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6070.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 11:46 am

1) lemon IS not God... should I say that lemon is God to make myself look like an adult?

2) Death is good if you go to heaven.

3) Only God can judge. What exactly do you know about my life, that you are so sure I´m going to hell? You seem to be very keen condemming people you don´t even know. You are so sure I don´t know anything about the bible, well... looky here:

 

"The Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, "The Lord! The Lord, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness and truth…" (Exodus 34:6)
"Therefore be merciful, even as your Father is also merciful." (Luke 6:36)

"For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by oath."(Deuteronomy 4:31)

Hm, interesting. Does this say the Father (aka GOD) is merciful? It´s pretty literal. Are you saying there are lies in the Bible, lemon?

 

"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy" (Matthew 5:7)

"For the man who has had no mercy will be judged without mercy, but mercy takes pride in overcoming judging." (James 2:13)

Wow... If I were you lemon, I would be worried!

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6071.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:03 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

 

............er...um....maybe equipment?

 

I know poor workman always blames his tools..

But I can assure you the tool is not the issue here  {#emotions_dlg.angel}

lol

6072.       lemon
1374 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:20 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

1) lemon IS not God... should I say that lemon is God to make myself look like an adult?

2) Death is good if you go to heaven.

3) Only God can judge. What exactly do you know about my life, that you are so sure I´m going to hell? You seem to be very keen condemming people you don´t even know. You are so sure I don´t know anything about the bible, well... looky here:

 

"The Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, "The Lord! The Lord, a merciful and gracious God, slow to anger, and abundant in loving kindness and truth…" (Exodus 34:6)
"Therefore be merciful, even as your Father is also merciful." (Luke 6:36)

"For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by oath."(Deuteronomy 4:31)

Hm, interesting. Does this say the Father (aka GOD) is merciful? It´s pretty literal. Are you saying there are lies in the Bible, lemon?

 

"Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy" (Matthew 5:7)

"For the man who has had no mercy will be judged without mercy, but mercy takes pride in overcoming judging." (James 2:13)

Wow... If I were you lemon, I would be worried!

 

2) Death was never good. Death is the end, it is sadness. If death is good then why dont we kill each other send us to heaven? If death is good then kill yourself now and enjoy heaven straight away. To those who completely believed and put their trust in God death is a way from one life to another which must come by the will of God not ours.

3) I dont condemn you and I dont judge you, God does. and He will send you to hell, be sure of it, not out of love but out of hate of your sins. I can say to you: Barba, God is kind and love, therefore you deserve heaven. This will make you feel better. But will that be true?

Here Mathew 7:22

21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

 

Lets take the very beginning of Bible, namely Genesis. God punishes Adam and Eve straight away. He still takes care of them, but makes them to bear the consequences of their disobedience. So, where do you see tolerance, love and mercy in this matter?

The Bible is full of promises of hell and punishment for those who disobey God. And its also full of promises for blessings and heaven who choose to live with God.

There will be false teachers so called wolves in the skin of sheep. They will even pretend angels of light. Those false teachers teach that the same thing you preach, Barba, Love, Mercy, Tolerance and Peace.

 

In the Book of Revelation (the last book of bible) it says that Jesus will come fully armed with a sword in His mouth to destroy lawless world.

 

The problem with you, Barba (and others who claim to be clever than God Himself) is that you never read Bible. None of you sat and read the whole book of 66 books. And yet come, and give judgments or disbeliefs or even quotes pulled out of the context.

 

Its not me who is in trouble, Barba, its you. Because you ignore God by pleasing yourself with verses cut of its context. You are like this pharisee in this parable.

 

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: ´God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.´

 13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ´God, have mercy on me, a sinner.´

 14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

6073.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 01:46 pm

Way to go to ignore the parts of the bible that talk of mercy, and just focus on the wrath. Lemon, you must be very special that you know exactly what God thinks of me. I never knew there was a human-being who held the power to know what God is thinking.

6074.       lemon
1374 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 06:45 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Way to go to ignore the parts of the bible that talk of mercy, and just focus on the wrath. Lemon, you must be very special that you know exactly what God thinks of me. I never knew there was a human-being who held the power to know what God is thinking.

 

Whatever I say is my opinion only (based on my knowledge of Bible). Everyone who is not born again and didnt repent will go to hell automatically, because every thought, word and deed of yours will speak against you at the day of Judgement.

 

I never claimed that God is not mericful. He is all kindness and goodness along wrath and justice. I give you a whole picture, two sides of a coin. While you prefer only one side and ignore the other side.

 

Yes, I know what God is thinking (despite your sarcasm and refusal to understand my posts but pick on my personality), because its written in the Bible that theres no a single good person in this world who would deserve heaven. That is why all humans are going to hell if they dont reconcile with God.

 

If I know something then I know and I am confident of my knowledge unlike you, Barba, that is why I discuss. When I dont know I withdraw and admit I am no expert on it.

In most of my posts in the past I gave you unbeatable arguments in whatever discussions we had. Your arguments are cheap and dont hold a thing, but you still insist that you know something. Where do you get this arrogant confidence?

6075.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Jun 2010 Mon 11:56 pm

Can we lighten up PLEASE???  I don´t see any point in discussing this if we are all going to hell anyway....most of my friends will obviously be there{#emotions_dlg.angel}

6076.       gezegen
269 posts
 08 Jun 2010 Tue 12:07 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Can we lighten up PLEASE???  I don´t see any point in discussing this if we are all going to hell anyway....most of my friends will obviously be there{#emotions_dlg.angel}

 

You made me smile.... {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

6077.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 08 Jun 2010 Tue 09:14 am

Different topic... is anybody else feeling guilty about the World Cup Soccer thing? Up to this event, I was surprised to see they chose South Africa for this. And I was worried for the human rights in that area. A high increase of prostitution, human trade, and most shockingly child prostitution can be seen in the country, due to the event. So, before the World Cup hype was in full swing, I though about not watching it. But like always, I get swepped away! It´s the same as with the Chinese Olympics. Before I was all about the human rights and worried, but when it all started I was back behind my tv cheering for my countrymen and countrywomen. I was just wondering if anybody else is feeling like a total hypocrite

6078.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:15 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

 

Jesus is the salvation and the only way to God. If you have problem with this, then you have problem with Bible not with me.

 

As far as i understood this is absolutely true according to christian teachings that Jesus is the only salvation not deeds...

6079.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:20 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

Be real. God is not only Love and Mercy, He is also Wrath and Justice.

If He was just God of Love and Mercy there would be no sufferring, no tears.

 

 

Right ! There would be no hell, no divine justice, no need to have faith etc as well in that case and also "unconditional love" & "God is love" concepts totally fail, at least that is what i understood{#emotions_dlg.unsure}... 



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon

6080.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Jun 2010 Wed 06:32 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

God created everyone and everything except evil. 

 

Interesting and i agree. God did not create evil, in our disobedience we create evil. But again all is from God, by free will which is given by God we use our ego, pride and selfishness to create evil.



Edited (6/9/2010) by armegon

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