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1.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 03:40 am

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2.       mltm
3690 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 12:15 pm

lol

3.       Teach-er
93 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 12:20 pm

at least three beloved.

 

Recep Tayyip Erdogan use this number for child.

He wants at least 3 children from  marrieds.

4.       sashk
12 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 02:13 pm

Are all Turkish men this hot? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

5.       Laleler
84 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 03:42 pm

he did no say at least 3 sweathearts, why did you change it, foreigners do not know the truth, so they may think it is true.

in real he said at least 3 childeren to families.

6.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 06:02 pm

 

Quoting Laleler

he did no say at least 3 sweathearts, why did you change it, foreigners do not know the truth, so they may think it is true.

in real he said at least 3 childeren to families.

 

Good advice, but how people will afford to have 3 kids ? What about people who are living on minumum wage ? They can´t even afford filling their stomach, how will they able to send their kids to school ? buy clothes for them, feed them, pay their expenses ? Such a populistic approach just like mocking people !

 

 

7.       stumpy
638 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 07:59 pm

Quote: melissa_oz

Good advice, but how people will afford to have 3 kids ? What about people who are living on minumum wage ? They can´t even afford filling their stomach, how will they able to send their kids to school ? buy clothes for them, feed them, pay their expenses ? Such a populistic approach just like mocking people !

What will happen if you let your financial situation dictate your familly situation?  If you are on minimum wage and you arlready have 2 children, what then, will you get an abortion because you will not be able to feed, dress, educate and love the third child?  Considering a child like a financial burden, now that is egostistical.

It is a situation that is occuring in China right now, the goverment imposed a 1 child policy to  alleviate social, economic, and environmental problems in China.  The first thing the woman does when she is pregnant with her first child is have an ultrasound if she can afford it to find out if it is a boy or a girl.  If it is a girl she gets an abortion.  If she cannot have an ultrasound because she does not have money, when the girl is born, she is thrown away like trash because it was not a boy.  That is mocking people and dictating what they can or cannot do.

If you have love enought for 1 or 2 children there is more than enough love for more children and the rest is circumstantial.  I am surrounded by friends who have 3 to 6 children and they are not making very much money but the diffrence with other of my friends that only have 1 or 2 children for economic reasons is the love.  The love in the homes of my friends with 3 or more children is more palpable and heartfelt because they they know the true meaning of wealth and riches.  They do not need the latest trend toys and clothing, they do not eat fancy expensive foods but they are loved and they love back.  Those friends who only have 1 or 2 children think that love is measured by what they have to wear and what fancy foods they eat or toys they have.

8.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 08:41 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

What will happen if you let your financial situation dictate your familly situation?  If you are on minimum wage and you arlready have 2 children, what then, will you get an abortion because you will not be able to feed, dress, educate and love the third child?  Considering a child like a financial burden, now that is egostistical.

It is a situation that is occuring in China right now, the goverment imposed a 1 child policy to  alleviate social, economic, and environmental problems in China.  The first thing the woman does when she is pregnant with her first child is have an ultrasound if she can afford it to find out if it is a boy or a girl.  If it is a girl she gets an abortion.  If she cannot have an ultrasound because she does not have money, when the girl is born, she is thrown away like trash because it was not a boy.  That is mocking people and dictating what they can or cannot do.

If you have love enought for 1 or 2 children there is more than enough love for more children and the rest is circumstantial.  I am surrounded by friends who have 3 to 6 children and they are not making very much money but the diffrence with other of my friends that only have 1 or 2 children for economic reasons is the love.  The love in the homes of my friends with 3 or more children is more palpable and heartfelt because they they know the true meaning of wealth and riches.  They do not need the latest trend toys and clothing, they do not eat fancy expensive foods but they are loved and they love back.  Those friends who only have 1 or 2 children think that love is measured by what they have to wear and what fancy foods they eat or toys they have.

 

 

Olayı küçük emraha bağlamak istemiyorum ama , 

What will happen when your kids comes home from school and tell you about her friends fancy dresses, shoes [considering the kids will not have to wear school uniforms soon] and you , as a mother , knowing that you cant afford to buy such clothes for your kids, will you not feel terribly bitter ? 

Will you not blame yourself while your kids ask you to buy things and you cant while others can buy for their kids ? 

will your heart not cry inside when you see your kids have to study himself while other kids go to courses ? 

I dont want to dramatise it more but that is the reality.

I am not against to having kids but it is better to have kids when you can afford to have. And dont forget , we are adviced to have AT LEAST 3 , not less than 3. 

 

9.       stumpy
638 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 09:26 pm

Not having money did not prevent my parents from loving me and my siblings less , we did not feel inferior because our clothes were not as pretty or as new as the other kids, we did not get less of an education.  We were not rich but we knew what the important things were and are. 

This is something taht has stayed with me and taugh me what is important in life and this is what I am passing on.

If your heart breaks and you feel bitter because you cannot get your children the latest trendy cloths and toys, then maybe your prioreties is not on the right things.  And if your children do not understand why you cannot get them those things then maybe it is time you explain to them the realety of life, you would be surprised how much they understand.

10.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 09:34 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

Not having money did not prevent my parents from loving me and my siblings less , we did not feel inferior because our clothes were not as pretty or as new as the other kids, we did not get less of an education.  We were not rich but we knew what the important things were and are. 

This is something taht has stayed with me and taugh me what is important in life and this is what I am passing on.

If your heart breaks and you feel bitter because you cannot get your children the latest trendy cloths and toys, then maybe your prioreties is not on the right things.  And if your children do not understand why you cannot get them those things then maybe it is time you explain to them the realety of life, you would be surprised how much they understand.

I was not an understanding boy. I always wanted the fancy things that other kids had

 

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11.       Abla
3648 posts
 17 Feb 2013 Sun 11:39 pm

Yes Erdoğan is a great populist. Even when he speaks abroad he speaks to Turks.

 

I see the populism of this comment differently, though. Recommending people to have more children in this overpopulated world always means encouraging to unsustainable development which in the long run is irresponsible no matter who says it.

 

I agree with stumpy, modesty in consuming is the best life style for both children and adults and if we don´t know yet how to find quality of life in immaterial things it is time to learn it. But I have a feeling there are places in this world where poor people just dream of putting their children to sleep with a full stomach.

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12.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 01:18 am

it was just a valentines day joke referring to 3 children advice. great joke though

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13.       mltm
3690 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 11:43 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

I was not an understanding boy. I always wanted the fancy things that other kids had

 

 

me too, when I was very young, I asked for everything I saw when I was out walking around with my mother. Everthing because I used to thinnk that if I asked for more, I would have more chances to get at least one

And when she said that she does not have money, I would tell her "Then go to the bank to get some, there are lots there!"{#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

14.       HaNNo
74 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 11:56 am

 

Quoting mltm

 

 

me too, when I was very young, I asked for everything I saw when I was out walking around with my mother. Everthing because I used to thinnk that if I asked for more, I would have more chances to get at least one

And when she said that she does not have money, I would tell her "Then go to the bank to get some, there are lots there!"{#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.doh} how stupid i am thinking that my 3 years old daughter is just a kid... so she has a plan just like yours mltm, I should have met you earlier.

 

15.       mltm
3690 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 01:10 pm

 

Quoting HaNNo

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.doh} how stupid i am thinking that my 3 years old daughter is just a kid... so she has a plan just like yours mltm, I should have met you earlier.

 

 

She must have even many more {#emotions_dlg.satisfied_nod}

16.       HaNNo
74 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 01:37 pm

 

Quoting mltm

 

 

She must have even many more {#emotions_dlg.satisfied_nod}

 

I knew i´m acting as an amateur mother but not a naive one {#emotions_dlg.laugh_at}... no one could be trusted nowadays

 

After what i´ve just realized i can say one kid is definitely enough.

17.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 02:13 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Yes Erdoğan is a great populist. Even when he speaks abroad he speaks to Turks.

 

I see the populism of this comment differently, though. Recommending people to have more children in this overpopulated world always means encouraging to unsustainable development which in the long run is irresponsible no matter who says it.

 

I agree with stumpy, modesty in consuming is the best life style for both children and adults and if we don´t know yet how to find quality of life in immaterial things it is time to learn it. But I have a feeling there are places in this world where poor people just dream of putting their children to sleep with a full stomach.

 

ECONOMIC BASIS FOR NUMBER OF KIDS - NO NEED TO CHECK YOUR BANK ACCOUNT FIRST

The way Islam has come to be interpreted and taught by the so called Islamic scholars is that the economical status of mother and father of a child, or the economic conditions of the family a child is born into, have no influence in what riches will be available to that child thruoughout his life.

All hinges on the concepts of "nasip" or "kısmet" which basically is what God wills for a person to have or not to have in life, totally independent of initial family economics.

Any man who believes this teaching to be true Islam, considers himself totally irresponsible for providing a future for his offsprings, and readily believes likes of RTE who ask them to exercise their manhood to its full, leavin God to take care of the rest.

See RTE´s own son ? God willed him to own a commercial size ship, at the age of 23. Beleve it or not, RTE had no finger in this deal !  {#emotions_dlg.you_smartass}

 

 



Edited (2/18/2013) by AlphaF
Edited (2/18/2013) by AlphaF

18.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 09:00 pm

There are many families in the world who are struggling to put food on the table.  It is wise not to have more children than you can afford.  Love does not fill your belly or put a roof over your head.  As far as having fancy clothes or toys...that doesn´t even enter your mind when your baby is crying for food you can´t buy. 

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19.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 18 Feb 2013 Mon 09:13 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

There are many families in the world who are struggling to put food on the table.  It is wise not to have more children than you can afford.  Love does not fill your belly or put a roof over your head.  As far as having fancy clothes or toys...that doesn´t even enter your mind when your baby is crying for food you can´t buy. 

 

Gerçekci ve akıllıca bir yaklaşım !. Wise and realist approach !

 

20.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 01:49 am

 

Quoting melissa_oz

 

 

Gerçekci ve akıllıca bir yaklaşım !. Wise and realist approach !

 

 

it is a materialist aproach rather than a wise one.

what is the mimimum income and property to have children?

and to be realistic, the future is unpredictable. we may have enough money, a good job, a car, a home etc now. so we can have 3 or more children! what if we lose our job and all or most of our property. it is always possible, so we shoud never have any children to prevent their possible suffering. what a logic! you make plans but destiny has plans, too!



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