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30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:27 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Handsome you think you are so wise and you think we havent even opened a book in our lives. You think we are ignorant. But let me tell you this. I read more than one hundred books in a year. I just dont read them I also recommend the ones I like in twitter. Look at the link below. These are the books I finished and recommended. It is more then 400 in 2,5 years. There are also other books I read but didnt recommend. You dont know with who you are dancing:

 

https://twitter.com/kitaponerileri

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG.. I am so scared now.. Shivering, trembling with fear..Brrrrr..

Look.. This is not a beauty or a popularity contest here. If you have nothing to say, just dont force yourself that you have to say something.. Simple as that.

31.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:31 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

OMG.. I am so scared now.. Shivering, trembling with fear..Brrrrr..

Look.. This is not a beauty or a popularity contest here. If you have nothing to say, just dont force yourself that you have to say something.. Simple as that.

 

Then don´t act so wise and don´t blame people of being ignorant. We don´t live in Europe like you. Thanks to you freedom of speech died here.

32.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 05:35 pm

http://www.bianet.org/english/crisis/147106-taksim-gezi-park-resistance-spreads-across-turkey

The state gives in..Police leave Taksim square.

http://www.milliyet.tv/video-izle/CANLI-YAYIN-43GjMYWbIf3z.html (tv camera)

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/06/201361133525128709.html Turkey PM urges end to protests amid clashes

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33.       alameda
3499 posts
 01 Jun 2013 Sat 06:01 pm

There have been demonstrations all over the world, Turkey is not unique in that respect. Certainly, look at what happened in California with the pepper spray in the faces of peaceful students, the Marine Vet in Occupy Oakland, CA....

To me, these things are very sad, I wonder if there aren´t others who are jumping up and down with glee at seeing the disruption in Turkey. It looks like the plan for the New Middle East is well on it´s way. Maybe the exact borders have changed a bit, but it looks like the general idea seems to be intact. 

I am reminded of Herman Göring´s quote: 

"......, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists (or conservatives, different ethnicities, religion groups...and on and on) for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

I wonder just who are these leaders?

.....keep fanning the sparks and you will get flames.  



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34.       burakk
309 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 03:32 am

 

Quoting Abla

Two questions:

 

1. Do you think it will get serious?

 

2. I never understood one thing: why would people protest against someone who has been elected in democratic elections? Why don´t they just wait for the next election and win it? (I do understand this rumbling is a result of an attempt of violently dispersing a peaceful demonstration but it looks like there is a deeper dissatisfaction behind it.) Is it the same thing that happens in Arab countries: there is the young FB generation who knows what is best for everyone and then the huge masses who just vote for the wrong people time after time?

 

1- its already really serious

 

2- these people have been waiting for 3 elections and still no result. same violence, same arrests, same pushes. the day before yesterday, it had nothing to do with government or whatever just some nature lovers were making a simple sitting/standing protest. but the same night at 4am police raided their camp with tear gas and demolished their tents. not only that, as they were running away they shot water cannons behind them on their heads. not one single stone has been thrown till that point. then of course, it stopped being a simple nature bussiness and became the last drop of many chain reactions.. syria, reyhanlı, the fake "peace process", the kurd love, american privatization, the illegalization of 19 may and other national holidays, the attacks on anyone with a turkish flag, the illegalization of the turkish flag and everything with the name "turkish" on it.. and etc. and of course everybody got on their feet and rushed to the streets. the simple fact that they didnt move 1 finger when the pkk supporters rallied all over the country with apo posters and every shit, burned people with molotovs and then police reacting to chp/mhp/hepar/etc simple because they are what they are, is a whole reason to rage. tayyip comes, fools people with pasta, coal and whatever the crap promises and the slightly more educated part of the population just cant bear to see the other half being fooled so unrightfully. they say they finished terror: the terror increased fastest in their time. they said they finished unemplyoement: the unemployement rate of 2001 is lower than right now. they lie. they sneak their way into peoples votes and they fake party memberships. also once they get elected, they act much differently than how they promised or talked. none of the people who voted for him could have calculated his attidute in reyhanlı or with his dealings with pkk.

 

they said they were for Muslims but they supported an even tried to take part in iraq invasion. they said "we dont talk with apo" and then the next week they say "talking to apo is the only way". millions of lies like this. people are out of trust. people are afraid and angry.

 

im sure you really dont think that things are as simple as "wait for the next elections" in turkey. it would be fooling yourself. turkey changes everyday. 4 years is too long for us to be patient and too short for them to iron fist their positions.

 

 

agent orange canister

https://twitter.com/erdeemonline/status/340941546968985601/photo/1

https://twitter.com/aleyna_tuna/status/340957342789160960/photo/1

 

https://twitter.com/zencefilvefare/status/340945566001397760/photo/1

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=334758616627393&set=a.327099230726665.1073741828.327098650726723&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

 

http://www.bianet.org/bianet/insan-haklari/147129-ankara-da-15-i-agir-414-yarali

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151502368263731

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdaYmVHqKg

 

anyway there are many links im sure you can access from everywhere. its difficult to understand the situation with a numbified mind but some of these news wake it up

 

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35.       Faruk
1607 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 05:52 am

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free." 

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out. 

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now. 

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these? 

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again. 

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

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36.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 07:35 am

Why is your post out of the borders here. it´s not possible to read the whole thing. The end of the sentances are cut off. 

Quoting burakk

 

37.       LonsingerAmber
34 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 12:07 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Handsome you think you are so wise and you think we havent even opened a book in our lives. You think we are ignorant. But let me tell you this. I read more than one hundred books in a year. I just dont read them I also recommend the ones I like in twitter. Look at the link below. These are the books I finished and recommended. It is more then 400 in 2,5 years. There are also other books I read but didnt recommend. You dont know with who you are dancing:

 

https://twitter.com/kitaponerileri

 

 

 

 

 

 100 kitaplar per year, that´s twenty-five every three months, or 2/3 books a 

week!  thehandsome is dancing with a kitap delisi ....

38.       LonsingerAmber
34 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 12:09 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

All I can say is this is a big balloon and exaggeration. What kind of violence they did on you in these years? Did they arrested you, tortured you or anyone around you? Are they bombing your house or your city? If you´re a democratic person, you must be respectful for other people´s opinions and their elected government. You´re saying that you´ve been waiting for 3 elections and still no result? Well, those people had been waiting for a few decades. And they were actually suffering from the government. There were no equal rights, no freedom of speech and thought, no freedom of religion. What kind of restrictions or violence have you been exposed recently? Anybody can say anything now and live freely. And people´s life standards increased. How did people posted all those messages while protesting? Many people have smart phones now. They have computers and many other unnecessary electronics. They can sip their coffees in Starbucks, go online on their phones or computers and post messages against government and say "we are not free."

Just because your ideology is different than other people and their government who was elected by democratic election, doesn´t mean that you can provoke people and do protests, do violent acts on innocent people and police to try to "take over" the government. If you have a problem with the government, you can raise the awareness of the public and on the next elections, you can kick them out.

By the way, I was really entertained while checking facebook and twitter messages. Most of them were fake and funny. And many people didn´t even think a second and re-posted them like they are correct. They used old pictures such as an injured man from a boat accident and they posted it as the police ran over him by police panzer. Another one was showing thousands of poeple were on the Bosphorus Bridge like it´s been recently shot. However, it was also a photo from an annual marathon a few years back. There are many others like these. And because of that the situation seemed like there´s a war going between rioters and police and police was using "chemical weapons" and killing poeple. Those pictues are not proving that they´re using Agent Orange because there´s nothing written on those bullets and if the police used it, those people wouldn´t be alive by now.

I am not denying the fact that the police acted wrong at first, but the response from people was extreme. And a simple tree saving protest immediately turned into an anti-government protest quickly, mostly because those fake news. Of course, there were many provocators who did a good job and made it bigger. They also hid between people and provocate them, and they damaged properties, attacked other people and the police. They also make people think that the police is their enemy(!) and they proudly upload videos and pictures about it. I wonder what would they do, if their house was robbed, or if they were beaten, hurt, etc. Would they call the police after all these?

I say, thankfully there´s no other problems in Turkey, such as terrorism, economy, or others and when they see a tiny problem, they see it as an opportunity and turn it into a big pointless riot. But in the end, it will stop tomorrow because people will need to go to school and work on Monday morning and all will be same again.

I´m sorry, it was such a long post. Have a great Sunday!

 

 Heartbreaker man {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

39.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:04 pm

 

Quoting LonsingerAmber

 

 100 kitaplar per year, that´s twenty-five every three months, or 2/3 books a 

week!  thehandsome is dancing with a kitap delisi ....

Yeah and you see the proof in the link

 

40.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 02 Jun 2013 Sun 01:14 pm

 

Quoting Faruk

 

You see things from your side faruk. But there is always another side. I cant describe the stress and unhappiness I exprience for years. Goverment does really some good joobs. They direct economy good, they improve health system and they loan a good amount of money to students. I appreciate all of them. But they really lack emphaty. They should be more tolarable to people who have different ideas. They dont want any opposition. Their response to any kind of opposition (even so small) is really harsh. You can´t act this much harsh against opposition in our modern age. I hope you can understand my feelings and my concerns.

 



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