Ok boys and gals, please modify your posts so it wont contain any swearing words, insults or any like

We all well aware of the rules of the site.

And femmeous will you add link to the post, and if you can, repost it with a another font size ´you can use Word´, its too tiny to read.

 Ã go with the privacy thing too.

 Seems it is essential to you to argue with me about anything even with no base to start with !

When i say sun rise from the East you argue that too as long as i am the one who said it.

Well, fine argue...but alone !

You never been to my country, you never lived there, you absolutely have no idea about what you are talking about but of course as usual that never stop you!

Ý stated the problem as it is in my community, i didnt cover it up as you said, no one asked me if we have it or not, and also i offered the solution as i see it .

Ý havent seen that you have said anything positive or productive, as usual your post contains criticism to others you did not come up with any opinion or idea that anyone can read and say...ohh yes that i/we can do !

Btw, my government isnt an islamic government ´and if it was that is not something that i would feel bad about ´ ,and i sure can get the law fragments about the killing

Honor killing ÝS a killing which is the defined by law as The act of terminating a life´murder´ and treated like one ´surprised?´

So sure i can get that material...but i wont...doesnt worth the time !

 Ã completely agree with you Trudy.

But its not that easy, government cant do it alone

Here we still have this problem mainly in villages and the areas where the percentage of education is low.

Honor killing is prohibited its a killing and treated same as killing by the low

But in those places or mentality you would find that the whole family agree on such action, support it and try to keep it away from the eyes of law

When they caught, they go to jail or sentence to death according to their role in the murder.

And its not even different from religion to another...both Muslims and Christians from that criteria do it.

So i believe the solution would be to try to change those people mentality

And this would be by education...make the primary education is a must for boys and girls and who doesnt allow his children to school should be arrested.

And in holy places ´mosques, Churches..etc let the Ýmam, priests in Cuma and sunday pray make stress on the sinful of the honor killing so even people who are not educated and above the age can start questions their Traditions.

Ý came through those, i dont know how true are they, searching Keanu Reaves it seems its true

So see how sick some people can be, even celebrities?!

 But that is exactly what i am saying

That Türkiye is not seen at the same axis as  Iran and Syria.

He didnt want it that way.

And people of the area also do NOT want it that way !

They believe both camps didnt do what they want...and they are looking for something else, new leader

You dont take the the situations in the county of the area into considerations

Yes i agree, most of them if not all are just tools at the West hands

But their people are not !

Change was going on for a long time, slow one but its there

So its not just changing with one incident

Ýt was an incident in a suitable time.

Dont underestimate the Arab public, they are a power of their own, not very much effective for now...but its getting there.

And he wanted to use that...and Arab public are open to him now.

Of course countries foreign policies but they can redirected within the countries interests

And also of cource his tone will be soften...as i told you he wants all ropes in his hands and that rope too he is keen to have

What he did...is granting himself a role in the area and not just the audience role.

And by a heaver weight nations got measure!

 Actually no, i dont think so

And i dont agree that would be the case

Ý believe he tries to play another rule in the area, and that is what its all about

He doesnt seek to be part of any camp, he wants to make his own camp, actually not a camp...

He wants to play the big brother thing.

He wants to have all the ropes in his hands .

He wants to have a good relation with everyone, and also win the platform of the Arab public.

And he also wants to make sure that the dont mistake him ´Türkiye´ with any of the others capms around

Thats why he made/is making things none of the already existing camps did.

Ýf we calculate his benefits.

1. His own people...needless to say everone of them felt that he spoke by his/her tongue.

2. Arabs and people of the area ´not governments´ they are empressed, proud...and you can add as many as you wish to describe it

Some calling him the Osmanlý aslan !

Ottoman lion !

3.Ýn the EU and USA level, they will actually get the message, that being allay doesnt mean TOTALY obay you !

4.For israel, the relation will get affected but not in a way to take a clear or a direct action, because israel needs Türkiye too

BUT....they are waiting for the right moment and wish Erdoðan has more than he already show that will keep the equation in his favore

5.Being a country that the ME listen to it will put Türkiye in another place more stronger than she already is .

6.Economical effect...he got himself a good and big market ´Arabs´

Some already said they will buy the Turkish products

As boycott effecting some countries, supporting will effect others

7. His big challenge are the government of the ME...if he can manage them as well as the people, he could move as he planed

Türkiye and Egypt almost have same points of view but with some difference in methods sometimes, and Egypt is the biggest country that have a direct effect at both side in that conflict, so he seems take a good shot in that direction too.

Done .

 That is exactly what you should continue via pm´s handsom

Ýf you disagree with mods or admins you should pm them and take it there not on forum.

11. If you don´t agree with a moderator send a Private Message to the moderator or to one of the administrators instead of posting in the forum

And i wont get into another debat with you like if the word paranoid is/was insult or not !

 Actually Yani is also Egyptian word ´Egyptian Arabic one´ and same as ya too and the way we use them are same.

But here im having a question

Ý remember in a previous discussion ,some of the teachers here said that we cant form a question without the question tool

For example

Ýn English i can say,

You are  coming with me, yes ?

And it will be very much understandable

But in Turkish we cant say

Benimle geliyorsun, evet ´ya´?

Here

http://www.tdk.gov.tr/TR/SozBul.aspx?F6E10F8892433CFFAAF6AA849816B2EF4376734BED947CDE&Kelime=ya

Ýt says

Sen geldin, ya Ahmet?

So that means we can form it that way or its just informal way of speak ?