creatures. When you criticise our English, we feel you criticise us too. Because of authism it seems you lack empathy and you don´t have strong emotions. But learning how to behave is not about emotions. You just have to use your brain. If you don´t want to behave properly, noone will help you after a while.
Let´s not exaggerate the situation. Yarvik has not insulted any one, just there may be a misinterpretation of his comments. He likes commenting on people´s english as it is apparent that we do mistakes and he is a native english speaker. maybe, as this is a language site although turkish, he feels the need to correct english mistakes. We can take his corrections and accept him as he is. Some people just do not feel the need to say "thank you" all the time. some may think that it is normal that we help other people here as this site is meant for that.
I see that it has not been a long time that he is on this site and I have not observed that he particularly insulted people and I don´t think that his intention of being here is that. You post me "please buy a new brain" to justify that he indeed insulted people but in fact before judging a person, we have to look at the event as a whole. He used this phrase after what elenagabriela said after all his explanations about his condition. He longly explained his situation and then what she wrote was ridiculous like she has not read what he wrote. Her answer was very irrelevant.
Yarvik364
The fact that "thank you" doesn´t always appear doesn´t mean I´m not grateful. If you pay close attention, you will even notice a "wow", for example.
People usually only see what they want to see and vice verse. Most so-called adults are not honest either. They are usually busy protecting their damaged ego. I don´t mind. I can accept all living beings.
You obviously have a certain idea about me, but you are so mistaken. I didn´t realize you are so sensitive although I tried to explain that I am simply busy playing with language and oh, are there people behind all this? I sometimes forget about that. Sorry.
I do have huge "balls", though . How come there is no one now who feels the need to tell you that you should read the forum rules? Are we all treated equally? I think not, but that´s reality. We all know what they do with people who have autism in countries such as Romania ...
I am a person with autism and that doesn´t mean I am antisocial, but I sometimes forget how sensitive neurotypical people can be. It must be complicated for you to experience so many shared emotions all the time. I am glad of not having to go through all that. My emotions are very short-lived as well: I can have a fight with someone and forget about it 5 minutes later in order for me to continue interacting with that very same person without a grudge.
elenagabriela:
"please be polite here
it isnt neither place and neither time for express such of things
if you want to say something without conection with turkish language, please, go and write at the proper section of forum
thank you"
and oh yes autism can be an excuse for not being equally sensitive to events. politeness is something very relative, it can differ a lot from culture to culture, let alone autism.
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and I hate people who use their "conditions" as excuses.
if he knows it is wrong and blame autism with a long winded explination then he should be able to avoid said situations.
there are some conditions that can pass as an excuse for doing or not doing something.
Knowing that doing something is wrong does not necessarily prevent you doing something: like people who suffer from kleptomania. they know that stealing is bad but it does not prevent them from stealing.
Thank you for your honesty but you don´t understand what autism entails. You have no idea what you are talking about, really you don´t, believe me. English is only my 4th lingo, by the way.
Oh I understand full well, I have been around autistic people all my life and my godson has autism so don´t be so quick to say what I do and do not understand and Turkish will by my 5th language and just to up you one more I am learning languages with dyslexia but it has not stopped me just gave me a challenge
Of course you lynch me, but I am used to being lynched. You should have seen the situation I was in at school )))) ....
Primates want to expel genetically inferior members of the group. That is how God intended the world to be. It is natural, but cruel and uncivilized (or so we think nowadays). It is also cruel to kill animals for our pleasure. Same thing.
You offended people yarvik. In the beginning we all helped you. I am against all kind of discrimination.
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. How come there is no one now who feels the need to tell you that you should read the forum rules? Are we all treated equally? I think not, but that´s reality. We all know what they do with people who have autism in countries such as