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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 May 2013 Fri 10:25 am

Demonstrations to prevent the demolition of a park on Istanbul´s Taksim Square, which is due to be replaced with a shopping mall, entered their third day with police using tear gas at the break of dawn. However, the attack seems to have backfired, triggering more participation in the demonstrations during the day, which continued peacefully and festively.
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However, the demolition of the park was halted around 8 a.m. in the morning, after Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) Istanbul Deputy Sırrı Süreyya Önder stood in front of the bulldozers, for a second day.
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Meanwhile, the main opposition Republican People’s Party announced May 30 that every day at least one CHP deputy would attend the protests and be on duty to prevent the demolition. ..
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Gezi Park is a small area, Forestry and Waterworks Minister Veysel Eroğlu said, adding that there was only a limited number of trees.
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/raid-on-occupy-taksim-park-demonstrators-triggers-outcry.aspx?PageID=238&NID=47870&NewsCatID=341

 

http://www.bianet.org/english/environment/147016-demonstrators-plant-trees-against-destruction-in-taksim-gezi-park

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Times and Turkish people have changed but the state and the people who run the state are same old same old.

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2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 May 2013 Fri 10:08 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22737117

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22732139

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3.       Abla
3648 posts
 31 May 2013 Fri 11:53 pm

Two questions:

 

1. Do you think it will get serious?

 

2. I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections? Why don´t they just wait for the next election and win it? (I do understand this rumbling is a result of an attempt of violently dispersing a peaceful demonstration but it looks like there is a deeper dissatisfaction behind it.) Is it the same thing that happens in Arab countries: there is the young FB generation who knows what is best for everyone and then the huge masses who just vote for the wrong people time after time?



Edited (6/1/2013) by Abla

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4.       Faruk
1607 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 12:56 am

Because people are not democratic and do not respect other people.

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5.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 12:58 am

 

Quoting Faruk

Because people are not democratic and do not respect other people.

 

I am democratic but I still dont respect others



Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum

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6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 02:34 am

 

Quoting Abla

Two questions:

 

1. Do you think it will get serious?

 

2. I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections? Why don´t they just wait for the next election and win it? (I do understand this rumbling is a result of an attempt of violently dispersing a peaceful demonstration but it looks like there is a deeper dissatisfaction behind it.) Is it the same thing that happens in Arab countries: there is the young FB generation who knows what is best for everyone and then the huge masses who just vote for the wrong people time after time?

 

1-I think they are quite serious.. They are serious because they look like people who did not protest these things before. They are not political people..Seems like arab spring Turkey never had.

2-It is slightly different.. Turkey had a long history of authoritarian states and governments. This   government was elected with the promise of change and they did some change. But they have been in the power for so long and they started to use the same authoritarian behaviour towards people.. Taksim park is one of them. They wont consult people..They think they can do anything because they have 50% of the vote.  But people have changed.. They know that they have right to protest and they are protesting for a right cause.. They want something from the state and the state is much more concerned about the money they can get from a mall in the middle of Istanbul. The government is making a huge mistake..

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7.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 02:38 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

1-I think they are quite serious.. They are serious because they look like people who did not protest these things before. They are not political people..Seems like arab spring Turkey never had.

2-It is slightly different.. Turkey had a long history of authoritarian states and governments. This   government was elected with the promise of change and they did some change. But they have been in the power for so long and they started to use the same authoritarian behaviour towards people.. Taksim park is one of them. They wont consult people..They think they can do anything because they have 50% of the vote.  But people have changed.. They know that they have right to protest and they are protesting for a right cause.. They want something from the state and the state is much more concerned about the money they can get from a mall in the middle of Istanbul. The government is making a huge mistake..

Good morning handsome. It took some time you to open your eyes.

 



Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 02:58 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

Good morning handsome. It took some time you to open your eyes.

 

 

Beg your pardon?

9.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:06 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Beg your pardon?

 

You know what I mean. You liberals have responsibiliy in this situation too.

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:17 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

You know what I mean. You liberals have responsibiliy in this situation too.

 

I dont think you get it.. I have serious doubts that you will ever get it..

 

11.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:54 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I dont think you get it.. I have serious doubts that you will ever get it..

 

 

I understand it very good handsome. I hope you will understand one day too. 



Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum

12.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:56 am

Yetmez ama evet

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:06 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

I understand it very good handsome. I hope you will understand one day too. 

 

I told you you dont..

Look.. you never ever understood what the liberalizm is.. You never ever understood what the left is.. You never ever understood what the faschism and racism are.. And you still dont get it and you think those people who are protesting will ever sport your old racist, authoritarian, archaic fascist  regime? . You still dont understand!!! same as the folk song you never ever understood what they are all about!! You get soft where people sing those songs with clenched  fists!! 

 



Edited (6/1/2013) by thehandsom

14.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:09 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I told you you dont..

Look.. you never ever understood what the liberalizm is.. You never ever understood what the left is.. You never ever understood what the faschism and racism are.. And you still dont get it and you think those people who are protesting will ever sport your old racist, authoritarian, archaic fascist  regime? . You still dont understand!!! same as the folk song you never ever understood what they are all about!! You get soft where people sing those songs with thight fists!! 

 

 

These are all empty words. I would like to talk more openly but I dont feel safe anymore in this country. All I will say is history will judge you Turkish liberals.

15.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:17 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

These are all empty words. I would like to talk more openly but I dont feel safe anymore in this country. All I will say is history will judge you Turkish liberals.

 

Look..  You still dont know what you are talking about..

This is not about you missing the calls and thinking that you had a democracy and AKP got the election and stole it from you!! What you had was a "faschism". what kinds it was? It was a patrisyen faschism in which thousand of people got killed on the side of the roads with bullets in their heads or died in tortures..(BUt people TOLD you that it was a democracy and you sheepishly believed it) Now we have pleb faschism.. OK? Do you know what it is? Do you know how the democracy comes into a country?  Have you ever thought of these things? have you ever read about these things?

Do you know that those constitution you are trying to protect is a faschist constitution of all constitutions ?

 



Edited (6/1/2013) by thehandsom

16.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:31 am

Peaceful protesters + Harsh government reaction = innocent people getting hurt.   

This is a sad day for Turkey.  In my opinion, it shows just how unstable and out of touch the government really is.

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17.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:31 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Look..  You still dont know what you are talking about..

This is not about you missing the calls and thinking that you had a democracy and AKP got the election and stole it from you!! What you had was a "faschism". what kinds it was? It was a patrisyen faschism in which thousand of people got killed on the side of the roads with bullets in their heads or died in tortures..(BUt people TOLD you that it was a democracy and you sheepishly believed it) Now we have pleb faschism.. OK? Do you know what it is? Do you know how the democracy comes into a country?  Have you ever thought of these things? have you ever read about these things?

Do you know that those constitution you are trying to protect is a faschist constitution of all constitutions ?

 

 

I am against all kinds of fascism. I dont prefer one to other. Now look at my situation. I am even afraid to speak my mind openly. You had a role in this. I am angry at you.

18.       giz
61 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 08:12 am

korkup da söyleyemediğin ne var ki gök?{#emotions_dlg.sad}

19.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 08:48 am

Valla çok şey var. Açtırma kutuyu söyletme kötüyü. Özellikle de şu liberal kesime büyük tepkim var. 



Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum

20.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 11:33 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

Valla çok şey var. Açtırma kutuyu söyletme kötüyü. Özellikle de şu liberal kesime büyük tepkim var. 

 

When people got killed they got killed because of you did not protest!!!

People got tortured because people like you were silent..

And and.. The more importantly the liberals are not the ones to blame..

The crowd out there are not the people who are supporting generals in Silivri or they are not the people who supported the army made faschist constitution..

21.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 11:39 am

 

Quoting giz

korkup da söyleyemediğin ne var ki gök?{#emotions_dlg.sad}

 

Adam soselerde, sokak kenarlarinda kafalarina mermi sIKILMIS binlerce insan  icin en ufak bir empati gostermemis, onca yildir dusunce ozgurlugu icin yapilan hic bir seyin icerisinde yer almamis, 301 den insanlar iceri alinip iskencelerden gecirilirken cikipta bu 301 degismesin diyen insanlarin ´agzimi acamiyorum ya´ demesindeki gerabeti de yaz yaz bitiremez insan.

22.       harp00n
3993 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 11:41 am

Bu kadar hassassın madem, bıdı bıdı konuşmayı bırak gel sende katıl protestocular arasına. Yap eylemini olsun bitsin...

23.       ninja
157 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 11:46 am

Just knew about this. Got the news this morning, can´t imagine what took it so long to let the other parts of the world know about this.

hey hairy thanks for the links.

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24.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:54 pm

 

Quoting harp00n

Bu kadar hassassın madem, bıdı bıdı konuşmayı bırak gel sende katıl protestocular arasına. Yap eylemini olsun bitsin...

 

Katildik ve yaptik herhalde!!

Sizlerde  hassasiyet falan hak getire. Bunu biliyoruz. Ama madem ki kulturel bilinciniz, donaniminiz ve kapasiteniz de yok, ne diye laf sokusturmaya  calisirsiniz birader?

Sesinizi cikarmadan oturun.

Bilmiyorum deseniz, fikrim yok deseniz olmayacak sanki.

25.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 03:55 pm

 

Quoting ninja

Just knew about this. Got the news this morning, can´t imagine what took it so long to let the other parts of the world know about this.

hey hairy thanks for the links.

 

Welcome Ninja

26.       harp00n
3993 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:36 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Katildik ve yaptik herhalde!!

Sizlerde  hassasiyet falan hak getire. Bunu biliyoruz. Ama madem ki kulturel bilinciniz, donaniminiz ve kapasiteniz de yok, ne diye laf sokusturmaya  calisirsiniz birader?

Sesinizi cikarmadan oturun.

Bilmiyorum deseniz, fikrim yok deseniz olmayacak sanki.

 

Şimdi anlıyorum senin "gaz" hassasiyetini... Çıkarması zor oluyor haliyle... Belkide sadece "gaz" değildir, kim bilir..? O da sana kalsın artık.

 



Edited (6/1/2013) by harp00n

27.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:46 pm

 

Quoting harp00n

 

 

Şimdi anlıyorum senin "gaz" hassasiyetini... Çıkarması zor oluyor haliyle... Belkide sadece "gaz" değildir, kim bilir..? O da sana kalsın artık.

 

 

Tekrar soyluyorum bak: Bu halin ile, bu kultur ile, bu yetenek ile sen laf falan sokmaya calismayi bir kenara birak ve efendi efendi bilmiyorum, dusunemiyorum de cekil kenara. Ayip degil o sekilde konusmak..

28.       harp00n
3993 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 04:58 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Tekrar soyluyorum bak: Bu halin ile, bu kultur ile, bu yetenek ile sen laf falan sokmaya calismayi bir kenara birak ve efendi efendi bilmiyorum, dusunemiyorum de cekil kenara. Ayip degil o sekilde konusmak..

 

Yavaş gel....

29.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:11 pm

Handsome you think you are so wise and you think we havent even opened a book in our lives. You think we are ignorant. But let me tell you this. I read more than one hundred books in a year. I just dont read them I also recommend the ones I like in twitter. Look at the link below. These are the books I finished and recommended. It is more then 400 in 2,5 years. There are also other books I read but didnt recommend. You dont know with who you are dancing:

 

https://twitter.com/kitaponerileri

 

 

 

 

 



Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (6/1/2013) by gokuyum

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30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:27 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Handsome you think you are so wise and you think we havent even opened a book in our lives. You think we are ignorant. But let me tell you this. I read more than one hundred books in a year. I just dont read them I also recommend the ones I like in twitter. Look at the link below. These are the books I finished and recommended. It is more then 400 in 2,5 years. There are also other books I read but didnt recommend. You dont know with who you are dancing:

 

https://twitter.com/kitaponerileri

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG.. I am so scared now.. Shivering, trembling with fear..Brrrrr..

Look.. This is not a beauty or a popularity contest here. If you have nothing to say, just dont force yourself that you have to say something.. Simple as that.

31.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:31 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

OMG.. I am so scared now.. Shivering, trembling with fear..Brrrrr..

Look.. This is not a beauty or a popularity contest here. If you have nothing to say, just dont force yourself that you have to say something.. Simple as that.

 

Then don´t act so wise and don´t blame people of being ignorant. We don´t live in Europe like you. Thanks to you freedom of speech died here.

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:35 pm

http://www.bianet.org/english/crisis/147106-taksim-gezi-park-resistance-spreads-across-turkey

The state gives in..Police leave Taksim square.

http://www.milliyet.tv/video-izle/CANLI-YAYIN-43GjMYWbIf3z.html (tv camera)

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/06/201361133525128709.html Turkey PM urges end to protests amid clashes

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33.       alameda
3499 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 06:01 pm

There have been demonstrations all over the world, Turkey is not unique in that respect. Certainly, look at what happened in California with the pepper spray in the faces of peaceful students, the Marine Vet in Occupy Oakland, CA....

To me, these things are very sad, I wonder if there aren´t others who are jumping up and down with glee at seeing the disruption in Turkey. It looks like the plan for the New Middle East is well on it´s way. Maybe the exact borders have changed a bit, but it looks like the general idea seems to be intact. 

I am reminded of Herman Göring´s quote: 

"......, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists (or conservatives, different ethnicities, religion groups...and on and on) for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

I wonder just who are these leaders?

.....keep fanning the sparks and you will get flames.  



Edited (6/2/2013) by alameda [add]

34.       burakk
309 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 03:32 am

 

Quoting Abla

Two questions:

 

1. Do you think it will get serious?

 

2. I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections? Why don´t they just wait for the next election and win it? (I do understand this rumbling is a result of an attempt of violently dispersing a peaceful demonstration but it looks like there is a deeper dissatisfaction behind it.) Is it the same thing that happens in Arab countries: there is the young FB generation who knows what is best for everyone and then the huge masses who just vote for the wrong people time after time?

 

1- its already really serious

 

2- these people have been waiting for 3 elections and still no result. same violence, same arrests, same pushes. the day before yesterday, it had nothing to do with government or whatever just some nature lovers were making a simple sitting/standing protest. but the same night at 4am police raided their camp with tear gas and demolished their tents. not only that, as they were running away they shot water cannons behind them on their heads. not one single stone has been thrown till that point. then of course, it stopped being a simple nature bussiness and became the last drop of many chain reactions.. syria, reyhanlı, the fake "peace process", the kurd love, american privatization, the illegalization of 19 may and other national holidays, the attacks on anyone with a turkish flag, the illegalization of the turkish flag and everything with the name "turkish" on it.. and etc. and of course everybody got on their feet and rushed to the streets. the simple fact that they didnt move 1 finger when the pkk supporters rallied all over the country with apo posters and every shit, burned people with molotovs and then police reacting to chp/mhp/hepar/etc simple because they are what they are, is a whole reason to rage. tayyip comes, fools people with pasta, coal and whatever the crap promises and the slightly more educated part of the population just cant bear to see the other half being fooled so unrightfully. they say they finished terror: the terror increased fastest in their time. they said they finished unemplyoement: the unemployement rate of 2001 is lower than right now. they lie. they sneak their way into peoples votes and they fake party memberships. also once they get elected, they act much differently than how they promised or talked. none of the people who voted for him could have calculated his attidute in reyhanlı or with his dealings with pkk.

 

they said they were for Muslims but they supported an even tried to take part in iraq invasion. they said "we dont talk with apo" and then the next week they say "talking to apo is the only way". millions of lies like this. people are out of trust. people are afraid and angry.

 

im sure you really dont think that things are as simple as "wait for the next elections" in turkey. it would be fooling yourself. turkey changes everyday. 4 years is too long for us to be patient and too short for them to iron fist their positions.

 

 

agent orange canister

https://twitter.com/erdeemonline/status/340941546968985601/photo/1

https://twitter.com/aleyna_tuna/status/340957342789160960/photo/1

 

https://twitter.com/zencefilvefare/status/340945566001397760/photo/1

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=334758616627393&set=a.327099230726665.1073741828.327098650726723&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

 

http://www.bianet.org/bianet/insan-haklari/147129-ankara-da-15-i-agir-414-yarali

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151502368263731

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdaYmVHqKg

 

anyway there are many links im sure you can access from everywhere. its difficult to understand the situation with a numbified mind but some of these news wake it up

 

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35.       Faruk
1607 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 05:52 am

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free." 

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out. 

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now. 

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these? 

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again. 

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

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36.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 07:35 am

Why is your post out of the borders here. it´s not possible to read the whole thing. The end of the sentances are cut off. 

Quoting burakk

 

37.       LonsingerAmber
34 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 12:07 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Handsome you think you are so wise and you think we havent even opened a book in our lives. You think we are ignorant. But let me tell you this. I read more than one hundred books in a year. I just dont read them I also recommend the ones I like in twitter. Look at the link below. These are the books I finished and recommended. It is more then 400 in 2,5 years. There are also other books I read but didnt recommend. You dont know with who you are dancing:

 

https://twitter.com/kitaponerileri

 

 

 

 

 

 100 kitaplar per year, that´s twenty-five every three months, or 2/3 books a 

week!  thehandsome is dancing with a kitap delisi ....

38.       LonsingerAmber
34 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 12:09 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free."

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out.

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now.

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these?

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again.

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

 

 Heartbreaker man {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

39.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:04 pm

 

Quoting LonsingerAmber

 

 100 kitaplar per year, that´s twenty-five every three months, or 2/3 books a 

week!  thehandsome is dancing with a kitap delisi ....

Yeah and you see the proof in the link

 

40.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:14 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

 

You see things from your side faruk. But there is always another side. I cant describe the stress and unhappiness I exprience for years. Goverment does really some good joobs. They direct economy good, they improve health system and they loan a good amount of money to students. I appreciate all of them. But they really lack emphaty. They should be more tolarable to people who have different ideas. They dont want any opposition. Their response to any kind of opposition (even so small) is really harsh. You can´t act this much harsh against opposition in our modern age. I hope you can understand my feelings and my concerns.

 



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41.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:27 pm

 

Quoting LonsingerAmber

 

 100 kitaplar per year, that´s twenty-five every three months, or 2/3 books a 

week!  thehandsome is dancing with a kitap delisi ....

 

That is the reason I am "so" scared Amber!!! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

42.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:29 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

That is the reason I am "so" scared Amber!!! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

You should be. I have sharp teeth

 

43.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:35 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

You should be. I have sharp teeth

 

 

Instead of spending time with sharpening your teeth, I would recommend you to concantrate on improving your near zero sense of humor..

44.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:37 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Instead of spending time with sharpening your teeth, I would recommend you to concantrate on improving your near zero sense of humor..

 

Lets not personalise this topic. What is your opinion about Faruk´s post and my answer? I would like to know.



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45.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 02:29 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

Lets not personalise this topic. What is your opinion about Faruk´s post and my answer? I would like to know.

 

I dont think you have an answer up there.. Not worth for answering I am afraid. As I said, this is not a popularity contest. You should not force yourself to say something when you dont have an opinion.  However, Burakk and Faruk deserve answers as they both elaborated clearly what they thought about these events. Infact, they both are representing the sides of Turkey´s ideological fault line. I will try to express my opinion about their posts when I have time.

46.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 06:00 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I dont think you have an answer up there.. Not worth for answering I am afraid. As I said, this is not a popularity contest. You should not force yourself to say something when you dont have an opinion.  However, Burakk and Faruk deserve answers as they both elaborated clearly what they thought about these events. Infact, they both are representing the sides of Turkey´s ideological fault line. I will try to express my opinion about their posts when I have time.

 It seems you want to personalise things with me. I guess it hurted you so much I criticised you liberals{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} But I only told the truth and everybody knows it. 

 



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47.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 06:07 pm

This is for you handsome. You are no different than Dr. Frankenstein in my eyes

                Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley


A young Swiss student discovers the secret of animating lifeless matter and, by assembling body parts, creates a monster who vows revenge on his creator after being rejected from society.



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48.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 06:52 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 It seems you want to personalise things with me. I guess it hurted you so much I criticised you liberals{#emotions_dlg.lol_fast} But I only told the truth and everybody knows it. 

 

 

I really think this is not your cup of tea. {#emotions_dlg.koffie}

Yes.. I accept.. I am devestated with your comments.. You only told the truth.. Everybody knows it.. {#emotions_dlg.yes}

Since we established these facts, will you leave this alone? 

49.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 06:52 pm

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50.       harp00n
3993 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 10:30 pm

28 Mayıs´tan bugüne kadar 89 polis aracı, 42 özel araç zarar gördü. Bunların içinde 4 otobüs, 18 belediye otobüsü, 15 kamu aracı (kamu aracının içinde hasta taşıyan ve taşlanan bir ambulans var), 94 iş yeri, bir konut, bir polis merkezi ve 4 siyasi parti binası saldırılar sonucu zarar gördü.

Saldıranlar kimler ?

Ulusalcılar mı ?

Ya ırkçılar olabilir mi ?

Ya da faşizm karşıtı olanlar ?

 

Bunların içinde; hassasiyeti yüksek, kültürel bilinci, donanımı ve kapasitesi olan hangi gurupsa o sanırım...

Gerçi ben ne bilirim ??? {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

51.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 10:33 pm

More on this :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22744728 (Turkey protesters return to Ankara and Istanbul streets)

..“[They say] Tayyip Erdogan is a dictator. If they call one who serves the people a dictator, I cannot say anything,” said the Prime Minister during a televised speech. Erdogan insisted the project to revamp Gezi Park would go on despite the protests. “We will build a mosque in Taksim and we do not need the permission of the CHP [Republican People’s Party, the main opposition party in Parliament] or of a few bums to do it.”..


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkeys-pm-dismisses-protesters-as-just-a-few-looters-8641336.html



In a series of television appearances following the occupation of Taksim Square, Recep Tayyip Erdogan dismissed protesters as “looters”, described Twitter as a “curse” and branded anyone who drank alcohol an alcoholic.
...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/59d34ed8-cbab-11e2-8ff3-00144feab7de.html

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I think PM still did not understand why people are protesting and his comments are inflammatory. Or his leadership had a huge blow and he is trying reverse it.. I think people realize that what this person can do if he is a president with power. 

And the other important thing is that this time, none of his deputies are coming to defend him. That is really strange. Normally many of them would say something about the events. But not this time.. He is almost acting alone!!

52.       mehmet111
195 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 10:58 pm

Bu arada yalnızca birkaç kanal bu olayla ilgili sürekli yayın yapıyor. Böyle olağanüstü bir günde normal yayın akışına devam etmek iyi bir şey değil.

 

By the way, just a few channels are doing broadcast about these events. It´s not a good thing to go on the normal broadcasting in a such extraordinary day.

53.       harp00n
3993 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 11:27 pm

 

Quoting mehmet111

Bu arada yalnızca birkaç kanal bu olayla ilgili sürekli yayın yapıyor. Böyle olağanüstü bir günde normal yayın akışına devam etmek iyi bir şey değil.

 

By the way, just a few channels are doing broadcast about these events. It´s not a good thing to go on the normal broadcasting in a such extraordinary day.

 

Delikanlı, ne kadar haber gördün İngiltere´deki olaylarla ilgili İngiliz basınında ? BBC kesti mi yayınını ? Ya da ITV ?

 

54.       mehmet111
195 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 11:41 pm

Quote:

Delikanlı, ne kadar haber gördün İngiltere´deki olaylarla ilgili İngiliz basınında ? BBC kesti mi yayınını ? Ya da ITV ?

 

 

Başka ülkelerdeki televizyonlar bizi ilgilendirmez. Burası Türkiye ve onlar Türk kanalları.

 

The televisions which are in the other countries aren´t our business. Here is Turkey and they are Turkish channels.



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55.       harp00n
3993 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 11:47 pm

Genç olmak işte bu, seviyorum onları ben

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56.       burakk
309 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 01:33 am

 

Quoting Faruk

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free." 

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out. 

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now. 

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these? 

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again. 

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

 

 

yes those are the very same lies they used to win the hearts of the various poor people, alongside coal and pasta. thinking that theres no freedom of religion for akp people in a country with 99% Muslims would be outright dumb.

 

but none of this counts when terror keeps rising and people keep getting poor, country getting divided and privatization taking over. this is the explosion. those "poor" people who have beeen waiting for decades have scored the biggest thefts in this country.

 

if "waiting for the elctions" is the democratic way to solve things then protesting against bulslhit is also a democratic way to express oneself. but come and look at the tons of teargas, batons, bullets, stones, tomas and all the shit that these protestors are facing. nothing wouldve happaned if they werent hit first. so you think when people want to raise their voice they should wait for the democratic resolve but when government has nothing to do with democracy to begin with its ok? thats extremey subjective and one sided.

57.       burakk
309 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 01:41 am

i mean just take a look at some of the images here http://imgur.com/a/wOrZR#0

if you think people are overreacting to that, you really havent seen what police is doing.

 

 

58.       Faruk
1607 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 02:50 am

 

Quoting burakk

i mean just take a look at some of the images here http://imgur.com/a/wOrZR#0

if you think people are overreacting to that, you really havent seen what police is doing.

 

 

I know, I said I´m not denying that the police acted wrong at first. But this after that some violent provocators saw an opportunity and made this a chaos.

I don´t think the police would just stop against those who did these damages:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295611_656854374328364_419768984_n.jpg

This is only a few. I saw on the news this evning that in İzmir and Antalya, they damaged many properties inluding shops, banks, and other properties. And there are hundreds coming towards them with stones, bottles and other heavy things to throw and hurt. That´s just crazy! 

 

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59.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 10:48 am

 

Clashes erupted between police and protestors in Istanbul´s Beşiktaş district in the early hours of this morning, Doğan news agency has reported.

Many citizens and students heading to their jobs and schools have been affected by tear gas used by police against protesters while traffic police on Dolmabahçe Street were wearing masks to avoid the gas.

..

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanbul-starts-seventh-day-of-protests-with-tear-gas-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48087&NewsCatID=341

...

Outspoken American linguist and political philosopher Noam Chomsky has condemned the brutal police crackdown on protesters denouncing the demolition of Taksim Gezi Park, saying it recalled "the most shameful moments of Turkish history."

"I would like to join Amnesty International and others who defend basic human rights in condemning the brutal measures of the state authorities in response to the peaceful protests in Taksim in Central Istanbul," Chomsky said in a written statement June 1.

.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/gezi-park-crackdown-recalls-most-shameful-moments-of-turkish-history-says-chomsky.aspx?PageID=238&NID=48018&NewsCatID=341

--

Istanbul’s stock exchange Borsa Istanbul (BIST) has started the week by falling sharply today as investors had concerns about the protests against some of the Turkish government’s policies.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/borsa-istanbul-fell-sharply-following-anti-government-protests-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48092&NewsCatID=346

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I think apart from anything, the falling of stock exchange  might trigger something for Erdogan. His party may think  he is  responsible for all of this single handedly. This might be the begining of a fall for Erdogan.

 

60.       trip
297 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 01:26 pm

I don´t know Turkey´s politics well enough to comment here, but I have to say that Erdoğan´s remark about Twitter makes him sound completely out of touch. It reminds me of remarks made by Mubarak early in the tumult in Egypt. I am not saying that this is anything like Egypt, but a message is certainly being sent, predominantly by the young, it seems. There is a new generation rising, and perhaps Mr. Erdoğan hasn´t kept up. He may find that is his undoing. ... I am reading a biography of Atatürk right now, and it is striking to me that it is nearly always the young who drive momentous change. 

61.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 08:02 pm

First official death

A Socialist Solidarity Platform (SODAP) member has been hit and killed after a car driver ignored warnings to stop for protesters organizing a Gezi Park solidarity demonstration in Ümraniye’s 1 Mayıs neighborhood, the Turkish Doctors’ Union (TTB) said today.

The victim, 20-year-old Mehmet Ayvalıtaş, is the first confirmed death in protests that have engulfed the entire country.

A statement released by TTB accused the government of conducting a provocative agenda, citing several remarks of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan which claimed he was “barely holding back the 50 percent” of the country that voted for him from coming onto the street. 

..

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/first-official-death-recorded-in-gezi-park-protests-turkish-doctors-union.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48106&NewsCatID=341

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I think AKP should get rid of Erdogan.. 

62.       stumpy
638 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 08:22 pm

20-year-old Mehmet Ayvalıtaş.

20 years old, what did he do to deserve death but to stand up for what he beleived in.

Too young to die and yet there are old relics who are still alive and have power for what?  To cut down a friggin park and build a shopping center and this is the drop that overflowed the collective cup.

Listen to your people Erdoğan, they are screaming to be heard and yet you turn a deaf ear.

That will be your downfall and hopefully no other young people will have to die for your stubborn deafness.

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63.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 08:36 pm

I am so sad for him. Another citizen with his car killed him. That is the result of hatred some people feeds. We should stop blaming each other and stop this violence. Yunus Emre, Rumi, Hacı Bayram Veli and many great Muslims didn´t blame anyone and they loved everybody as a brother or sister. We should act like them. As Yunus Emre said, we should say " Yaratılanı severim yaratadan ötürü". We can translate it like this "I love all creatures because God created them"



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64.       harp00n
3993 posts
 03 Jun 2013 Mon 09:27 pm

Sad accident...

65.       tomac
975 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 02:10 am

Quoting Abla

2. I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections? Why don´t they just wait for the next election and win it? (I do understand this rumbling is a result of an attempt of violently dispersing a peaceful demonstration but it looks like there is a deeper dissatisfaction behind it.) Is it the same thing that happens in Arab countries: there is the young FB generation who knows what is best for everyone and then the huge masses who just vote for the wrong people time after time?

 

I think that after next elections, Gezi park may be already gone. Laws can be then changed in this way or another, but in the meantime, people may suffer from them - and the same people, under another conditions, in another time or place, wouldn´t have to accept them and apologize for not following them.

(I have to agree, similar laws could be invented by me as well...)

If someone disagrees with me and tries to stop me from doing something, I´m quite often very annoyed (far too much than I should in my opinion) but I don´t routinely beat them up. It seems that often institutional power does not know any other way to solve its problems with "these people whom we have to tell what is right and what is wrong".

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66.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 04:05 am

I don´t want to comment on Turkish politics, as a foreigner, what do I really know about it? ...but I do hope for the best for the Turkish people.

This situation is horrible for all involved. It has to be hurting business, and through that, people´s personal economics. I would not want to be going there now if there were other options. Who wants to breath teargas or pepper spray? As things sprayed into the air spread through other areas, it would be very unhealthy for anyone without strong lungs. Then too, it can´t be good for healthy lungs either. 

We are all brothers, sisters, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers....It breaks my heart to see this...

Oğlan

 



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67.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 05:04 am

i am supporting to save that park and all its trees in taksim. i am against the municipality of istanbul to build shopping center whereever they pleases ignoring the public opinion.

 

but at the moment protests evolved into something else noone can describe. people with thick sticks and heavy stones destroying state propery and police cars, trying to kill policemen. some people came with empty beer bottles as if it was banned. some people showing apo posters (abdullah ocalan, leader of pkk terrorist org. ) there are many other strange things going on which i will never support.

 

we wait and see what will happen...

68.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 06:26 am

This is exactly what I have been fearing, the agent provocateurs are quick to jump on an opportunity to twist things to their advantage. I think many really believe, passionately, in their cause, but as I´ve learned in life, there are many facets to issues, not unlike well cut diamonds.

Quoting ikicihan

 

but at the moment protests evolved into something else noone can describe. people with thick sticks and heavy stones destroying state propery and police cars, trying to kill policemen. some people came with empty beer bottles as if it was banned. some people showing apo posters (abdullah ocalan, leader of pkk terrorist org. ) there are many other strange things going on which i will never support.

 

we wait and see what will happen...

 

 

69.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 09:16 am

I am worried about the role of the social media in these events. My Turkish friend´s Facebook account has gone wild. Many issues are opened with the words "please share this material because the official media is quiet about this". What do they mean? Turkey is not closed in any way, correspondents of respectable newspapers are there, and the events are well analysed. Everyone is a journalist these days. This gives too much power to circles who don´t want the situation to be settled down peacefully.

 

Besides, FB may give the wrong idea of democracy to people who are not used to political activity. Thousands of people pressing the same "like" button looks great but are these people ready to act in political parties in an organized way and reach those millions who live in another kind of reality? In the next elections the scattered opposition may end up still fingering their smartphones while the same old come and pick the fruit again. And then? Back to the streets?



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70.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 01:31 pm

 

Quoting ikicihan

i am supporting to save that park and all its trees in taksim. i am against the municipality of istanbul to build shopping center whereever they pleases ignoring the public opinion.

 

but at the moment protests evolved into something else noone can describe. people with thick sticks and heavy stones destroying state propery and police cars, trying to kill policemen. some people came with empty beer bottles as if it was banned. some people showing apo posters (abdullah ocalan, leader of pkk terrorist org. ) there are many other strange things going on which i will never support.

 

we wait and see what will happen...

 

How does one try to kill a trained profesional who wears a crash helmet and bullet proof vest; who carrıes a shield in one hand, a gun in his belt and a tear (or pepper) gas dispenser in his other hand ?

Empty beer cans will not be enough. Did demonstrators have attack rifles ?

Photo of a ferocious protestor, attacking 5 poor policemen simultaneously

 



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71.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 03:07 pm

I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections?

Abla

 

1. Existing laws governing elections in Turkey (Election Law & Law related with structuring of Political Parties) are agreed to be undemocratic by majority of the Parliment members, when they speak on TV,  as well as in public opinion; yet no effort seems to be made to bring them into order. Makes one suspicious, no ? 

2. Considering the bad smell from the last few  University Entrance Examinations and the fact that the chap leading the examining body is still keeping his job, a large portion of the public does not believe the results declared for (a) general elections and (b) university entrance exams are correct and fair. under this administration. 

You may be one of the very few who thinks the elections were democratic. You are therefore, perfectly right not to support the protestors !

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}



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72.       cadi
1 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 04:30 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free." 

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out. 

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now. 

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these? 

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again. 

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

faruk you are wrong in all of your claims. agent orange was most certainly used in istanbul this weekend, after they expended their supply of tear gas. i can show you pictures of the red puddles in the streets of taksim. there are no accounts of the protestors being violent at all, except for maybe throwing stones at the police whom are constantly gassing them. there was a march across the bosphorous bridge, I was there, and I can supply pictures that were never found before. and about the bombs in the house? that has happened too. last night in ankara the police launched a gas bomb into an open window of an unsuspecting home. you can even find videos on youtube. what are you getting at? what are you trying to defend so dearly that you have to blast such lies? 

 

73.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 05:07 pm

Quote: cadi

agent orange was most certainly used in istanbul

 

if agent orange was used you would have serious injuries as exposure to agent orange causes seriouse blistering and this does not seem to have happened since agent orange is a defoliant

what was used was a tear gas with an orange die in it, if the Turkish authoreties would have used agent orange they would have had the rest of the world´s governing bodies up their peverbial asses.

It is reported "an orange colored gas was being fired"



Edited (6/4/2013) by stumpy

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74.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 05:23 pm

Maybe it was pepper gas? It burns a great deal and is red. It´s very popular these days. 

Agent orange is quite deadly.

Quoting stumpy

if agent orange was used you would have serious injuries as exposure to agent orange causes seriouse blistering and this does not seem to have happened.

what was used was a tear gas with an orange die in it, if the Turkish authoreties would have used agent orange they would have had the rest of the world´s governing bodies up their peverbial asses.

 

 

75.       stumpy
638 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 05:25 pm

that is what I am saying alameda, but contrary to pepper gas, agent orange is a defoliant, it kills vegetarion so if it comes into contact with the skin, contrary to pepper gas which will wash off with water, agent orange will litteraly burn the skin off

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76.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 05:43 pm

Faruk,


There is a democracy problem in Turkey.


Turkish Army, media, burocracy, legal system, universities  have been totally punished and disintegrated for having and exercising "so called" undemocratic powers over politicians - not to pave way for real democracy but to transfer the same totalitarian trends and detested powers to somebody else. This crap is called "Alaturka Başkanlık Sistemi"


What we are left with is a police force rumored to be loyal to certain religious ideologies (not religion).


Even the parliment is punished; legally elected representatives are in prison, with ridiculus claims and never ending funny legal proceedings. Brains like Dr. Haberal are in jail, while weird Deans in Karabük University are awarding academic degrees to old Ottoman Sultans of no historical distinction.


What is the logic behind naming the new Boshorus Bridge after a Sultan, detested by 20% of current Turkish citizens. Do you know that there is not one boy named YAVUZ, in the last 500 years, among our Alevi citizens? İf you want to know why, check with an honest historian.


Democracy requires following legs to stand on:


1. Supremacy of justice and equal human rights.


2. An election and political organization system which can reflect citizens political demands (free wills) into managing powers, fairly and affectively - through fair elections.


3. Free market economy.


Do not tell me we have them all, unless you are well prepared to stand behind your words.

77.       burakk
309 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 08:25 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

if agent orange was used you would have serious injuries as exposure to agent orange causes seriouse blistering and this does not seem to have happened since agent orange is a defoliant

what was used was a tear gas with an orange die in it, if the Turkish authoreties would have used agent orange they would have had the rest of the world´s governing bodies up their peverbial asses.

It is reported "an orange colored gas was being fired"

 

its a lower grade of it. not same as the one used in vietnam. there are pictures of the canisters and the containers.

 

agent orange aside, they are using outdates gas canisters, which is technically a chemical weapon.

 

78.       burakk
309 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 08:31 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

 

 

I know, I said I´m not denying that the police acted wrong at first. But this after that some violent provocators saw an opportunity and made this a chaos.

I don´t think the police would just stop against those who did these damages:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/295611_656854374328364_419768984_n.jpg

This is only a few. I saw on the news this evning that in İzmir and Antalya, they damaged many properties inluding shops, banks, and other properties. And there are hundreds coming towards them with stones, bottles and other heavy things to throw and hurt. That´s just crazy! 

 

 

i dont think you understand the timeline of the events. none of that would have happaned if the police didnt attack so violently. there were already extreme examples of police violence before people started turning police cars upside down and smashing city busses that flooded police officers into the spot.

 

if police doesnt attack, people just sing some songs, pull halay (lol), hit a few drums and go home. i witnessed this with my own eyes every day. police provokes every single attack.

79.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jun 2013 Tue 09:08 pm

I don´t think it´s Agent orange, which is a defoliant and herbicide. It was used in places with a lot of plant cover or jungles to kill the cover. It is horrible and has long lasting effects, some being birth defects.

It appears what they are using is Pepper Spray, which is red and is used for crowd control. The link here said it is illegal in Turkey, perhaps that law has changed? Some Pepeper spary has been combined with Tear Gas, making it more effective. 

They could also be using any of these riot control agents.

Quoting burakk

its a lower grade of it. not same as the one used in vietnam. there are pictures of the canisters and the containers.

 

agent orange aside, they are using outdates gas canisters, which is technically a chemical weapon.

 

 

 

80.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 05 Jun 2013 Wed 08:26 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

How does one try to kill a trained profesional who wears a crash helmet and bullet proof vest; who carrıes a shield in one hand, a gun in his belt and a tear (or pepper) gas dispenser in his other hand ?

Empty beer cans will not be enough. Did demonstrators have attack rifles ?

Photo of a ferocious protestor, attacking 5 poor policemen simultaneously

 

 

 

like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLEDZaDax8

 

81.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Jun 2013 Wed 10:36 am

A message from Chomsky: "Her yer Taksim, her yer direnis".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCwLfhwRHdQ

82.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Jun 2013 Wed 11:51 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

A message from Chomsky: "Her yer Taksim, her yer direnis".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCwLfhwRHdQ

 

More from Chomsky

http://evrensel.net/news.php?id=58653#.Ua7wWn1fcCs.twitter

83.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Jun 2013 Thu 12:00 pm

Orhan Pamuk joins the critics:

 

"It is a huge mistake by the Erdogan government to have come to the point of uprooting trees in an area that holds special memories for millions of people without asking them. The source of these reckless politics is the authoritative and oppressive tendencies of the government,” Orhan Pamuk said in comments on the incidents.

 

“The fact that Istanbulites do not easily give up their memories and are ready to stage political demonstrations gives me hope for the future,” Pamuk further stated.

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-317450-orhan-pamuk-says-erdogans-government-authoritarian.html

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A majority of Turks are now conscious of the fact that the mass protests that took place in this country in the past were masterminded by deep state elements so that they could hold on to their power at the expense of the elected governments.

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-317498-not-the-deep-state-but-the-streets-pushing-erdogan-to-change.html

 

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I think somehow everybody seems scared about Erdogan coming back and about  what he is going to say.. He may reignite the protests with what he says. Because according to a survey people are protesting because of Erdogan´s authoritarian behavior. (http://www.gercekgundem.com/?p=549259&com=all)

84.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Jun 2013 Thu 10:32 pm

Istanbul Gezi Park plan to proceed - Turkish PM Erdogan

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22801548

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The PM is still defiant!! It is quite difficult to understand what he is trying to do even some AKP supporters are raising their voice..

 

85.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 06 Jun 2013 Thu 10:46 pm

I would like to see Gezipark before they destroy it. Any lady to come with me for a romantic picnic? {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

86.       harp00n
3993 posts
 06 Jun 2013 Thu 10:59 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

I would like to see Gezipark before they destroy it. Any lady to come with me for a romantic picnic? {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

Çapkınnn !!!

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87.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jun 2013 Sun 05:21 pm

After 12 days : Her yer Taksim, her yer direnis.*

Massive rally

Cities nationwide continued to demonstrate in support of the ongoing protests, but Taksim again became the heart of the movement as thousands gathered for a rally scheduled to take place in the afternoon hours of June 9.

..

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/massive-rally-illuminates-taksim-as-protests-continue-in-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48505&NewsCatID=341

...


But how did Erdogan fall into the same trap? An obvious explanation is simply the arrogance of those who have held power for too long. They ignore advice and demonise and underrate their critics. There is nothing very Turkish in this. The same was true of Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair who, like Erdogan, had each won three election victories and were facing an electorate that blamed them for anything that went wrong.

The parallel should be between Turkey and Western Europe, not between Turkey and Middle East states. ..
Erdogan´s mistakes in dealing with the Taksim Square protests and the failures of Turkish foreign policy are not irretrievable ones. But the weaknesses of the Turkish state and the depth of the political divisions within Turkey are becoming more apparent. The demonstrations are also highlighting failings that had previously been masked by Turkey´s economic success at a time when much of Europe is mired in recession. Such impressions are important because the flow of foreign capital into Turkey depends on a sense that the country is stable compared to its neighbours.

Nightly riots in western Turkey, bombs exploding in the south of the country and the possibility of renewed Kurdish unrest in the east is sapping the belief inside and outside Turkey that the country is still one of the world´s success stories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/erdogans-mishandling-of-protests-has-exposed-the-myth-of-a-stable-turkey-8650706.html

 

*everywhere is Taksim, everywhere is resistance

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88.       Kelowna
375 posts
 09 Jun 2013 Sun 06:57 pm

would you say this is the same as in the 70´s or different?

http://youtu.be/6QK2m4r4NCc



Edited (6/9/2013) by Kelowna

89.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jun 2013 Sun 07:53 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

would you say this is the same as in the 70´s or different handsome?

 

It is nothing what so ever  in the 70s of Turkey.It is much more like May 1968 in Paris. Protesters are coming from all parts of the society. They are much more connected with the world- twitter- facebook- and extremely creative. They dont have a political objective and they dont seem to be clear about what they want. But what is clear is that they dont like what they have : A PM who does not respect people´s opinions, rules the country like a dictator, and tries to interfere with people´s lives -make 3 kids, dont drink alcohol etc-

I think what they are doing there in istanbul will be talked alot in the near future.

90.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 Jun 2013 Sun 11:31 pm

More about this if anybody wants to know what this is all about and how it is all started :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59XPBtofVGA

http://subjektif.org/protests-in-turkey-the-timeline-and-what-people-on-the-street-want/

http://www.direngeziparki.com/

http://showdiscontent.com/

http://www.narphotos.net/Story/Thumbnail/occupy-gezi-park/109/

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91.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 02:47 am

Thanks for sharing the truth

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92.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 10:51 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

Thanks for sharing the truth

 

My pleasure.

Apart from that it is nice to know some people are intrested in what is going on in Turkey and trying to learn more about this extraordinary cultural and politicl breaking point in Turkish history. You are not one of those who posts garbage like ´hiaiaiaia I am going to Turkey/ hiiaaiiiii really, are you?/ohhhhiaiai yes I am´ {#emotions_dlg.lol}

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93.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:22 pm

It is clearly a significant breaking point. In the videos you could see young, old, woman with head scarves, men in suits and men in jeans all very upset with the way they are being treated by the Turkish goverment. I hope they can boot Erodgan out and work towards the changes they need.

The compliation of issues they are concerned about very important and needed. The only one I disagreed with is they wanted less tax on alcohol and tobacco. Instead they should request those particular taxes go toward health issue caused by smoking or excessive drinking.

I am posting the collective list of concerns here: I think it is important.

 

  • Taksim Project must be cancelled.
  • The Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Draft Law must be withdrawn from the National Assembly’s agenda.
  • The right to congregate and demonstrate must be secured under the constitution.
  • Democracy must not be practiced only at election times: A democratic process based on community participation must be adopted.
  • City councils must take an active role in decisions related to the city and the citizens’ opinions must be taken into account.
  • Electoral threshold must be lowered (which is 10% in Turkey).
  • Safety of elections must be ensured; an e-voting system must be implemented.
  • Internet filters must be removed and Internet access should not be restricted.
  • Bans affecting people’s lifestyles, including the ban on alcohol and the ban on headscarves in state-owned buildings must be lifted.
  • Freedom of information must be raised to international standards.
  • Media censorship must be considered illegal.
  • Compulsory military service must be repealed.
  • Military courts must be abolished.
  • The US military bases in Turkey must be closed.
  • Students in custody must be released.
  • All discrimination based on nationality, ethnic origin, skin color, gender, sexual orientation and sexual identity must be prohibited.
  • The destruction of nature across the country must be stopped.
  • Environmental and animal rights must be protected by the law.
  • Local referendums must be held in the regions in question for building nuclear plants, thermal plants or dams.
  • Environmental Impact Assessment reports for future dam projects must be prepared by independent scientific institutions, not by companies certified by the Ministry of Environment and Urbanization.
  • Gezi Park, Taşkışla, İnönü Stadium, Dolmabahçe Palace and Maçka Park must be preserved as public spaces.
  • Science, universities and the arts must be liberated.
  • Anatolia’s cultural heritage must be protected.
  • Religion section must be removed from government issued identification cards.
  • Natural history museums, botanical gardens, art galleries must be prioritized over shopping malls.
  • Taksim is a symbol: Taksim must be open to all peaceful congregations and demonstrations.
  • The Law of Police Powers, the Civil Code, the Criminal Code, and the Code of Criminal Procedure must be democratized.
  • Freedom of expression must be ensured at international standards.
  • Atatürk Cultural Center (AKM) must not be demolished.
  • Turkey must come to terms with the Armenian Genocide.
  • The government must investigate the assassination of Hrant Dink, massacre in Roboski and the Reyhanlı incident.
  • The State Theaters and the State Opera and Ballet must not be shut down.
  • The State must be impartial to all religions and sects.
  • Individual and group lifestyles and lifestyle choices must be respected and protected by laws.
  • Turkey must stop threatening Syria. Syrian refugees must be moved to safe locations far from the border.
  • Police violence must stop.
  • Civil organizations must be liberated, and unionization must be facilitated.
  • Income inequality must be remedied.
  • The wage ceiling must not be more than 10 times the minimum wage.
  • The Prime Ministers’ discretionary funds must be regulated.
  • Political transparency must be ensured. All political immunities must be repealed.
  • Instead of making a new constitution, the 1961 constitution must be modernized.
  • The rule of law must be unconditionally upheld, unlawful detention of people must be stopped.
  • Mineral reserves must be nationalized.
  • The Turkish Petroleum Corporation must be the only institution authorized for exploring and drilling oil.
  • The Prime Minister’s office must be chaired in rotation.
  • Basic sciences must be supported.
  • Soldiers and journalists under arrest must be given a fair trial. Extrajudicial imprisonment for months and years must be stopped.
  • The abortion law must be withdrawn.
  • Once the new airport is opened, the existing airport at Yeşilköy, İstanbul should be transformed into a public park.
  • Education at all levels must promote scientific and up-to-date content.
  • Indicative labels must be mandatory on GMOs.
  • Demonstrators taken into custody since May 27th must be released immediately with no legal ramifications.
  • All barriers to active political participation must be removed.
  • All bans on the congregations, rallies, parades and demonstrations must be lifted; the right to congregate and demonstrate must be fairly implemented.
  • The people must be actively included in the control mechanism of civil society organizations.
  • The Prime Minister’s office in the Beşiktaş must be relocated, and the pier must be opened to public.
  • Journalists imprisoned for expressing their thoughts and contributing to people’s freedom of information must be released.
  • Active participation of professional associations must be ensured in the processes involving the legal arrangements in their respective fields.
  • Unsolved murders must be resolved, assailants must be prosecuted.
  • The sexist education system must be reformed.
  • Concrete steps must be taken towards securing children’s rights to education, healthcare and justice.
  • Exploitation of labor must be stopped: permanent measures must be taken to protect workers’ rights and freedoms such as occupational health and safety, and flexible working hours.
  • Domestic and small-size capital must be supported, monopoly must be prevented.
  • Astronomic taxes on gasoline, alcohol and tobacco must be reduced.
  • Access to safe and effective birth control methods must not require prescription; basic protection methods should be available to all at regional healthcare centers.

 

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94.       benx
12 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:42 pm

Just a few chapulcu... in Turkey everything is OK. Never mind provokers



Edited (6/10/2013) by benx

95.       Kelowna
375 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 06:49 pm

Turkish pianist Fazil Say was sentenced to 10 months of prison  due to " insulting the beliefs of some portion of society " on twitter.

This is not about what he said but why there is a consequence. This has happen to so many people in Turkey. They are not allowed to publicly express their opinion.

Where is the liberal democracy in terms of freedom.

 

 I remember talking to a Turkish person who said that in their culture everyone is very nosey about their neighbors and because of this you fear to be different or act differently than what is allowed. How sad to be afraid for fear of being either convicted by your neighbors or they hands of the law.

96.       benx
12 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:32 pm

Ohh poor Kelowna..I am sorry but you dont know anything other than heard from others. These are others facts not yours. I hope you can come here one day to taste truth. Look at forum.. same provokers writing same things. Do you think they are Turkish or in Turkey now? Your brain is not a accesory pls use it more..

97.       burakk
309 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:37 pm

 

Quoting benx

Ohh poor Kelowna..I am sorry but you dont know anything other than heard from others. These are others facts not yours. I hope you can come here one day to taste truth. Look at forum.. same provokers writing same things. Do you think they are Turkish or in Turkey now? Your brain is not a accesory pls use it more..

 

at least he has one. you dont have such a luxury at all

www.twitter.com

 

98.       burakk
309 posts
 10 Jun 2013 Mon 07:46 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

Turkish pianist Fazil Say was sentenced to 10 months of prison  due to " insulting the beliefs of some portion of society " on twitter.

This is not about what he said but why there is a consequence. This has happen to so many people in Turkey. They are not allowed to publicly express their opinion.

Where is the liberal democracy in terms of freedom.

 

 I remember talking to a Turkish person who said that in their culture everyone is very nosey about their neighbors and because of this you fear to be different or act differently than what is allowed. How sad to be afraid for fear of being either convicted by your neighbors or they hands of the law.

 

 well liberal democracy hardly represents freedom. freedom for only the selected ones.

 

in big cities in turkey people have lost the "good neighbor" relationship culture. now many people dont even know who their neighbors are. though in small places people can be nosey but definitely not as nosey as europeans or other suburb dwellers.

99.       ninja
157 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 11:59 am

Just saw in the news about the police started to enter Taksim Square with some violence. Heard that Erdogan had scheduled a talk with the protestors, right? So what now, no intention for discussion? Pray for those who suffer.

100.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 12:27 pm

From the demonstrators´ point of view it certainly looks like the whole nation has united but I doubt that. It seems to me more like Turkey has divided or is in the process of dividing into two and that is really really worrying.

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101.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 03:13 pm

Two questions:

 

1. What is the interest of CHP and the extreme right in these events?

 

2. If Erdoğan falls what is going to happen to the peace process with Kurds?

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102.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 03:52 pm

Turkish police storm Taksim

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22851765

PM says : Please Finish it.

 

minute by minute storm    http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/gezi_parki_sabaha_poster_baskiniyla_basladi-1137124

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The protesters did not start with PM´s permission and I dont think they will finish with PM´s wish.

PM has to grip this fact.

103.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:39 pm

PM: No one will get away with it..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/no-one-will-get-away-with-it-turkish-pm-issues-protest-threat-as-riot-police-storm-taksim-square-8653065.html

 

Turkey PM Erdogan warns protesters ´it´s over´

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10113293/Turkey-PM-Erdogan-warns-protesters-its-over.html

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 No one will get away with it..? I think that includes the PM. 

I think he already lost his presidency (with a presidential system).  

104.       Kelowna
375 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:40 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

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The protesters did not start with PM´s permission and I dont think they will finish with PM´s wish.

PM has to grip this fact.

 

what do you predict will happen

105.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 Jun 2013 Tue 06:49 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

what do you predict will happen

 

I am not entirely sure but PM is creating a chaos.. He can not continue the way he is behaving.. With every speach he makes, he throws some logs into the fire. I think, these last 15 days will be talked and analysed a lot. I will come back to this later on. 

Some Turkish and some English comments:

https://www.facebook.com/geziparkidirenisi

 

 

 

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106.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 02:54 am

Message from Taksim Solidarity:

 

Police violence which stared on the 14th day in Taksim Gezi park, still continuing as of  midnight

Since their incompetently staged and miserably failed provocation game, early in the morning, after the continuation of gas and bomb attack by the police , there were 100s of casualties and among them, many head traumas. All the animals and birds are dying around Taksim because of the intense gas,

Our people, our children who are in Taksim square and Gezi park, continue their resistance, risk their lives, in order to protect their dignity.

We invite the entire world to show their reactions and our people to show their solidarity to stop the police brutality which is carried out by the direct orders of the government .

Taksim Solidarity.

 

In Turkish:

Taksim Gezi Parkı’na 14. günü sabahında başlayan polis şiddeti, gece yarısı itibariyle devam ediyor. 

Sabah saatlerinde polisin acemice senaryolaştırdığı provokasyon oyununun tutmaması üzerine sürdürdüğü gaz bombalı saldırı sonrasında yüzlerce yaralanma, bu yaralılar arasında çok sayıda beyin travması geçiren insanda bulunmaktadır. Yoğun gaz nedeniyle Taksim Meydanı çevresinde tüm hayvanlar ve kuşlar ölmektedir. 

Taksim Meydanında ve Gezi Parkı’nda bulunan insanlarımız, çocuklarımız tüm saldırılara onurlarını korumak için ölümü göze alarak direnmeye devam etmektedir. 

Hükümetin bizzat emriyle yürütülen polis şiddetinin durdurulması için tüm Dünyayı tepki göstermeye, halkımızı desteğe davet ediyoruz. 
Taksim Dayanışması

source:
http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/taksim_dayanismasi_tum_dunyaya_sesleniyoruz-1137234



Edited (6/12/2013) by thehandsom

107.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 11:03 pm

Turkey protests: Ruling AK party may hold vote on park..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22882460

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/riot-police-overwhelm-protesters-occupying-istanbuls-taksim-square-and-gezi-park/2013/06/11/30efe674-d2f5-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html

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We still dont know the details.. But the PM held talks with the representetive of the protesters- though some protesters said they dont know those who spoke to the PM- for 5 hours..

Hopefully this may resolve peacefully..

But it seems like it is a serious blow to the pm as his credibility in EU faded away.. (

http://news.yahoo.com/eu-worried-violence-turkey-calls-inquiries-183101191.html

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=110432

)

**ps..did you know that the amount of tear gas used in last 6 days in Istanbul by Turkish government is twice than the tear gas used in 2012 by all 12 EU countries?

108.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 04:48 am

 

Quoting Abla

Two questions:

 

1. What is the interest of CHP and the extreme right in these events?

 

2. If Erdoğan falls what is going to happen to the peace process with Kurds?

 

my personal answers:

1. chp joins almost every possible action againts the ruling party, akp. in return they hope more votes. in this event, chp was there in the beginning, but the protestors, %70 are apolitic, they dont want to see any party there and they are not part of any party. they just told chp members to leave them alone, so they did.

2.  nothing will happen to peace project with kurds carrying guns. they quit by themselves by the recommendation of their leader in prison. it will go on by itself whatever happens. majority of community supports this process, it is not only depends on the ruling party itself, they are just part of it.



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109.       trip
297 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 10:14 pm

An item from the Washington Post about a protest Wednesday in Moscow that was partly sparked by events in Istanbul. I´ve highlighted a few interesting spots:

MOSCOW — Chastened by the protests in Istanbul,Muscovites rallied Wednesday in a show of support for the 12 opposition defendants on trial for their actions a year ago in a clash with Russian police.

     Estimates of the crowd’s size varied but suggest that as many as 15,000 people may have taken part in the low-key march. The turnout was far less than the tens of thousands present at protests a year ago, but those who participated Wednesday said they wanted to remind the public, and one another, that the opposition hadn’t disappeared.
     Walking a dachshund named Snark, Maria Sakson said the marchers showed up on the Russia Day holiday so that President Vladimir Putin would know the protest movement still exists. “We haven’t come to terms,” she said.
     She can only look wistfully at Istanbul, a city she has visited twice, and which has seen huge protests this month in Taksim Square. “There are so many more brave people there than here,” she said. “We’re spoiled in many ways. And as a nation, we are used to being patient.”
     Among those of her friends who aren’t so patient, she said, many are making plans to leave Russia — something that Sakson, a 36-year-old architect, doesn’t want to do. The alternative is to protest, she said.
    Nikolai Maroko, 34, who works for a translation service, said he came out Wednesday for one reason: “To feel that I am not alone.”
     He echoed Sakson in comparing Russia with Turkey, where protests have occurred in dozens of cities. “Turkey makes us feel rather envious,” he said. “It is sad for me. We are in for a rather cold period. But there can be no end of this, only a pause.”



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110.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 10:55 pm

Istanbul governor calls moms to ´call their children home´. Moms come to Gezi Parkı instead.

 

EU parliament urges Turkey to avoid violence

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=111046

 

and our PM, slams European Parliament´s motion on Gezi Park protests

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-06/13/c_132453069.htm

 

 

http://avrupabirligihaberleri.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/european-parliament-democracy-in-turkey-resolution-13-june-2013.pdf (European Parliament´s resolution)

 



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111.       Kelowna
375 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 12:32 am

Do you think he will get heavy handed and go in and injure more people?

112.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 02:07 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

Do you think he will get heavy handed and go in and injure more people?

 

I think Erdogan had a serious blow to his leadership. The credibility he has built in the west so far, gone away so fast. Though he is a kind of person who would not like taking advice, he would not want to lose it all in one incident. He has to back off and for the sake of being in power he will back off.. The times are different in this century. With this speed of communication and usage of social media, people are much more closer and solidarity for the right cause is greater.

113.       foka
597 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 09:43 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think Erdogan had a serious blow to his leadership. The credibility he has built in the west so far, gone away so fast. Though he is a kind of person who would not like taking advice, he would not want to lose it all in one incident. He has to back off and for the sake of being in power he will back off.. The times are different in this century. With this speed of communication and usage of social media, people are much more closer and solidarity for the right cause is greater.

 

Exactly!

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114.       Abla
3648 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 11:04 am

Even though these events make me sort of worried it is still delightful to see "new Turks" in these clips: political actors who are spontaneous, positive and bold. In a country with long democratic tradition it would be impossible to gather people this way for any purpose any more.

115.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 12:03 pm

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govt-to-comply-with-court-ruling-suspending-gezi-parks-demolition-if-appeal-fails.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48789&NewsCatID=338

Last night the PM held a meeting with some of the protesters and I think, protesters will discuss the results of that meeting in gezi park today. I am not sure if they will stop occupying the park after the government´s consessions.. In the end, they brought Erdogan on its knees. One thing is not clear that what is going to happen: They says that the government will conform with the court ruling and if it fails, they may go to a referendum.. 

 

An extra info: Turkish Medical Association informed public about the health conditions of protestors as of 12th June 18.00. In total 4 people have lost their lives, there are 7478 injuries, 5 severely injured with risk of death, 91 head traumas, 55 severely injured and 10 people have lost their eyes.

This is from the guardian  


 


116.       burakk
309 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 12:32 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govt-to-comply-with-court-ruling-suspending-gezi-parks-demolition-if-appeal-fails.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48789&NewsCatID=338

Last night the PM held a meeting with some of the protesters and I think, protesters will discuss the results of that meeting in gezi park today. I am not sure if they will stop occupying the park after the government´s consessions.. In the end, they brought Erdogan on its knees. One thing is not clear that what is going to happen: They says that the government will conform with the court ruling and if it fails, they may go to a referendum.. 

 

An extra info: Turkish Medical Association informed public about the health conditions of protestors as of 12th June 18.00. In total 4 people have lost their lives, there are 7478 injuries, 5 severely injured with risk of death, 91 head traumas, 55 severely injured and 10 people have lost their eyes.

This is from the guardian  


 


 

 

its not about the trees

117.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:13 pm

Çarşı neye karşı ?

 

118.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:35 pm

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

 

its not about the trees

 

Everybody knows that!!

119.       foka
597 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 10:47 pm

interesting point of view.....http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/14/world/europe/turkish-leader-gives-final-warning-to-park-protesters.html?pagewanted=2&src=un&feedurl=http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/world/europe/index.jsonp

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120.       mdoni
10 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 12:24 am

Quote:

Add quoted text here
As an environmentalist, I am happy that the ´trees´ were the symbol or catylist that provided the raison d´être for this struggle. We have much to accomplish with regards to Environmental Justice in Turkey

mdoni

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121.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 05:22 am

I´ve heard Turks complaining about Erdoğan for years and I´m surprised that they didn´t go crazy before this!

Last night I watched a video of police actions in Izmir which included a large amont of men in civilian clothes holding batons and taking the law into their own hands alongside the police. I can only guess that they are AKP members. Well, I´ve seen many pictures/videos of gas being thrown and water cannons being used but those images of the guys doing as they pleased with the consent of the police really, really disgusted and upset me. 

It´s not a surprise that the only thing that people have left is to protest. The police alongside the justice system has been shaped into what Erdoğan wants, the media is being punished for reporting anything unfavourable, people are locked up for using Twitter, laws are made to suit Erdoğan´s and the AKP´s agenda and so on.

At least the world can see Erdoğan´s real and true face now. He is a paranoid and arrogant bully. Of course he thinks these events are everybody else´s fault and he is greatly insulted by the reaction of the protesters and world media.

Keeping him in power is doing a lot to damage the international reputation of Turkey. I think his followers need to understand this, but right now they are acting like victims and think that the protesters and outside world are the ones who don´t understand and are wrong.



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122.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 12:20 pm

Turkish protesters have vowed to continue occupying Istanbul´s Gezi Park.

Their defiant statement came despite the prime minister´s promise to halt a redevelopment plan which sparked two weeks of anti-government unrest.

"We will continue our resistance in the face of any injustice and unfairness taking place in our country," the Taksim Solidarity group, seen as most representative of the protesters, said.

The statement came after all-night discussions in Gezi Park.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22917616

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123.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 11:04 pm

Police clear Istanbul´s Gezi Park after Erdogan warning

..

Earlier, in a speech in the capital Ankara, Mr Erdogan told thousands of AK party supporters: "If Taksim Square is not evacuated, this country´s security forces will know how to evacuate it."

"Nobody can intimidate us. We take no orders or instruction from anyone but God," he added.

He also dismissed the wave of demonstrations as part of an organised plot against him.

..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22922697

...

The news is horrible.

Police is attacking everybody including childeren and women. Many people injured..

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23DirenGeziPark%C4%B1&src=hash is not stropping. There are news that crowds started to walk to Taksim because they stopped the ferries and closed the bridges..

 

124.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 11:23 pm

I just saw this and I´m horrified! So evil...I don´t have the words...

 

 

125.       ifailhard
9 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 11:41 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Police clear Istanbul´s Gezi Park after Erdogan warning

..

Earlier, in a speech in the capital Ankara, Mr Erdogan told thousands of AK party supporters: "If Taksim Square is not evacuated, this country´s security forces will know how to evacuate it."

"Nobody can intimidate us. We take no orders or instruction from anyone but God," he added.

He also dismissed the wave of demonstrations as part of an organised plot against him.

..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22922697

...

The news is horrible.

Police is attacking everybody including childeren and women. Many people injured..

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23DirenGeziPark%C4%B1&src=hash is not stropping. There are news that crowds started to walk to Taksim because they stopped the ferries and closed the bridges..

 

 

It´s a terrible situation for many of the protestors. I´ve been following it from day 1 and couldn´t believe the amount of force that was used on what started as a peaceful protest. Then as things got worse and 5 deaths the PM still defied any sort of democratic dialogue. I was relieved to see he started dialogue and the park will now be put to a vote.

 

126.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 11:57 pm

 

Quoting ifailhard

 

 

It´s a terrible situation for many of the protestors. I´ve been following it from day 1 and couldn´t believe the amount of force that was used on what started as a peaceful protest. Then as things got worse and 5 deaths the PM still defied any sort of democratic dialogue. I was relieved to see he started dialogue and the park will now be put to a vote.

 

 

Well we all hoped and relieved too.. But look at what is happenning now. Unbelievable!!

Youngsters already had a decision to remove all the tents but leave only one as ´watching tent´. They would have left in a few days..

Thanks to social media we can see and learn what is hapenning minute by minute https://www.facebook.com/geziparkidirenisi?hc_location=stream

 

 

127.       ifailhard
9 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 12:01 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well we all hoped and relieved too.. But look at what is happenning now. Unbelievable!!

Youngsters already had a decision to remove all the tents but leave only one as ´watching tent´. They would have left in a few days..

Thanks to social media we can see and learn what is hapenning minute by minute https://www.facebook.com/geziparkidirenisi?hc_location=stream

 

 

 

Thanks very much for the link. It´s a game of politics now too I guess and it´s not something I´d debate about. As I don´t know enough Turkish to actually read enough to form an opinion. But I will say if he keeps ordering that sort of brute force on protestors, he´s not a very smart man and doesn´t deserve his title. Especially since young children and even toddlers are in that park.



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128.       benx
12 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 12:18 am

Lmao !!! On twitter they started to send messages in english because nobody in Turkey taking serious these provokers. What a pity! They are setting their hopes on other countries help. Just want to ask that provokers who arent useful other than deteriorating Turkey´s name on global platform:How many times you received unrequited favor from other countries so far?

 

 

129.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 01:12 am

 

Quoting benx

Lmao !!! On twitter they started to send messages in english because nobody in Turkey taking serious these provokers. What a pity! They are setting their hopes on other countries help. Just want to ask that provokers who arent useful other than deteriorating Turkey´s name on global platform:How many times you received unrequited favor from other countries so far?

 

 

Ignore this troll. Don´t bother with him/her.

130.       benx
12 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 01:37 am

Go home DickFan

We dont have any oil in Turkey



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131.       Kelowna
375 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 02:25 am

hopefully there is a bullet with his name on it in the very near future.

132.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 04:12 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

hopefully there is a bullet with his name on it in the very near future.

 

What does this mean Kelowna? Even if he is a troll, nobody deserves violance.

133.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 04:18 am

134.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 04:45 am

All public transportation (buses, minibuses, trains, subways, ferries, etc.) prevented in istanbul by the government at the moment. Government does not want anybody to move anywhere!

135.       Kelowna
375 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 04:56 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

What does this mean Kelowna? Even if he is a troll, nobody deserves violance.

 

wasn´t meant for him

136.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 05:11 am

 

Quoting ikicihan

All public transportation (buses, minibuses, trains, subways, ferries, etc.) prevented in istanbul by the government at the moment. Government does not want anybody to move anywhere!

 

Will the organised AKP protest go ahead? I guess it will as long as it´s the AKP supporters who are using the public transport.

137.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 06:15 am

 

Quoting MoustacheFan

 

 

Will the organised AKP protest go ahead? I guess it will as long as it´s the AKP supporters who are using the public transport.

 

i think they will let it go after some time. They just want to stop the movement towards taksim square. They cant stop that much crowd, people are walking... Today is gonna be a strange day.

138.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 06:46 am

 

 

Police is burning the wishing tree in gezi park.

139.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 06:53 am

Photos taken just before the police operation in gezi park.

 

 

And now...

 

 

 

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140.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 07:37 am

Police force is not enough, now military supports police...

 

 



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141.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 11:08 am

A message in FB.

I am sharing

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Friends from all over the world. PLEASE PLEASE CALL THE TURKISH EMBASSY IN YOUR TOWN. PLEASE CALL THE NEWS AGENCIES AND YOUR GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY THAT´S BEING COMMITTED IN TURKEY NOW. Please do this for me / us / humanity / yourselves....fascism is showing its ugly head today in Turkey, it can be in a square near you soon.

Londoners - call PM office and BBC please. Or tweet. if not now, tomorrow.

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142.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 01:37 pm

What I´ve seen in the last 12 hours or so via the internet:

 

Doctors being arrested.

A corrosive chemical added to the water cannon and horrific skin injuries inflicted upon protesters.

A water cannon deliberately spraying water through the front doors of a hospital (German hospital).

Gas being thrown into a hotel lobby- gas should only be used to disperse people as a last resort, not as a means to attack them.

The funeral of a young man killed by the police being obstructed by the police.

Children, women, elderly being gassed.

Police with no identifying numbers (civilians?) entering a hotel and confronting people.

 

The people on the receiving end of all this have no protection or help. 

143.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 02:15 pm

 

http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/doktorlara-kelepceli-gozalti/gundem/detay/1723712/default.htm

144.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 02:20 pm

 

http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/tazyikli-suyun-icinde-ne-var-/gundem/detay/1723722/default.htm

145.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 02:25 pm

Kazlıçeşme´ye vapurlu destek

Bugün 18.00´da Zeytinburnu Kazlıçeşme´de gerçekleştirilecek olan, Ak Parti mitingi için Kocaeli´nden vapur kaldırıldı.

 

http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/kazlicesme-ye-vapurlu-destek/gundem/detay/1723720/default.htm

 

İstanbul´da bu yollara dikkat! Vapur seferleri iptal...

Kazlıçeşme Meydanı´nda yapılacak olan AK Parti mitingi ve Gezi Parkı olayları nedeniyle bu yollar kapalı

 

http://gundem.milliyet.com.tr/istanbul-da-bu-yollara-dikkat-/gundem/detay/1723692/default.htm

146.       ifailhard
9 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 11:50 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

A message in FB.

I am sharing

-------------------------

Friends from all over the world. PLEASE PLEASE CALL THE TURKISH EMBASSY IN YOUR TOWN. PLEASE CALL THE NEWS AGENCIES AND YOUR GOVERNMENT. THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY THAT´S BEING COMMITTED IN TURKEY NOW. Please do this for me / us / humanity / yourselves....fascism is showing its ugly head today in Turkey, it can be in a square near you soon.

Londoners - call PM office and BBC please. Or tweet. if not now, tomorrow.

 

Yeah you guys mind giving me some updates, I saw last night they cleared the park and were still tear gassing at 5AM.

 

edit.

 

Never mind if they have added corrosive chemicals to the water cannons then it is a crime against humanity. That shouldn´t be allowed.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22928793

 

"Two of Turkey´s main trade unions have called for a nationwide strike on Monday in protest against police violence against protesters"

 

 



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147.       burakk
309 posts
 17 Jun 2013 Mon 12:04 am

 

Quoting ifailhard

 

 

Yeah you guys mind giving me some updates, I saw last night they cleared the park and were still tear gassing at 5AM.

 

edit.

 

Never mind if they have added corrosive chemicals to the water cannons then it is a crime against humanity. That shouldn´t be allowed.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22928793

 

"Two of Turkey´s main trade unions have called for a nationwide strike on Monday in protest against police violence against protesters"

 

 

 

and now (actually right now) police has released civilians (or perhaps civil police) carrying sticks and cleavers that are being backed by police vehicles into the streets and the protestors (or maybe again, police) have called a general retreat to the home in order to prevent a one-sided clash

148.       ifailhard
9 posts
 17 Jun 2013 Mon 12:08 am

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

and now (actually right now) police has released civilians (or perhaps civil police) carrying sticks and cleavers that are being backed by police vehicles into the streets and the protestors (or maybe again, police) have called a general retreat to the home in order to prevent a one-sided clash

 

Honestly? That´s disgraceful have you got any pictures etc. that i can reblog.

I know it´s quite a split between his supporters and the protestors but allowing that will only raise tensions and it should be stopped.



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149.       burakk
309 posts
 17 Jun 2013 Mon 12:47 am

 

Quoting ifailhard

 

 

Honestly? That´s disgraceful have you got any pictures etc. that i can reblog.

I know it´s quite a split between his supporters and the protestors but allowing that will only raise tensions and it should be stopped.

 

nothing special other than these

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151675954731071

http://twitpic.com/cxl233

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23evined%C3%B6n&src=tren

 

 

raising tensions is exactly what he wants



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150.       ifailhard
9 posts
 17 Jun 2013 Mon 01:14 am

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

nothing special other than these

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151675954731071

http://twitpic.com/cxl233

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23evined%C3%B6n&src=tren

 

 

raising tensions is exactly what he wants

I see the

 

151.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Jun 2013 Tue 02:24 am

Just One:

One song can spark a moment, One flower can wake the dream One tree can start a forest, One bird can herald spring.

 


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Duranadam&src=typd

 

Though they arrested the standingman in Taksim, I think standingwoman in Ankara is still going on..

They say that "they arrasted him but civil disobedience (by standing) will continue (already started) in other disitricts and cities"

They are this century´s master of civil disobedience!!!

They are geniuses!!

152.       ifailhard
9 posts
 18 Jun 2013 Tue 05:34 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Just One:

One song can spark a moment, One flower can wake the dream One tree can start a forest, One bird can herald spring.

 


https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Duranadam&src=typd

 

Though they arrested the standingman in Taksim, I think standingwoman in Ankara is still going on..

They say that "they arrasted him but civil disobedience (by standing) will continue (already started) in other disitricts and cities"

They are this century´s master of civil disobedience!!!

They are geniuses!!

Yeah I read about it. Very creative XD

 

153.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Jun 2013 Tue 12:24 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/17/world/europe/turkey-protests/ (´Standing man´ inspires silent demonstration in Turkey)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22949632

http://news.yahoo.com/standing-man-inspires-silent-protests-turkey-070859700.html

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/06/18/uk-turkey-protests-standingman-idUKBRE95H04N20130618

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/turkey-s-standing-man-renews-worldwide-attention-to-taksim-protests-1.1329955 (Turkey´s ´standing man´ renews worldwide attention to Taksim protests)

 

154.       ifailhard
9 posts
 18 Jun 2013 Tue 05:01 pm

 

 

What´s even more worrying is this:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22938860



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155.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 18 Jun 2013 Tue 08:18 pm

 

Quoting ifailhard

 

 

What´s even more worrying is this:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22938860

 

You are absolutely right on that. But however there is a much greater worry about all this: There is huge devision in the society and new fault of division as secularizm-islamizm is sinking. It can be reall dangerous. The PM thinks everything from the election point of view and keeps fueling his supporters.. They dont realize that democracy is the regime in which everybody can be free including the ones who did not vote for the PM.

PM is playing with the fire!!

156.       ifailhard
9 posts
 19 Jun 2013 Wed 12:35 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You are absolutely right on that. But however there is a much greater worry about all this: There is huge devision in the society and new fault of division as secularizm-islamizm is sinking. It can be reall dangerous. The PM thinks everything from the election point of view and keeps fueling his supporters.. They dont realize that democracy is the regime in which everybody can be free including the ones who did not vote for the PM.

PM is playing with the fire!!

I totally agree, I´ve said from the start he´s playing to a crowd. Sure he was elected 3 times and he still has lots of support. This doesn´t mean he can screw the rest of the country which didn´t vote for him. All he is doing now is raising tensions between 2 fractions of people and by doing this he´s opened up the opportunity for the few that want to be violet. Those people are in it to cause trouble no doubt. As a result he just brands anyone protesting against him as generic.

Increasing the force being used on protestors only makes things worse. The majority of the people protesting against him and the park are young educated people and families. Sure he made some attempt to open dialogue but from my point of view he´s not doing enough to calm things down, he should open up his mind and ears. I do feel for the many protestors who are peaceful and just want to be heard.

 

157.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Jun 2013 Wed 05:57 pm

Thanks to our PM.

158.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 22 Jun 2013 Sat 04:24 am

now gezi park protests evolved into something has never seen before.

public forums open to anyone, mostly starts 9 p.m.

#parklarbizim

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159.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Jun 2013 Tue 11:45 am

My name is Ethem Sarısülük. I had no gun when the police shot me in the head. I died. They released my murderer.

Benim adım Ethem Sarısülük. Elimde silah yoktu. Polis beni başımdan vurdu ve öldüm. Katilimi serbest bıraktılar.

Meu nome é Etem Sarısülük. Eu não tinha nenhuma arma quando a policia tirou na minha cabeça. Eu morri. Eles deixaram meu assasino.

Mi nombre es Ethem Sarisülük. No llevaba ningún arma cuando la policía me disparó en la cabeza. He muerto. Mi asesino ha sido puesto en libertad.

Τo ονομα μου ειναι ETHEM SARISÜLÜK. Δεν είχα οπλο, όταν η αστυνομία με πυροβόλησε στο κεφάλι. Πέθανα. ο δολοφονος μου κυκολφορει ελεφθερα.

اسمي ethem sarisuluk لم يكن بيدي سلاحا عندما قتلتني الشرطة برصاصة في رأسي. انا قتلت. لكن قاتلي الان حر طليق في الشارع

Je suis Ethem Sarısülük. J´ai ete tue par la police. J´avais ni l´arme ni bombe de gaz. L´authorite Turquie mis en liberte mon assassin aujourd´hui."

Ich bin Ethem Sarisülük. Ich wurde von einem Bullen umgebracht, sein Name ist Ahmet Sahbaz. Ich hatte weder eine Waffen, noch Tränengas, ich war wehrlos. Heute hat die türkische Justiz meinen Mörder freigelassen.

Io sono Ethem Sarısülük. Sono stato ucciso da un poliziotto, Ahmet Şahbaz. Non avevo né un arma, né una bomba a gas. Oggi la Giustizia turca ha rilasciato il mio assassino.

Navê min Ethem Sarısülük. Di destê min de demançe ne bû. Polis gule berda serê min u ez mirim. Kujerê min serbest hate berdan.
Ono ışmi Ethem Sarısülük´yo. Latva bidi Zeyno. U polis bqarci mhele U qtılno. U qatolaydi tralle hîro.

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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanbul-crowd-marches-to-denounce-release-of-police-officer-suspected-of-killing-protester.aspx?pageID=238&nID=49417&NewsCatID=341

https://twitter.com/search?q=Kiral%C4%B1kKatilAHMETSAHBAZ&src=typd

http://www.ibtimes.com/ahmet-sahbaz-officer-who-shot-killed-protester-ethem-sarisuluk-turkey-protests-released-jail-video

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Jun-24/221434-turkey-policeman-freed-pending-trial-on-protesters-death.ashx

160.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jul 2013 Mon 01:52 pm

I love you ODTU

 

odtü 15

 

 

ODTÜ´deki mezuniyet töreninde ´Gezi´ esintileri

 

odtü 1

ODTÜ´deki mezuniyet töreninde ´Gezi´ esintileri

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwlTNQmaBj8

 

 

http://www.sendika.org/2013/06/odtu-ogrencileri-mezun-oldu-bu-daha-baslangic-mucadeleye-devam/

 

ODTÜ Mezuniyet Töreninden Gezi´ye Bin Selam!

Elektronik: "Bunca yillik eletronikçiyiz böyle direnç görmedik."

Felsefe: "Ayni TOMA´da 2 kere yikanilmaz."

Uzay Bilimleri: "327 koltuklu uzay gemiciginiz hazir basbakan, bi binin bisey deneyecegiz. Uzay Lobisi"

Mimarlik: "Rant için degil halk için mimarlik."

Fizik: "Einstein´in saçinin kiliyiz."

Egitim fakültesi: "Çapulcu nesil bizim eserimiz olacak."

Insaat fakültesi: "Beton kadar dirençliyiz."

Çevre Mühendisligi: "Bizim meselemiz 3-5 agaç degil."

Kamu yönetimi:" Yönetecek kamu mu biraktiniz?"

Isletme: "Taksit taksit çaldigin özgürlügümüzü faizi ile geri alacagiz."

Bilgisayar Mühendisligi: "Fiskiyenin önündeki belediyeyi kim soydu?"

Gida mühendisligi: "Hiç biber kullanma demedik, salça yapabilirsin!"

161.       giz
61 posts
 01 Jul 2013 Mon 02:52 pm

çok vasatlar be hands...

https://twitter.com/DirenGeziParki/status/350963847500292098/photo/1

işte bu muhteşem..

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162.       giz
61 posts
 01 Jul 2013 Mon 05:36 pm

https://twitter.com/ismailsaymaz/status/351662234734321664/photo/1

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163.       giz
61 posts
 02 Jul 2013 Tue 11:53 am

http://www.change.org/tr/kampanyalar/odt%C3%BC-y%C3%B6netimi-mezunlar%C4%B1-ve-kamuoyu-2013-mezuniyet-t%C3%B6renindeki-pankartlardan-dolay%C4%B1-kamuoyundan-a%C3%A7%C4%B1k-bir-%C3%B6z%C3%BCr?utm_campaign=twitter_link_action_box&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

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