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TURKISH LANGUAGE IS A MATHEMATICAL LANGUAGEl
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 01:25 am |
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Quoting Umut_Umut: Quoting TURQuazman: in addition: in most languages used today, 1500 words used in public.
Somebody here said Yaşar Kemal used 3500 word in his books comparing victor Hugo used 40000 words in poems.
Yaşar Kemal is a public writer and used a simple language, so you cant get him for a language usage comparison
if you compare victor Hugo to someone try these poets
Fuzuli (1480-1556)
Baki (1526-160
Nefi (1572-1635)
Naili (1610-1666)
Nedim (1681-173 |
Turquazman i think you should read all. And it wasnt me who compared. I just translated an article. Just read the whole article please. |
OK I am owner of MY WORDS, If I dont accept an idea I never think it is worthy, so something is NOT worthy there is NO NEED to SPEAK OUT
this means I read all passage
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 07:46 am |
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Quoting Someone who seems to hate anything Turkish: Quoting si++:
You're talking nonsense.
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prove it
Quoting si++:
Apprerantly you're only here to attack (at times insult) anything Turkish.
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bla blah
Quoting si++:
A small lecture.
Turkish is a postfix language compared to those which are infix (IE).
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on what basis you claim one language is a postfix and another infix?
teach me more, pls.
Quoting si++:
In infix notation, one writes the mathematical expression (25 * 10 + 50 )
In postfix notation, it becomes 25 10 * 50 +
(or 25 ile 10 u çarp 50 ekle, this is exactly how Turkish order is, sometimes they call it RPN or reverse Polish notation)
Postfix notation is indeed more efficient and commonly used in calculators from Hewlett-Packard for example. Another example of how efficient is forth language (check it out). |
well, i checked out.
and how do you link rpn (may all glory go to jan lukasiewicz) to turkish?
on what basis? |
Get outta here.
You really hate Turks, don't you? That can't be for no reason. What did Turks did to you?
You jumped into this thread to attack us again like you always do. But this is wrong territory. Turkish is a great language and you can only bark at it. From a distance.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 07:51 am |
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Quoting yilgun-7:
Türkçe Dünyanın en eski dillerinden biridir = Turkish language is the most important language in the world. |
çok kuvvetli kelimeler !!!
it depends how you define the word "important". No particular language is more "important" than any other. It depends on your and users of a language circumstances. I mean, eg: if you are a monoglot Greek, then Greek is the most important language in your life,if you are born in one of African tribes you will speak African tribal dialect with all respect to its meaning ,grammar and pronouncation.Being a Turk ,Turkish is important language for you as your mother tongue and carrier of your social background and culture.
Judging the importance of one language over the rest is being trapped in catch 22 situation.
If importance is measured by amount of usage.....
Just a quotation from Nocturne Note(linguistic site)
The most commonly used language in the world is Mandarin. Over one billion people speak Mandarin as their mother tongue.
The next most common languages are:
English 500 million
Hindustani 497 million
Spanish 390 million
Russian 280 million
Arabic 250 million
Bengali 210 million
Portugese 190 million
Malay-Indonesian 160 million
These are the most important languages in terms of total population, but the world has 191 countries and over 6800 languages! Many of these languages are limited to very small geographic areas or small ethnic populations, but they're all fully evolved, complex, culturally rich linguistic systems.
Important languages in business and for Internet service providers
The languages that are important in international business, as an Internet service provider, depend largely on the specific business you are in, the service you provide, and where you are focusing your marketing efforts. In general, we can say that the following languages are key for most international service providers:
English
German
Italian
Japanese
Spanish
What makes a language important to business? It's partly a matter of target population, and it's partly the affluence of each population and their willingness to do business outside their local communities or nations.
Important languages in science and technology
The languages that are important in the fields of science and technology are arguably the following:
English
German
Russian
Spanish
What makes a language important to science and technology? It's primarily the amount of science being done in a given linguistic group, and partly the accessibility of that language to the larger scientific and technical community (either through bilingualism or through machine-mediated translation). "
Of course we can discuss why English,which seems to be illogical ( different spelling,pronouncation,fixed word order,etc..)took over ,but it is undeniable fact.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 07:56 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: ..... In 15 years, all the world will be speaking only in Turkish...... |
Is a new crusade being prepared by Alpha???  
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 11:20 am |
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Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting AlphaF: ..... In 15 years, all the world will be speaking only in Turkish...... |
Is a new crusade being prepared by Alpha??? |
If Thomas Edward Lawrence had failed and the Oslmanli had survived World War I. Think about Oil politics. I wouldn't be working to learn Turkish. I would know it already.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 06:19 pm |
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Quoting si++:
Get outta here.
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please, dont bark!
Quoting si++:
You really hate Turks, don't you? That can't be for no reason. What did Turks did to you?
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i dont think i hate turks, nor i do the language.
but i hate lies and false witnesses.
Quoting si++:
You jumped into this thread to attack us again like you always do. But this is wrong territory. Turkish is a great language and you can only bark at it. From a distance. |
sorry, but you couldnt prove anything. thats why you are so angry. if i sat next to you, you would probably slit my throat. thats why im happy that im far away from you so that i can safely criticise and speak my own mind.
i just have disproved all your myths you made up to promote the turkishness.
stop spreading hatred, start accepting the truth.
turkish is great thats all you can say.
but you have nothing to support your statement.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 06:35 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Please write in English, many people don't understand what you're talking about. |
Are they incable of using a dictionary? Presumably if they are here to learn Turkish then they will own a Turkish one. 
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 06:40 pm |
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Language fights vol.XXXXX
I saw that people were not happy with my comment.
And it looks like nobody got what I meant.
I am just trying to take your attention how it is a waste of time trying to show your language as the perfect one for humanity.
I read 2 books about languages, well... long time ago; (don't remember exact names, sorry)
1. was Türkçenin gücü (Power of Turkish)
2. was Power of English
In the English one, I think the author was American, he was boasting English over other languages and comparing English with other languages.
Having the richest vocabulary, having a perfect grammar for every situation, the present perfect tense etc.
I don't remember if the author of Türkçenin gücü was comparing Turkish with other languages, but she was also boasting Turkish.
And I believe there are similar books in almost every languages in the world.
There are about 3000 languages spoken in the world nowadays.
The number is not exact, there are dead languages and dying ones. And even with the languages, which have a handful of speakers, it has never been a problem for the speaker to express his/her thoughts to the other party of the same language.
There are language families, as we know, they are usually grouped according to their grammatical similarities. Turkish has relatives in this family, so it is a bit easier for those people to learn Turkish when it comes to speak with thinking. A member of the family can speak another language, if s/he knows enough words, slowly with thinking every word.
As I started to learn Korean, a family member language with Turkish, I could speak better and faster than my European schoolmates in my class. But it doesn't mean that I can speak that language perfectly in 1 day. But it is true that I learnt faster. But another European friend who stayed in Korea 1 year could speak better than me.
People speak without thinking, so no language is a problem for its speakers, thus there is no perfect single language for humanity, since everybody can speak his/her language as s/he wishes.
But when it comes to learn another language, especially the ones having a very different grammar structure than your first language, can give you a shock at the beginning.
But, after some time spent with learning/studying, you will know how to adapt your brain to that language, so you won't need to do mathematical calculations to speak it.
When you study a foreign language, the flexibility of your brain improves. So when it comes to a point, you will not need any math or pre-thinking to express your ideas.
Turkish is a logical language according to linguists but not the perfect one in the world. There are many logical languages, such as Finnish, Korean, Hungarian etc.
But being logical doesn't mean that it is easy to grasp that logic for everybody. You need to know all suffixes and words and how to combine them together to be able to speak it. And while studying those grammatical details you also start to speak without thinking, since it requires a great amount of time and study to master a language. So being logical is not a big advantage for foreigners to speak Turkish. Or being unlogical doesn't mean that language is not learnable.
For example; English for Turkish people.
(See i made up that "learnable" word with my simple English knowledge, and also sure that it is wrong because my software is underlining the word with red line) But I think you have understood what I meant.
For simple phrases that are used in daily life, you just memorize them, you don't need any logic.
There is no perfect language which doesn't have irregularities in its grammar. English has more, Turkish has less. I think French has the most. But the speakers of English and French are more than Turkish. So, nobody cares whatever the language they speak is logical or not.
Do we know how our brain stores the data ?
Do we know what is its logic ?
Do we know if the logic of a language is applicable to our brains ?
Can someone teach me Swahili in one week ? (Which also sounds like a logical language)
So, it is better not to boast a language over others and try to show a language is better than another one.
Keep studying hard whatever language you are trying to learn.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 07:10 pm |
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Quoting SunFlowerSeed: Language fights vol.XXXXX
I saw that people were not happy with my comment.
And it looks like nobody got what I meant.
I am just trying to take your attention how it is a waste of time trying to show your language as the perfect one for humanity.
I read 2 books about languages, well... long time ago; (don't remember exact names, sorry)
1. was Türkçenin gücü (Power of Turkish)
2. was Power of English
In the English one, I think the author was American, he was boasting English over other languages and comparing English with other languages.
Having the richest vocabulary, having a perfect grammar for every situation, the present perfect tense etc.
I don't remember if the author of Türkçenin gücü was comparing Turkish with other languages, but she was also boasting Turkish.
And I believe there are similar books in almost every languages in the world.
There are about 3000 languages spoken in the world nowadays.
The number is not exact, there are dead languages and dying ones. And even with the languages, which have a handful of speakers, it has never been a problem for the speaker to express his/her thoughts to the other party of the same language.
There are language families, as we know, they are usually grouped according to their grammatical similarities. Turkish has relatives in this family, so it is a bit easier for those people to learn Turkish when it comes to speak with thinking. A member of the family can speak another language, if s/he knows enough words, slowly with thinking every word.
As I started to learn Korean, a family member language with Turkish, I could speak better and faster than my European schoolmates in my class. But it doesn't mean that I can speak that language perfectly in 1 day. But it is true that I learnt faster. But another European friend who stayed in Korea 1 year could speak better than me.
People speak without thinking, so no language is a problem for its speakers, thus there is no perfect single language for humanity, since everybody can speak his/her language as s/he wishes.
But when it comes to learn another language, especially the ones having a very different grammar structure than your first language, can give you a shock at the beginning.
But, after some time spent with learning/studying, you will know how to adapt your brain to that language, so you won't need to do mathematical calculations to speak it.
When you study a foreign language, the flexibility of your brain improves. So when it comes to a point, you will not need any math or pre-thinking to express your ideas.
Turkish is a logical language according to linguists but not the perfect one in the world. There are many logical languages, such as Finnish, Korean, Hungarian etc.
But being logical doesn't mean that it is easy to grasp that logic for everybody. You need to know all suffixes and words and how to combine them together to be able to speak it. And while studying those grammatical details you also start to speak without thinking, since it requires a great amount of time and study to master a language. So being logical is not a big advantage for foreigners to speak Turkish. Or being unlogical doesn't mean that language is not learnable.
For example; English for Turkish people.
(See i made up that "learnable" word with my simple English knowledge, and also sure that it is wrong because my software is underlining the word with red line) But I think you have understood what I meant.
For simple phrases that are used in daily life, you just memorize them, you don't need any logic.
There is no perfect language which doesn't have irregularities in its grammar. English has more, Turkish has less. I think French has the most. But the speakers of English and French are more than Turkish. So, nobody cares whatever the language they speak is logical or not.
Do we know how our brain stores the data ?
Do we know what is its logic ?
Do we know if the logic of a language is applicable to our brains ?
Can someone teach me Swahili in one week ? (Which also sounds like a logical language)
So, it is better not to boast a language over others and try to show a language is better than another one.
Keep studying hard whatever language you are trying to learn. |
Nobody wants to fight SunFlowerSeed , dont see it like this in spite of the fact that THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE who love to transform EVERY SINGLE THREAD into one "fight" .
If you consider that your words were misunderstood , you have all the right to clarify things.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 07:13 pm |
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Yup, the title was harsh.
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