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6050.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 05:10 pm

I must admit I got a wee bit confused, is Lemon´s God JHWH meaning the Old Testament creator of everything or is it the Catholic God as in Holy Trinity (god, son and holy spirit)? And, does saying that those who don´t worship God are not from God, means that God created only a certain group of people, who worship him, while the others, either not worshipping any gods or worshipping the wrong ones, were created by somebody (thing?) else?

 

That reminds me of a joke:

 

An atheist dies and gets to hell. The devil is showing him around, there are naked women having sex everywhere, loads of alcohol, good music and happy people. then he spots a group of people screaming, sitting in huge pots hanging over fire. He asks the devil what that is supposed to mean, to which the devil replies: "Oh, pay no attention to them. they are Catholics. They have it  as they wished"

6051.       Trudy
7887 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 05:25 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 means that God created only a certain group of people, who worship him, while the others, either not worshipping any gods or worshipping the wrong ones, were created by somebody (thing?) else?

 

 

 

Jehovah Witnesses do say that. Only 144.000 baptised Christians will have a heavenly resurrection. All other people will only have an earthly resurrection.

6052.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 05:54 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 means that God created only a certain group of people, who worship him, while the others, either not worshipping any gods or worshipping the wrong ones, were created by somebody (thing?) else?

 

 

 

Jehovah Witnesses do say that. Only 144.000 baptised Christians will have a heavenly resurrection. All other people will only have an earthly resurrection.

 

Do they? I´ve never really invited them in when they knocked on my door so i don´t know the basics. I have a friend, though, who decided to leave this sect because she found too many contradictions in what they teach. The lovely thing about it was that once she left them, her whole family was told to ignore her. Now even her mother won´t talk to her.

6053.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 09:32 pm

I just remember that my Jehova´s friend couldn´t eat cake on my birthday, since birthday cake is evil. Birthday cake means you´re worshipping the birthday girl... hm, not my kind of belief Give me my cake!

6054.       lemon
1374 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:35 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Lemon...I will make it simple for you... You are NOT God, so you have no idea what aybody´s innermost thoughts and ideas are. You don´t know if I´m good or bad. You don´t know what I can and can´t do. You are not allmighty, and therefor you can´t make allmighty statements. If you say you believe in the Bible, then preach the Bible. If you don´t believe in the things the Bible writes, then don´t say that what you believe in is from the Bible. You say "God is not all Love and Mercy"... Well, God is not all wrath and vengance either! He/she might be in reality, but if you believe in the Bible, then you believe in a mercifull God. If you think God is like a kid playing with ants, just bugging us and stamping on us to kill us in the end, fine. But then you can´t say that what you believe is from the Bible, because the Bible shows a God with a harsh and a soft side.

 

By the way, you don´t have to warn us and frighting us for death. I know I will die one day, and I´m not afraid of it. I might get run over a bus tomorrow, and the running over bit would be a downer, but the dying bit is a part of life.

Oh, thank you for pulling me down to earth. I thought I was God. {#emotions_dlg.unsure} Barba, why are you so unrealistic, untrue, and artificial? You behave like a teenager. You explain things to me that I´ve known for years. I´ve studied Bible in many ways. I have it even in Greek (konkordancja) to compare with KJV and Tysiaclatka in Polish. My husband completed two years of Biblical seminary. We both can read and write Greek. Bible is a daily bread to me. I wonder where do get your arrogance.

 

If you want to know the truth. Your payment is death. My payment is death. If you dont believe me, open the Bible and read it. Read the whole New Testament. You will be shocked that you are heading straight to hell together with other billions of people. Who said so? Bible said so.

God is holy and is not even a bit tolerant.If God was all loving and tolerant would He send His one and beloved Son to death on a cross? If God was merciful would there be hell and punishment? Read the whole Old Testament and tell me then if you still see God in pink tinted glasses?

 

I warn you. I said what I said. It is your business. You can ignore me and continue your wonderful life.You are definitely a better person than me.

 

 

 

6055.       lemon
1374 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:38 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

You´re talking about YHWH, Jahweh, the name Jehova Witnesses use, are you one of them?

 

No, I am not a Jehovah Witness. Trudy, you cant categorize me. I simply believe in Jesus. I dont belong to any denomination.

 

6056.       lemon
1374 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:46 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I must admit I got a wee bit confused, is Lemon´s God JHWH meaning the Old Testament creator of everything or is it the Catholic God as in Holy Trinity (god, son and holy spirit)? And, does saying that those who don´t worship God are not from God, means that God created only a certain group of people, who worship him, while the others, either not worshipping any gods or worshipping the wrong ones, were created by somebody (thing?) else?

 

 

Theres no such a thing like a catholic god.

God created everyone and everything except evil. When I say those who dont worship God arent from God it means, they dont belong to the community of God. They will be rejected.

So everyone who is not saved by Jesus doesnt belong to God. He/she will be cut off and thrown into the fire as a useless vine or olive tree.

6057.       gezegen
269 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:54 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

God created everyone and everything except evil.

 

Hmm... strange and interesting! Sorry, but the question arises immediately: Did God forget to create ´evil´ or did he simply leave it to humans to create? Maybe he simply thought that creating ´evil´ cannot be his business but human´s? Or maybe he got too tired by creating almost everything and when it came to creating ´evil´, he said: ´Evil, eh? I don´t care!´

And what was the sin of ´evil´, in order not to be created by God? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Edited (6/5/2010) by gezegen

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6058.       lemon
1374 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:56 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 means that God created only a certain group of people, who worship him, while the others, either not worshipping any gods or worshipping the wrong ones, were created by somebody (thing?) else?

 

 

 

Jehovah Witnesses do say that. Only 144.000 baptised Christians will have a heavenly resurrection. All other people will only have an earthly resurrection.

 

Incorrect. It is about 12 Jewish tribes not christians. 12000 from each tribe to be left on earth to reign together with Jesus.

Theres nothing like heavenly or earthly resurrection.

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6059.       lemon
1374 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 12:01 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

I just remember that my Jehova´s friend couldn´t eat cake on my birthday, since birthday cake is evil. Birthday cake means you´re worshipping the birthday girl... hm, not my kind of belief Give me my cake!

 

They dont celebrate any of those events that is celebrated in the world.

I agree with them in this regard. Because, the origins of all holidays are the pagan.

 

Birthdays are pagan. Jews never celebrated them. They did celebrate commemorations (some of events or the dates of death).

 

Christmas is pagan. We all know that. It was accustomed into christianity.

 

Easter is pagan as well. It should be Pasha, kept as pasHa (without those stupid eggs and bunnies).

 

6060.       gezegen
269 posts
 06 Jun 2010 Sun 12:08 am

lemon - for my part, I didn´t know you are a priest and give Sunday sermons! {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

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