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TURKISH LANGUAGE IS A MATHEMATICAL LANGUAGEl
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50.       Prym
192 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 08:40 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Please write in English, many people don't understand what you're talking about.



First part is in English. I was talking to Dilara she is getting good in Turkish Learning progress and we are talking about nobody cares to learn Turkish anymore they are only writing nasty things or making silly jokes around threads. There is no admin there is no real rules. I am here to practice my english and to help people like Dilara and they are minority

PS: This is Turkish Class I don't think it is rude to write in Turkish.

51.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 08:40 pm

Dilara haklı = Dilara is right.
Bu Site Turkish Language Class değil mi = Is this Sıte Turkish Language Class?
Biz ingilizce öğrenmeye çalışıyoruz = We try to learn English.
Fakat bazı arkadaşlar Türkçe öğrenmek istemiyor = But some friends don't want to learn Turkish.

52.       si++
3785 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 09:51 pm

Quoting someone not so good at math:

sunflowerseed stated the fact.
the fact that we all know, but not many have a courage to speak.

1I + 2love = 3 you
european languages order
1+2=3
2+1=3

turkic languages
1+2=3
2+1=3
and also
3+1=2
1+3=2
3+2=1
2+3=1
lol very mathematical and very logic lol
turkic languages are jungles
it doesnt mean i dont respect the languages, it means im stating the facts.
and i know i hurt the patriotic feelings of turkic nations.
but sorry, this is the naked truth of our reality.

i just cant stand self praising people that have no basis to boast.


Your math is terrible.

53.       si++
3785 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 09:54 pm

Quoting Someone good at Turkish:

Quoting Prym:

Quoting Dilara:

Why do all threads here have to be spoiled with out-of-topic remarks I wonder...!!!!!! even interesting ones like this!




I guess this is Turkish Class habit or traditon nobody cares to learn Turkish anymore. Senin gibi bir kaç kişi hariç. Cesaretin krılmasın çok iyi gidiyorsun.



Tesekkur ederim Prym!
Turkçe ogrenmek isteyen birkaç kisi var... insanlarin çogu artik yardim etmek istemiyor galiba , sadece nahoş seyler yaziyorlar...
Neden burada olduklarini bilmiyorum... sen biliyor musun?

Dilara, Türkçen harika. Takdir ettim.

54.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:30 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting someone not so good at math:

sunflowerseed stated the fact.
the fact that we all know, but not many have a courage to speak.

1I + 2love = 3 you
european languages order
1+2=3
2+1=3

turkic languages
1+2=3
2+1=3
and also
3+1=2
1+3=2
3+2=1
2+3=1
lol very mathematical and very logic lol
turkic languages are jungles
it doesnt mean i dont respect the languages, it means im stating the facts.
and i know i hurt the patriotic feelings of turkic nations.
but sorry, this is the naked truth of our reality.

i just cant stand self praising people that have no basis to boast.


Your math is terrible.


oh dear, how shallow your thinking is!
gosh, i cant believe there are so many limited people on this earth! i just tried to draw how turkish can be used within the very simple math pattern namely 'a+b=c' (seemingly turks use another pattern 'a+b=ab').
but turkish logics differ from the very simple logics that rule in the world because it doesnt praise the turkishness.
if you just can understand, if you just could look beyond your turkishness you would have grasped the idea how limited you are with your false pride.

i give up you win turkish is great! turkish language is very mathematical and turkey is a soul and heart of the earth! turks rule!

but let me just after pretending!

55.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:36 pm

FF,
You'd better master Turkish language quickly. In 15 years, all the world will be speaking only in Turkish. You dont want to look stupid then, do you? ))))))))))))))))

56.       Umut_Umut
485 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:37 pm

Hey. I have translated an article which is related to this topic. Sorry for my english cos I know i made mistakes.




Turkish Language's Mathematical Structure

Victor Hugo wrote his poems by using 40.000 words . Although Yaşar Kemal is one of the best writer, he use max 3.500 words in his novels. Its a common wisdom and its true. Because Turkish have less words than French. It has less words than English, German and Spanish too. But by using those datas, we cant say that Turkish is an incapable language. Because Turkish can explain more things with less words. If it includes more word, it wont be problem but its needless.

When you open your dictionary and write similar words which have little difference, you will see the same Turkish word. And you can think that this is the deficiency of Turkish but this is not. Because the languages that we talked about above are based on learning stationary meanings of words, and Turkish is based on dynamic interpretation. You should understand the right meaning of the word.

In Turkish, definitions that are written in a dictionary doesnt designate the meaning of a word. This word’s location in a sentence designates it. At this juncture, we can put forward that Turkish has infinite words. And the words in Turkish dictionaries are just for to reference.

When you look an English-Turkish dictionary for the meanings of sick , ill and patient you will always get hasta as the meanings of those words. In this sense we can say that English has 3 times more word than Turkish. But we cant say that in Turkish we dont emphasize the differences of those words. When you say böbrek hastası olmak (being kidney ill), internet hastası olmak (having internet passion) or filanca şarkının hastası olmak (being crazy about a song), the one who speaks Turkish would understand the difference of those words at once. Its not that hard to understand this situation. Get a pen and write this;

3 + 5 =.

12 + 5 =.

38 + 5 =.


We wrote +5 to all and we obtained different results. Just like in all words above we use hastası olmak but we explained different things. Turkish can explain more things by using less words because it based on Math. In all 15 symbol {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,+,-, /,*, (,)} we can do limitless arithmetical operations. Turkish has similar characteristics too. We can say that Turkish based on Math but beyond that Turkish is disguising form of Math.

If you know how to make plural in Turkish, that means you know how to make plural of the words that will be created 5 years later or the words that were used 300 years ago. Its just the same way with that; when you learn how to solve an equation that has 2 unknown subject like that {2X + Y = 15 if Y = 1 X=? }, you can solve all of that kinds equations. X and Y’s value is not important.

However, for example in English the verbs past form depends on the verb. (Go > Went / Do > Did) And when you try to make plural it also depends on the word. ( Foot > Feet / Boot > Boots not Beet ) There is no consistent logic. If you want to use those words and verbs, you just have to memorize words plural forms and verbs past forms.

But in Turkish you dont need to memorize stationary words, instead of it, its enough to learn dynamical rules. In Turkish there are nearly no exceptions. The exceptions are just minor examples. (For example according to vowel harmony, elma (apple) should be alma .) In Turkish, rules are strong and definite.

After that point i will give mathematical formules to concretize the relation between Math and Turkish language. And its best way is using binary code system. So it will be enough to use 0 and 1. [ 0 = Nonexistent ] [ 1 = Existent ]

Radical Word. (Ev)

Plural Addition. (-ler)

Mathematical Expression.

Ev 1.0. (Home)

Ev ler 1.1. (Homes)

Ler 0.1. (Plural Addition)

We can assume that every Turkish word is 2 bit. All singular words are 1.0 (have radical word, no plural addition) and all plural words are 1.1(have radical word and plural addition). This rule never changes. And in addition to this you cant make plural of a nonexisting word in any language but Turkish. If you say a man sadece”ler” {sadece : only -ler: plural form} he will reply like that ; anladık ler de neler ? (I understand ler but what?) Here its obvious that you say somethings plural form but the object is not clear.

Radical Adjective ( Kırmızı )

To Emphasize ( Kıpkırmızı )

To Weaken ( Kırmızımsı )

Mathematical Expression.

Kırmızı 0.1.0. (Red)

Kıpkırmızı 1.1.0. (Crimson)

Kırmızımsı 0.1.1. (Reddish)

Kıpkırmızımsı 1.1.1. ( There is no adjective like that )

This rule which is used for to strengthen and weaken the meaning of adjectives never changes too. If you want you can even create weird adjectives which are not exist in any dictionary. “Güneş doğmazdan evvel ufuk kıpkırmızımsı (Kıp + kırmızı + msı [1.1.1]) bir renk aldı.” {Before sunrise, horizon became dark reddish (kıpkırmızımsı )} When you say that sentence to a Turk, he would understand what you want to say. Because this adjective goes well with that rule which is known by all people who speaks Turkish.

Conjugation rules are not different too. Here we will use 3 bits for people and 2 bits for tenses. Multiple bit groups will couch those;


011 = ben. (I)

010 = sen. (You)

000 = o. (He/She/It)

111 = biz. (We)

110 = siz. (You)

100 = onlar. (They)

-.

00 = geniş zaman. ( Present Tense)

11 = şimdiki zaman. ( Present Continuous Tense)

10 = gelecek zaman. ( Future Tense)

01 = geçmiş zaman. ( Past Tense)

--------

Oku (Y) abil di m. ( I could read)

1.1.0.01.0.0.011.

Oku (Y) a maz mış sın. ( You could not read)

1.1.1.00.0.1.010.

Gel me (Y) ecek ti. ( He would not come)

1.0.1.10.1.0.000.

Git me dik. ( We didnt go)

1.0.1.01.0.0.111.

Şaşır abil ecek ti niz. ( You would be surprised)

1.1.0.10.1.0.110.

Bil (İ ) Yor lar. (They know)

1.0.0.11.0.0.100.



Putting in order of units (subject , object, verb) that generate sentence is not random too. Turkish sentences follows a kind of crescendo. All emphesis is upon the verb that takes the last part of the sentence. Other units importance are depend on their closeness of verb. When you put the unit near the verb its importance in the sentence will be increase.

If you change units location in a sentence, this sentence’s meaning will change too. For example;

1 - dün Ahmet camı kırdı. { dün(0001) Ahmet (0011) camı (0111) kırdı (1111) }

2 - dün camı Ahmet kırdı. { dün(0001) camı (0011) Ahmet (0111) kırdı (1111) }

3 - Ahmet dün camı kırdı. { Ahmet (0001) dün (0011) camı (0111) kırdı (1111) }

4 - Ahmet camı dün kırdı. { Ahmet (0001) camı (0011) dün (0111) kırdı(1111) }

5 - camı dün Ahmet kırdı. { camı (0001) dün (0011) Ahmet (0111) kırdı (1111) }

6 - camı Ahmet dün kırdı. { camı (0001) Ahmet (0011) dün (0111) kırdı (1111) }


Now we will discuss on those sentences above. Here all units is same ( camı will be camı in all sentences as all other units, verb always be 3. singular person and it always be past tense) but sentences meaning is changed by changing those units location.

1.Sentence : dün Ahmet camı kırdı. >>> Yesterday Ahmet made a thing. This thing was breaking the window.

2. Sentence : dün camı Ahmet kırdı. >>> He was Ahmet who broke the window yesterday. Guilty person is Ahmet.

3. Sentence : Ahmet dün camı kırdı. >>> Ahmet’s yesterdays work was breaking the window. Maybe the day before yesterday he read book.

4. Sentence : Ahmet camı dün kırdı. >>> Ahmet broke the window and it was yesterday when he broke.

5. Sentence : camı dün Ahmet kırdı. >>> The window was safe till yesterday and the one who broke it is Ahmet.

6. Sentence : camı Ahmet dün kırdı. >>> Ahmet would break the window in any case and he did it yesterday.


In every sentences, 1111 is the most important one than 0111 , 0011, 0001 comes. {1111 is verb kırdı. } Here, determinative thing of the meaning are the values of that every unit. A person who knows Turkish will understand the difference of those sentences at once.

If you want to say those examples above by using the languages whichs words have stationary meaning, you can just make 2 variation with changing time adverb (dün), except that if you want to give other meanings too you should change the mood (passive mood) or you should add some explanatory words.

57.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:38 pm

Quoting Prym:


First part is in English. I was talking to Dilara she is getting good in Turkish Learning progress


dilara is a hero! let us praise her!
but how shallow her desire to learn turkish is if after a criticism of mine or sunflowerseed she suddenly is discouraged!
was it false? did she learn the language because everybody praised the language?
this doesnt hold water.

Quoting Prym:


and we are talking about nobody cares to learn Turkish anymore they are only writing nasty things or making silly jokes around threads.



boring !!!

Quoting Prym:


There is no admin there is no real rules. I am here to practice my english and to help people like Dilara and they are minority


oh, it must be something that the language itself doesnt indeed attract, but only due to boyfriends (see dudus)
im sorry that you and dilara are the minority.

Quoting Prym:


PS: This is Turkish Class I don't think it is rude to write in Turkish.


nobody said its rude.

58.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:39 pm


Quoting AlphaF:

FF,
You'd better master Turkish language quickly. In 15 years, all the world will be speaking only in Turkish. You dont want to look stupid then, do you? ))))))))))))))))


lol

59.       Prym
192 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:43 pm

Femme Fatal are you here to insult Turkey and Turkish people? You are rude and disrespectful Bütün postaların saçma sapan susayım dedim ama dayanamayacağım artık. Posta sayına bakılırsa uzun zamandır buradasın dolayısyla Türkçe yazmakta bir sakınca görmüyorum. Gerçekten niyetin ne? Çok merak ettim!!!

60.       Prym
192 posts
 25 Dec 2007 Tue 10:45 pm

double post.

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