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I advise you to teach Turkish Language very well.
Because?
According to scientists:
-Turkish Language is a language of mathematics, algebra, geometry, physics, chemistry, politics and culture language (5000 years from Asia to Europe, Africa and America)…
-It contains mathematical and geometric and algebraical ideas…
-Turkish language is mathematical and algebraical language…
-Mathematics. algebra, geometry, physics and chemistry make people wide thoughtful and intelligent…

what are you trying to say???? you puzzled me

This is a scientific opinion...This is not my opinion...

Yes, I agree with you.
All languages are richness of the Planet World...

TURKISH IS A MATHEMATICAL LANGUAGE does not mean that all sciences, including mathematics, have evolved from Turkish,

What it means is that RULES MAKING UP BASIC STRUCTURE OF TURKISH LANGUAGE ARE COMPERABLE TO RULES OF MATHEMATICS: THEY ARE JUST AS CLEAR AND PRECISE.

Well now this explains why I have so much trouble with Turkish....I don't do math!!!!!

http://www.language-learning-advisor.com/easiest-language-to-learn-survey.html
the easiest language to learn survey
I have some doubts about outcome,just wonder what your impressions will be Tc members?

well,read in some survey conducted on kids that Turkish kids compared to the rest of their peers learn or apprehend their mother tongue faster due to its simplicity.It is not flattering but amazing fact about the language,at least grammar rules are clear.Trying to find a link to this article...

Turkish Children Learn Their Mother Tongue Earliest
A research conducted worldwide has established that Turkish children are the fastest at learning their native language.

The results were released at the International Association for the Study of Child Language's 10th congress in Berlin, Germany, where it was indicated that Turkish children could speak their native language by the age of 2-3 years in a grammatically correct manner.

Linguistics Professor Klann Delius noted that the Turkish language was easy to learn. "Suffixes in Turkish that determine person and tense are regular. Using them is like arranging Lego pieces."

According to the research, it takes 12 years for Arab speaking children, and 4-5 years for German children to acquire the grammatical mastery in their mother tongue. The congress held in Berlin is attended by about 800 linguists from around the world.
from
http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/

more on language aquisition

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/langdev.html

TURKISH LANGUAGE-MATHEMATICS

Turkish language follows mathematical principles. This link explains it all. Those who can not understand it, can go back to subject of DUDUs.

http://members.aol.com/SciRealm/Turkish.html

Is it me? Can anyone explain the connection between geometry and the Turkish language?
Chemistry!?

which means she is clueless....already seems to be deep in the issue of dudus

which means she is clueless....already seems to be deep in the issue of dudus

you may think you are smart...
The question is, can you qualify as a duduette ?....

I think I understand what you are saying. The way we understand the world, the way we think depends very much on the language we use. German is a good language for philosophy because it has a lot of philosophical concepts, as does Turkish. One cannot think about the world in a scientific way unless the language one uses has scientific concepts. Learning different languages helps one to think about the world in different ways.

What an interesting thread!
Yes, turkish is easy to learn WHEN YOU GRASP its unique "logic" and the way the sentences are built but at the beginning, it looks very "strange" for someone whose mother tongue is spanish , english etc.
I read it was similar to finnish in structure but I am not sure of this.
As someone told me once "Turkish is like putting Lego Pieces together" and I agree ...
I love this language because Turkish is the perfect language for analytic minds like mine hehe
Thank you for sharing all this information ALTHOUGH I dont think it is the easiest language to learn! No way! It has very fifficult things, the ones I find REALLY HARD to grasp are :

-Dik object participle
So many suffixes!!!!!
Distinguishing between passives / causatives / verbs of mutual action , example?
Distinguish between :

Çamurlamak / çamurlatmak / çamurlanmak / çamurlaşmak

But now that I understand how it works, they seem VERY LOGICAL! and I can really say :
I have a lot of FUN while learning! you can make fast progress really so good luck to all learners!

Dilara.
Bu arada! iki seneden sonra...hâlâ anlamaya çabaliyorum !!!! Keske herseyi turkçe yazabilseydim ama o kadar iyi degil henuz...sonra tercume etmeye çalisacagim belki! hehe çunku su an tercume etmek için zamanim yok

Turkish is a crap and junk language.
You can mix anything with anything.
And surprise surprise ! It sounds understandable

Put aside the joke;
Turkish is not the best language in this planet.
Its grammar is not unique. There are many similar languages grammatically.
That you can do:
1 + 2 + 3 = 6
2 + 1 + 3 = 6
3 + 2 + 1 = 6
....
in a sentence but you can never mix suffixes in a word.
So it is not a big deal.

That grammar may give Turkish some advantages, but no native-speaker in this world speaks his/her language thinking about those details.
An Englishmen/Frenchmen/Dutchmen etc never confuses when s/he is grown enough, say 6 years old. (Age is made-up. Nothing scientific)

So there is nothing to debate on for common people.
Leave those details to linguists who are paid to debate on such things.

Every language is perfect for its purpose.
Some may sound or look more complex to its learners, but I have never heard of a native-speaker who can't speak his/her own language.

And yes, Turks do mistakes while writing, speaking as well as all other native-speakers of their languages do mistakes, sometimes.

Human is just not perfect !

SunFlowerSeed, you are officially invited to join my gang! Welcome! (qualifying feature: critical thinking)

Why do all threads here have to be spoiled with out-of-topic remarks I wonder...!!!!!! even interesting ones like this!

i believe that each language nicer then each other when used for goodness,so its a nice tool for transfer good feelings without a rich vocabulary or a strong grammer

aynen ozel mesaji gonderdigin icin tesekkur ederim mr

sunflowerseed stated the fact.
the fact that we all know, but not many have a courage to speak.

1I + 2love = 3 you
european languages order
1+2=3
2+1=3

turkic languages
1+2=3
2+1=3
and also
3+1=2
1+3=2
3+2=1
2+3=1
very mathematical and very logic
turkic languages are jungles
it doesnt mean i dont respect the languages, it means im stating the facts.
and i know i hurt the patriotic feelings of turkic nations.
but sorry, this is the naked truth of our reality.

i just cant stand self praising people that have no basis to boast.

Please write in English, many people don't understand what you're talking about.

Dilara haklı = Dilara is right.
Bu Site Turkish Language Class değil mi = Is this Sıte Turkish Language Class?
Biz ingilizce öğrenmeye çalışıyoruz = We try to learn English.
Fakat bazı arkadaşlar Türkçe öğrenmek istemiyor = But some friends don't want to learn Turkish.

FF,
You'd better master Turkish language quickly. In 15 years, all the world will be speaking only in Turkish. You dont want to look stupid then, do you? ))))))))))))))))

Hey. I have translated an article which is related to this topic. Sorry for my english cos I know i made mistakes.




Turkish Language's Mathematical Structure

Victor Hugo wrote his poems by using 40.000 words . Although Yaşar Kemal is one of the best writer, he use max 3.500 words in his novels. Its a common wisdom and its true. Because Turkish have less words than French. It has less words than English, German and Spanish too. But by using those datas, we cant say that Turkish is an incapable language. Because Turkish can explain more things with less words. If it includes more word, it wont be problem but its needless.

When you open your dictionary and write similar words which have little difference, you will see the same Turkish word. And you can think that this is the deficiency of Turkish but this is not. Because the languages that we talked about above are based on learning stationary meanings of words, and Turkish is based on dynamic interpretation. You should understand the right meaning of the word.

In Turkish, definitions that are written in a dictionary doesnt designate the meaning of a word. This word’s location in a sentence designates it. At this juncture, we can put forward that Turkish has infinite words. And the words in Turkish dictionaries are just for to reference.

When you look an English-Turkish dictionary for the meanings of sick , ill and patient you will always get hasta as the meanings of those words. In this sense we can say that English has 3 times more word than Turkish. But we cant say that in Turkish we dont emphasize the differences of those words. When you say böbrek hastası olmak (being kidney ill), internet hastası olmak (having internet passion) or filanca şarkının hastası olmak (being crazy about a song), the one who speaks Turkish would understand the difference of those words at once. Its not that hard to understand this situation. Get a pen and write this;

3 + 5 =.

12 + 5 =.

38 + 5 =.


We wrote +5 to all and we obtained different results. Just like in all words above we use hastası olmak but we explained different things. Turkish can explain more things by using less words because it based on Math. In all 15 symbol {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,+,-, /,*, (,)} we can do limitless arithmetical operations. Turkish has similar characteristics too. We can say that Turkish based on Math but beyond that Turkish is disguising form of Math.

If you know how to make plural in Turkish, that means you know how to make plural of the words that will be created 5 years later or the words that were used 300 years ago. Its just the same way with that; when you learn how to solve an equation that has 2 unknown subject like that {2X + Y = 15 if Y = 1 X=? }, you can solve all of that kinds equations. X and Y’s value is not important.

However, for example in English the verbs past form depends on the verb. (Go > Went / Do > Did) And when you try to make plural it also depends on the word. ( Foot > Feet / Boot > Boots not Beet ) There is no consistent logic. If you want to use those words and verbs, you just have to memorize words plural forms and verbs past forms.

But in Turkish you dont need to memorize stationary words, instead of it, its enough to learn dynamical rules. In Turkish there are nearly no exceptions. The exceptions are just minor examples. (For example according to vowel harmony, elma (apple) should be alma .) In Turkish, rules are strong and definite.

After that point i will give mathematical formules to concretize the relation between Math and Turkish language. And its best way is using binary code system. So it will be enough to use 0 and 1. [ 0 = Nonexistent ] [ 1 = Existent ]

Radical Word. (Ev)

Plural Addition. (-ler)

Mathematical Expression.

Ev 1.0. (Home)

Ev ler 1.1. (Homes)

Ler 0.1. (Plural Addition)

We can assume that every Turkish word is 2 bit. All singular words are 1.0 (have radical word, no plural addition) and all plural words are 1.1(have radical word and plural addition). This rule never changes. And in addition to this you cant make plural of a nonexisting word in any language but Turkish. If you say a man sadece”ler” {sadece : only -ler: plural form} he will reply like that ; anladık ler de neler ? (I understand ler but what?) Here its obvious that you say somethings plural form but the object is not clear.

Radical Adjective ( Kırmızı )

To Emphasize ( Kıpkırmızı )

To Weaken ( Kırmızımsı )

Mathematical Expression.

Kırmızı 0.1.0. (Red)

Kıpkırmızı 1.1.0. (Crimson)

Kırmızımsı 0.1.1. (Reddish)

Kıpkırmızımsı 1.1.1. ( There is no adjective like that )

This rule which is used for to strengthen and weaken the meaning of adjectives never changes too. If you want you can even create weird adjectives which are not exist in any dictionary. “Güneş doğmazdan evvel ufuk kıpkırmızımsı (Kıp + kırmızı + msı [1.1.1]) bir renk aldı.” {Before sunrise, horizon became dark reddish (kıpkırmızımsı )} When you say that sentence to a Turk, he would understand what you want to say. Because this adjective goes well with that rule which is known by all people who speaks Turkish.

Conjugation rules are not different too. Here we will use 3 bits for people and 2 bits for tenses. Multiple bit groups will couch those;


011 = ben. (I)

010 = sen. (You)

000 = o. (He/She/It)

111 = biz. (We)

110 = siz. (You)

100 = onlar. (They)

-.

00 = geniş zaman. ( Present Tense)

11 = şimdiki zaman. ( Present Continuous Tense)

10 = gelecek zaman. ( Future Tense)

01 = geçmiş zaman. ( Past Tense)

--------

Oku (Y) abil di m. ( I could read)

1.1.0.01.0.0.011.

Oku (Y) a maz mış sın. ( You could not read)

1.1.1.00.0.1.010.

Gel me (Y) ecek ti. ( He would not come)

1.0.1.10.1.0.000.

Git me dik. ( We didnt go)

1.0.1.01.0.0.111.

Şaşır abil ecek ti niz. ( You would be surprised)

1.1.0.10.1.0.110.

Bil (İ ) Yor lar. (They know)

1.0.0.11.0.0.100.



Putting in order of units (subject , object, verb) that generate sentence is not random too. Turkish sentences follows a kind of crescendo. All emphesis is upon the verb that takes the last part of the sentence. Other units importance are depend on their closeness of verb. When you put the unit near the verb its importance in the sentence will be increase.

If you change units location in a sentence, this sentence’s meaning will change too. For example;

1 - dün Ahmet camı kırdı. { dün(0001) Ahmet (0011) camı (0111) kırdı (1111) }

2 - dün camı Ahmet kırdı. { dün(0001) camı (0011) Ahmet (0111) kırdı (1111) }

3 - Ahmet dün camı kırdı. { Ahmet (0001) dün (0011) camı (0111) kırdı (1111) }

4 - Ahmet camı dün kırdı. { Ahmet (0001) camı (0011) dün (0111) kırdı(1111) }

5 - camı dün Ahmet kırdı. { camı (0001) dün (0011) Ahmet (0111) kırdı (1111) }

6 - camı Ahmet dün kırdı. { camı (0001) Ahmet (0011) dün (0111) kırdı (1111) }


Now we will discuss on those sentences above. Here all units is same ( camı will be camı in all sentences as all other units, verb always be 3. singular person and it always be past tense) but sentences meaning is changed by changing those units location.

1.Sentence : dün Ahmet camı kırdı. >>> Yesterday Ahmet made a thing. This thing was breaking the window.

2. Sentence : dün camı Ahmet kırdı. >>> He was Ahmet who broke the window yesterday. Guilty person is Ahmet.

3. Sentence : Ahmet dün camı kırdı. >>> Ahmet’s yesterdays work was breaking the window. Maybe the day before yesterday he read book.

4. Sentence : Ahmet camı dün kırdı. >>> Ahmet broke the window and it was yesterday when he broke.

5. Sentence : camı dün Ahmet kırdı. >>> The window was safe till yesterday and the one who broke it is Ahmet.

6. Sentence : camı Ahmet dün kırdı. >>> Ahmet would break the window in any case and he did it yesterday.


In every sentences, 1111 is the most important one than 0111 , 0011, 0001 comes. {1111 is verb kırdı. } Here, determinative thing of the meaning are the values of that every unit. A person who knows Turkish will understand the difference of those sentences at once.

If you want to say those examples above by using the languages whichs words have stationary meaning, you can just make 2 variation with changing time adverb (dün), except that if you want to give other meanings too you should change the mood (passive mood) or you should add some explanatory words.

Femme Fatal are you here to insult Turkey and Turkish people? You are rude and disrespectful Bütün postaların saçma sapan susayım dedim ama dayanamayacağım artık. Posta sayına bakılırsa uzun zamandır buradasın dolayısyla Türkçe yazmakta bir sakınca görmüyorum. Gerçekten niyetin ne? Çok merak ettim!!!

double post.

Ayrıca kimi övüp kimi övmeyeceğime ben karar veririm.

Turkish is really mathematical language, most of you dont know what ARUZ means, it is an order used to design poems in old turkish, no poets in our time can not (an is not capable) use ARUZ. ARUZ's base depens on if a syllabel "open" or "close",
an open syllabel ends with a vowel
a close syllabel ends with a consonant

so each line's all syllabels are in the same order if it is open or close. and pattern may vary for theme, the age, the poet or general mood of public.

Guys! Stop wasting your breath here..

1. Half the people here do not speak or understand Turkish
(most of them can not really be proud of their English either).
2. The rest thinks Math is a small town in England.

See what I mean?

in addition: in most languages used today, 1500 words used in public.
Somebody here said Yaşar Kemal used 3500 word in his books comparing victor Hugo used 40000 words in poems.
Yaşar Kemal is a public writer and used a simple language, so you cant get him for a language usage comparison

if you compare victor Hugo to someone try these poets
Fuzuli (1480-1556)
Baki (1526-160
Nefi (1572-1635)
Naili (1610-1666)
Nedim (1681-173

Language fights vol.XXXXX

I saw that people were not happy with my comment.
And it looks like nobody got what I meant.

I am just trying to take your attention how it is a waste of time trying to show your language as the perfect one for humanity.

I read 2 books about languages, well... long time ago; (don't remember exact names, sorry)
1. was Türkçenin gücü (Power of Turkish)
2. was Power of English

In the English one, I think the author was American, he was boasting English over other languages and comparing English with other languages.
Having the richest vocabulary, having a perfect grammar for every situation, the present perfect tense etc.

I don't remember if the author of Türkçenin gücü was comparing Turkish with other languages, but she was also boasting Turkish.

And I believe there are similar books in almost every languages in the world.

There are about 3000 languages spoken in the world nowadays.
The number is not exact, there are dead languages and dying ones. And even with the languages, which have a handful of speakers, it has never been a problem for the speaker to express his/her thoughts to the other party of the same language.

There are language families, as we know, they are usually grouped according to their grammatical similarities. Turkish has relatives in this family, so it is a bit easier for those people to learn Turkish when it comes to speak with thinking. A member of the family can speak another language, if s/he knows enough words, slowly with thinking every word.
As I started to learn Korean, a family member language with Turkish, I could speak better and faster than my European schoolmates in my class. But it doesn't mean that I can speak that language perfectly in 1 day. But it is true that I learnt faster. But another European friend who stayed in Korea 1 year could speak better than me.

People speak without thinking, so no language is a problem for its speakers, thus there is no perfect single language for humanity, since everybody can speak his/her language as s/he wishes.
But when it comes to learn another language, especially the ones having a very different grammar structure than your first language, can give you a shock at the beginning.
But, after some time spent with learning/studying, you will know how to adapt your brain to that language, so you won't need to do mathematical calculations to speak it.

When you study a foreign language, the flexibility of your brain improves. So when it comes to a point, you will not need any math or pre-thinking to express your ideas.

Turkish is a logical language according to linguists but not the perfect one in the world. There are many logical languages, such as Finnish, Korean, Hungarian etc.
But being logical doesn't mean that it is easy to grasp that logic for everybody. You need to know all suffixes and words and how to combine them together to be able to speak it. And while studying those grammatical details you also start to speak without thinking, since it requires a great amount of time and study to master a language. So being logical is not a big advantage for foreigners to speak Turkish. Or being unlogical doesn't mean that language is not learnable.
For example; English for Turkish people.
(See i made up that "learnable" word with my simple English knowledge, and also sure that it is wrong because my software is underlining the word with red line) But I think you have understood what I meant.

For simple phrases that are used in daily life, you just memorize them, you don't need any logic.

There is no perfect language which doesn't have irregularities in its grammar. English has more, Turkish has less. I think French has the most. But the speakers of English and French are more than Turkish. So, nobody cares whatever the language they speak is logical or not.

Do we know how our brain stores the data ?
Do we know what is its logic ?
Do we know if the logic of a language is applicable to our brains ?
Can someone teach me Swahili in one week ? (Which also sounds like a logical language)

So, it is better not to boast a language over others and try to show a language is better than another one.

Keep studying hard whatever language you are trying to learn.

Yup, the title was harsh.