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Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1071.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:25 am

I agree that Erdogan has been OK as PM. But the hundreds of thousands of demonstrators proves that the people do not want to see him or Gul as President. And it also proves how much the people trust Buyukanıt.



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1072.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:10 am

None of this matters now. With early elections in June, Erdogan and Gul are finished. And they only have themselves to blame.



Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1073.       KeithL
1455 posts
 02 May 2007 Wed 12:01 am

I had my first taste of tear gas today, thank you to the lefties. I had an appointmnet in Sultan Ahmet area this afternoon. But with no buses, tram or metro running. Had to walk from Mecidiyekoy to get there.... Needed the exercise i guess. But I stopped at my friends hotel in Taksim for a little while and had a front row view of some of the excitement.
Also, only one lane on both bridges were open as they were searching every car. Traffic line in first bridge was to Fenerbahce almost. Why do communists always create lines?



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1074.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 11:10 pm

KeithL.....
My words are very clear,and no need to prediction.

İ said in any case Army should NOT threat a governmet.

(By turkish constitution, this is armys duty.)

İ said army SHOULD be ruled by governmet.

(Turkey is different than other countries. It is armys responsibility to protect the constitution and the people from the government)

The point was,a government has been elected by people should only rule both people and army.

(37% of people voted for erdogan for PM, not President. An islamist cannot become President. Its that simple)



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1075.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 11:05 pm

Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is. But it is true that the very pro-islamists hate Ataturk. When you go to other Islamic countries and discuss Turkish politics, they speak of Ataturk as their worst enemy.



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1076.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 10:30 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting KeithL:

I dont know where you get your information from. People bussed in from all regions of turkey for both events, not only Istanbul and Ankara. And I'm sure you are aware that Istanbul and Ankara are the two largest cities. Between them, they represent about 25% of the country's population.
And soon, there will be a rally in Germany by Turks who live there, also against AK Party.
Look who is against the AK party gaining the presidency. It is the well educated Turks. University staff, business leaders, senior military staff. Do you think these people are stupid?
Not living in Turkey, where do you form your opinion on this subject?



İ get my information from Turkish people not only live in İstanbul and Ankara .

And i dont really understand what you aim for .

Do you say only well educated people, University staff, business leaders, senior military staff have rights for election and choose who is their leaders,and other people NOT ?!!

İ dont think all those people are stupid,i think everyone entitled to his opinion whether he is well educated or NOT!

Beside everyone of those got his own agenda which indicate his opinion.

And rally in Germany by Turks who are living there away from their home land not feeling the achievement that their current government which been elected by poeple of Türkiye did,what would that say ?!!!

And i wonder those Turk who live in Germany where do they form their opinion about this subject from ?!!!

You are living in İstanbul,then where do you form your opinion about what other people who live outside think ?!

İ guess those are not logic questions,right ?!




I only ask because your words sound like the words that are spoken by people thathate Ataturk. There are those that wish Turkey was still ruled by Islamic Law. So these people, and the secular followers of Ataturk will never agree on this issue. Additionally, the people that hate Ataturk are more influenced by Arab Agenda, not Turkish Agenda. This is what the post refering to Arab followers was referring. Not rascism.



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1077.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 10:26 pm

Armegon,
Your post should have explained to anyone that did not understand why AK Party (or any other fundamental islamic polticians) cannot become President.
And for those that keep pointing out Erdogan was elected PM, remember, he had less than 40% of the vote. So a majority of Turks did not vote for him.
I will agree that he has been OK as PM, but as President, never.



Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1078.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 11:21 am

Quoting ani_istanbul:

okay its May Day but what has changed this year?
It was more quiet last years..



The police are using tear gas anad have arrested maybe 100 people so far.



Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1079.       KeithL
1455 posts
 01 May 2007 Tue 11:06 am

I left early for work today, knowing traffic might be worse, (It's May day). The lefties did not dissapoint and there getting their heads beat by the police today, (God bless them).
Whoever said that yesterdays demonstation was by leftist politics was defnitely confused.
Today is their day...
Trudy, you asked what it was like during previous military takeovers. During the'70s, the left and right, beat each other in the streets, literally.
The militray stepped in and restored order, and a new government.



Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1080.       KeithL
1455 posts
 30 Apr 2007 Mon 09:57 pm

Quoting qdemir:

Quoting KeithL:

Thats not what I hear from those I know with children in school. And others feel the same way. This is the same man that banned alcohol in istanbul 10 years ago. He or Gul, or any other AK Party leader cannot be trusted as President.

And if they are so good for economy, then why has TUSIAD also spoken out against them?



Who, when, where, why, how!? I didn't know that.



Erdogan was mayor of Istanbul in the 1990's. And when he was mayor, he tried to ban the sale of alcohol in Istanbul. He did this by introducing a law saying it was forbidden to sell alcohol within "100 or 200" meters of camii's. Well, there are camii's everywhere. So this law would have shut down every pub in Istanbul.



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