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The european Union
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 06:02 pm |
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Hey, im just woundering whether anyone knows when Turkey will be joining the European Union? I'd be very thankful if anyone has any information on this
thanks
stacey
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 08:29 pm |
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halo? any one from EU head staff?
plis answer this question!
cheers!
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 08:30 pm |
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 09:00 pm |
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We'll just have to wait and see.
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 02:18 am |
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joinin Eu,so big pain on our national proud,and thta sthe biggest shame of our politicians since 50 years.We Turkish people used to live with proud,never as a bad member of any union:::
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 02:20 am |
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honourable poverty always bettr then dishonourable wealth
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:53 am |
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every europian citizen makes 6 turks ppl as economical...
if we r equal i dont object to..
but they r sometime 2 faces to us..
i guess it is because they still blame us for being muslim and still cant stand on our culturel differences..
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 10:17 am |
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if this is the standpoint of turks themselves then why indeed EU should consider its entrance or membership?
i've been reading that the biggest obstacle is 'the human rites'. (hehehe i could talk on this endlessly)
when there was held a referendum in poland 23% who voted against the membership were uneducated mostly religious ppl who saw the west as the biggest evil in this world. today they with pleasure take the financial support from EU to their farms, they can easily travel within EU.
theres one million poles now just in uk (wrote the guardians) that most of them once voted against the membership (mostly workers, farmers from eastern poland). thanks God we dont rely on the dark mass.
EU is not the paradise. theses one happy country thats not the member. but this is another subject to talk on.
cheers
ps. pride is a big sin, those who r mature should know that pride brings nowhere! i would better count on wisdom not on the emotions!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 10:43 am |
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not for human right..
coz the same disturbing in the eu could be but ours are exaggerated...
they look to PKK little friends etc etc.. some of those reasons they r 2 faces..
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 11:28 am |
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Quoting duskahvesi: not for human right..
coz the same disturbing in the eu could be but ours are exaggerated...
they look to PKK little friends etc etc.. some of those reasons they r 2 faces..
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ok, dear friend, i agree with u, EU is double-faced and bad!
turkia is one faced(honest) and wonderful! therefore dont join the evil west! u r rite!
isnt it true that u like when foreigners sweeten u this way? u like when others lie u saying only positive things trying to avoid the misunderstanding for the sake of faulse peace and let u live in illusion.
u should consider this really deeply starting from the beginning with the question: 'why there arose such need or issue of joining EU?' 'why do we turks need joining EU, cant we be happy without it?' or 'wasnt it smth that ataturk initiated?'
think, friends, think, and dont rely on ur faulse emotions, dont rely on pride!
i dont say that turkia cant live without EU, it would be a huge lie. the west is not smth ideal.
seems ur great leader thought absolutely different way.
cheers 
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 11:33 am |
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i dont think we need the eu.. why dont they refuse us? coz they need us more then we do..
i dont say let not join the eu..
all i am trying to say is we have to be equal with other countries.. otherwise not necessary to push..
actually if we had some leaders like "man" we could already pass the eu as a wealthy, economics etc...
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 12:10 pm |
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Quoting duskahvesi: i dont think we need the eu.. why dont they refuse us? coz they need us more then we do..
i dont say let not join the eu..
all i am trying to say is we have to be equal with other countries.. otherwise not necessary to push..
actually if we had some leaders like 'man' we could already pass the eu as a wealthy, economics etc... |
can u make urself clear? 'i dont think we need the eu.. why dont they refuse us?' wot is this? i find theres no logic.
duskahvesi, i think u urself donno wot u want. u donno wot to say, u dont have a precise strong viewpoint, u swing between this and that. u put all the blame onto EU, as if turkia was absolutely spotless. it is very simple, u wanna join the club? u fulfill the requirements, thats all. u compare turkia to other countries? lets then compare, for instance, human rites r respected in poland more than in turkia, its obvious. and there r no religious extremists killing the gov tools, no 'honor killings'. i dont say poland is ideal, thats only the comparison i did.
who said that its easy to join the richest countries? only germany itself brings 30% of funds to the common share, just being one of 25.
why do u turks expect it easy? did ur great leader tell so 'complain and accuse then it ll easily come to u, just fall from the sky'?
things should be worked out for. mentality should change. u still live with ur great history of ottoman empire, which has gone with the wind now, wake up, its 21st century now. u better scope on the future, not on the history. and many of ppl wanna live according to the schemes (traditions) established even before the middle ages.
it just should be YES or NO, unless u make it that clear u ll keep swinging between the two worlds! its all up to u! the question is still the same: 'to be or not to be!' 
cheers!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 12:27 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting duskahvesi: i dont think we need the eu.. why dont they refuse us? coz they need us more then we do..
i dont say let not join the eu..
all i am trying to say is we have to be equal with other countries.. otherwise not necessary to push..
actually if we had some leaders like 'man' we could already pass the eu as a wealthy, economics etc... |
can u make urself clear? 'i dont think we need the eu.. why dont they refuse us?' wot is this? i find theres no logic.
duskahvesi, i think u urself donno wot u want. u donno wot to say, u dont have a precise strong viewpoint, u swing between this and that. u put all the blame onto EU, as if turkia was absolutely spotless. it is very simple, u wanna join the club? u fulfill the requirements, thats all. u compare turkia to other countries? lets then compare, for instance, human rites r respected in poland more than in turkia, its obvious. and there r no religious extremists killing the gov tools, no 'honor killings'. i dont say poland is ideal, thats only the comparison i did.
who said that its easy to join the richest countries? only germany itself brings 30% of funds to the common share, just being one of 25.
why do u turks expect it easy? did ur great leader tell so 'complain and accuse then it ll easily come to u, just fall from the sky'?
things should be worked out for. mentality should change. u still live with ur great history of ottoman empire, which has gone with the wind now, wake up, its 21st century now. u better scope on the future, not on the history. and many of ppl wanna live according to the schemes (traditions) established even before the middle ages.
it just should be YES or NO, unless u make it that clear u ll keep swinging between the two worlds! its all up to u! the question is still the same: 'to be or not to be!'
cheers!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 12:42 pm |
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u r absolutely rite, only u can change it, nobody will do that for u!
i dont idealize the west, im not blind, i can tell u lots of minuses of westerners, as well, but i ll tell it to westerners not to u, and i actually do that on other western sites forums!
take care
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 12:46 pm |
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Every country entitled to keep its own identity ,and he too entitled to be proud of his ottoman inheriting,it is a big history,and a great culture,
A country with no history,is a country with no future
Democracy is to let everyone live the way they like on conditions that they don't harm others arround them
Each country got its own traditions
So if they want to live accourding to their traditions,its their rights too
And i don't think the requirements is to lose their identity so they can join
İ guess they are trying to achieve the requirements,without losing their identity in the process ,and it is their right to keep it
Or else,you wouldn't find much difference in leaving your home land and travelling to Turkiye
They would be same!!!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:10 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Every country entitled to keep its own identity ,and he too entitled to be proud of his ottoman inheriting,it is a big history,and a great culture,
A country with no history,is a country with no future
Democracy is to let everyone live the way they like on conditions that they don't harm others arround them
Each country got its own traditions
So if they want to live accourding to their traditions,its their rights too
And i don't think the requirements is to lose their identity so they can join
İ guess they are trying to achieve the requirements,without losing their identity in the process ,and it is their right to keep it
Or else,you wouldn't find much difference in leaving your home land and travelling to Turkiye
They would be same!!! |
that saying "a country without a history has no future" is so much not true. in the history, nations appeared and disappeared, empires come and go even they did had great histories. according to this proverb the countries like usa or canada wouldnt have any chance to be the power as they r today. not all proverbs r wise, if u analize them. but some wish take it as it is, not thinking how and why they were made up, the proverbs r made by the same ppl like us for certain purposes, they were not gods .
differences r really attractive i agree with u.
then its better for turkia not to join, cos the criterias of EU r strict. im watching now, after joining EU poland must obey and fulfill all the requirements, so there r now efforts to level in many aspects to the standards of EU, u dont want or u dont do, u wont get any support from EU. isnt it simple?
then why complain on refusals from EU?
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:16 pm |
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mrx, i suggest u to read my posts carefully before commenting them!
im not one of the sweeteners nor pink love supporters!
i know it hurts to hear the criticisms.
cheers
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:23 pm |
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İ don't really understand what are you saying ,do you think it is better for them to forget their history ? and why would they do that ?
Coutries try to find themselves a history and they already have a great one
And,İ didn't say it is better for Turkia not to join,i am saying they should work both way
Turkia to try to fulfill the EU requirements
And for EU to respect the countries identities
And i guess that is fair enough
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:38 pm |
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:45 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: İ don't really understand what are you saying ,do you think it is better for them to forget their history ? and why would they do that ?
Coutries try to find themselves a history and they already have a great one
And,İ didn't say it is better for Turkia not to join,i am saying they should work both way
Turkia to try to fulfill the EU requirements
And for EU to respect the countries identities
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those who dont know the history r fools, but those who live in the history r ghosts! is it clear enough?
i never said forget ur history, i said scope on ur future!
canli, u also swing between the worlds.
it must be: YES or NO,
we live a peaceful life (mostly neutrally), but there r times when we r forced to choose, YES or NO. the neutral state is not taken into consideration.
when the hman rites r respected to a major extent, things start become clear and better.
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:50 pm |
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scalpel,
thanks for ur suggestion!
i now shut up and disappear.
farewell! 
ps. i admit, yes, u r rite, i know nothing!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 01:57 pm |
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saying that u have no rite to discuss on turkia is immature!
u cant forbide me, as i cant forbide u to discuss on qazaqs.
and i was not making fun of turkia.
and i have a sense of humor in comparison to u, cos i can laugh together with "borat" stuff at my country! im the first one who criticises my own country!
goodbye
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 02:10 pm |
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 02:37 pm |
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my target is human rites, and human rites dont change according to the culture or history.
no matter wot cultural and historical background u have u ought to repect those rites.
im not genious or a machine of a knowledge, i know a bit of this and a bit of that, i can discuss it without a thorough knowledge (cos i believe i ll never get the absolute knowledge of anything at all, the day i say i know everything im a complete fool) cos im not the member of EU commission whose gonna decide the fates of many nations. and the discussion here is not held on the level of republic. we r simple ppl trying to exchange the viewpoints. if u r not able to respect me just cos i disagree with u, then THIS actually disqualifies u from the discussion.
i suggest u to change ur tone towards me. when did turn from a nice gentleman scalpel into the rude person? r u showing now ur real face, dear friend?
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 02:53 pm |
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As i said in my previous posts, i dont like to get into these arguments on here but i think this one too is getting out of hand. as i recall the questions was 'do you think turkey will go into the UK?' so why has it blown up again out of all proportions? to start inflicting insults on people that used to be good friends on here is pointless. everyone has their own opinions, but i agree that things should be read up on before commenting otherwise its just not fair.
Personally i think Turkiye deserve to go into the EU, after all they are just normal people and have the right to aswell. But even though i think they will join, it wont be for a long time and also i dont want them to join as it will take away from what turkey is, a nice country with great people and cultures. I hope this never happens.
People see the EU as an 'escape' but believe me you will want to escape back out of it when you realise its not the paradise that you think it is.
Quote: i suggest u to change ur tone towards me. when did turn from a nice gentleman scalpel into the rude person? r u showing now ur real face, dear friend? |
Scalpel is also entitled to his opinion femme just like you.
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 03:18 pm |
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 03:52 pm |
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You want to change this ??!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0gBhQGp4Ik&mode=related&search=
This warm ,this care ,this mix ?!!
İ wouldn't change this for anything in the whole world
You've talked about traditions,and history,a nation's personality comes from her own traditions and historys
No one dare to ask to change this,it is a nation pride
And that is what i don't agree about it with you,we don't live in history,but history is our resource for the furure too,tradition and history make the kind of people each nation is
Money comes and goes,but what's between people,the comunications,the link,the care ,the warm that is something comes with traditions,with culture,with birth
Neither money,nor anything can buy
My piece of advice is,
Stay the way you are my Turkish friends,
You are unique and wonderful this way
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 03:57 pm |
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My opinion
Joining the EU was the worse thing Britian every did
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:12 pm |
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oren, dear, dont mess it here, i never forbide anyone to share! and i never said, u know nothing then shut up.
u know things that i donno, and i know things that u donno, so everybody feel free to share!
oren, pls read before u comment!
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:18 pm |
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oren, poles r also normal ppl, but now they have to adjust to the standards of EU, since they have decided to join it.
they should make orders in their laws and etc.
but does it mean that poles r barbarians since they have to listen to EU?
why cant u take these things to ur mind? the club has its rules, u dont like the rules u dont join. is anybody forcing turkia to join? no, its free! but it wont be free after joining.
scal, yes, hahahaha, God sent me to look after the human rites! does it change anything?
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:21 pm |
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a real unity's road pass on love,friendship and tolerance,if the aim for get benefits from a unity,i think theres no luck for get long....so economican and political unities not have big luck.And i believe that international state relationships look like human relationships,when benefits become the first matter,how you can find equality or sincere???
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:39 pm |
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everyone would like to see equality, but in a real world this is not possible. Give 3 people £10 and their are equal. The first may spend all theirs. The second may spend £5 and save the rest and the third may use theirs wisely and increase theirs to more than £10. They then become unequal again.
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:44 pm |
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sure christine my mean never an unlimited equality,sure thats opposite to nature's rules.But i'm talking about prenciples,how you can say another one be more democratical while u r not enough?
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:51 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: sure christine my mean never an unlimited equality,sure thats opposite to nature's rules.But i'm talking about prenciples,how you can say another one be more democratical while u r not enough? |
Mr X67. i was not criterioning you on what you said. I was just making a comment.I always say treat people how you expect to be treated yourself, with kindness and consideration
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 04:54 pm |
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Quoting christine: Quoting MrX67: sure christine my mean never an unlimited equality,sure thats opposite to nature's rules.But i'm talking about prenciples,how you can say another one be more democratical while u r not enough? |
Mr X67. i was not criterioning you on what you said. I was just making a comment.I always say treat people how you expect to be treated yourself with kindness and consideration |
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 05:20 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting christine: Quoting MrX67: sure christine my mean never an unlimited equality,sure thats opposite to nature's rules.But i'm talking about prenciples,how you can say another one be more democratical while u r not enough? |
Mr X67. i was not criterioning you on what you said. I was just making a comment.I always say treat people how you expect to be treated yourself with kindness and consideration |
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agree
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 05:33 pm |
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I would just like to point out that i ALWAYS read the posts before i even post a reply, I couldnt post a reply if i didnt! what i posted was fair, and not to support any member in what they think because actually i dont agree with any of you, as i have my OWN opinions and thats what i was trying to get across.
these stupid posts are getting in the way of certain friendships and i find that very sad.
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29 Jul 2006 Sat 06:20 pm |
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Quoting oreniyorum8: I would just like to point out that i ALWAYS read the posts before i even post a reply, I couldnt post a reply if i didnt! what i posted was fair, and not to support any member in what they think because actually i dont agree with any of you, as i have my OWN opinions and thats what i was trying to get across.
these stupid posts are getting in the way of certain friendships and i find that very sad. |
 is it good to say others talk this,don't talk this,talk this much etc...?
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