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Thread: no drama, just an email address

1.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2008 Thu 02:44 am Thanks!!! nk.linzl@hotmail.com

Thread: look who the real closed minded people are at TLC...

2.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2008 Thu 12:01 am

Thread: AKP will be closed or not?

3.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 06:36 pm

Thread: pogaca

4.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 06:08 pm Pogaca Recipe I have made this recipe. It is difficult to duplicate what you get in the pastaneliri though

Thread: Need a good cook book ...

5.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 06:03 pm elmali recipe I have never tried this but it just looks like rolled up apple pie. Good luck...

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

6.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:53 pm So anyone who believes in God is simple-minded?

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

7.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:38 pm I think thehansome may also need to spend some time at "The Biology Class" Website. Yes, whether you believe in God or not,(another choice that you are ridiculing by the way), men and women do have different bilogical and chemical makeups.

Thread: how i can delete my profile?

8.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 12:10 pm Pansi has a point here. But TC is working hard behind the scenes to offer more resources for serious turkish students. I think this will be great.

Thread: Interent Porn ?????

9.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 11:52 am Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting KeithL: I have found my fair share of woman And you said I was the ONLY one! I said I found them. I didn´t keep them....

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

10.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 11:44 am Quoting mltm: I´m not on any side. Rather I want to show you the dilemma. The main drawback for woman in the modern world is giving birth to a child, being mother. The woman´s body has been designed to be a mother, to care for the children, not just uterus, but with all the motherhood hormones. So, I find the claim that a father can equally raise up a child a bit weak. The mother-to-be cannot do the same job when she gets pregnant. Forexample, me, I won´t be able to work in the chemistry lab if I get pregnant. So, maybe I have to change all my career plans, I won´t be considered for some projects, I´ll be discriminated. Or, you cannot do the same heavy job, you cannot lift stuff etc that man can do either. And after you give birth, you need to rest. And you have to breastfeed your child, there are some who even advice to breastfeed till 3 years old. Can a man breastfeed? Could you claim that a father can equally raise up a child till the age of 3-4 the way a mother raises up? It´s not about knowing how to cook and feed. The baby have developped in the mother´s womb, and he has special attachment to his mother. So, in my opinion, it was not for nothing, if for thousands of years woman stayed at home and cared for the children. Now, the time has changed, and woman can work as well, and has to earn her own money, but before we attack the traditional opinions, we have to ask why it has been so, and what will be the consequences if we totally refuse the traditional family structure. +1000

Thread: look who the real closed minded people are at TLC...

11.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 11:41 am Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting KeithL: If freedom of choice is sexist than, yes, I am sexist. Sorry Keith, but on the one hand you say we should have choice and on the other you say you support traditional family "values". Frankly, listening to a man who says that he supports the traditional family, with mother at home, cooking and looking after the children, is stomach churning. Yes, I support the nuclear family. Ultimtaely, that is what is going to work for me. This is my CHOICE. But never did I say this is how everyone should live. As I have said for the millionth time, I support any womans´s right to live and raise her family in the way she sees fit. If you don´t want to be a stay at home mom (or a mom at all), thats your business. But there is no need to ridicule women who also prefer this lifestyle.

Thread: look who the real closed minded people are at TLC...

12.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 11:31 am Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting KeithL: And I have been criticised for my views as close-minded and hypocritical. All of you who think you are free thinkers are only tolerent of people who think like you. How exactly is that liberal??? Maybe you don´t see that some of your comments are a little sexist? EVERYONE thinks they are free thinkers - have you ever met someone who says "I am very close minded" Unfortunately we are unable to see ourselves as others do. If freedom of choice is sexist than, yes, I am sexist.

Thread: look who the real closed minded people are at TLC...

13.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 06:12 am

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

14.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 05:56 am Quoting thehandsom: Look, there is a simple logic here: If a woman does not work she wont be as independant as a man. if a man desire a type of woman who will be a house wife only, he is not strong enough handle the other type of woman and not prepared for the equality. This is exactly the type of nonsensical judgementalism I´m talking about. If the greatest role a woman wants to play in her life is a mother and wife, don´t look down on her... What is more important in life than taking this gift from God and raising it to be an honest, worthy citizen of the world???

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

15.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2008 Wed 05:53 am Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: You and Alameda are glamourising "middle class values" which never existed in the lower and upper classes and were a hypocracy. Your middle class values bred back street abortionists, complete ostricising of family members and putting "what people think" before your own family. By any definition, I grew up lower class economically. Right and wrong is not defined by dollar signs. I will always think exactly the way I thought when I was the oldest child of an immigrant family no matter how much money I have. If values don´t exist than my whole life is a hypocracy...

Thread: Interent Porn ?????

16.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:52 pm I´m not going to argue for "or against" the merits of porn. But I think gereralizing about women´s attitudes on porn is similar to saying women don´t want sex as much as men. I have found my fair share of woman who have been far more "open-minded" in sex that I might be. I do believe there are women out there who do enjoy having their sex video-taped for the excitement (isn´t this porn?). But I do agree with you Catwoman that far too many wpmen in porn are probably in a horrible lifestyles, (drugs, prostitution, etc.)

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

17.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:39 pm Quoting mylo: Hey I have Little House on the prairie, the ´uncut version´ can send if you like? Yes, now you know the real reason Mary went blind!!!

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

18.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:12 pm Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Quoting KeithL: read my posts. I have always said women have the right for self determination of their lives. But really, I think your put down of Alemeda using the walton´s example shows some contempt for women that choose to stay home and raise their children. I can only speak for myself, but I think most men who can financially afford it would want to marry a woman with "Walton´s ethics". Alemeda shared a story of her upbringing. Did it need to be belittled??? Please dont keep your "Walton´s Ethics" - a sugary unreal account of family life geared EXACTLY to provoke nostalgia for a time which NEVER EXISTED. Perhaps "Little House on the Prairie" suits you too? The actor who played the father took it as seriously as you and tried to live his life in a similar way - becoming a dictatorial, wife beating, moralistic bully. I disagree. There are plenty of men out there who support their families, spend significant time with their children and are faithful to their wives...Its not a hard formula...

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

19.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:11 pm Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: What is your opinion on all the wealthy in this world Keith? They present a wonderful picture of the "nuclear family" you worship and yet farm their children out to nannies and often boarding schools. Is this acceptable only because they do not use government money? My personal choice would be no. I want to raise my children with my wife without the help of a nanny or boarding school. If I can be judgemental for a moment, I think that is lazy and selfish parenting...

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

20.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:07 pm read my posts. I have always said women have the right for self determination of their lives. But really, I think your put down of Alemeda using the walton´s example shows some contempt for women that choose to stay home and raise their children. I can only speak for myself, but I think most men who can financially afford it would want to marry a woman with "Walton´s ethics". Alemeda shared a story of her upbringing. Did it need to be belittled???

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

21.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 11:00 pm I think attacking women who stay home with their kids and sacrafice their careers is just as wrong as the exploitation of women in the worforce or in the sex trades. Using the Waltons as an example I just dont understand. By western standards, they were the ultimate nuclear family. I actually would be proud to be compared to a family structure such as the Waltons.

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

22.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:50 pm ...but it is never the Walton girls who have babies without father´s and depend on government handouts only to then raise children without morals, self asteem or work ethic. We could a few more Mary Ellen´s.... She was hot in her own way too!!!

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

23.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 09:19 pm http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/07/28/midmorning2/ I podcast several shows from MPR every week. This in an interesting broadcast from yesterday about women in the work place during the current economic downturn.

Thread: Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home

24.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 09:00 pm I have to admit that I am more of a traditionalist here. Children are better off when they have a parent at home. Since women give birth, it is only natural that it is the mother who stays home. I attribute many problems of western society to "daycare kids". I also understand that some families have no choice and need the money. That said, I completey respect that all women deserve the choice of whether to stay home or work. I just saw recently that women in the US still only make $0.77 for every $1.00 a man makes for the same job. So it is not just Turkey that women suffer professional inequity...

Thread: Plot fears

25.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 05:47 pm

Thread: Plot fears

26.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jul 2008 Tue 05:43 pm Lets not get sooooo picky. I could spend my day merging dozens of duplicate threads....

Thread: Turkish Daily News: Obama can help Armenia and Turkey to resolve Genocide problem

27.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Jul 2008 Mon 10:58 pm This is nonsense. Obama has already publically supported his support for Yerevan. I don´t expect his historical knowlege of the situation to be high so I can´t imiagine this will be a high priority in his administration. This is a problem than can only be solved by Ankara and Yerevan.

Thread: Two Blasts In Istanbul

28.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Jul 2008 Mon 10:55 pm I don´t know why this area,but possible because it would not be considered as high of risk to foreign targets. Areas like Taksim, Beyoglu, Levent, Ortakoy, etc, are under hightened security this summer. This area of Old Istanbul near Bakırköy would not be considered a security target. My other explanation is that the people that performed the attack may very well live in that area so they knew what risk they were taking. Their chances of getting caught in this area were perhaps statistically lower. How horrible though. Thats all I can say...

Thread: deneme sinavi

29.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Jul 2008 Fri 07:24 am How did I miss this?? This is excellent!!

Thread: Turkish Toast

30.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Jul 2008 Fri 01:07 am I just want to point out that handsom is not represenative of all mens cooking abilities.... who reads the cookbook to you????

Thread: MSN Messenger Server problems

31.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2008 Wed 01:29 am I have been having difficulty logging into MSN Messenger for days now in istanbul. Anyone else experiencing this problem?? Thanks

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

32.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2008 Fri 12:29 am Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: What basic right are they not getting now??? I am copying ciko's post here: well i was in sirnak cizre as a soldier and i also have been in the east as a citizen and believe me what the state created there was not very innocent. to ban speaking your own language, to ban listening to music in your own language, to ban having name in your own language, and to do nothing else except bans as a state would cause REBEL anywhere in the world, please do not speak like Turkish State was always good to people there, even the most fascist generals admitted it. and another one Last month a child could not get into Turkey only because he has a kurdish name.. there are thousands of samples like that.. isn't that in the past??? all of these forms of opression are lifted now. And I agree, they were wrong. There are rascists in every country. Turkey is not immune from this ugly trait...

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

33.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2008 Fri 12:15 am What basic right are they not getting now???

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

34.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2008 Fri 12:10 am Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Forget the rest. Just explain this part to me . Not in terms of 1928, 1958 or 1978, but in 2008. What piece of this puzzle am I missing? This is very simple actually.. We made mistakes in 1928, 1958 or 1978.. And we are still making the same mistakes.. (I tried to explain it in sark islahat plani thread!!) That is the simple missing piece.. This is so not true! Any kurd from eastern turkey can find his way to istanbul to seek a job. And Catwoman, comparing kurds to Blacks in US is not realistic. Kurds were never slaves. They have never been a population minority the way blacks were and still are. Kurds did have and still have self determination to own property and run for public office. Turkey's response to Kurds has been in retaliation of their constant pressure to become a breakaway republic. Is there also a document named "the kurdish genocide"? I'm not familiar with it.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

35.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2008 Fri 12:05 am Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: This I agree with you completely. if you agree what I said then you were wrong about your post: That is nonsense. At least describe them as to what they believe they are. The protectors of Kemalism. I was trying to explain why they can NOT be called kemalists or protectors of kemalism. Its not MY claim they are protecting Kemalism. I said it is their claim. I do not procalaim that I know the ins and outs of Ergenekon. And I would prefer a country where people did not see them as necessary. I don't get the same feel from your posts. Your posts give me the feel that you think PKK is a necessary evil. This is our one and only difference. Nothing else.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

36.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:55 pm Quoting KeithL: Kurds suffer poverty just like Turks who live in the east. Just like Turks who live in all areas of istanbul. This doesn't give them the right to kill innocents and demand their own country. They are free to travel, vote, work, go to school just like everyone else. What disadvantage does a poor Kurd suffer that a poor turk does not also suffer? And what privelege doe a wealthy Turk enjoy that a wealthy Kurd does also not enjoy???? These are the lies and propaganda of the PKK. Forget the rest. Just explain this part to me . Not in terms of 1928, 1958 or 1978, but in 2008. What piece of this puzzle am I missing?

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

37.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:52 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Forget your 400 years. That is nonsense. At least describe them as to what they believe they are. The protectors of Kemalism. haha kemalism? phew!! Everybody has different version of kemalism in Turkey. But if you ask me what it is I can, summarize it: -nationalism -westernism -pragmatism None of those gang memeber can say that they have been doing it because they are protecting kemalism. Forget that last two item which we know that they are against. Even they are not nationalist!! They believe that murdering Hrant Dink, Santoro (a priest in Trabzon) etc were heroic acts of nationalism. Is it the same as Ataturk nationalism? Well I DO NOT think so!! This I agree with you completely.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

38.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:44 pm I have never said you were Kurdish and it doesn't make a difference if you were. You have been completely reluctant in the past to say where you are from, so this part of what you say is not so true at all. When i speak of living in fear, I don't speak for myself. But what about the mother's who have small children? You don't think they fear what the PKK has been doing? And your number of 30,000. I did not realize that every death since PKK's inception was a kurd. I had always thought some turks may have died during this time too. And also, I am not in burgouis levent but in very quiet, fundamental Fulya. And my work takes me to central and eastern turkey by the way...so i am not shielded from the "whole Turkey" But more importantly, you skipped over my questions on why the opression of poverty is any different for a Kurd than it is a Turk.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

39.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:23 pm Forget your 400 years. That is nonsense. At least describe them as to what they believe they are. The protectors of Kemalism.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

40.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:10 pm It is easy for you to have this view. You escaped your village, got an education and have a nice life in a western country. I am very happy for you. Sincerely... But those of us who chose to come here (and make things better), much less those who choose to stay, what for us? Do we need to live with the constant threat? Why? This isnt Plaestine. This isnt South Afrika. Kurds suffer poverty just like Turks who live in the east. Just like Turks who live in all areas of istanbul. This doesn't give them the right to kill innocents and demand their own country. They are free to travel, vote, work, go to school just like everyone else. What disadvantage does a poor Kurd suffer that a poor turk does not also suffer? And what privelege doe a wealthy Turk enjoy that a wealthy Kurd does also not enjoy???? These are the lies and propaganda of the PKK.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

41.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:01 pm Quoting thehandsom: And boasting idioticly, 'aha!! we went and killed 10 of them, 20 of them, we will kill 500 of them' and not thinking that 'they are this country's boys as well' is not only primitive and blood thirsty but they are undermining the ultimate goal which is 'we Turks and Kurds can live together'. As someone who gladly contributes to this Country's economy and pays my fair share of taxes, let me say that these are not "this country's boys"...

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

42.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 10:42 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: I keep posting about this subject, but in my opinion, Turkey has NEVER come to this close to confront these fascists in her entire history. It is a historical moment for Turkey. That is very good. Terrorists of all walks of life need to be shut down. Without those who wish to return to Sharia Law (AKP) and the PKK (with its supporters and symapthizers lurking), there would be no need for Ergenekon...

Thread: Catwoman, you should not be an admin here.

43.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 08:02 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting catwoman: Quoting SuiGeneris: She cant aswell Because she is the owner Its her town we are living lol Someone is getting it... offf.... finally! It is my town... and I wish Sui wanted to be a city senator... but he thinks it's not worth it Its not that it is not worth... You wouldnt want a fascist senator like me Contrair...this city needs more fascists!!!!

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

44.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 07:25 pm I would gladly have members of Ergenekon as my neighbors than any filth of the PKK.

Thread: Ergenekon (again) Tip of the iceberg of crime

45.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2008 Thu 11:56 am Turkey Kills 11 Kurdish Rebels Yes....Ergenekon...A convenient distraction from PKK and AK Parti...

Thread: FEARS GROW OVER 'MEGA MOSQUE

46.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2008 Wed 09:45 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting alameda: It seems as though large facilities and large congragations are the thing now. Also called "big box churches" Alameda, I can't believe how one sided you are. Catwoman, I don't understand your message here. Can you expand on that? I know in Minneapolis also, the Big Box Church phenomena is growing.

Thread: what caught my eye today

47.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2008 Wed 06:17 am Quoting Roswitha: How To Avoid Dioxin We now know that dioxin exhibits serious health effects when it reaches as little as a few parts per trillion in your body fat. Dioxin is a powerful hormone disrupting chemical. By binding to a cell's hormone receptor, it literally modifies the functioning and genetic mechanism of the cell, causing a wide range of effects, from cancer to reduced immunity to nervous system disorders to miscarriages and birth deformity. Because it literally changes the functioning of your cells, the effects can be very obvious or very subtle. Because it changes gene functions, it can cause so-called genetic diseases to appear, and can interfere with child development. There is no "threshold" dose - the tiniest amount can cause damage, and our bodies have no defense against it. http://www.cqs.com/edioxin.htm polychlorinated dibenzo dioxins and polychlorinated dibenzo furans (PCDD/PCDF) may be the most toxic substances known to man. The biggest threat exposure to PCDD and PCDF's is from the incineration of plastics. Those who live closest to municipal waste and biological waste incinerators are most at risk. Also, open garbage burning and plastics on campfires is another way PCDD/PCDF's are created. Best way to avoid exposure is to avoid open burning.

Thread: Long awaited Ergenekon case

48.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jul 2008 Tue 05:27 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: I take no offence to Catwoman coming to handsome's rescue... Thank you! I remember coming to your rescue as well at some point! Please, I need all the help I can get!!!

Thread: Long awaited Ergenekon case

49.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jul 2008 Tue 05:23 am I take no offence to Catwoman coming to handsome's rescue... And I only speak for myself, no one elses. I support hansome's right here to post sympathetic posts to PKK and anti nationalist Turk posts. 100%

Thread: Long awaited Ergenekon case

50.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jul 2008 Tue 03:55 am Handsom...as always, thank you for educating us on PKK and Ergenekon. Your perspective always leaves us with something to think...

Thread: Iraqi child is sexually abused by the British soldiers

51.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jul 2008 Mon 03:04 pm Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting CANLI: And this is what they knew about,i wonder how many cases up there consider boys,women and even men,they dont know them or they dont allow them to be known maybe tens of thousands... These are only the tip of the iceberg. We will never know how many Iraqis were killed tortured and raped as long as America and Europe are superpowers. The civilian death count in Iraq is approaching 100,000.

Thread: About_YouTube

52.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jul 2008 Thu 06:05 pm I use www.mypc.com to use a US internet access ID. Not only does it allow me access to Youtube, but also radio and TV broadcasts (mostly sports)that are denied access outside of US and Canada.

Thread: Locked pkk thread and some thoughts

53.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jul 2008 Thu 04:56 pm My last words on the matter. I deleted my own post within 5 minutes of the original posting. You (thehandsom) are giving it life and legs now to continue. Your choice...

Thread: Locked pkk thread and some thoughts

54.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jul 2008 Thu 06:16 am Maybe you misunderstood me. I did not say you were PKK lapdog. Yes. this would be very bad for me to say. I said you were Catwoman's lapdog. Maybe not such a bad job... Anyway...even I was shocked at how quickly my comment was responded to. 1. I agreed with Sui. I was surprised by Catwomans comment. 2. I went out last night and had several Efes in my favorite nisantasi pub. So when I got home, I was having a little fun on TC. I did not mention any names so I do find it funny that my intended subject knew exactly who I was refering to. 3. Anyway, maybe it wasn't so nice but it wasn't exactly horrible either. Mr. Thehandsom. I think this is bringing more attention to the incident than just leaving the thread dead. But since you insist, I apologize for naming you as catwoman's lapdog... Tchuss...

Thread: Tension in Turkey

55.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jul 2008 Tue 05:47 pm I personally think that the west prefers a weaker Turkey as opposed to a stronger one less dependent on the West. For this reason and this reason alone, is why the US and Britain support the AKP the way they do. But for Turkey, AKP is a step backwards in time.

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

56.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jul 2008 Tue 05:10 pm Quoting alameda: Regarding Catholics who disagree with the Pope, they are in fact not Catholics. In order to actually be a Catholic, you have to believe in what the Pope says. If you don't agree, you are not Catholic. "Members must accept the church as having the fullness of revelation, and according to Roman Catholic catechism is the only Christian body that is "holy, universal and apostolic" There are several issues that I disagree strongly with the church, yet I am a Catholic. They should feel lucky that anyone calls themselves a Catholic after what the church has put us through over the last few decades. If they want to let me know I am no longer Catholic, I can stop sending the checks....

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

57.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jul 2008 Tue 04:06 pm Quoting teaschip: Quite the opposite, I'm very comfortable with my religion, so I don't feel the need to defend it. Believe me a post about what is wrong with Christians, doesn't offend me. It takes alot more to set me off, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I thought the exact same thing. +1000

Thread: What is wrong with eggs?

58.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 11:26 pm Quoting geniuda: Quoting Elisabeth: Did you know that people who eat eggs carry small axes??? I dont agree with you on this Lis Juevos Rancheros...my favorite!!!

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

59.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 11:19 pm I just want to say this. This reminds me of white men in america that complain about reverse discrimination. There are actually men who believe that black men and women have an advantage over them. Media networks like Fox (O'Riley and Hannity) and IEB (Rush Limbaugh) feed on these people and brainwash them into thinking their rights and liberties are being violated. Its just nonsense...

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

60.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 09:01 pm let it be known my axe is plenty big...

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

61.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 08:52 pm Quoting @Tommy@: Does anyone know? Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols. Crusaders were killers. They can have sex everywhere and with everyone. .... But this pretty well describes most of my weekends (Minus the Crusades)

Thread: Elements

62.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 08:35 pm Not counting "man-made" elements, there are 94. This from my Perry's Chemical Engineering Handbook.

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

63.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 07:42 pm Quoting Elisabeth: The belief that it is ok to eat pork actually came from Jesus himself. I think (but I am not sure because its been more than a few decades since bible school) that in the Gospel of St. John that Jesus said something to the effect....why would you abstain from pork and observe all your other religious laws (like ritual ablution) and still be full of sin? (I am paraphrasing)...anyway, it is a Christian belief that God does not judge you by the contents of your stomach, or the cleanliness of your hands/feet, ect....but by the contents of your soul. Fish on Fridays (year round) was within both of our lifetimes Elizabeth. So that isn't entirely accurate.

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

64.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 07:41 pm So actually, this is one of my biggest theological issues as a Christian. God layed down these laws, but they were changed by man. I don't know where, but I think there are probably Christians that still practice this.

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

65.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 07:30 pm True many Christians may have been Pagans but actually, Christians at the time of Christ practiced Judism. Modern day Christians believe in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Not sure what they teach about Christianity in China but your facts are not necessarily correct ZZ.

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

66.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 07:19 pm Quoting zhang ziyi: Quoting KeithL: I have often wondered when it was decided and by whom, why it became acceptable to eat pork and shellfish for Christians. From what I know Christians were never forbidden pork or anything else. Thats not true. Several references to this in the Old Testament and in the times of Jesus (Isa) the practice was still forbidden. So at some point, a man not necessarily of God, changed this long time practice for all Christians.

Thread: What is wrong with christians?

67.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jul 2008 Mon 07:00 pm I have often wondered when it was decided and by whom, why it became acceptable to eat pork and shellfish for Christians.

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

68.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jul 2008 Sat 10:33 pm I am only pointing it out because of selective censorship. There should either be alot of censorship in our threads, or none at all...

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

69.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jul 2008 Sat 07:31 pm Was the purpose of this thread to bring people together or pull people apart? Or was it just to create some "excitement"?

Thread: As a Jewish

70.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jul 2008 Sat 02:44 pm There are many Jews that live and work in the şişli area of istanbul. As far as I see, they get along just fine.

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

71.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Jul 2008 Thu 08:53 pm My parents were married in the '60's in south-east Germany. My parents at the time were of different Christian faith at the time, Roman Catholic and Protestant. Both sides of my family were unhappy that this was a "mixed marraige". Like all religions, those that you feel are too extreme in islam will evntually moderate over time. But I have to agree with Mr.X here. This is indeed a sore that has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the scab and making it bleed again???

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

72.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Jul 2008 Thu 01:40 am No...Eastern hatred and western hatred are equal I'm afraid. As is their respective stupidity... I don't want to turn this into a one-upsmanship in hatred, but in particular, the white men in Texas that drug a black man to death from the back of their truck as his body came apart...this was my realization that humanity has no limitations on evil...

Thread: What is wrong with Muslims?

73.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Jul 2008 Thu 01:37 am I could find you lots of weirdos in the states too canim who preach white-protestant superiority. Its not always a pretty world...dimi???

Thread: Dog eat dog (Generals held over )

74.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jul 2008 Wed 03:47 pm Tayyip is over-exaggerating the influence of this "so-called" gang so he can stay in power and protect his beloved AK-Parti...

Thread: TRT Building Istanbul

75.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jul 2008 Tue 10:44 pm TRT's logo is red.

Thread: TRT Building Istanbul

76.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jul 2008 Tue 10:04 pm But does every building have to be glamourous?? This was typical modern 70's architecture. And again. This is not a tourist area. Its on a major throughfair with speeding traffic. This is not an area that has major foot traffic. This money can be better spent...

Thread: what caught my eye today

77.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jul 2008 Tue 10:01 pm Finally, Wal-Mart might start getting called on its unethical business practices. I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. Ever. http://www.startribune.com/business/22764284.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1

Thread: TRT Building Istanbul

78.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jul 2008 Tue 12:52 am http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=108446 An enduring tale of urban eyesore I don't understand this at all. This isnt a tourist area, nor on the water. This building is next to where the US Consulate used to be. Nothing special at all. What a waste of money if TRT is forced to move...

Thread: Spain-Germany= ?

79.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jun 2008 Mon 12:49 pm A just result unfortunately...

Thread: Spain-Germany= ?

80.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jun 2008 Sun 06:53 pm Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: Having spent more time than I ever care to with Germans these last two weeks, maybe I am now biased against them

Thread: Can I bring my car to Turkey?

81.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jun 2008 Sun 06:52 pm Several options for bringing a car into Turkey. But I will say buying a "foreigner plated" car is the easiest option. When I bought my first vehicles here, foreigners were required to drive cars with green license plates. Thank God they don't do that any more. Can you say target??? Anyway, one way is getting an ATA Carnet. It is simply documentation saying you are bringing your car in and will be taking it back with you. It is not possible to sell your car in Turkey with this option. You can keep the car in Turkey indefinitely this way. If you see a Red Ford Excursion in Istanbul, chances are its mine. I think mine is the only one still!!

Thread: Spain-Germany= ?

82.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jun 2008 Sun 06:45 pm I have to ask? How should Turkey have won??? All the goals by both teams were great goals. And I will even admit that the winning goal in the 89th minute was awfully gratuitous. But how should they have won? Germany held the lead at 1:0 and 2:1. Turkey of course had its chances but Germany did control play for the most part. I do wish Turkey would have been full strength for the match but such as life. I am very proud of how Turkey played, but Germany played well enough to win and should systematically dispose of Spain tonight. Deutschland, Deutschland über alles....

Thread: Spain-Germany= ?

83.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Jun 2008 Sat 09:56 pm Quoting mltm: kikiki they are soooo coldly happy after they scor a goal. When you expect to win every game, there is no need for celebrations. Leave the celebrations for the "wannabees"...

Thread: Spain-Germany= ?

84.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Jun 2008 Fri 09:28 pm The thing about Germany is they hold back in tournaments and save their best for last. Germany has so much talent and are as healthy as they have been in years. My only concern is Lehman. He is one of the most over-rated German goalies of all time. I predict a boring style, controlled game with Germany winning 2:1 Can't wait til Sunday...

Thread: Why lots of english people dont trust turkish

85.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Jun 2008 Fri 09:26 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Rocco this is a warning! Don't let us see such a comment again. This is absolutely horrible. Please delete his account now!!!

Thread: EURO 2008 SEMI FINAL - TURKEY VS. GERMANY

86.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Jun 2008 Thu 11:59 pm Quoting sonunda: The BBC are saying that they have nothing but admiration for the Turks and Germany really didn't deserve to win! BBC has to slam Germany of course. This is their nature. Did Team England enjoy watching the game on television?? Germany is loaded with talent. Hoping they can put off a very entertaining Espana Team and win it all. Go Deutschland!!!

Thread: Why lots of english people dont trust turkish

87.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Jun 2008 Wed 06:06 am Quoting alameda: You know, it's hard for anyone who doesn't know the whole situation to give an opinion on this. Can you go visit him to get a feeling of what is going on? Have you ever visited his family in person? I hope everything turns out OK. Good luck. Excellent Advice. I coudn't add anything more....

Thread: what caught my eye today

88.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Jun 2008 Wed 12:23 am Should we make a rule? No posts longer than one paragraph, 5 lines????

Thread: Turkey ve Croatia

89.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Jun 2008 Sat 12:38 am Gunfire in Fulya can only mean one thing.... TüRKIYE WINS!!!!!!!

Thread: football

90.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jun 2008 Fri 06:03 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: I think that Portugal deserved it more based on the football both teams played so far and yesterday. What game were you watching??? Germany dominated oter than for a few short stretches!

Thread: football

91.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jun 2008 Fri 12:05 am Deutschland!!!!!

Thread: YESSSS.. TURKEY 2 -SWITZERLAND 1

92.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jun 2008 Fri 05:05 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting AEnigmamagnadea: I am expecting a call from the Turkish government in the next few days to reward me for my sacrifices I happened to learn that Turkish Government will send you a package holiday in Marmaris as your reward. and a dudu of your choice...

Thread: YESSSS.. TURKEY 2 -SWITZERLAND 1

93.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jun 2008 Fri 11:00 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting thehandsom: YES YES YES YES YES YES calm down... it's just a stupid game! Your just a bitter Polish football fan...

Thread: football

94.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jun 2008 Mon 06:46 am Deutschland!!!!!!!

Thread: AK Parti stopped-no head scarves

95.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2008 Thu 07:39 pm I hope Erdogan receives this clear message for secularism... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7438348.stm

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

96.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2008 Thu 04:12 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information? Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from? It is personal of course and no one is forcing him. My only observation is this. In my entire life, I have never met anyone who declined to answer where they are from when asked. I find this very, very strange.

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

97.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:26 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting CANLI: Quoting Avalon: Quoting CANLI: handsom,in what region/city in Türkiye were you from ? Canli hairy never says that like he is ashamed of his origin))))tut,tut,tut Ohhh i never meant that,but actually he raised many questions in my mind related to that,so i asked. I have never ever been ashamed of about where I am from.. You are wrong on that (again!! ) Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

98.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:23 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: I don't agree with many of their sayings, but I don't think they are real racists either. To be honest, I think it was mainly a problem of English. Often they posted a racist sentence, but when they later explained it, it turned out to be not so racist as it looked at first. Yet, I wonder what this habit of TC is to keep discussing members that are gone, especially by people who are happy to see those members have gone I agree with this too. Patriotic and nationalist, but I don't believe racist...

Thread: Those silly Brits...

99.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2008 Wed 06:36 am http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7433905.stm Brit sues Greek resort because too many Germans. This is pathetic...

Thread: Turkish street food

100.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jun 2008 Sun 11:16 pm Quoting Capoeira: Quoting Roswitha: eat their street food. Turks are very, very clean people. i couldn*t disagree with you more!!! you couldn*t pay me to eat street food in turkey! Also the cleanliness stereotype goes right out the door the minute you go to any restroom in any restaurant right up to the pricey ones. Or just take a stroll pass a kitchen in any establishment. Love Turkey but living here has opened my eyes! I have to agree with that too. I am very selective about my "street food". I dont even like to take the bread if it been there for the day because everyone checks there bread by squeezing it. Thats alot of dirty fingers...

Thread: Stop Porn Culture!

101.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jun 2008 Sun 11:13 pm Yes there are racey pictures in the newspapers. But I never have seen porn out in the open in Istanbul. I know there are some shops in Taksim and another in Levent but I disagree that it is all over Istanbul open to see.

Thread: TURKISH DINNER

102.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 May 2008 Sun 06:20 pm Quoting yilgun-7: Are carbohydrates unhealthy? Only for people who don't exercise or don't walk enough.

Thread: what is your dream today????

103.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 May 2008 Sat 02:14 am Quoting catwoman: my dream is that handsom wins 44 million euro and buys TC... (the price for TC is 44 million euro) do I still get my salary??

Thread: Dudu marraiges studied

104.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 May 2008 Wed 07:38 am No true love in Didim...

Thread: EUROPEAN UNION

105.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 May 2008 Mon 03:01 pm No, Turkey doesn't need EU.

Thread: Three dead in Turkey explosions

106.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 May 2008 Sat 02:29 pm Three dead in landmine blast

Thread: Anyone know any cheaper hotels in Istanbul?

107.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 May 2008 Tue 04:47 pm Quoting egyptian_tomb: It happen to us more than one time. Halihotel in Sultanahmet and one hotel near the Amerika mall near Etiler Just for clarification, Akmerkiz Mall in Levent.

Thread: What does Turkish sound like to non-Turks?

108.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2008 Fri 07:22 pm everyone knows its a man with an Oberdeutsch accent that drives women crazy!!!

Thread: What is your mood today?

109.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2008 Fri 06:45 pm disgusted I think....more snow coming. Are you kidding me??? It's May for God's sake. Enough!

Thread: The Today Show is in Istanbul

110.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 09:15 pm Quoting tamikidakika: I bet the only thing they showed was women with full veil and the slums. Typical western journalist approach. Everything they showed was upscale and positive.

Thread: WESTERN WOMEN

111.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 07:08 pm your husband lets you talk this way??? what a bed woman you are!

Thread: Hello from my new home here in Istanbul

112.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 07:06 pm for some reason, i think he's near the airport, maybe Florya.

Thread: Blind Artist

113.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 03:29 pm I've heard about him. Its really amazing, some of his work.

Thread: On Paradise - for my dear friend, wherever he is

114.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 03:18 pm Try this, maybe it will help... Paradise Lost courtsy of John Milton

Thread: GAZA

115.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 12:53 am Can you imagine the world outcry if the Palestinians attacked an israeli hospital??? Israeli Rockets target hospital in Gaza

Thread: GAZA

116.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 12:46 am Life in East Jerusalem Striking images and a small sketch of daily life.

Thread: How does Turkish with an American Accent Sound

117.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2008 Thu 12:40 am Thats easy....Sounds like me unfortunately. I would equate it to a Swedish hockey player speaking English. My ex was a german born turk and moved back to turkey after 16 years. Even in her late 30's, her turkish was still with a german accent. Accents are difficult to lose...

Thread: Missing Italian Arists in Turkey was found dead

118.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Apr 2008 Tue 06:47 pm Turkish women will finish route....

Thread: Austrian police quiz 'sex captor'

119.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Apr 2008 Tue 06:08 pm Quoting Elisabeth: It is amazing to me that the treatment of this woman and the fact that she was forced to live in a cellar and give birth to seven of her fathers children has turned into a discussion about Turkey. No country is immune to sick people like this...not even Turkey. If you want to talk about this case, lets do so with a little understanding and sympathy for the human suffering that has taken place and not make it into a political discussion about how evil the west is. Lapinkulta, I think it is good that you brought the subject up for discussion but the framework in which you choose to discuss this tragedy is a bit off color to say the least. I agree 100%. Lets not turn this into yet another country comparison bitch-fest. We all know horrible things happen everywhere, and every country has its share of horrible men.

Thread: 23 April National Sovereignty and Children's Day

120.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:37 pm I don't hide it. My turkish politics lean towards Kemalism. My views are biased just as all our views are biased.

Thread: 23 April National Sovereignty and Children's Day

121.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:33 pm Quoting magnadea: Quoting KeithL: Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring. This sounds rather condescending to Azade. If her perspective is from the Kurdish areas in Turkey, does it make it less valid? If so, this implies that Kurdish-Turkish are less important than Kemalists from Ankara and Istanbul! Not condescending. Everyone's perspective is valid.

Thread: 23 April National Sovereignty and Children's Day

122.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:11 pm Quoting janissary: And I wonder too, why admin supports those members who keep attacking all national things about Turkey. It s not freedom of speech. it s just an insult. what a shame! Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring.

Thread: Human Rights Watch/saudi arabia/sheria/male domination

123.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Apr 2008 Tue 01:27 am I hate all this. Thats why we don't want shia law in Turkey.

Thread: Turks smoking away despite looming ban

124.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:35 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting magnadea: Thank you very much for the warm welcome and advice thehandsom You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in spending me a PM Now THAT is our handsome! Who is daydreamer????

Thread: Turks smoking away despite looming ban

125.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:32 pm Quoting magnadea: You are very diligent in your duties and I see you wasted no time in sending me a PM

Thread: CHP / Greater danger to Turkish democracy?

126.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:21 pm You are too serious hansom. This was not an attack. Have some fun. This is the same as saying "democratville" or "republicanville". Please don't say this was an attack...

Thread: what caught my eye today

127.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:06 pm I have always been skeptical of hypnosis and this surely proves there is a place for it in modern medicine. I found this really interesting too.

Thread: CHP / Greater danger to Turkish democracy?

128.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 08:57 pm This message is brought to you by, Radio Tkp-oğlu. Quoting thehandsom: What is chp? I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!

Thread: WOMEN TRAVELERS IN TURKEY – TO SMILE OR NOT TO SMILE?

129.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2008 Sun 05:17 pm The biggest rule of safety for foreigners traveling alone (not only women)is be aware and avoid areas where there are not other people. This is not only for women. I know several men who have been victimized by street crime in Ist. and its always late at night in empty streets.

Thread: Exchange Arabic/English with Turkish language

130.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Apr 2008 Sat 02:00 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting Elisabeth: I have to disagree with you teas....when I asked handsom for help he said....and I quote, "leave me alone or I will squash you like a bug you bed amerikan!" Quoting lady in red: Hmmmm....but meanwhile he was constantly offering 'assistance' to Daydreamer with her msn problems! Lis... what does Daydreamer have that you don't? an available ring finger for starters...

Thread: What is the best thing you bought lately?

131.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 09:20 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: My first new car car in a while! Enjoy your new car car...hope it's good on gas! Good luck with it! Nothing too fancy. Toyota Avalon

Thread: What is the best thing you bought lately?

132.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 08:54 pm My first new car car in a while!

Thread: roasted potatoes

133.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 07:25 pm Quoting thehandsom: I am the head of the welcome committee here. Did you guys vote on this when I was in Denver??? :-S

Thread: roasted potatoes

134.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 03:28 pm Quoting cokdeli: Think I'll just stick to chopping them! I'm new but a great site! cokdeli Welcome Cokdeli!!

Thread: What are you listening now?

135.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 03:25 am Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: NHL playoff pre-game show....what else? come on Keith!! not everything in life is about sports!! not sports....hockey

Thread: What are you listening now?

136.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 02:25 am NHL playoff pre-game show....what else?

Thread: what caught my eye today

137.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Apr 2008 Fri 01:23 am Quoting Elisabeth: ..........NOW YOU HAVE PUT ME OFF OF SALAD TOO??? There isn't anything left! No fruit either!! But the good news, you will be a size zero in no time!!! Black Widow in grapes at Costco

Thread: Women Rights in USA

138.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 04:02 pm Quoting Lapinkulta: You are not a woman so it's not your business to speak about women's rights dear. So . . . according to you: Islam is none of your business, men are none of your business and Turkish issues are none of your business. These are only a few of the topics that are none of your business as you are not a Muslim, a man or Turkish... did u understand?if u didnt,I can tell u these with another language.. sweet kisses ,şekerim Now this was funny. Trapped by her own words!

Thread: What is your mood today?

139.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:59 am Quoting girleegirl: Quoting thehandsom: worried.. (I know, I am a hypochondriac and my latest worry is 'testical cancer') I think you should stop doing so many self examinations. The nuns warned us that this causes blindness too. He may want to become Catholic before its too late!!!

Thread: What is your mood today?

140.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:51 am Quoting catwoman: 6am alarm to play/watch games? I would love this kind of exhaustion! I'm enjoying my time off, but once I heal, I am a workaholic. So you don't have to be jealous much longer...

Thread: gay people

141.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:40 am and every time you turn on turkish daytime television, Bulent Ersoy is on. So there is "a level" of acceptance.

Thread: What is your mood today?

142.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:36 am I'm exhausted. 5 days in Denver, hockey playoffs on every night past midnight. I need to get back to Turkey so I can get some sleep. 6.00 am alarm clock is killing me!!!

Thread: Turks smoking away despite looming ban

143.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:33 am I know smokers hate this law but as a non-smoker, I am thankful for it. So nice to stop in for a beer and not have to worry about dry-cleaning your suit or whatever clothes you are wearing....

Thread: gay people

144.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2008 Thu 03:31 am Quoting teaschip: Quoting KeithL: like so many things, Istanbul is different than the rest of Turkey. Thousands of gays live in Istanbul (openly) and live normal lives. I don't see them as having it much different than other big cities in the world. Keith, I asked this question before..however, no one answered it maybe you can. I take it since it's openly in Istanbul, the Turkish military doesn't have a problem with gays since males are required to serve. Also, have there been any demands for gay marriages to the government? Its like the US policy, "don't ask, don't tell". There are gays in the turkish military and I am sure just like in US, some people hate it. For their safety they should keep it quiet. I personally know of two turkish gay marraiges. I doubt it is widespread. The main thing is they can work and not feel threatened. In smaller areas I doubt it is this way.

Thread: Missing Italian Arists in Turkey was found dead

145.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Apr 2008 Wed 05:42 am I see some women in Gebze are considering finishing the walk to Israel. This would be touching...

Thread: gay people

146.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Apr 2008 Wed 05:38 am like so many things, Istanbul is different than the rest of Turkey. Thousands of gays live in Istanbul (openly) and live normal lives. I don't see them as having it much different than other big cities in the world.

Thread: Families seeking retaliation in feud find it hard to bury the hatchet

147.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Apr 2008 Tue 03:43 am I read an article last week in Hurriyet about a blood feud muder in Antalya. Kurdish family that had moved there from the east trying to escape a blood feud. They had boys under 18 do the shooting so that they would get lesser sentences for murder. But under new laws, the elders will get the same punishment for ordering the murders as if they fired the guns themselves. Unbelievable that this can still happen and people think this way in 21st century.

Thread: What do you love about Turkey?

148.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Apr 2008 Mon 05:52 pm Hospatality was the first trait I grew to love about Turkey. Our construction site was 15 minutes north of Adapazari in the hills. It was next to a small village, Adapazari-Taşkısığı. No one in this village spoke a word of English, there were no cars or anything that looked modern. But they were so helpful and friendly in my first week in Turkey before I discovered Istanbul. I will always remember my first 48 hours in Turkey with wonder, amazement and appreciation.

Thread: what caught my eye today

149.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Apr 2008 Mon 04:55 am Quoting incişka: art???? that is just heart-breaking... no man nor animal deserves to die this way...

Thread: Missing Italian Arists in Turkey was found dead

150.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Apr 2008 Sat 11:24 pm This truly is dreadful. And it was a very bad idea. A woman hitch-hiking alone is dangerous. And doing it in a wedding dress made her an even bigger target. I am so sorry this happened but I think most people in Istanbul would have told her this is a horrible idea. As safe as we all want to make Turkey sound, sometimes it is not. Good judgement just was not used here. (No disrespect for this young girl, only sympathy for her and her family...)

Thread: Unions say they will be in Taksim Square on May 1

151.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Apr 2008 Sat 07:41 am Last year Taksim was closed from almost 3 km from every direction. I happened to have a meeting in Sultan Ahmet that day and had to travel through Taksim to get there from besiktas. There were know buses, taksi or metro running in the area so I had to walk. When I got to taksim, the tear gas was still very strong. I got almost through but still had to visit my friend at a Taksim hotel just to catch my breath. Yes, Turkish pension is after 20 years working. This is so jobs are available for younger people. Most people I know still get a second job after they "retire". But yes, May 1 will always be a tense day in Turkey. At Sisli Camii alone, there were over 500 police. This is 20 minutes walk from Taksim. As I kept walking, more and more police and armored vehicles. Last year was tense because of the elections but I think this year is capable of being even more tense due to political climate.

Thread: What is your mood today?

152.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Apr 2008 Sat 02:56 am dissapointed.... some things are just too good to be true...

Thread: Bye bye Everybody

153.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Apr 2008 Fri 05:06 pm here is the list of other turkish learning sites by the way and the post authors. So please, continue the trashing of the other classless people... http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_22196

Thread: Bye bye Everybody

154.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Apr 2008 Fri 05:04 pm Why is this classless? There is an entire thread on this site dedicated to other links for learning Turkish. So if Vineyards is classless for this, so are the dozens of other people that posted other links. (This included admin by the way). What is the point of hating for the sole purpose of hate???

Thread: hi! :) im new

155.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Apr 2008 Fri 08:49 am Quoting catwoman: OMG... look how nice we used to be to each other.... we even used to have threads greeting new members... +1.000.000

Thread: Bye bye Everybody

156.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Apr 2008 Fri 08:44 am Vineyards will be missed. He is what I call a "contributer". So many of his posts contained great perspective and information on many subjects involving Turkey. We need more "contributers"...

Thread: what caught my eye today

157.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Apr 2008 Thu 11:13 pm only curious why this is significant in his country?

Thread: What is your mood today?

158.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Apr 2008 Thu 04:54 pm worried. I think I am a snow magnet. The snow is following me everywhere. I arrived in Denver in good weather and now we are getting up to a foot of snow here in the mountains. Anyone want me to come visit them and bring this weather with me?

Thread: How to pop rice

159.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Apr 2008 Thu 04:48 pm I have never enjoyed puffed rice. There's just no flavor.

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160.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Apr 2008 Thu 04:46 pm Of all our differences, I think overall, this a a very morally concious group we have at TC. Poverty is the ultimate opressor.

Thread: what caught my eye today

161.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Apr 2008 Thu 03:58 pm Quoting libralady: One of our Lib Democrat politicians has admited to sleeping with "no more" than 30 partners! How is that for honesty in his life or since (he/she) has been in office?

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162.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 11:27 pm Quoting azade: I mentioned the city I live in because it is probably the best example to support my question Anyway thanks you have answered it, while others were busy speculating my hidden agenda :-S I was not looking for agenda. Was only asking to see what perspective you have. Thanks for answering.

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163.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 10:38 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting KeithL: Azade, have you been to SE Turkey often? I thought she 'lived' there Maybe, I don't know.

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164.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 10:06 pm Azade, have you been to SE Turkey often?

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165.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 09:43 pm Quoting azade: vineyards most of the things you are saying are not true. Prejudices are very harmful and only make things worse. what is not true in what he said? Every village may not be this way but these traditions still exist in many kurdish villages.

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166.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 09:19 pm Quoting catwoman: Why exactly? Canadians in Quebec don't have to speak english! This is not quite true.

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167.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 09:07 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: This is hardly an argument. In El Paso, Texas they speak Spanish. In Quebec City, Canada they speak French. In Oberwart, Austria they speak Hungarian. These are not good enough reasons to change a border. Agreed . But in Turkey, Kurds cannot speak kurdish at schools, which basically means that they can't go to schools. They can't even name their holiday in their native language, they are forbidden to use Kurdish names!!!!!! You still think there's no oppression? How do they expect to come to Istanbul and get a job if they don't speak Turkish? I think they can learn both, but schooling has to be in Turkish. This is only common sense!!!

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168.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:45 pm Azade, we are answering you politely. But your posts do suggest a border change. So I don't understand your point.

Thread: roasted potatoes

169.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:43 pm And if you put your mint in too early, it gets brown and loses flavor. Mint, garlic,parsley, oregano, these are all organically generated spices. The longer you cook them, the more you lose flavor. They should always be added in the last 20 minutes of cooking.

Thread: roasted potatoes

170.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:36 pm You can slice or cube. I don't even skin mine. I just wash them well.

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171.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:35 pm Quoting azade: I wonder how many turks actually live in south eastern Turkey. In Hakkâri I can't remember having met a person that could not speak kurdish, I'd like to know about other cities. Probably the further west the more dense population of turks. It's funny that some are so protective of 'their land' but they never dare venture there. They also tend to forget that borders change. This is hardly an argument. In El Paso, Texas they speak Spanish. In Quebec City, Canada they speak French. In Oberwart, Austria they speak Hungarian. These are not good enough reasons to change a border.

Thread: roasted potatoes

172.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 08:29 pm The only potatoes in istanbul I use is the large brown ones. I don't cover my potatoes when i roast them, i just go in and turn them over a few times. Keep the tops wet with oil. Also, better if you add the salt and mint towards the end rather than right away.

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173.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 07:42 pm Quoting yazmin_cita: mint! that's it... that's the taste... thank you so much! afiyet olsun....

Thread: roasted potatoes

174.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 07:18 pm The ones we have always made are simple. You roast with olive oil salt, mint and thats about it.

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175.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 06:44 pm Quoting Daydreamer: I don't believe a semi-autonomous state is a good solution. Look at semi-autonomous Albanians in Serbia - they got their rights and used them to bite the hand that gave them privileges. +1 Exactly right

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176.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 05:03 pm If you think there is conflict in the area now, imagine what it would be like if Turkey was forced to give eastern Turkey away.

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177.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 03:55 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: As I said in another thread, how can Turkey not grant rights to a free Kurdistan if they accepted Kosovo? Does it work like, if they steal from another country it's fine by us, but if they steal for us it's unacceptable? Yes! You got it! I was against an independent Kosovo also.

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178.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 03:54 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting CANLI: Should countries divide their lands between whom living in it ?! So we will see İtalin part ,Chinese part,Japanese part...ect in USA as well ?! And all of them will be independent ?!!! I see a difference here with the Kurds though... The İtalians, Chinese and Japanese in the US all have independent countries to go back to when they dont like the policy of their new country The way you say it, we should just divide Russia's population over all countries in the world, they create an independent state, and all of the world is Russian Thank you DK, I have been waiting for someone to post this. On one hand, these Kurds could go live in what will be independent Kurdistan in N. Iraq. But on the other hand, the Kurds there don't want them to come.

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179.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2008 Tue 12:54 am lots and lots of snow. Its supposed to be spring!!!! Over 80 cm of snow in 2 days this weekend.

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180.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 10:20 pm and it just gets weirder.... Father-daughter relationship

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181.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 10:11 pm Quoting alameda: Actually I wonder if the PKK is actually a Kurdish organization at all. They seem to cause more damage to the ethnic Kurds than anyone. This is so true!!!

Thread: Finding a small place in Istanbul

182.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 07:11 pm many such places rent small flats. As a foreigner, I'm guessing you want to be near Sultan Ahmet or Taksim. Lots of Real Estate people to assist you. Keep in mind, they charge a "finder's fee" of 1 months rent. Good luck.

Thread: janissary must be admin:)))

183.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 03:21 pm Quoting teaschip1: Why not? It appears the qualifications to become mod is entry level and minimal experience required. Not directed towards anyone specific, however I must say Lady and Deli I believe are very good mods. Look at this thread. It started as a lighthearted comment about Janissary's time online here. Post #3. Teaschip jumps in and makes personal attacks on mods. And she is crying about personal attacks.... Flip-Flop Flip-Flop

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184.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 06:37 am I don't apologize for entering threads where Turkey is unfairly and unnecessarily criticized. I enjoy all Turkey has brought to my life. I am apalled by those that come here only to say bad things about it. I ask you Teaschip, when was the last thing positive you said about Turkey at this site? I don't call names, I don't question intelligence. But I do stand up for what I believe in. Your leash on what you are allowed to post as compared to me is so much longer. And since being a mod, my leash is even shorter. If you criticize me, expect me to respond. If you criticize Turkey unfairly, expect me to respond. This is so simple.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

185.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 06:29 am Quoting teaschip1: Also if you notice, Keith and vineyard NEVER respond on Jans posts. Interesting, now isn't it. With all due respect, I am more politically alligned with Vineyard and Jans. So there is less to disagree on. This is only logical.

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186.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 06:20 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: I would like for the both of them to leave me alone. Unless, of course I am out of line or breaking the rules. Then discipline me. But don't make me feel like they are two bulleys after me. That's how I'm starting to feel here. That is definitely what it has to be like. I will talk to Keith about it. I could make a very long list of personal attacks you have made on people, including me. I find it funny how many times you have typed my name in your posts. So lets not pretend to be so innocent. Again, I will say, if comparing your post to a cut and paste google search is the worst you are ever spoken about, then you should be lucky. If you wish to continue, I can make a list of all the adjectives and descriptions you have made about me. This is really ridiculous...

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187.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Apr 2008 Mon 06:12 am Quoting teaschip1: Actually, my post wasn't cut and pasted. It was research I did on the matter, found on the internet. Please be my guest and try to cut and paste this link, it's protected.So what the hell is your point Keith? You may also want to look at Vineyards post as well, found the same information on Yahoo. You obviously have a problem with me, as a mod if you have personal problem, you need to pm me. I'm tired of your calis remarks. It is quite evident who the immature one is here. I post, vineyard responds and Keith is right behind him. Actually, it's quite amusing how you protect eachother. I didn't realize men did this sort of thing. Responding to Vineyards post. Bought obviously once again Turkey has no problem taking the money. Now what's worse? What kind of message does that send? After the things that are said about me at this website, you consider this an attack? My, my, what thin skin we have. Imagine how Alemeda must feel when you and your friends pound on her every chance you get. I was not attacking. I simply think you found some paragraphs critical of Turkey and its motives and cut and pasted them here. Whether I am a mod or not, I have the right to question anything on this Turkish Cultural website that I think unfairly criticizes Turkey.

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188.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 10:53 pm You didn't come to mind when I said that DK. And I have never thought of you being overly critical of Turkey...

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189.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 10:52 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: But I am also against anarchy and anarchists. What do you mean by that? Does it mean that you don't approve of people opposing the government? In the case of the Turkish kurds, they have a right to equality. But they do not have a right to border modification.

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190.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 10:43 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting janissary: Thanks Lapin bro. I dont wanna be a mod on this website. better to stay as a normal nationalist (racist for someones, like adolf hitler) member . I just love my country. I wish others loved too. Just because your governments policies are criticized does not mean that those criticizing don't love your country! Everyone should be open enough to understand that ALL governments have problems and ALL people should be able to voice their opinions on the issues that they see. This is not just a matter of "us vs. them". All countries interactions effect the rest of the world! and I agree with this also. I love America, but at the same time have been very critical of this Iraq War.

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191.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 10:36 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting vineyards: Keith, if I were you would delete the posts containing personal attacks directed to you. How come these people call you a fascist? I agree with that. I am anything but a fascist. But I am also against anarchy and anarchists. If simply disagreeing with thehansom makes me a fascist in his opinion, then he needs to look at his own definitions of free speech. As far as my turkish education, I have not taken it blindly from the internet. I have worked with some of the biggest companies in Turkey and am a partner in one of them. I have had many discussion both political and socio-economic with Turkish politicians at several levels because of my job. Does this make me an expert? Of course not. But I am much more informed than you may know. As you have read from one of my last posts, I have no harsh feelings towards Kurds and openly state they deserve complete equal rights. I draw the line where it comes to re-drawing Turkey's eastern border. There had been relative peace in the east (once Apo was brought to justice) until the Iraq War started. Once the Iraqi Kurds began to gain control of N. Iraq, that "Kurdistan Fever" spread into Turkey and gave the Kurds there the hope of joining their Iraqi kurd brothers. But this is wrong. You can be proud to be a kurd, but a kurdish Turk...

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192.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:31 pm Quoting KeithL: Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan? What about you Gernas? Is this question too difficult to answer?

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193.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:28 pm I respect your opinion and of course your answer does not make you a terrorist. Only a human.

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194.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:22 pm Quoting Saskia1970: Quoting KeithL: Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan? My answer: Yes. Because all people are entitled to their own country. Saskia. I disagree with you about Turkey giving up any portion of their land. But thank you for your honesty!!!

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195.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:18 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan? I am seriously considering if you have enough intelligence and knowledge about the turkey to be a mod here.. Seriously!! Why are you so afraid to answer this question?

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196.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:15 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Quoting KeithL: Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan? Isn't it interesting that these two "free-thinkers" are not brave enough to answer this question!!! haha you never ever understood turkish politics and no knowledge at all about our history and culture.. You are embarresing as a mod to Turks here.. Its a very simple question. This is the very heart of the issue. It is you who is changing the subject, attacking others who do not agree with you etc. etc.

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197.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:12 pm Quoting azade: Is there anything else that you do - besides bickering about members that don't agree with you? Yes, I am trying to get a Turkish language, learning group organized. Would you like to help?

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198.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 06:10 pm Quoting KeithL: Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan? Isn't it interesting that these two "free-thinkers" are not brave enough to answer this simple question!!!

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199.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 05:30 pm Let me ask a simple question to both of you. Do you think Turkey should give up any of its land for an independent Kurdistan?

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200.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 05:29 pm I have never deleted a thread or asked a member to change a post in anyway.

Thread: Beşiktaş Akaretler Sıravler project - Old depot turns into luxury hotel

201.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 04:35 pm so true, so true...

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202.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 04:33 pm I'm saying that if the threat of kurish seperation and turkish loss of land were gone, the over-handed rule of the kurds in the east would be less oppressive. There are two sides to this story.

Thread: Beşiktaş Akaretler Sıravler project - Old depot turns into luxury hotel

203.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 04:30 pm I can't imagine them putting a luxury hoyel here. It's right at the Kadıkoy Ferry. The traffic in the little area off Barbaros is horrible! I can't think of a worse location to put a hotel.

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204.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 04:28 pm Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Saskia1970: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting teaschip1: Why not? It appears the qualifications to become mod is entry level and minimal experience required. Not directed towards anyone specific, however I must say Lady and Deli I believe are very good mods. but janissary has master's degree and he is doing his doctorate degree...he is better than other mods Better in what? Nationalistic comments? Getting upset when someone dares to criticise Turkey? Well, I agree, he is better in that. at least he defends his country againt ppl who always posts bad things about his own country.these ppl dont accept any criticises about their country..they try to hide their country's rubbish under carpet... he is here coz he loves his country as I do.why other ppl here who keep insulting turks?if this is nationalism,I dont mind being nationalist. +1.000.000

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205.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 04:04 pm Don't you think the kurds must take some blame for their position? Their circumstances are not unique to Turkey. They face the same "so-called oppression" in every country they live in. And its because in all of these countries, they are fighting for their own independent nation and wish to carve out land from these existing countries. I am not saying whether this is right or wrong. But the bottom line, this is the underlying tension an all of these regional countries. If the kurds were not a threat to try and redraw borders with help of U.S., U.N., E.U. etc, their perceived oppression would be much different.

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206.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 03:40 pm Quoting teaschip1: I don’t believe anyone disputed Turkey being an asset to the Americans in the Korean War. However, lets look back after World War II when the Brits left Greece and Turkey and the Truman Doctrine was signed. Basically the U.S. committing to balance the power in the Near East. Turkey welcomed that with open arms it is estimated at $400 million that went to Greece and Turkey as a result of the Truman Doctrine. Let us not forget as well why Turkey entered the Korean War. They wanted to show their solidarity to the West not to mention more importantly what their capabilities were. As Turkey entered the Korean War there were over 3,000 casualties and approx 700 deaths. Unfortunately, Turkey entered into the War lacking weapons and equipment that were totally obsolete. The United States had to increase their military budget form $13 to about $50 billion that amount meant the military would have better guns more equipment and yes, their was money for Turkey. This was the turning point for Turkey’s role both in European and Near Eastern Power and it’s defense in which the United States supported and as a result Turkeys full support membership into NATO. With Turkey’s army of nearly 500,000 people and equipment obsolete, the United States began to understand that Turkey as an investment of the security of the West. It cost $9,000 to fit a Turkish soldier where as to put an American soldier in Turkey it was $60,000 . So the money sent to Turkey in paid dividends was basically a terms of Western security. The critical peace between Turkey and the United States was the concern from Turkey of the Soviet Union. What Turkey wanted was a guarantee that strategically aligning with the United States who had nuclear weapons. What Turkey was willing to committ was a defense to the West , a membership into NATO, military assistance, economic assistance. In which the United States followed through on every aspect and continue s to do so this very day. Excellent cut and past response...bravo!!!

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207.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2008 Sun 01:14 am he payed for the unlimited TC subscription

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208.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 08:33 pm Quoting thehandsom: I dont want to join this discussion. But I just want to remind a few things relating to names of cities/towns/villages in Turkey: Since the begining of the republic of Turkey, we have changed nearly 30.000 names (may be more). We know that Tunceli was Dersim or Kırklareli was kirkkilise for example. Many names, specially after 1957, have been changed because for one reason or another. All names, which had 'Kürt, Gürcü, Tatar, Çerkez, Laz, Arap, muhacir' words in them have been changed. I think, one of the reason was those names were not found as part of Turkish culture. Basically, in last 50 years, 35% of the village names have been changed in Turkey. Its true, many villages names changed. It has only been 80 years since alphabet and language changed don't forget. Historically, this is a very short time period for a new turkish nation. Also, it is not only kurdish villages that have had name changes. So don't feel so targeted.

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209.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 08:30 pm I am only kidding with you... Even fascists get to have fun sometimes too!

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210.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 07:41 pm I agree with you. Insultturkaköy is a place I too avoid. But the people who visit there often are from DFistan so what can you expect??

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211.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 07:37 pm CHPköy is very nice this time of year. You should come visit me some time. The streets are safe and clean, the people work, its a very good environment and things look to even get better, inşallah...

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

212.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 07:32 pm Quoting janissary: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting janissary: where are u from Handsome? in turkey? u dont say anything about ur hometown. I always say Im from black sea... what is my home town got to do with the topic exactly? I just wondered where u are from? is it private? My guess has always been he is from TKPköy or TKPbahçe...

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

213.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 05:37 pm Great post Vineyards!!!

Thread: More stupidity today...

214.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:29 am 3 year old boy kicked out of school over haircut... Can't believe how stupid people can be. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/7331184.stm

Thread: Pregnant "man" in US...

215.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:06 am for the record..I have no taste in men... (Not there's anything wrong with that)

Thread: Who has ever tasted Hamzi/Hamsi?

216.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2008 Sat 12:05 am Quoting MrX67: Quoting KeithL: Quoting MrX67: life is a big ZERO without hamsi,coz hamsi is the name of life Table for 2 when I get back to Istanbul... şerefe brotherhamsiler benden,rakılar senden ok? tabiki...cok guzel

Thread: Who has ever tasted Hamzi/Hamsi?

217.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:59 pm Quoting MrX67: life is a big ZERO without hamsi,coz hamsi is the name of life Table for 2 when I get back to Istanbul...

Thread: Pregnant "man" in US...

218.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:57 pm Quoting geniuda: Quoting girleegirl: I took in pictures of Catherine Deneuve, Charlize Theron and Kate Winslet and said make me look about 70-80% like them! GG..could you provide the name of the doctor?.. I want to become a man and look like George Clooney

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219.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 11:07 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here. Then why do I always hear gay people say "God made me this way". Is that an excuse? Would it make you feel better if they said, "biology made me this way"? (No pleasing the Christian Reich)

Thread: Pregnant "man" in US...

220.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:41 pm It is a biology issue. It has nothing to do with God or how God wants us. But I do feel sorry for children being brought up in these types of circumstances. This is the type of case where morality and legality meet head-on. Glad it is not for me to decide what is right here.

Thread: Saudi Arabia: Woman killed for chatting on Facebook

221.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:34 pm Quoting MrX67: thats really easy to understand worries of western people about the mistakes of some stupid people who don't aware of real meaning of İslam and islamic culture.. +1

Thread: Pregnant "man" in US...

222.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:27 pm Well, it is real. The person was a woman and kept all the reproductive organs after a sex change operation. So, scientifically, it is believable.

Thread: Pregnant "man" in US...

223.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:23 pm Right or wrong, I don't know. But this is just weird.... Pregnant Man in US

Thread: King Assassination Anniversary

224.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 07:19 pm 40th Anniversary today of this tragic act. Can only wonder how history may have been changed if he wasn't shot down in his prime. MLKJ Anniversary

Thread: Who has ever tasted Hamzi/Hamsi?

225.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 05:40 pm I love hamsi! There is a great fish cafe in Besiktaş fish market. The owner is a former Besiktaş footballer. Close to home and absolutely one of my favorite places to eat!

Thread: about death..

226.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 05:38 pm I heard an interesting thing on the radio(MPR)yesterday. They were discussing aging and trying to define what age is old. One of the guests said that when you start going to one funeral a year for friends in your age group, you are entering old age.

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227.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Apr 2008 Fri 05:17 pm We know, we know.... America is Great, Turkey sucks. blah blah blah...

Thread: What is the best thing you bought lately?

228.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Apr 2008 Thu 06:03 pm Tickets to next week's hockey championship in Denver 2008 Frozen Four

Thread: turkey in tthe EU

229.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Apr 2008 Thu 05:39 pm And actually, one of the small steps happened today. Cyprus relations has been one stumbling point. Nicosia Street reopens

Thread: turkey in tthe EU

230.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Apr 2008 Thu 05:35 pm They are closer in last 5 years, but there are real issues to work out. Honestly though, the longer it goes, the less Turkey will need to be in EU.

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231.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Apr 2008 Thu 05:31 pm after 10 years.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

232.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Apr 2008 Wed 12:43 am Did I say anyone here should not have the right to question? All I have done is disagreed. Slam??? Maybe. You have never slammed anyone here? As I have said countless times. Turkey is at a crossroads now. The nations that form G-7 and are permanent UN Security members did not become stable democracies over night. They went through the same identity struggles early on as Turkey is going through now. This is why I do not hold Turkey to the same standards as I hold to western nations. Do my views conflict sometimes because of this? Yes.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

233.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Apr 2008 Wed 12:31 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: No. Not even close. Using the extreme to make a point. Oh, ok, that's good . Keith, I would like to see you trying to understand our point of view before you decide to disrespect it. Seriously, isn't that what you are asking us to do? You are not going to do any good for Turkey or Islam if you disrespect views you disagree with. If you display understanding, the other side will also make that effort. What have I disrespected?

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

234.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Apr 2008 Wed 12:16 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Believing in free speech does not mean that I have to believe or even respect what others say. the Nazi's march every year in Skokie, IL (a large Jewish Community). They are exercising their free speech. Do I respect their message? No. So, to my point. The free spirits in America that want to ban Christmas Trees, Nativity scenes and yes....the Pledge of Allegiance, I hear them, but I don't respect them. My fascist statement was a joke. (maybe) I see. So you're saying that people here who disagree with you have ideas that are equally bad as the Nazis in Skokie or those who oppose Christmas Trees and Nativity scenes? No. Not even close. Using the extreme to make a point.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

235.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Apr 2008 Wed 12:15 am Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: let me ask this to the members of whats left of "the gang" If you are free to be critical of Alameda, why do you cry when I am critical of you?? You are so predictable!!! Uhh who had the closest time to 2:55 PM in the TC betting pool on when keith to jump to alameda's defense? Do we have a winner??? I think it is hilarious how people refer to "the gang" as though it were something real!!! It was a joke...it was a group who could lighten up and have some fun! Its true though. You post 50 times criticizing Alemeda to my 1 time to defending her. And when I jump in and even say the smallest thing, you cry to your "protector". You want to be able to say whatever you want, about whomever you want and not be challenged. You can dish it out, but can't take it....

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

236.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Apr 2008 Wed 12:08 am Quoting catwoman: Keith, how do these two posts go together? You said that you believe in complete free speech, even if it makes you a fascist, but you condemn it when people express their disregard for national traditions? Believing in free speech does not mean that I have to believe or even respect what others say. the Nazi's march every year in Skokie, IL (a large Jewish Community). They are exercising their free speech. Do I respect their message? No. So, to my point. The free spirits in America that want to ban Christmas Trees, Nativity scenes and yes....the Pledge of Allegiance, I hear them, but I don't respect them. My fascist statement was a joke. (maybe)

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

237.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 10:01 pm Quoting thehandsom: I dont believe genes carry fachism.. fachism comes with ideas like the desires of othoritarian state, powerful army, people sacrificing themselves etc.. And where would Istanbul and the Turks be today without a powerful army and without people willing to sacrafice? If you would have been at Gelibolu, would you have run??? Are you turkish at all??

Thread: Turkey orders trial of ruling party

238.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:58 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Yes, but to be honest I dont think that the issue of headscarves is against secularism? Well I hope it will open a way for people who are neither Kemalist or religious to create a new party. Well, being loyal to Ataturk means being a Kemalist, doesn't it? Deli, read the preamble and the first four articles of the constitution and maybe you will see why some (including me) see this so clearly.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

239.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:55 pm let me ask this to the members of whats left of "the gang" If you are free to be critical of Alameda, why do you cry when I am critical of you??

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

240.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:53 pm Quoting thehandsom: I am really begining to think that we have a mod with fachist ideas.. Because most fascists had this paranoia of 'communism creeping from the opposition'. They somehow think that every critisisim of state are done by communists only.. Well done admins!! I believe in complete free speech. So if I am a fascist, I am a bad one...

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

241.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:51 pm Quoting thehandsom: I am really begining to think that we have a mod with fachist ideas.. Because most fascists had this paranoia of 'communism creeping from the opposition'. They somehow think that every critisisim of state are done by communists only.. Well done admins!! I'm German....it comes honestly enough

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

242.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:49 pm Quoting azade: What has it got to do with communism?? Individualism and personal freedom would be better choices. We have rules in society. And procedures. And traditions. If you don't care to follow them, this is your choice. But insulting others for honoring tradition and rules is subversive.

Thread: Turkey orders trial of ruling party

243.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:43 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting KeithL: Based on the constitution, they court has no choice but to ban AK Parti. What exactly does it say in the constitution? Part 1, Article 2. "The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, SECULAR and social state governed by the rule of law; bearing in mind the concepts of public peace, national solidarity and justice; respecting human rights; loyal to the nationalism of Atatürk, and based on the fundamental tenets set forth in the Preamble" I think this is where the Kemalists and the AK Parti supporters begin to part ways.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

244.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:32 pm I also will make the comparison that the people in Turkey that protest Andımız, are the same people in America who protest Pledge of Allegiance in school, Christmas Trees and Nativity Scenes. These people with their communist ideology really bore me...

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

245.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 09:22 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Name one or two for me. I can name many with strong sense of nationalism that are truly independent. USA Canada England France Germany Russia Japan China Of course I have left out some, but these are the obvious that come to mind in just seconds. What makes these countries great is not their nationalism. Also, what made them great was not their nationalism. And in present day, nationalism in these countries is used to manipulate the masses to allow the governments to carry on their hideous policies. I did not say nationalism made them great. They are great countries. AND...they are nationalists.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

246.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:54 pm Quoting catwoman: Oh, and the statement that all great countries have a strong national identity is simply false. Name one or two for me. I can name many with strong sense of nationalism that are truly independent. USA Canada England France Germany Russia Japan China Of course I have left out some, but these are the obvious that come to mind in just seconds.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

247.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:51 pm It's like Elizabeth said about America's Pledge of Allegiance. It is a tribute to those who fought so many wars and gave their lives at a young age so that today's children can be free and live under self-rule. The people in the US that protest pledge of allegiance are the type of people who will protest anything, just for the sake of protest. Andımız is the same. It honors Turkey's hero's that kept Turkey out of the hand's of its enemies after the fall of the Osmans.

Thread: ANDIMIZ! (Student Vow)

248.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 07:04 pm Quoting janissary: I didnt want to start a discussion with this topic. IF TURKISH CLASS IS NOT A POLITICS AND RELIGION WEB SITE, ONE OF THE MOST SUITABLE POST IS THE ONES, GIVING KNOWLEDGES ABOUT TURKEY. Some members post politic things which show their views, but no body criticize it or say something wrong. We forgot that this class is a language class for along time. This post is all about turkey and tukish culture. it s reality in turkey. it happens at schools every morning. I dont see anything wrong with this Andımız. I really didnt think it will take bad comments. it s just an innocent promise for students. why are u looking for racism under everything? being patriotic is bad ? Yes Im "narrow minded", maybe moderators must delete or close this topic. I wont say I wait respect from members coz I know members well now. +1 All strong, modernized countries have a strong national identity. Anyone that can be "anti-Andımız" are capable of being anti-anything that is good in this world.

Thread: Turkey orders trial of ruling party

249.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 06:07 pm I think they wanted to wait and give AK Parti some time to "hang themselves", headscarve issue, etc. They needed to collect evidence of how AK Parti is reversing laws against the constitution and not just base the decision on the party's past Islamic government agenda.

Thread: Aysun Kayacı comments are very thought provoking...

250.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:57 pm But, this very idea is also the reason the US utilizes the electoral college system and not the popular vote. Founding Fathers were worried that rural residents would become the majority populous and unite under a single movement, undermining the wealth in the cities. Additionally, the super delegates that are selecting the democratic Presidential nominee are free to choose who they want and are not bound to vote the way that their district may have voted. So, its possible, that if Turkey were set up in a similar fashion, where areas in eastern Turkey received less "voting power", Erdogan may never have been elected in the first place.

Thread: Turkey orders trial of ruling party

251.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 05:51 pm Based on the constitution, they court has no choice but to ban AK Parti. Will the Supreme Court then also be accused of being part of Deep State?

Thread: Aysun Kayacı comments are very thought provoking...

252.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:57 am She is on a morning television talk show in Istanbul. Basically, she asked why a "sheep herder's" vote should be equal to hers in the election. This has been the argument against democracy for every democratic country in the world at one point. The alternative is to follow a monarchy or fascist government to make your decisions for you because they are better qualified to make political decisions. Today's Zaman

Thread: Turkey orders trial of ruling party

253.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:32 am http://www.thenewanatolian.com/opinion-31857.html To some, it appears all but certain that Erdoğan will be banned from politics for the 2nd time in his career. All the judges that are deciding the case appear to be firm Kemalists.

Thread: Expo 2015 is lost

254.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:18 am http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=137787 I don't know if this was the right decision for Europe to award the Expo to Milan, but I am certainly dissapointed. This would have created alot of new infrastructure to Izmir for the next 7 years.

Thread: USA PRESIDENCY CANDIDATE. - McCain

255.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:13 am Quoting Elisabeth: I must have missed it....but I am so confused about who to vote for...all my favorites are gone and the Texas primaries are Tuesday! I guess I will get out the old dart board...and just hope for the best! I think that all 3 candidates left will be much better at crossing party lines to do the right thing. McCain certainly has and he has a long history of doing it. I know who I will be voting for but any of the 3 are a much better step back into the World Community for the US.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

256.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2008 Tue 04:09 am Even moderators can disagree. I have discussed this thread with other moderators, so I know there are at least 3 of us agree that the comments by Tea were taken as disrespectful. Power trip by the way? Hardly. I have never even considered deleting or closing a thread. My comments were as much as a user than as a mod. But so you know, I would be just as happy at TC to not be a moderator as I am being one. Catwoman knows that at any moment if she feels I am not an appropriate moderator, I will step aside, no questions asked. Coming in, I know who my detractors are (I can count them on on one hand), so the hostility does not surprise me, much less bother me. Find me another thread where a 3rd party jumps in and is only there to insult and not add anything to the discussion and I will tell them as well it is inappropriate.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

257.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 11:56 pm Quoting thehandsom: This is a ball; this is a context is; this is islamand close your eyes and support everybody who says 'eshedu enla'; I love google; have a look at this book and learn 'being a moderator for dummies'; This is a web site. We want to learn Turkish Very clever post Handsom...2 thumbs up...

Thread: politics and religion on this site

258.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 11:55 pm Quoting thehandsom: I dont think this thread should be locked at all.. I don't think it will be locked. The message that is trying to be conveyed is that pointless, personal attacks are not appreciated. There is still plenty of latitude to have fun here. But if fun for some is limited to abusing other members, then it will not continue to be fun for those members that practice this.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

259.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 09:49 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: This is where it starts. This thread had been moving along without Teaschip's involvement. Her first post into this thread had nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Her only intent was to jump in and say something negative about Alameda. This is rude and childish behavior. Wow!! You are unbelievable! Are you gonna call out every single person that posts an unrelated comment on a thread here on TC or is it just gonna be teas? I guess your list would have to include everyone on this site, including you, so that's probably just too much work for you!! I was the second moderator who posted here to stop. Then, I was asked to explain my actions and I did. And if I see other people jumping into a thread, without the intent to add to discussion, only to attack someone, I will do it again. This isn't about changing a topic in a thread, this was about soley entering a thread to demean someone. No one should do this. This thread was ponted out to me in a PM by a member. I did not respond until I felt DK's request was ignored.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

260.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 06:55 pm Quoting teaschip1: Why post your opinion alameda if you have little interest in this topic? Doesn't make sense, unless you wanted to get a reaction. But on second thought you stated you didn't care to participate in debating. For the record, I have taken away more from this site from other classmates regarding various religions & politics than reading a link or googleing. This is where it starts. This thread had been moving along without Teaschip's involvement. Her first post into this thread had nothing to do with the topic being discussed. Her only intent was to jump in and say something negative about Alameda. This is rude and childish behavior.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

261.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 05:45 pm Quoting karpusqueen: There is absolutely no problem in posting links in order to inform others. It can save a great deal of time in a debate because it negates the need to back up a point 2 or 3 posts later. I don't think people who post links are patronizing those involved in the debate and in fact other members may find the links useful/informative. Lighten up everyone and stop using this issue as a stick to beat someone with. I'm sure the site advises that links be posted when appropriate anyway. I have re-read this post multiple times. GG (and anyone else), find me where this thread is anyway rude. Unlike many posts here that just insert a sarcastic comment, this post actually makes a point. And the lighten up sentence, this was her way of saying play nice. This offends you? I'm sorry but I can't help you...

Thread: politics and religion on this site

262.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 05:41 pm I'm going to make this simple. I think that some of you here enjoy having fun at the expense of others. If I see posts like this, I may choose to comment. Deli stepped in before I did and said to stop. And then when it continued, I also commented. Teaschip, you have free-speech. I don't expect you to agree with me on most political subjects. This does not bother me. Feel free to post as you wish...

Thread: politics and religion on this site

263.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 04:53 pm Quoting teaschip1: It certainly is GG..it seems to be a continual problem with Keith..double standards. He can attack Israel, but anyone defends Palestein...we are anti-islam and anti-turkish.. If someone tells us to lighten up on Alameda and we clearly have not be critical on this post..but defend ourselves we are being rude... I really hold little value or respect for such a mod...no kudos here. Your sentence isn't exactly clear but I think I get your meaning. You can say anything you want about Palestine. And I am free to defend them. Simple...

Thread: politics and religion on this site

264.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 04:51 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Cut it out guys.. Is DK also allowing double-standards? Or am I pulling strings?

Thread: Internal flights - Istanbul to Ankara

265.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 05:50 am Quoting SERA_2005: Libralady,don't go by bus if you can help it.There are a number of domestic Turkish Airlines thats you might be able to try to get a cheap flight with.Shop around and i would only go by bus as a last resort,takes about 6 hours from ist to Ank.Goodluck! +1

Thread: politics and religion on this site

266.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Mar 2008 Mon 05:48 am Maybe I have not read enough threads, but from what I see, whenever Alemeda posts something, the same people find a reason to be critical of her and her post. I don't think Peacetrain posting a positive statement about Alemeda deserves the kind of response that you posted Tea. From my chair, very rude....

Thread: Internal flights - Istanbul to Ankara

267.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Mar 2008 Sun 10:34 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Yes, I travelled from Istanbul to İzmir, and it is about the same price I suppose. But I think it is not that bad to go by bus to Ankara from Istanbul, as there is a well constructed highway. For example, you can go Ankara-Istanbul in about 3 hours by car. Whereas Izmir-Istanbul (according to the map not such a big difference in distance), it would take you about 7 hours at least. Bustrips obviously are a bit longer. I believe there to be a train too but I am not sure.. I have to say, I drive fast, and I have never made it from Ist to Ankara in 3 hours. I'd say closer to 4 hours. I hate taking the bus, I suggest finding a cheap flight.

Thread: Internal flights - Istanbul to Ankara

268.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Mar 2008 Sun 10:28 pm Quoting libralady: Does anyone have any experience and cost of flying from Istanbul to Ankara (and return)? Or alternatives ways of travel via these two cities? I think generally its between 100 and 150 lira.

Thread: KADIKÖY ENVIROMENTAL PROTECTION PROJECT

269.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Mar 2008 Sat 10:26 pm Quoting Roswitha: Kadýköy, where one of the first settlement areas in Istanbul is located (Fikirtepe region), is one of the sight seeing areas in Istanbul whose beaches and shores are subject for the songs and films and many poems were written during the history due to its natural beauty. Kuþdili, Haydarpaþa and Yoðurçu Çayýrý, Kalamýþ Moda and Fenerbahçe shore are the major sightseeing areas reflecting the beauty of Kadýköy. Kadýköy basin having 68 creeks such as Tugay, Kör, Esenyurt, Kurbaðlýdere, Küçükyalý, Ýdealtepe, Çamaþýrcý, Turþucu and Seyit Ahmet, has started to loose its beauty due to the ignored investments for very long years and unplanned restructuring. http://www.iski.gov.tr/en-US/arasayfalar.php?kadikoy_ckp I have to say, I love the way they have improved the waterfront area in Kadikoy the last few years. Hopefully the government can start dealing with the dirty water ways that flow into the Marmara.

Thread: politics and religion on this site

270.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Mar 2008 Fri 08:21 pm I think its been agreed and widely understood that this place would get pretty stale without talking current events and politics. Sharing views and ideas is the road to mutual understanding. As far as those that go to far, "flamers" are dealt with properly and quickly.

Thread: Help Please...

271.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Mar 2008 Fri 02:55 am Quoting sonunda: Would a female dudu be a duda and do they exist? Not referring to Gemz friend-just a question. Yes....they exist... You can find them in Taksim every weekend.

Thread: Help Please...

272.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Mar 2008 Thu 09:31 pm I too have transfered money to Turkey often from the US. It is an easy process. By the way, how did this not escalate into a dudu thread? Elizabeth is correct. TC is kinder and gentler...

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

273.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Mar 2008 Sun 06:45 am Turkish democracy is no different than any other democracy as it starts. You think the US didnt have its share of people that wanted to revert back to English rule? Not just the US. Stable democracy takes time and yes, they all have needed the military to step in and perform necessary actions for the long-term vision of the country. You have already indited the CIA, so yes, America has its own version of deep state. Welcome!!!

Thread: happyyyyy bd Genia:)

274.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 10:02 pm Happy Bithday!!!! Have a great weekend!!!

Thread: Beautiful Islam

275.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 09:32 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: I am one of them...(hypocrites) :-S aren't we all?

Thread: Beautiful Islam

276.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:59 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting libralady: Having meet people from all walks of life, I can say that I have met more religous hypocrits than non-religous. +1000000000000000 Very true! I am one of them...(hypocrites)

Thread: Elisa Lessons

277.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:45 pm I'm sure it was not intentional by admin then. probably a result of deleting their account. (Automatic) maybe it can be restored.

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

278.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:31 pm If you want to use the words fascism...OK. Turkey's democracy is not as strong as it needs to be now. And it was even weaker then. So yes. The army needed to protect the republic from its enemies as outlined in the Constitution.

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

279.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:28 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: I understand perfectly what transpired in the '70's. I also understand that every nation where communism has been "ushered in" as a government, they have had their own "purges". The loss of life is regretable. As I said, blood spillage was necessary to keep them out. I do not support any assassinations that may have occurred recently and hope that progress in turkey can be made peacefully. That said, Turkey needs the PKK defeated, the communists with no voice and the government secular. Ahhh.. So you are saying that all we needed was a deep state to protect us from the evils..yes? Why do we have a parliment then? why do we go to elections? How is all this fit into democracy? You are speaking from the mouth of Henry Kissinger up there. What you are saying and supporting is pure fashism!!

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

280.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 08:03 pm I understand perfectly what transpired in the '70's. I also understand that every nation where communism has been "ushered in" as a government, they have had their own "purges". The loss of life is regretable. As I said, blood spillage was necessary to keep them out. I do not support any assassinations that may have occurred recently and hope that progress in turkey can be made peacefully. That said, Turkey needs the PKK defeated, the communists with no voice and the government secular.

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

281.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 07:45 pm We can disagree of course. The daily violence and murders on the streets of Istanbul during th 70's, the military had to step in. I don't support the communists in any way what so ever, even if it means losing blood to keep them out of power. I do not support the murder of Hrant Dink or any intellectuals. And if there is a deep state still to this day in Turkey, I don't think it is necessary. But I do support the military if the AK Parti tries to make Turkey less secular.

Thread: Elisa Lessons

282.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 07:12 pm this is very sad...

Thread: Leaving

283.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 07:10 pm It has been said over and over. Debating over the condition of the site is getting tiresome. But all who questioned the atmosphere of the site, please note than when we see educational contributors quitting the site and removing their lessons, this is the most damning evidence of all. This site was designed to help teach turkish to english speakers. Losing these types of resources is just sad...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

284.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 07:06 pm Quoting thehandsom: Does anybody know for sure how old she was when the marriage was consummated? This site discusses the subject in depth. http://www.iiie.net/node/58

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

285.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Mar 2008 Sat 07:03 pm Quoting thehandsom: According to some sources, there are 16.000 unsolved murder cases in turkey and 60 billion dollars worth of guns and drugs money yearly. There are huge number of people, either elected or appointed, who get their wealth from the state. What is not know is that how that wealth (plus the guns and drug money) is being distributed amongs those people. It seems to me that the latest incidents, the court case against AKP and the case so called 'ergenekon', are very much related to the sentence I mentioned above. AKP and islamists are, somehow, trying to say that the court case against them is the result of them going at 'deep state'. A 'brief explanation' is necessary here I think what 'deep state' in Turkey is: I think, in 1950, all Nato countries had a secret organisation in their own countries. (Gladio in Italy, counter-guerilla in Turkey etc) And it is also important to mention that some of the fundings for these organisations came from the CIA (at some stage the entire cost was taken care by the CIA in Turkey!!) The main purpose of these secret orgnizations were to orgonise the resistance in the case of a communist invation (or stop communists taking the power). Although those groups were disbanded in western countries (I think in 70s and 80s), but It never happened inTurkey. And this organisation is deeply burried between MIT (Turkish intelligence) and the army. And ultra nationalist party, MHP, has also deeply involved since 1960s. Most of the political assasinations, carried out by right wing/ultra nationalist thugs, have been the work of this organisation. And, they were the great contibuters for preparing the ground for , almost, all army interventions in Turkish politics. Anyway.. Basically, the moral of the story is the deep state in Turkey is the Army itself!! But, it looks like, the fight about controlling the state has gathered momentum: akp vs old ruling class and the deep state(the army). Can/should in it be considered as a fight between democracy and the old ruling class? I doubt it personally. It seems to me it is the fight for their shares from the state. But, I really want the deep state lose this time and be burried into history. This is one of the most intelligent posts you have ever contributed. I wish to see more like this! I agree with almost everything you say. Turkey is still a fragile democracy as democracies go. I totally support and understand the need of "deep state" during the "left-right" struggles within Turkey. A communist government would have set back Turkey 100 years. And now, the threat is an government that is too Islamic. I completely support religion, but not mixed with government. It is important to keep Turkey secular. At some point in time, the armies Kemalist agenda will not be as necessary, but Turkey is not there yet. Another 20 to 30 years of progress, and Turkey will be completely parallel with other European nations. Insallah...

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

286.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 08:12 pm Supposedly, this group's underground action was to lead to a military coup in 2009. Adam25 liked this message

Thread: Revenge of islamists!!

287.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 08:11 pm This is all part of "Deep State" I'm surprised this topic never gets much interest here. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/8510435.asp?gid=231&sz=44279 Adam25 liked this message

Thread: Leaving

288.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 05:47 pm Quoting Mickan: Well I think I should have added that I can not post as I wish according to the new rules, even to old ones And as long as I can not talk as a "free thinker" why should I stay here??? I am not asking people here to be sad for my leaving I am not a shining star, at the same time I don not want anyone to criticize me about this leaving because I am a free thinker. Wish you the best I just wish to see my account deleted in the nearest time Post as you wish. As long as posts are not of an attacking nature, threads will not get deleted. We look forward to hearing from you Mickan.

Thread: Crusifixiction re-enactment

289.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:49 pm This is just ridiculous.... go to picture #4 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7308264.stm

Thread: What do you drink and how much?

290.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:34 pm Beer and scotch, both in moderation.

Thread: NEW TLC POLL

291.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:33 pm Someone had asked the legitimacy of those pictures. I actually ran across them on BBC. Both pictures are from Baghdad, post Saddam time-frame.

Thread: What is your mood today?

292.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:32 pm Its Good Friday. So in a good mood.

Thread: what caught my eye today

293.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Mar 2008 Fri 03:30 pm my driveway this morning... 20 cm of new snow overnight and more coming.

Thread: Beautiful Islam

294.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Mar 2008 Thu 09:11 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Seems a little like propaganda. To anyone that reads this post, please know my intent. I am a lifelong Roman Catholic. I believe most of what my religion teches me, but not all of it. I think that all good people will arrive in heaven with their God no matter what your religion. I posted this link as an olive branch to our muslim friends at this site to show that we are not against Islam and hope this very small jesture will make them rethink their decision and stay with us.

Thread: Beautiful Islam

295.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Mar 2008 Thu 08:42 pm I think all religions start out good and with the best intent. It is people that manipulate religion to their advantage that bring unethical practices. I posted this not to debate Islam, but only to show the base belief of the religion for the curious.

Thread: Beautiful Islam

296.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Mar 2008 Thu 08:16 pm I think this is a great website where non-muslims can get a basic understanding of the religion. Enjoy... http://www.beautifulislam.net/

Thread: Guys let's give it a break,shall we ?!

297.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Mar 2008 Thu 06:00 pm Well said.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

298.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:22 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting xkirstyx: Some people just like to provoke people to get reactions. They like to belittle what others have or are or believe in to make themselves feel better. There is a BIG difference between the people who are using the site and ALSO have discussions with different views regarding religion and politics etc. and the people who have come on with ONLY the intention to provoke with no genuine interest in Turkey at all. It's very chidish. Quoting KeithL: 100% right Kirsty and those are the types of threads that will get locked in a heart beat... I wonder what that means really.... I wonder how it will be proven that a post is 'JUST TO PROVOKE PEOPLE' and then get locked in a HEARTH BEAT? I would like to see that really... Hansome. I am only 1 mod. And I don't have any forbidden topics. I am only asking for people to be respectful. I cannot make it any clearer..

Thread: TLC Website Poll

299.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:15 pm Even Alpha, I defend his right to post his occasional anti-US threads. But its any personal attack that accompany's the message that should not be allowed.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

300.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:10 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: 100% right Kirsty and those are the types of threads that will get locked in a heart beat... So when can we expect to see this thread locked.... http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_28715 I absulately agree with GG here.. Why did you block alpha's thread about israel and palestine and why are you allowing the above thread? is above very much related to Turkey? you may make mistakes as mods/admins.. it does not matter really.. everybody will understand that. But when you are NOT JUST you will find it difficult to explain.. And this is absolutely my point all along too..

Thread: TLC Website Poll

301.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 11:09 pm Quoting libralady: Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive. Ok, I see your point Keith, but I don't understand how you decided that the purpose of posting those threads was to show negative sides of Islam? To me they looked like news announcements. They were news announcements but the posts that followed became inflammatory and indeed were insulting to some. But this happened, what about a year ago? Hopefully all discussions in the future will be just that. Thats my point LL. Its not the original post thats always so bad, its the direction they go. As mods, we need to control the intended offensiveness of posts, not the content.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

302.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:54 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: This is the core of the issue. We agree that especially the Taliban terrorizing women in Afghan is wrong. There really isn't much to discuss. But, what is the purpose of the thread? The purpose of the thread is the same as the purpose of a positive news - information. This is not an islamic web site, therefore we will not censor only positive news about Islam, if Islam is an allowed topic. I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive. This is my comparison about "sacred cows" on the site. If threads about islam in other countries is allowed, than so should threads about the US. Respect, but no censorship...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

303.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:44 pm This is the core of the issue. We agree that especially the Taliban terrorizing women in Afghan is wrong. There really isn't much to discuss. But, what is the purpose of the thread?

Thread: TC Suggestions

304.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 10:29 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: Quoting Elisabeth: Can we have a "Grievance Forum"? This would be the only place where people will be able to whine about Admin/mods/other classmates.... No Then can we put a cap on how much people are allowed to whine?? You've reached your limit now..... Next

Thread: TC Suggestions

305.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 09:03 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Can we have a "Grievance Forum"? This would be the only place where people will be able to whine about Admin/mods/other classmates.... No

Thread: TLC Website Poll

306.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 09:00 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: who did I villify? Oh, I think Girleegirl is talking about your statements that this site is anti-Turkish and anti-Islam, but never showed any proof... I didn't think it was necessary to back track but if a few of you do not see my point, I will outline three instances. I do this from memory, I don't even need to search for the details. thread 1, the afgan islam thread that is still going on started by aenigma. thread 2, the muslim in the british police thread thread 3, the muslim girl in Canada that was banned from a soccer tournament because she covers. These 3 threads all share a common theme. They were posted to show the "backward image" of islam. They were not there to educate, inform or provoke thought. Why do some people feel the need to find articles on the web that portray islam and islamic people in a bad way, and feel the need to post it here? Turkey is a 99.9% muslim country. If we were in the home of a turkish family, would it be kind to bring up this kind of discussion? Or would it be considered rude? This is my point. I think a good rule of thumb is to not start a thread that you would feel uncomfortable discussing at the home of a traditional turkish family. Treat this site like someone's home where we are guests. And that means show respect.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

307.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 08:49 pm Quoting girleegirl: However, he has continued to make things personal against me because I posted his own comments. I think this is just bull. My issues with the site, I made very clear and very direct. Girleegirl, you were not in my sites at all. You are the one who chose to attack me in the forums for my opinions. This was your choice to enter the fray. You think I owe you an apology for defending myself to you?

Thread: TLC Website Poll

308.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:35 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: If you want me to show proof publically, I can. Easily. I think its a bad idea. Other than Girlee I dont see any resentment or residual hostility from last week. I think some people, including me, feel hurt by the accusations of being anti-Turkish and anti-Islam. I think we at least deserve an apology and we would expect the other side to also take responsibility for their share of accusations and insults. And I did apologize to you directly. More than once. I am a resonable human being.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

309.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:32 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: who did I villify? Oh, I think Girleegirl is talking about your statements that this site is anti-Turkish and anti-Islam, but never showed any proof... If you want me to show proof publically, I can. Easily. I think its a bad idea. Other than Girlee I dont see any resentment or residual hostility from last week.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

310.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:30 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: who did I villify? Don't play games keith. You know what you have done. You caused a stir which got you what you wanted but you don't have the tools to back up your statements. I did get what I wanted. A little more respect and understanding at the site. Becoming a mod was never in my thoughts. Not even close.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

311.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:26 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: Changes were made. There is no onus for anything anymore... I could not disagree more. You publicly vilified people and don't think that you have to prove what you stated?? That is unconscionable! Who did I villify? Catwoman and I took things too public with each other. We have obviously moved passed it and its done. You should move on too... And like someone told me about Roswitha...I don't think catwoman needs anyone fighting her battles...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

312.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:22 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: 100% right Kirsty and those are the types of threads that will get locked in a heart beat... So when can we expect to see this thread locked.... http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_28715 it was discussed actually. it was not posted intending to disrespect anyone. The thread has stayed reasonable so there is no need to lock it at thias point.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

313.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:20 pm Quoting girleegirl: I believe the onus is on those who very publicly made those accusations to back up their statements just as publicly. Changes were made. There is no onus for anything anymore...

Thread: I like America

314.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:19 pm what does "off-topic" mean? bilmiyorum...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

315.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 04:05 pm 100% right Kirsty and those are the types of threads that will get locked in a heart beat...

Thread: I like America

316.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 03:57 pm I know. But they have denied freedom to Northern Cyprus so long, so its just ironic.

Thread: I like America

317.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 03:36 pm Cyprus is on that list? I find that very funny.

Thread: I like America

318.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 03:34 pm I love America too. I was very proud the day I became a naturalized citizen. And when I am abroad, very seldom will you hear me criticize America. My too biggest problems with America at the moment is its foreign policy which I hope will change next January. And the other is the attitude of some Americans who continue to think the world should revolve around North America. This selfish and ignorant attitude is part of the reason that America finds itself in the position its in now.

Thread: Islamic Iran - What is the general feeling toward America today in Europe and the Middle East

319.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 03:25 pm Forbidding topics isn't really the goal of the site. It is a result of discussions becoming really out of hand (and I take my share of the blame). Things have cooled off in the last few days so things for now are moving in the right direction. I think Catwoman did a good job selecting mods with different perspectives so that the site oversight will not look too one-sided. I hope we can try to move forward now and have intelligent discussions on just about any topic. Janissary, most of us here know the negatives about America. Far worse things have been said about the US than Turkey in these forums over the years. So I'm not sure what your excited about? And english has to be the language of correspondence here as this is a turkish learning site, not "turkish language site". Everyone here is here because of there affection for Turkey. So for now, put your suspicions away until you see something that is offensive...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

320.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 03:52 am Vineyards looks like a white Michael Jordan actually...

Thread: TLC Website Poll

321.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Mar 2008 Wed 12:04 am And it was your opinion that there was not anti-islamic comments on the site. Obviously, others feel like comments have crossed the line. Everyone has their individual threshold of tolerence for sensitive subjects. I dont even know what you are going on about anymore. This isn't even about a specific point anymore...

Thread: BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!!

322.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Mar 2008 Tue 09:23 pm if you look at the front forum page, it lists who is mod for each category.

Thread: TC Suggestions

323.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Mar 2008 Tue 04:45 am I think we should let it go. I pulled out a harmless old thread today in which Aenigma declares it an anti-islam thread. It obviously took the wrong turn as we can see from the activity had today. We all know the threads that come close to the line in the middle of the road. Two people can look at this line from each side facing each other and see a completely different perspective (and still both be right). We are all going to choose which view we want to see.

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

324.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Mar 2008 Tue 04:34 am Quoting Roswitha: Try to move on, try not do dwell forever on this subject -let Adonis finally rest in peace. No one here is perfect!!!!! except keithl...

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

325.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 11:37 pm We can find worse cases here. If you find the example between Catwoman and Ciko to be offenseive and disrespectful, I think your not reading the threads in the right context. I purposely added to this thread today because i thought it was an example of differing views that stayed non-confrontational.

Thread: TC Suggestions

326.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 11:24 pm Quoting Elisabeth: We need an Arguement Forum or Thread!! My PM Box is empty if you are bored Elizabeth...

Thread: USA National Trauma

327.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 08:21 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: I have been listening to US financial reports all morning. It is very serious. I will have to come out of my early retirement and go back to work!!! My 401K is already taking a beating! So much for early retirement.....I guess we could always move to Turkey!! istanbul is not cheap anymore. Too late!!!

Thread: USA National Trauma

328.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 07:53 pm I have been listening to US financial reports all morning. It is very serious. I will have to come out of my early retirement and go back to work!!!

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

329.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 07:51 pm Quoting incişka: Quoting KeithL: I recently read a book that made it sound as if the islam religion was made for arabs. In the book, Muhammed was quoted as saying that the Jews had their book, the Christians had their book and this was book was for the Arabs. what book is that? and who is the author? I will find it for you. It was a flattering book on Islam by the way.

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

330.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 07:44 pm Quoting AlphaF: However the book itself says Islam is a universal religion, not meant exclusively for Arabs.. What we should go by is the Quran itself, and our own understanding of it....Not by what Arabs, or others, tell us. I recently read a book that made it sound as if the islam religion was made for arabs. In the book, Muhammed was quoted as saying that the Jews had their book, the Christians had their book and this was book was for the Arabs.

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

331.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 04:36 pm Please read the next post, Post 47. I was absolutely kidding trying to lighten the whole anti-islam theme. Yes. Very horrible no matter how you look at religion.

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

332.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 06:07 am before the hate mail comes, I am kidding of course. Similar type of control has also been used in Christian churches as well to keep women out of power. If the Catholic church allowed women priests, we would not have the sex scandal problems that we have seen the last decade. Am I breaking new forum rules already by the way? Technically, this is an old thread.

Thread: Is there no end to this madness?

333.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 06:04 am Quoting AEnigma III: An Afghan journalist has been sentenced to death for downloading...guess what? Pornography? Child porn? Anti-muslim material? NO NO! For downloading material about women's rights in an Islamic society. THIS is the lengths some men will go to to keep their power. Women who say there are no women's rights issues that affect them, indirectly support it. Please note that this is also the regime that the US/UK are supporting. They should get the hell out of there.... EDIT: I made a mistake of course in the above. The downloaded material IS anti-islam because it is about women's rights and therefore is considered blasphemy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7204341.stm Here is the anti-islam thread that has been keeping us all up at night. Easier to find than WMD in Irak.

Thread: Bozaci

334.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Mar 2008 Mon 05:34 am Quoting Roswitha: and Kataifi In old times, altough boza was prepared at homes as well, it is traditionally sold by the street traders, so called "bozaci", in Turkey. On cold winter nights, the bozaci wanders in the streets of cities and sells boza. Hearing the voice of a bozaci from the street is another sign for everyone that it is winter time. It is a treat for all to buy some chilled boza from a street trader at night after dinner and enjoy this sour and sweet, highly nutritious yet delicious drink in the comfort of a warm house. Kataifi (kadayıf in Turkish) is a very common dessert in the Middle East. Here I am using the word for the kataifi dough, which is also known as shredded dough. Long, very thin strands of dough, that is. And this is new to me: http://www.yogurtland.com/2006/06/21/purslane-salad/#comment-18747 http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Market/8395/akman.htm I actually don't like this drink. They do still sell it on the street in my neighborhood out of cart. He has a jug and pours it in a cup.

Thread: Response to GG

335.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Mar 2008 Sat 12:27 pm I don't want to waste space in a perfectly good thread to respond to you and lead the (good thread) astray.... Did I miss the part where I criticized you? Three days ago you were sending me PM's asking about my surgery recovery on my arm and now you are attacking me in the forums. Not upsetting really, but confusing. Did I cry that people were not treating me nice or not being polite to me? No. I did not like being selectively censored. You act as if "your team" lost. Get over it. I don't mind your selective retrieval of my past posts. Any person I have flamed in this forum was never a first shot to say. Only a response. I would hope actually your personal time included more valuble things than looking through my old posts. Maybe not and if so,I'm sorry to hear that. I actually don't wish ill-will on you or anyone else at this site. But in reading through all my threads, I hope my overall positive contributions to the site far outweighed and negatives you dig up. Keep trying though if you feel the need. And one last thing, just to spell it out from the other night. I am not as American as you nor could I ever be. I was born in then West Germany to West German parents. Meaning I could never be President of the US like you could. I have spent less than half of my life living in the US. I have positive and negative things to say about both countries. But I forget, if I don't like something I should stay quiet and walk away... "picture Keith walking away now for full affect..."

Thread: TC Suggestions

336.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Mar 2008 Sat 03:39 am Quoting teaschip1: So let me get this straight if I feel like this site is against me and unfair.. I should start a topic and poll and put everyone in an uproar for two days. This will lead to results..just want to clarify is this the appropriate steps to take? With no disrespect to any staff members of this site...Yes. One person cannot cause an uproar if there are not others who feel the same way.

Thread: TC Suggestions

337.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Mar 2008 Sat 03:35 am Quoting xkirstyx: For me the main problem is not the difference of opinions. It's through these kind of discussions we can increase our own understanding and knowledge of things. It's what keeps things interesing. The problem is that some people only come on to "warn" people about Turkey. These are the people who insult, then when people are offended, they say they are entitled to their opinion. When it gets to the point that girls were asking for translations and then there were pages of posts of just insulting the girl for being "naive" and her man just being a "dudu". This type of behaviour is unacceptable. This is the reason why lots of people came and didn't want to stay on the site. Why would they? We all know what those tourism guys can be like, doesn't mean we need to insult and be so rude. This site isn't an exclisive club for those who use it daily, and new comers who love Turkey or Turkish guys need to be "warned". New people who come have every right to be here without being insulted or bullied. +1

Thread: TC Suggestions

338.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Mar 2008 Sat 03:34 am Thats why I listed those in a seperate "suggestions" post. Yes, uninforceable. But as a member, why wouldnt you want to try and be more respectful. There are other places for people's negativity release if that is what they come here for.

Thread: Honey, will you marry... Oh. Never mind...

339.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 09:39 pm if he would have bought a heavier ring, a ballon would not have carried it away. More gold and bigger diamonds maybe

Thread: TLC Website Poll

340.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 06:20 pm This poll was started to show that my thoughts are not in the minority. Kudos to Catwoman for listening to members and attempting to make positive changes. Thats all I can ask for.

Thread: TC Suggestions

341.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 06:13 pm Those were my complaints. Now a few suggestions. 1. To those of you who's battlecry is, "like it or leave it", stop. This only means you don't have an intelligent comment to add. 2. Respect. It has plummetted in the last year. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Name-calling should not be tolerated. Being an admin is difficult and they cannot be here all the time. It is the job of all members to occasionally let someone know when they are out of line. 3. Quit asking Roswitha to footnote and give credit to her posts. This is not a university thesis. 4. Those of us who have spent many years in Turkey know it has problems. We see them everyday. If you want to address an issue with Turkey, try it first with a dustmop rather than a sledgehammer. 5. Evaluate why you are here. Honestly, if your reasons to be here are not to learn turkish, learn about Turkey or promote Turkey, then why are you here? If it is to detract or ridicule the people who are here for those purposes, then your intentions are not honorable or appreciated.

Thread: TC Suggestions

342.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 06:00 pm I only have a few. My biggest problem with TC is selective censorship. If there is a daily limit on number of posts, total byte submission, size of pictures, etc, it should be made clear to everyone and enforced equally. This would be better then the monthly PM from a site represenative giving the list of complaints and asking that person to reduce the amount they post. I hate the word Zionism but this site has been a classic example of it. As much as Turkey and Islam get insulted and ridiculed at this site, say one word about how the Israelis are dealing with Palestine and you are immediately shut down. In the last weeks, not once did I bring up the topic of israel out of nowhere. It was in response to the misinformation being said about the events in Gaza. It seems most people at this site do not favor the muslim Palestinians. I see blame enough to go around and post the past historical events so that this issue can be more understood. The people who I disagree with can post all they want. I post once and get threatened by the site owner. This is my main issue. Selective censorship.

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

343.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 05:47 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Keith, can you send me a list of complaints or things you'd like to see changed. If you wish, send me examples of things you find unacceptable. Actually Id like everyone to do so. Thank you. I will have that for you Deli...

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

344.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 06:02 am Quoting girleegirl: I doubt you know anything about me keith. We all know you lived in Turkey and you love the country. It doesn’t make you Turkish and it doesn’t make your views on Turkey the definitive views. I lived in Iran, I love that country and it’s people, that doesn’t make me the expert or mean that I agree with it’s government’s policies. And before I get nailed for that, NO, I am not comparing Turkey to Iran in it’s practices. But just because I am an American, doesn’t mean I don’t know about the world and doesn’t mean I should not be allowed to vocalize my point of view. And it certainly doesn’t mean I agree with MY governments policies either. and you know nothing about me. my pass is reisepass. german red. not turkish red...

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

345.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 05:48 am Quoting girleegirl: You are just as American as I am. I didn't know you had a red passport too...

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

346.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 05:09 am OK GG...I wish you well also... People have voted with their comments in all of these threads. Read the threads and do the math again... There are a fair amount who agree with me. This sounds like a typical american response I have to say. If you don't like it, leave. Well, maybe some of us will. Maybe some see something that is fixable. My time is coming I know. By force or by choice, either way will be fine. But not silently...

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

347.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 04:48 am The easy solution is to bring additional turkish persons who care about this site to be moderators. Then, at least there will be balance among the "persons with admin access". As of now, most of your turkish members who read the forums are embarassed and offended of the conduct. And there are many others of us who are foreigners who love Turkey that are also embarassed of the conduct.

Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

348.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2008 Fri 03:32 am Quoting admin: Catwoman is not an administrator on the site but she is an important part of it. We need to make the rules more clear and apply them properly, or disagreements like this can happen. It looks like the main problem with your posts was consistently posting about certain political topics that are not related to the site. We will revise the site rules, include such cases and enforce them better. This comment is ridiculous and a copout!! Important part of it??? Catwoman owns this site!!! This is like talking about the owner of a company and saying, oh, but he is not the manager. Catwoman decides who is admin. Catwoman has the same access that admins have. Don't patronize your intelligent members...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

349.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:57 pm Quoting Roswitha: Catwoman never disclosed to me the names of the persons who pmed her about this issue,Keith. I'm not saying who the members were. I am only saying it was catwomans selective enforcement. The message to Roswitha was handed down from one person.

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

350.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:55 pm and which is the greater insult? Being called bored or an anti-semite???

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

351.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:55 pm Whats the mystery here? catwoman admitted sending the PM's to Roswitha. Her reasoning for sending them was complaints from other members. This is all in the open.

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

352.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:42 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: admin's request to roswitha.. No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that? This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful... I am not an admin, when you say "admin", that means the actual admin. I would call that splitting hairs. Owner with admin priveleges...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

353.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:38 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: admin's request to roswitha.. No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that? This post was untrue. You were the one to send roswitha PM's telling here what she could and could not do. In a black and white world, this was not truthful...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

354.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:35 pm If calling a woman bored is sexist, then I need new sensitivity training. Equal treatment and equal enforcemnet of site rules. That is my only point...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

355.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:26 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: great idea!!!! we could have kept this civil then... See, if only you had asked me how to solve this problem from the very beginning, I would have told you and saved you some sleepless nights. That and if I had the same opportunity to share my points of view without immediate censorship. It appears my causes are against TC sacred cows. The gay Attaturk, evil islam threads go on for pages and pages. I provide an accurate link on the killings in Palestine to force out British rule and I get warned after 1 posting. So as much as you complain about free press in Turkey, there appears little on American made TC website too.

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

356.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:17 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin... Should I send my pm's to Roswitha through you from now on? Are you her knight? I believe Roswitha can make her own decisions and speak up for herself when she has a problem. We don't need some overzealous old men to speak for her. great idea!!!! we could have kept this civil then...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

357.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:16 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting KeithL: Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with. Enjoy all!!! Oh Keith that is such an "adonis" comment! Lets not pretend....This is Catwoman's site. No one else. She is free to uses it and abuse it any way she likes. If the site were ran by a man, my decription would be that of a man... My only adjective was bored. Hardly sexist.

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

358.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:14 pm Quoting catwoman: Everybody but Roswitha complain about "how she's treated" here! If these things were not true, I would not say them. Roswitha is my friend and she is the last person here who should be annoyed by frequent "suggestions" from our friendly admin...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

359.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:09 pm There was a time when this site was run by people who were truly interested in positive culture exchange. Now, its just a playtoy for a bored housewoman who enjoys using the site to further her political agenda while she ridicules those she disagrees with. Enjoy all!!!

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

360.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2008 Thu 03:06 pm Quoting azade: Some are getting on Roswitha's case constantly, thats all Im saying, and she's not even breaking any rules as opposed to the vast majority (including myself). Thats the only point I'm trying to point out. Since Catwoman was the one to listen to all the other members complain about Roswitha all day, she made the decision to notify Roswitha to limit her daily osts, limit her length of posts, limit her cartoons. The pressure must have been overwhelming for her to come to the conclusion that Roswitha must be stopped, otherwise, she could have just ignored the few messages she got...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

361.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:54 pm I'll agree with both of you here. But, I make one post that correlates to current events, and I am accused of inciting anti-semitism and I was also warned/threatened by Catwoman. Enjoy your free speech. But I am not free to enjoy mine. So our worlds problem now are also TC problems. I don't apologize... Are you kidding???

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

362.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:21 pm There are double standards at TC. I don't say this with any malice. Its a simple truth. I'm not going to be bothered by in it anymore. I love Turkey its language its people my best friends in the world are muslim even though I am a Christian. I respect their religion and practices, they respect mine. I am done seeing the anti-islam club, anti-turk club have their fun everyday. Its just not right or healthy. If you want to make members respect the rules of this site, than please. Enforce them. All of them. For everybody. Not just the ones you disagree with. Or from the people you don't like. Otherwise, revise you rules of the site and then your admin enforcement can at least be seen as honest and open.

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

363.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2008 Wed 08:01 pm Bullying is my adjective, not Roswitha's. I apologize to Roswitha if this has upset her. Take out the word bullying and I still stand by the rest...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

364.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2008 Wed 06:57 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: admin's request to roswitha.. No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that? So many lies Catwoman, I have to say. You constantly bully Roswitha. You should be ashamed of yourself. And your biggest lie was posting to all that you were no longer admin because of your numerous violations of the websites rules as an admin. Open discussion and debate is fine. Censorship is not.

Thread: Israeli Irgun

365.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2008 Wed 03:44 pm Interesting that talking about Armenian Genocide is acceptable. Attacking Attaturk is acceptable. Palestinian terrorism is acceptable. Attacking Islam is acceptable. But talking about Israeli terrorism is not. I write one line with a link showing the deaths by terror in Palestine and I am threatened. Thank you for making my point...

Thread: Israeli Irgun

366.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 09:10 pm What is happening in Palestine today is not much different than what the Jews (there were no Israeli's) carried out to terrprize the Brithish in the 40's. The cycle is only continuing... List of Irgun attacks

Thread: what caught my eye today

367.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:55 pm thank you tea.... please note however, this poll is over 5 years old. At that time, it was the height of Israel's internationally recognized illegal property seizures and settlements. Since that time, many of these settlements were forfeited due to international pressure. I would hope that no one on anyside whould take pleasure in the death of a child.

Thread: what caught my eye today

368.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:43 pm Quoting teaschip1: The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist. The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings. Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11. The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%. I don't doubt most of these, but I would like to see where you got your facts for killing Jewish children...

Thread: what caught my eye today

369.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 07:42 pm Quoting teaschip1: The majority of Palestinians 70% support suicide bombings The majority of Palestinians support the killing of Jewish civilians, including Jewish children The majority of Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist. The majority of Palestinians support the Sept 11th killings. Palestinians dance in the streets on 9/11. The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent, which looks to be roughly 30%. Also. The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants supported suicide bombings. The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants did not recognize Nazi germany's right to exist. The majority of french resistence and warsaw ghetto occupants support all the acts of violence against german military and citizens during wwii.

Thread: TLC Website Poll

370.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 06:59 pm Yes

Thread: TLC Website Poll

371.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 06:59 pm Please, no explanations at all or long answers, Only a simple yes or no. We don't need this thread to start a debate. I only want to see the groups perception. Has Turkish Language Class become too anti islam and anti turkish?

Thread: what caught my eye today

372.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:45 pm Quoting peace train: No Israel doesn't want peace. Of course they want "piece" a piece of gaza a piece of west bank a piece of jerusalem a piece of sanai...

Thread: Ali Nazik

373.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 05:21 pm I miss talking recipes with Asli...

Thread: What are you listening now?

374.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 04:31 pm Quoting Roswitha: Killing me softly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mpqXu0z3wU&feature=related great song. reminds me of the movie, about a boy

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

375.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 03:15 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: admin's request to roswitha.. No, it was not admin's request to Roswitha. Who told you that? ask roswitha, I don't think Roswitha would lie to me.....

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

376.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 02:57 pm admin's request to roswitha..

Thread: Qur'an Ethics

377.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 02:50 pm The proportion of death and suffering between Israel and palestine is immeasurable. The death ration is over 100:1. I do not support Kosovo by the way.

Thread: Qur'an Ethics

378.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 02:16 pm Quoting Daydreamer: I think there are two sides of every story. If you google "Palestinian Terrorism" you will see many a link as well. I don't think its fair to present Palestinians as those who mainly suffer there. So do Israelis. I don't take sides in this conflict as I find it impossible to solve in a way that the both sides are happy. I just wanted to point out the other side. Well, lets observe the facts. Who is denying food and electricity to over 1 million people? Who is denying medical supplies to over 1 million people? Who has enclosed an entire city much the same as the Warsaw ghettos? Who has been illegally trying to steal more land that doesnt belong to them for over 60 years? Who has more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein ever had? Israel, thats who. Hitler and Nazi germany tried to lable the French resistence terrorists. Should the French just sat back and let their country be taken away? Take away the names and the situation is interchangeable. The only difference is that it only took N. Chamberlain a couple years of being bullied before he grew some balls. The Israelis had good teachers it appears and learned well... Disgusting

Thread: INSTALLING YOUR HUSBAND

379.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 12:39 am Quoting peace train: Dear Tech Support, Your standard of service is lousy. I am running out of patience. Maybe you should take husband 1.0 back to where you got it and try to get a new one...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

380.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Mar 2008 Tue 12:35 am again I ask admin. If you are going to single out Roswitha for cartoons and long posts, I ask you to be consistent and not let any members post cartoons or long posts...

Thread: My 1000th post...

381.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2008 Sun 08:41 pm Quoting MarioninTurkey: Quoting KeithL: I could not let this milestone post be wasted on something simple like letting you all know what color boxers I wore today. Oh, Keith ... go on. Spill all the beans. Colour? stripes or checks? Bought from which Marks & Spencers? Congrats on the 1000 posts! Most of my boxers come from a store in the US called Old Navy. The rest are just the ones I find in the besiktas bizarre. Today? Solid gray...

Thread: My 1000th post...

382.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2008 Sun 09:44 am Quoting Deli_kizin: You sure made me laugh Keith Then I served my purpose...

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

383.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:03 pm and all the other cartoons and pictures that have been posted? Have they also been personally requested to delete them?

Thread: PM Erdoğan: I will quit politics if US pressure confirmed

384.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:37 pm Quoting Roswitha: Erdoğan noted: “Gen. Büyükanıt has said something very significant, and now I also repeat the same [for my own post]. Nobody can accuse us of getting orders from the US or other authorities. If such accusations are proven, I will quit politics. I am making a significant claim.” http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=135895 maybe hang him instead....

Thread: My 1000th post...

385.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 10:47 am What a kind offer from janissary. Any females that need the T-shirt offer, he is offering only the best T-shirt. True turkish hospitality...hoşgeldiniz!

Thread: My 1000th post...

386.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 07:34 am I could not let this milestone post be wasted on something simple like letting you all know what color boxers I wore today. So in line with the current environment of the site, let me be the first to suggest that we rename the TLC website to: "Come bash Turkey and Muslims" or "I got laid by a turkish waiter and all i got was this lousy T-shirt"

Thread: What are you listening now?

387.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 07:28 am I'm so bored with the USA---The Clash I'm so bored with the USA God bless you Joe Strummer Joe was the son of a british diplomat and was born in Ankara. He spent his professional life fighting against rascism, intolerance and imperialism. I wish we had more like him

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

388.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 07:26 am Good that our Christian members here appear to be so open-minded and liberal...

Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

389.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:59 am Quoting catwoman: There is no doubt that sensationalistic media producing for dumb masses is skewing the picture, BUT, alameda, liberal muslims are a rarity and that's not a media truth, that's reality. I am looking around and I don't see many of them. With all the crazy stuff going on in europe and around the world, we should know about those liberals if they were there. But none of them are protesting to all the atrocities commited against humanity that's happening even in their own circles. its like 60's and 70's TV...all the criminals were black and hispanic. All the good guys were white. I have found today's Archie Bunker and he is here at TC carrying a purse...

Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

390.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:57 am Quoting teaschip1: Quote: Would you recognize a rough diamond? Absolutely.. I'm still trying to find a liberal muslim here in Ohio..but no such luck.. What about Dr. Mehmet Oz? Too radical for you?

Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

391.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 06:54 am Quoting catwoman: I love this guy - Ed Husain! I wish all muslims were like him is it acceptable to ask if all blacks could be like Bill Cosby?

Thread: Why are Roswitha's cartoons deleted??

392.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:55 am this site obviously grades on a curve...

Thread: pleaseeeeeee vrrrrrry important !!!!!!!!!

393.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Mar 2008 Fri 08:47 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: Madalinakenan, you are kindly requested not to swear in the forums. Heloooooooo.... Did you just wake up DK???

Thread: Sean Connery playing in Kurdish movie

394.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Mar 2008 Fri 05:13 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quote: Turks are already protesting and banning all Connery and Lauren movies. That's a shame Sean Connery is a great actor... much the way many have protested Mel Gibson for what is seen as his anti-semite views in his latest movies...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

395.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Mar 2008 Thu 12:33 am I still think we need to call the Turkish Animal Humane Society to put an end to what he is doing to those kittens...

Thread: Turkey Takes Two-Pronged Approach to Fighting PKK

396.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:12 pm Quoting Daydreamer: ... After all Turkey let Albanians do the same in Kosovo. They should be consequent and allow the same at home. how did Turkey let Kosovo vote?

Thread: ankara anyone?

397.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2008 Wed 01:00 pm my response was really only a joke, but I completely agree with Sui. If Daydreamer prefers Ankara nightlife to Istanbul nightlife, her boyfriend must have been hiding her from the city...

Thread: ankara anyone?

398.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:53 pm Quoting Daydreamer: I love Ankara way more than Istanbul. Life seems different there, probably because there are fewer tourists Pubs, restaurants and cafes are best there! I'm sure you'll have lots of fun! Next time you are in Istanbul, try leaving the airport!!!

Thread: EURO FOOTBALL

399.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:47 pm sevila did win 3-2, but cumalitive score was tied so it went to penalty kicks where fener won...

Thread: Petition for AenigmaIII not to leave the web site

400.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2008 Wed 12:01 am men not invited?

Thread: Petition for AenigmaIII not to leave the web site

401.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:30 pm sorry, at the hockey rink...very bad reception in here...

Thread: Petition for AenigmaIII not to leave the web site

402.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:19 pm hello? are you driving through a tunnel? I cant hear you...very bad reception...

Thread: Petition for AenigmaIII not to leave the web site

403.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 10:02 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Can't believe you missed her parade, Keith!! Is my phone working??? Hello???

Thread: Getting a men's haircut in Turkey

404.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:45 pm thats too bad...my second home in Turkey. I really enjoy it there.

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

405.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:36 pm

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

406.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:35 pm listening is a skill...

Thread: Petition for AenigmaIII not to leave the web site

407.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:25 pm Femme didnt even stay for a farewell parade. Yes, both will be missed...

Thread: Getting a men's haircut in Turkey

408.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:21 pm if you go to Foça, Ros, great barber there...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

409.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:19 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: if you don't hear Muslims denouncing Al-Queda then you aren't listening hard enough. No, I haven't heard a pouring outcry...sorry. Maybe you have been in Turkey too long. In fairness to you, not many muslim TV stations or newspapers in Ohio...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

410.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:11 pm if you don't hear Muslims denouncing Al-Queda then you aren't listening hard enough.

Thread: The Black Sea Coast

411.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:09 pm Karuso is nice. Fun beach. Not as warm as southern Turkey but still fun.

Thread: Erdogan lambastes Israel

412.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 09:03 pm and I answered both of you in a relevant manner

Thread: Erdogan lambastes Israel

413.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:47 pm Oh Tea.... Can't we stay on one topic without always coming back to insult the Turks in some way? If you would like to start another thread to compare the two, I will be happy to explain. The millions of deaths in eastern turkey was a result of World War I and the Armenians alliance with Russia. I feel genuine sorrow for the Armenains who suffered.

Thread: Erdogan lambastes Israel

414.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 08:28 pm I was careful to say nation as opposed to people. There are Israeli's who agree that the "nation's" genocide of the native Palestinian people is disgusting. Over a half century of illegal and immoral behavior does make it's government disgusting... The same can be said of the Serbian government after Tito. I like the serbian people, but its government policy was immoral...

Thread: Getting a men's haircut in Turkey

415.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 05:31 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quote: They then set fire to this and flick the flames into your ears to burn the hairs. Also any stray hairs on your face. Ouhh.... The fire in the ears was suuprising the first time but it works great. At my barber, I also get a back/shoulder massage and a spine alignment...I come out feeling like a million bucks...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

416.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 05:27 am Quoting alameda: If someone is an agnostic, atheist, free thinker they are welcomed, but if they are Muslim or a traditional Turk, they are belittled and insulted by a group here who are bullies. I'm afraid this is true...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

417.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2008 Tue 12:21 am Quoting DR TREATMENT: Quoting Roswitha: We have three cats I have three legs all short we hear....so sad for you...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

418.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:56 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting alameda: If I may translate what I think is KeithL's issue with this translation; is this the proper content for THIS forum. Are we to become rated R restricted to Adult only? Hey Keith, I didn't know you needed translation from english to english!!! I'm not as smart as I appear....

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

419.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:21 pm Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: good thing I'm not a pervert.... something to say???

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

420.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:18 pm good thing I'm not a pervert....

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

421.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:17 pm Quoting catwoman: does anybody else manage to both ride a bike and chat on TC? what about drinking "real coffee" and chatting on TC at the same time???

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

422.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:16 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: Bye the looks of the Hustler store down the street you are right AND women. do we have an angel here who's there to judge the women who masturbate? do you mean judge like a contest???

Thread: ONE THOUSAND AND ONE WORDS ABOUT TURKISH COFFEE

423.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 08:40 pm what is instant coffee???

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

424.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 08:04 pm Quoting SERA_2005: I agree it is a little bit strange this is the worst i said

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

425.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:30 pm Quoting thehandsom: offf...there is no kitten..it was his hand.. and this still isn't strange? Submitting poems about masturbation? Am I missing something here??

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

426.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:23 pm Quoting adonis: of course this poem is full of obscenity but poems shouldn't be read just like a novel, cuz poems have different meanings, structures and contents.. sexuality is a normal thing.. unrequested at TC? normal??

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

427.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:19 pm Maybe a good poet. Picasso was also a good painter. But it didnt excuse him of his deviant obsessions. I still think its a strange entry to post here at TC. Good luck getting the responses your looking for...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

428.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:12 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: who asked for this translation??? Nobody asked for this Keith.. It is just a poem I tried to translate.. I don't find this offensive but I find it very very strange...

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

429.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:11 pm nice poem??? letting a cat lick your balls??? you have to be kidding me.

Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

430.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:09 pm who asked for this translation???

Thread: Saint Anthony of Padua in İstanbul

431.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Feb 2008 Thu 08:14 pm thats the italian church near galatasaray high school

Thread: Topic suggestions for tc when it gets boring !!

432.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Feb 2008 Wed 06:27 pm Quoting catwoman: any girls suffering from ithyphallophobia (fear of seeing, thinking about or having an erect penis)? -- hmmmm.... maybe because it's ugly? maybe because it's a tool of rape? are you playing for the other team now canim???

Thread: delicious recipts

433.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Feb 2008 Wed 06:16 am all i want is the real recipe for the normal turkish bread found at every bakery....

Thread: KU KLUX KLAN

434.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Feb 2008 Wed 06:10 am Quoting peace train: Quoting AlphaF: KU KLUX CLAN endorses OBAMA http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227 Good Morning Roswitha ! Wakey wakey Alpha ! http://www.hoax-slayer.com/obama-ku-klux-klan.shtml LMAO!!!

Thread: return trip layover Istanbul Airport

435.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Feb 2008 Tue 05:23 am Quoting Leelu: on the return portion of my Turkey trip I will be laid over in Istanbul until the next morning. What hotels are close by that are reasonably priced? having an airport shuttle would be a bonus!! cheapest hotels are in florya...

Thread: Turkish ground troops enter Iraq - latest news

436.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:58 pm I agree with almost everything you say here. But I don't think that relaxing on PKK will make the kurds any less determined for a state of their own. And if Turkey stops its fight against the PKK now, all the thousands of lives lost will be in vain. Its sad, but no country has been created or defended without bloodshed. A grim fact of life...

Thread: Turkish ground troops enter Iraq - latest news

437.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:30 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting SERA_2005: C'mon now thats hardly any one else's fault apart from Mr Bush,you can't blame American's for that and anyway i'm not even sure if Keith is American,i thought you were British Keith?! :-S But, did you know that just before the invasion, I think, 50% of americans believed that 9/11 somehow got to do with Iraq? It is just so laughable ... It is overall border control in the east. You cannot compare America's 9/11 with Turkey's war with the PKK. Are you trying to say that none of the boms in recent years have been set by the PKK. Whats your solution hansom, give away southeastern Turkey? I assumed you were a Turk but I can see I assumed incorrect...

Thread: Turkish ground troops enter Iraq - latest news

438.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Feb 2008 Sun 06:50 am Quoting thehandsom: That is why this stupid war is still going on and we are still losing all those young boys for nothing.. for nothing? Go to the levent metro station and look at the HSBC building and tell me it is for nothing...

Thread: whats the most important common problem of all world for you?

439.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Feb 2008 Thu 04:47 pm greed

Thread: KOSOVA

440.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Feb 2008 Wed 12:23 am I lived in titograd during the early 90's. I also saw what happened by all parties involved. Serbia has been punished enough for their responsibility. Losing Kosovo is going too far. Knowing the partisan serbs and especially the çetnik serbs the way I do, this will never be tolerated long term. The nations that recognize this illegal declaration of independence are only inviting more ethnic violence to the region. Every country of the world has areas of ethnic majority. This is no reason to rewrite borders whenever a minorirt group demands their own country. Examples of course include areas of UK and USA as well.

Thread: Turkish Camel wrestling in Hidirbeyi, Incirliova and Aydin

441.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:14 am Quoting AEnigma III: May women take part? I have a feeling I could beat you Partner Prepare to have your tights torn! turkish female oil wrestling

Thread: What made you smile today :)

442.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 08:34 pm bobaraba....big asses

Thread: What made you smile today :)

443.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 08:30 pm Quoting thehandsom: It shows my bottom too big, which is not the case!! just go with the flow... big bottom craze

Thread: AEnigma...YOUR NUMBER ONE!!

444.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 08:10 pm jealousy is such an ugly thing...

Thread: KOSOVA

445.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 06:12 pm I don't know how turks can support an independent kosovo and cry against an independent kurdistan. I am against creating new nations for both areas by the way.

Thread: sign this petition for Tarkan !

446.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 06:26 am Quoting Roswitha: isn't it fun to be naughty once in a while

Thread: Famous Kurdish singer detained upon entry to Turkey.

447.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Feb 2008 Mon 06:25 am Quoting Roswitha: cancelled as requested with all the garbage that gets posted at this site, i wish "you people" would stop hassling roswitha... roswitha....thank you for not letting them push you away....

Thread: Ataturk's contribution to Hollywood

448.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Feb 2008 Tue 02:06 am Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting KeithL: Gabor was born in 1917 and arrived in Turkey in 1935. She was actually 18 when the affair began... Grrrrrrrrrrrr dont spoil our fun! (PS - Welcome Back ) My mistake....actually, she was 12 now that I look at it....child molester!!!

Thread: Ataturk's contribution to Hollywood

449.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Feb 2008 Tue 01:30 am different times you know, for both men and women. Even in the US then, it was common for women to marry at 15 and 16. Not condoning or judging, just correcting the post...

Thread: Ataturk's contribution to Hollywood

450.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Feb 2008 Tue 01:25 am Quoting teaschip1: So this started her path of destruction...He must have liked them young. A 51 year old man and a 15 year old girl... Today in the U.S. men get convicted of having sex with a minor. Gabor was born in 1917 and arrived in Turkey in 1935. She was actually 18 when the affair began...

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

451.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 10:39 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Grrrrrrrr this site is getting a bit tame! Where is Roswitha with some controversial links for us to discuss!!! I tried with the underground turkish paramilitary group that is trying to overthrow the government. I guess its too true to cause controversy...

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

452.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 09:45 pm Quoting portokal: but what is even more important is what was done for me. just asking what you are expecting done for you

Thread: STATEMENT

453.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 09:43 pm Quoting portokal: As for KeithL, he is bashing women. Not much of credibility, . I assure you portokal that I am not a "woman basher" nor would I ever condone such behavior. Ever. It is good to see you post something from your heart in your "own words and grammar". I don't think you need a "ghost writer" to type your thoughts. You do fine on your own...

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

454.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 09:00 pm done for you?? do you have expectations?

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

455.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 08:56 pm Agreed, no one asked you to leave...

Thread: STATEMENT

456.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 08:41 pm Quoting portokal: Quoting KeithL: Enough with the thread flooding....Please... sure, although it is off topic and it was personal statement. not very supportive keithL. Not trying to make you feel bad. I wish you no ill-will. Just a polite request to not post unrelated nonsense in every single thread.

Thread: STATEMENT

457.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 08:31 pm Enough with the thread flooding....Please...

Thread: Too much caffeine raises risk of miscarriage!

458.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:29 pm Quoting girleegirl: Quoting catwoman: So... risks of getting a tatoo: 1. increased probability of getting harassed by mexican men in turkey 2. infection 3. financial problems 4. risk of having to hide it 10 years later 5. there is a correlation between people who have tattoos and being hit by a meteorite... I have tattoo's and I can confirm that #5 is a real fear for me. I stay indoors as much as possible and when I absolutely have to be outside I wear a helmet! I've heard that people with tatoo's are more likely to have very slow internet service...

Thread: BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!!

459.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:28 pm what is netball???

Thread: Best VW commercial

460.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 06:45 pm Another dead terrorist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfNofxBtfY

Thread: GAZZE - WHAT IS GOING ON ?

461.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 06:43 pm Free Gaza Website http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/01/30/free_gaza

Thread: General Kucuk arrested for murder plot

462.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 06:40 pm Military denies link... http://english.sabah.com.tr/903DFCD7594B40E7B192741FCF47D82F.html

Thread: Russian girls deciphering womanizer Turkish men,be carefull boys:)

463.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 06:05 pm I didn't see anyone on the list....

Thread: UNIVERSITIES

464.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 05:13 pm Quoting AlphaF: The difference between you and me....You will never understand or know... The old man is awake and speaking his nonsense again...why dont you and your "new toy" run off and play...

Thread: UNIVERSITIES

465.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 07:01 am Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting portokal: portokalfa sounds perfect, i accept this name only as a deeper symbol and after discussing this with Alfa. Do you, Portokalfie, accept to be Alphas 4th cyberwife, through good and bad times, in sickness and health, what is your answer to this? (please dont tell me you have to discuss this perfectly too with your Alfa before being able to answer). Good thing Alphie is a muslim. Able to take care of multiple wives... or is he just another dudu?????

Thread: OPINIONS

466.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2008 Thu 06:50 am half Charles Manson, half Britney... very scary...

Thread: INSULTING POLITICAL LEADERS

467.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jan 2008 Wed 05:41 pm More Indian names... This Indian boy goes to his mother one day with a puzzled look on his face. "Say, mom, why is my bigger brother named "Mighty Storm"? "Because he was conceived during a mighty storm." "Why is my sister named "Cornflower"? "Well, your father and I were in a cornfield, when we made her." "And why is my other sister called "Moonchild"? "We were watching the moon landing while she was conceived." "Tell me, Torn Rubber, why are you so curious?"

Thread: General Kucuk arrested for murder plot

468.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jan 2008 Wed 05:39 pm another article on the deep state... deep state

Thread: INSULTING POLITICAL LEADERS

469.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jan 2008 Wed 05:36 pm thats an old one...

Thread: Extremist Plot against Muslim Soldier

470.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 08:03 pm is this what the meds do to you? or is this what happens before they kick in?

Thread: Extremist Plot against Muslim Soldier

471.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:51 pm disgusting...

Thread: General Kucuk arrested for murder plot

472.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:42 pm especially the 6 step coup plan. I wonder if this relates at all to last years "e-coup"

Thread: GAZZE - WHAT IS GOING ON ?

473.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:40 pm does that somehow relate to Gaza and the palestinians?

Thread: GAZZE - WHAT IS GOING ON ?

474.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 07:13 pm I was extremely happy the day I read the news about the border wall torn down in rafah. This is not the only obstacle to peace in the middle east but it is certainly its main pillar. I hate what Israel has done to these people. And I am ashamed of the Arabs for letting it happen. And I am disgusted that my government pays for it...

Thread: General Kucuk arrested for murder plot

475.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 06:50 pm I find this story very interesting. Turkey busts alleged murder network

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

476.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Jan 2008 Tue 06:38 am Quoting girleegirl: The voices in her head? :-S wasn't that a T.A.T.U song???

Thread: UK Standard of Living beats the US!!!

477.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2008 Wed 12:18 am all of american culture, the borders, human rights and benefits are based on one horrible criteria... "where did your sperm originate??"

Thread: UK Standard of Living beats the US!!!

478.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Jan 2008 Tue 11:03 pm This is my biggest criticism of the US, even more than the war in irak. Why is socialized medicine such a frightening idea? All major entities in the US are socialized and always have been. Electricity, water and sewage, airline travel, interstate highway, public schools. Many many more. There is nothing more important than health. If we can trust the government to run all these other functions, why is it so absurd that healthcare cannot alos be run effectively?

Thread: The worst song ever?!?

479.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jan 2008 Wed 07:10 pm no canim....it is Brutal. I can listen to "Las Ketchup", the spanish version all day long before I can stomach Bobby Mcferrin even one more time...

Thread: The worst song ever?!?

480.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jan 2008 Wed 06:56 pm Quoting geniuda: Quoting kafesteki kus: Quoting azade: Quoting kafesteki kus: Asereje http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XubVpeq4E20 las ketchup,yuck...... I think I know))))Ozone-Dragostea...Romanian pop... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgU_m3SuYPE is it that one????? OMG only listening to the voice of the one in yellow is ANNOYING All Eurotech is annoying....

Thread: The worst song ever?!?

481.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jan 2008 Wed 06:55 pm Bobby McFerrin, Don't worry, be happy Great musician, composer, and fellow Minnesotan... but... this song is and always has been BRUTAL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4

Thread: IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CHICKEN TONIGHT

482.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 11:00 pm israeli chicken: there is no road to cross anymore. I have built a wall, so imposssible to cross (oops..I am now locked in...)

Thread: IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CHICKEN TONIGHT

483.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 10:58 pm Hamas Chicken: he didnt make it across the road because he blew himself up (now fried chicken)

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

484.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 09:03 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting AEnigma III: The ACTUAL facts are that one THIRD of women seeking abortion are married. This figure is for the west - the percentage is higher in the east. ...and, I guess this figure would be even higher if it were not for the fact that married women gradually have sex less often than single ones!

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

485.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:54 pm your word was abstinence though. this is a very definitive word...

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

486.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:49 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: Quoting Elisabeth: Has anyone ever heard of abstinense? OH...I know...I need to get with the program...but I have never heard of anyone dying because they didn't have sex and it is 100% effective. We have two extremes here. Abstinence and permiscuity. Do we really expect that any man or woman is to have sex with only one person there entire life? Both of those options are unhealthy I think. I didn't mean abstinence if you are in a committed relationship. I just think it is a good idea for you and your prospective lover to know eachother very well before sleeping together. In my case, he would know, if I got pregnant there would be NO abortion. At that point he would have the option to run....FAST!! I can't argue with that.

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

487.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 08:41 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Has anyone ever heard of abstinense? OH...I know...I need to get with the program...but I have never heard of anyone dying because they didn't have sex and it is 100% effective. We have two extremes here. Abstinence and permiscuity. Do we really expect that any man or woman is to have sex with only one person their entire life? Both of those options are unhealthy I think.

Thread: forum search

488.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:50 pm Quoting geniuda: Quoting KeithL: is there a way to search the forums for a keyword? Thanks in advance... On the left side menu click 'TC Website' then 'Search in TC' then you can type the keyword.. I hope this helps! hmmmmm, very nice of you to help me...muchos gracias

Thread: Clinton, Obama or Edwards?

489.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:33 pm I have said this many times....A requirement for President should be past militray experience, even if only 2 years. The only exception to this rule who was a great president was Reagan.

Thread: The intrigues of the harem

490.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:31 pm topkapi is so much more interesting. I learn many things new everytime i go there.

Thread: forum search

491.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:30 pm is there a way to search the forums for a keyword? Thanks in advance...

Thread: The intrigues of the harem

492.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:19 pm dolmabahce or topkapi? mostly it wasnt the women doing the killing. It was the sultan himself when he came to power. To suppress any threat to his authority... And lots of concubines at the bottom of the boğas...

Thread: Striking Lines or Quote

493.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 06:00 pm Kräht der Hahn auf dem Mist, ändert sich's Wetter oder 's bleibt wie's ist... Don't live your life based on proverbs (not a direct translation, but this is the meaning) literally, "If the rooster crows on the shit pile, the weather will change or stay the way it is"

Thread: Typical day at TLC...

494.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 05:29 pm Quoting girleegirl: I didn't know there was acutal video footage of Keith injurng his wrist!! Thank God footage of the actual incident was not filmed...

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

495.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 05:27 pm Before this thread dies... This camii was built with special column design to withstand earthquakes.

Thread: The intrigues of the harem

496.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 05:25 pm Quoting Roswitha: she plotted and murdered her way to power, ensuring her son became the next sultan. During her lifetime princes disappeared and pregnant concubines who might bear rivals to the throne were stuffed into sacks and thrown into the Bosphorus. it was bad business to be the brother of a sultan. Look at all the small caskets in royal cemetaries. many young siblings strangled in the night...

Thread: The intrigues of the harem

497.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 05:22 pm Judged by the amount of dudu threads, it appears to me harem culture is alive and well in Turkiye...

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

498.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 01:37 am Honestly, i know the answer, but dont see the value of this hint....think construction safety specific to istanbul

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

499.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 01:25 am laughing at Vineyards qualification of statement...thats all I am not entering this battle...

Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

500.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 01:20 am Quoting vineyards: If I were to have a child everytime I have sex with a woman, even my own modest contribution to the Earth's human population could be enermous. P.S. I should have used the past tense when referring to all the women that I .... yes, important to emphasize past...

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

501.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Jan 2008 Tue 12:34 am Mihrab met istanbul "building code" centuries before his time...

Thread: Cafes and Restaurants in Istanbul

502.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 11:16 pm Saray will always be one of my everyday favorites... I go to the one in tesvikiye.

Thread: Suicides of Turkish/Kurdish in the UK

503.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 10:57 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: My parents and I were immigrants once upon a time. We had money at the time, I cant imagine how difficult it would be without money. I salute all people who take risks for a better life. +1000 as long as it's legal... makes no matter to me... we are all people on one earth...

Thread: headscarf was still a social problem

504.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 10:08 pm So true!!!!! Quoting alameda: "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II.

Thread: Suicides of Turkish/Kurdish in the UK

505.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 09:58 pm My parents and I were immigrants once upon a time. We had money at the time, I cant imagine how difficult it would be without money. I salute all people who take risks for a better life.

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

506.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 09:56 pm Quoting MarioninTurkey: Did someone say minibar? Mine's a G&T You can't go wrong with that Marion...(light on the T)

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

507.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 09:49 pm Quoting Roswitha: Only those who had a closer look of this minbar will know the answer. or those who "google" it

Thread: TC Tabloid

508.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 07:19 pm Quoting Elisabeth: AEnigma also added that, "Femme, is beyond reason and has vowed to stay with her dudu until hell freezes over." Or until her bank account is zero...

Thread: Who will know the answer, I happen to know it

509.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jan 2008 Mon 07:14 pm great question Roswitha...

Thread: Famous beds

510.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jan 2008 Sun 07:06 am Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Quoting Waseem_UK: Can anybody add the Turkish twist to this?? I can give you free turkish lessons. (this applies to both male and females) Something always be missing in those lessons given by non-turks I am not the lesson giver...

Thread: Famous beds

511.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jan 2008 Sun 04:01 am Quoting Waseem_UK: Can anybody add the Turkish twist to this?? I can give you free turkish lessons. (this applies to both male and females)

Thread: Turkish /English relationships

512.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Jan 2008 Sat 12:02 am Quoting catheine!!!!!!!: there is tooo much to read.. but do turkish men cheat a lot??! how can you type this with a staright face??? how soon before this account is in top 20 users???

Thread: Typical day at TLC...

513.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Jan 2008 Fri 11:44 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlf4C0qNm0w pass the popcorn and seeds...

Thread: Stupid emails from America..

514.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Jan 2008 Fri 05:22 pm got this email from people i actually know... how can be people be so stupid? Maybe their Fox News education??? (notice the word MUSLIM is always in CAPS) Who is Barack Obama? Read the whole email here..... Something that should be considered when you make your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...it is very scary to think of what could lie ahead for us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. Only been a Senator for 100 days. oh my We checked this out on ' snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself. Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white Athiest from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii . When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.' Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL ISLAMIC teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States , Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegience nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!! Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!

Thread: Clinton, Obama or Edwards?

515.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Jan 2008 Fri 05:24 am Quoting girleegirl: Perot + Nader = Paul +1000 That is fantastic!!!!!

Thread: turkish guys!

516.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jan 2008 Thu 07:59 pm come on girls.... #1, if he tells you he loves you in the first week, HE IS A DUDU!!!

Thread: Travelling from Turkey

517.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jan 2008 Thu 11:35 am The Visa is only country specific. I had this issue a couple years ago. You need to get a Visa for each country that you want to visit. I'm sure the EU Visa will be available at some point, but not yet as far as I know.

Thread: turkish guys!

518.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jan 2008 Thu 04:18 am Quoting geniuda: Quoting Leelu: Quoting catheine!!!!!!!: no i am talking about a guy that i really really like a lot and i only see him in the summer though, in marmaris !!! DuDu run run run DuDu run run another dudu case? what do you know about dudu's????

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

519.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 07:32 pm Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: sure I will be old....but I will be amca...not moruk... I am sorry to butt in, but what is this? I wish you know a bit more of Turkish Culture than the Turkish language. This is RUDE man!! Yes...it is rude. Purposely rude. This man is rude to everyone....

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

520.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 06:40 pm sure I will be old....but I will be amca...not moruk...

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

521.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 06:10 pm oh moruk...Yarağımın atış poligonu....

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

522.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 06:01 pm poor morat....alone in the bunker...

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

523.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:50 pm But who will you unite with moruk??

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

524.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:42 pm Moruk.....you know much about peanuts it seems...

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

525.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:36 pm Quoting AlphaF: You definitely ask for it.... Oh moruk please....think of your poor old heart....

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

526.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:26 pm old man....don't get your heart worked up so.... you are only angry because your youth has left you like so many people have also left you I'm sure....

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

527.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:13 pm Of course he does, but if rubbish is left to sit and rot for too long, the stench is overbearing. So it needs to be taken away and burned....

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

528.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 05:04 pm don't tarnish the honor of the american indian with your phoney affiliation....

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

529.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 03:43 pm What would a gelding possibly know about stallions?????

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

530.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Jan 2008 Wed 03:44 am Quoting christine: Quoting AlphaF: What would happen if all cavemen stopped by the first new cavewoman beckoning him? What would happen if he stopped!!!!! He just just go back his cavewoman and cavebaby and act as if nothing had happen. The poor cavewoman at home would not know any diffence would she???? Cavebaby??? please. he is a 70 year old man that life and time has passed by. All he has left now is his bitterness on life and a wife that learned to ignore him years ago. Maybe we should do the same to him...

Thread: Women in the boardroom: In Norway, it's the law

531.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jan 2008 Tue 07:01 pm http://www.startribune.com/business/13509646.html Whats wrong with equal opportunity and equal representation??

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

532.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jan 2008 Tue 06:06 pm Quoting AlphaF: My preference and support is for "feminine" ladies. Boooo to all feminists ! I can not care less if they have their own coffee shop or whatever, so long as they keep its doors closed... I pity men that don't trust their women and feel they must lock them away from the real world. I can only imagine the thought provoking dialogue in your home...

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

533.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jan 2008 Tue 06:02 pm Quoting AlphaF: Quoting KeithL: Why are some men so afraid of strong women??? Why do some people come up with peanut questions? All the peanuts seem to be in ankara these days...

Thread: Feminist Bookstore in Istanbul

534.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Jan 2008 Tue 05:20 pm Why are some men so afraid of strong women???

Thread: Curious! Cannot read Turkish

535.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:20 pm anytime mein Schatzi...

Thread: SILLY FORUM...NOT FOR SERIOUS MEMBERS TC Tabloid Headlines

536.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:16 pm Let me say this very clearly. I love my city and my country. Its good to be home and enjoying my friends and family so long. This has been my longest stay in the US since 2001.

Thread: What made you smile today :)

537.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:12 pm I was recently in California....hmmmm Is it possible? What kind of Superbug have you women come up with?

Thread: Curious! Cannot read Turkish

538.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:05 pm everything you ever wanted to know about maramaray project Marmaray project TCDD

Thread: Benazir Bhutto was assassinated

539.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:00 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting girleegirl: Something is out of balance somewhere in the world when Keith is agreeing with the American girls! What can I say, since I left istanbul and arrived in minneapolis, the intelligence average of both cities has gone down. Or is it the other way around???

Thread: please, dont betray us!

540.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 06:54 pm Quoting peace train: Quoting AEnigma !!! I am assuming OMG refers to God because of your previous exclamations : "God!" and " Thank God . . ." Are you sure there’s nothing you want to tell us? Too funny!!!!!

Thread: SILLY FORUM...NOT FOR SERIOUS MEMBERS TC Tabloid Headlines

541.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 06:39 pm Quoting Elisabeth: KeithL...on the sick and injured list again! In an amazing feat of human strength Keith has survived yet another attack from viruses unknown. Sources close to Keith insist that he eats well and get plenty of rest, however the TC paparazzi has taken several pictures of Keith having fun in various Istanbul hot spots. When will the madness stop...when will he just stay home and eat the chicken soup that this reporter is well aware he has the recipe for? Its true, I have obtained an amazing chicken soup recipe. But, if you look at the pictures closer, you will see it is the hot spots of minneapolis, not istanbul. Two feet of snow on the ground should have given that away....

Thread: What made you smile today :)

542.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 03:54 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting girleegirl: GG has been home sick all day...were you here contagious? Bored out of my mind so I just stayed logged on all day. I am ill too. It is even worse for me because I am on holiday from work until 2nd January Shall we give our bugs to keith? I've been ill for 2 days. Now I know who I caught it from! And I here I was blaming my sisters kids....

Thread: Benazir Bhutto was assassinated

543.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 07:02 am Quoting teaschip1: Given that 46% of Pakistan is for the Taliban is a scary thought along with the only Middle Eastern Country with Nuclear Weapons. I agree with that too. All the worry about North Korea and Iran, I think Pakistan is truly the most dangerous of the three...

Thread: Benazir Bhutto was assassinated

544.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 12:11 am A door is opened now that will be difficult to close. Musharraf's neglect of this matter is transparent. He will be next...

Thread: Benazir Bhutto was assassinated

545.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2007 Fri 12:09 am Quoting girleegirl: Unfortunately it was only a matter of time. Musharraf had been working towards this since her return to Pakistan in October. Now he conveniently places the blame on terrorist. Disgusting! I think this is what happened too...

Thread: Happy 40th Birthday Vineyards

546.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Dec 2007 Wed 09:39 pm Akin my good friend, So sorry i wasn't there to help celebrate. All the best to you in the New Year.

Thread: A GOOD TEST OF INTEGRITY

547.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2007 Fri 07:05 pm The human condition of the native americans in minnesota (dakota, sioux, ojibwe) is deplorable. Suicide, healthcare, unemployment, alcoholism, education inaccessibility. Its a disgrace. Anyone who cares to investigate the subject longer than 15 minutes can quickly find what has led to these conditions. But looking backwards is not helping the situation. The Minnesota state government needs to look in the mirror, and do everything possible to not lose another generation of native american children to this cycle of poverty.

Thread: All for a greener Istanbul

548.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Dec 2007 Fri 08:56 pm I have skkied at Uludaag, Palandöken and Kartalkaya. Scotland has skiing??? Interesting...

Thread: Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf

549.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Dec 2007 Fri 08:46 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting catwoman: Maybe she prefers to delete her posts then to make new accounts? Hahahahahahaha I love you Touche Now thats funny!!

Thread: Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf

550.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Dec 2007 Fri 08:41 pm I think there was a misunderstanding. Keep your posts up Roswitha...

Thread: All for a greener Istanbul

551.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Dec 2007 Fri 08:24 pm There are great places to ski in America that are more about the skiing than status. I have always prefered the utah slopes compared to the colorado resports.

Thread: All for a greener Istanbul

552.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Dec 2007 Fri 08:17 pm Palandöken is by far the best if you like challenging skiing. Uludaag is Turkey's answer to snobby European resorts.

Thread: AN IMPORTANT NIGHT

553.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Dec 2007 Wed 04:25 pm I am pro mandatory military service. 18 months. Bush would have never had public support to enter Irak with the military including the sons of congressman. Also, the two most important wars on the 20th centrury were won with a drafted army, WWI and WWII. Many if not most european nations require a minimum military service. So many kids finish high school with no clue what to do with their lives. Two years of maturity in service would give us better members of society. Exposing the best of the best to the military will only give us a stronger and better military...

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

554.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 08:33 pm oh please........ FF...you are so mean to me... dont need attention or sympathy.....

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

555.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 08:25 pm Quoting azade: Geçmiş olsun! Sounds like you've been struck by some real bad luck I am a very lucky person. This is such a small thing in the scope of everything else. I have no complaints at all...

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

556.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 07:12 pm playing basketball with friends at the Kadikoy Harbor Park in feneroglu... broke 3 bones, ulma, radius and scaphoid... I have some extra hardware now but I'll be back to normal soon.

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

557.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 06:43 pm I'm home under the weather a little today looking for some entertainment. Where are all the fighters today???

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

558.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 06:40 pm well...injured yes. I've had a fever the last day. Too much fun in the last week in hockey rinks maybe. the wrist yes....far too long. They told me recovery would be 6 months to 2 years, but I had my hopes on 6 months... But, its healing, just slow. My latest cast is bight red, very Christmasy!!!

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

559.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 06:35 pm I'm home with a small fever today so made some mercimek soup. Where has our resident chef Aslı gone?

Thread: Shipwreck off Turkish coast kills 20

560.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 06:28 pm Almost 60 drowned Is this what you are refering to roswitha?

Thread: Ataturk Dam - GAP project

561.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2007 Tue 06:26 pm so, if the people that "dig" it up should keep it, that would still mean the Arabs don't have the right to the oil. The western world developed and "dug" for this oil....

Thread: next year

562.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Dec 2007 Mon 10:59 pm big changes in 2008.....stay tuned (but not dying)

Thread: Foça, an ancient town on the Aegean coast:

563.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Dec 2007 Mon 05:52 pm I have spent so much time in Foca and Aliaga. What a great little fishing village. It was our second construction site here (Aliaga) so I think I have eaten at every cafe in Foca and Yenifoca at least a dozen times. Not too touristy as its off the beaten trail. If 5 star accomodations is your preference, the Phokia is a great all inclusive hotel in Foca. And when the village life was too slow, Izmir was less than an hour by car away. Great memories !!

Thread: Dubai Towers in Istanbul

564.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Dec 2007 Sun 07:20 pm They run out of money. There is never enough money to build all at once. So the foundation and frame of the buildings go up very quickly. But then, it takes years often to get the rest of the money to finish. Mortgages are new to turkey relative. Most homes here were paid in with cash. When i bought my flat in Fulya, it was crazy the way we poured the money on the table (20million YTL was the largest note at the time).

Thread: next year

565.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Dec 2007 Sun 06:48 pm maybe...

Thread: Dubai Towers in Istanbul

566.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Dec 2007 Sun 06:19 pm As slow as construction is in this city, I would be surprised if this project is completed in the next 20 years. There are so many half finished business towers already, i cant imagine a need for this much additional office space in the Levent area...

Thread: next year

567.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Dec 2007 Sat 06:19 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Simple one to answer 2007: End of old life 2008: Start of new life +1000 Me too!!!

Thread: Right at this moment.....................

568.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Dec 2007 Sat 06:17 pm Quoting libralady: I am so bored, my flight to Endinburgh is delayed and I am sitting in the smallest airport in England with nothing better to do and only two minutes left on the "internet station " Maybe I will walk round the departure lounge again............................ I may be spending significant time in Edinburgh in 2008. I hear its a great city. Any suggestions???

Thread: Married! A year and a half later :)

569.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Dec 2007 Sat 06:15 pm What a great story!!! Very happy for the both of you!!!

Thread: Religion....

570.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Dec 2007 Sat 06:12 pm I have truly seen miracles in my life. I do believe in God and its not only because my parents raised me that way. I think having a good spiritual relationship with God is like a marraige. Its not easy. There are good times and bad. Its hard work at times and maybe too easy to give up. But if you have faith and work hard, your reward will come.

Thread: The mystery of Byzantium-Constantinople-Sultanahmet Square

571.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Dec 2007 Sat 11:00 pm me too!!!!

Thread: The mystery of Byzantium-Constantinople-Sultanahmet Square

572.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Dec 2007 Sat 10:55 pm oh thats brilliant...I hope you are teacher...

Thread: The mystery of Byzantium-Constantinople-Sultanahmet Square

573.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Dec 2007 Sat 10:52 pm sorry alpha, help me connect the dots between the first post and yours... Thanks!

Thread: Thoughts and prayers go out

574.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Dec 2007 Sat 10:32 pm Quoting Umut_Umut: May Allah forgive them all. Its really sad. +1000

Thread: Types of Jobs in Turkey for Americans

575.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Nov 2007 Wed 03:44 pm Quoting vineyards: What is this dudu thing? I couldn't find out the where all this bitterness started. Under the circumstances, I am thinking of asking the admin to open a flaming section where people could bash one another without ever worrying about being misunderstood. There are examples of this elsewhere. I remember back in the early 90's, at a time when we were spending a fortune on our dial up connections to local BBS's, we could completely solve this problem by arranging those flaming corners. Being hardly ever censored or noticed by anyone, aggressors could actually curse the other party and be responded to similarly. Because messages posted there would not count as real messages you would continue to communicate elsewhere in the forum normally. Violation of that simple rule however, would result in the suspension of your account which in some cases would have other graver consequences like being excommunicated from the BBS community as the service turned on the pocket money of the BBS owners who were the real Gods of the glorious BBS age. +1000 This site has become intolerable lately...

Thread: Laptop & Internet

576.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:44 pm what brand and model?, I'm sure they list the specs on their website

Thread: Phone Card / calling home

577.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:42 pm Quoting Turk120807: What is a "contour"?????? The term that is used for units. They don't sell minutes, they sell contours. one minute phone call may cost 2 or 3 contours.

Thread: Laptop & Internet

578.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:39 pm of course, do what you feel safe with, but they havent made single voltage computers or cameras for years. They are all 110/220V compatible. look for the writing that says: Input 100V-240V

Thread: Phone Card / calling home

579.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:36 pm Quoting KeithL: the turkish sim card will cost you about $20 dollars and comes loaded with 250 contours. This is enough for about 60 minutes in calls to US or dozens of short calls within Turkey. also, if you text message, SMS's in Turkey are 2 contour. SMS's to the US are 3 contours. Very cheap!

Thread: Laptop & Internet

580.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:18 pm Quoting egyptian_tomb: Quoting KeithL: you don't need a converter (unless your laptop is 20 years old). All computers now are fine for 115V or 220V. All you need is a $5 plug. Don't waste your money on anything else!!! For the cost of the converter.....maybe better not to take a chance. I didn't know about that. I guess it's their choice, sorry if the info is incorrect. With Modern computers, there is no risk. They are built to work world-wide. Bad news for the transformer salesman.....

Thread: Phone Card / calling home

581.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:16 pm the turkish sim card will cost you about $20 dollars and comes loaded with 250 contours. This is enough for about 60 minutes in calls to US or dozens of short calls within Turkey.

Thread: Phone Card / calling home

582.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:14 pm Quoting Turk120807: I'll be brining a cell phone from the U.S. already with global capabilities. I see your point, just wondering aobut phone card costs. I'll only be there a week. Most phones in US are only 2 band phones. It needs to be a 4 band phone to work.

Thread: Laptop & Internet

583.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 10:10 pm you don't need a converter (unless your laptop is 20 years old). All computers now are fine for 115V or 220V. All you need is a $5 plug. Don't waste your money on anything else!!!

Thread: Phone Card / calling home

584.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 08:59 pm cheapest thing to do would be to get a cheap, used cell phone and buy a sim card for about 25 YTL.

Thread: Laptop & Internet

585.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2007 Wed 08:39 pm Your easiest (and cheapest) way to get wireless internet is to go to one of the million Starbucks or Gloria Jeans that have opened in the last few years. Even the smallest villages have intenet cafes these days. If not wireless, you can hook up physically to their network for the same cost as using a computer.

Thread: Turkish soldiers killed at border today...

586.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Oct 2007 Tue 10:30 pm If Turkey still had the death penalty, Ocalan would have had his throat slit a long time ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't think Turkey has executed anyoneone for several years. Of course to meet this requirement. But of course there is a double standard. Imagine the EU reaction if Turkey housed 7/7 bombers or planners...

Thread: Working age

587.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Oct 2007 Tue 10:22 pm Quoting rico_1978: Hi, Me and My Turkish girlfriend are due to move to Istanbul early next year. My Girlfriend has heard that it is hard to find a job when you are over the age of 27. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this? We will both be over this age when we go. Cheers It is true. Employers want younger people. Most turks are forced to retire after working 20 years. So for many this is as early as 40 or 41. I have seen mnay job advertisements that limit applicants to those under 24 or 25. Good luck!

Thread: dangerous creatures in Turkey

588.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Oct 2007 Tue 02:48 pm Quoting ciko: Turkish nationalists are the most dangerous creatures in Turkey nowadays I think the terrorist PKK creature is most dangerous creature in turkey. It is their actions that bring out the nationalism in the Turks.

Thread: dangerous creatures in Turkey

589.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Oct 2007 Tue 04:25 am Turkey obviously is a huge country with much of it mountainous. It has a variety of snakes, spiders and insects. Also there are different sizes of cats, coyotes and wolves. Bears? I don't know. Lets not forget about the jellyfish in the bogas waters. They can leave quite a sting.

Thread: What are you listening now?

590.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2007 Sat 08:53 pm In honor of today's decalared TLC Holiday Love Song, The Cure

Thread: Turkey rejects Iraq's PKK offer

591.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2007 Sat 08:52 pm Quoting AlphaF: What hurts me most is PKK having to hide out in Iraqi mountains. What a shame ! We want our terrorists in our own mountains. We shall take good care of them. : +1000

Thread: Im searching my dear friend Mustafa

592.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2007 Sat 06:31 am Mustafa is a friend of mine. I'll call him and check on him for you.

Thread: Your right hands!!

593.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2007 Sat 06:23 am I have the best kapici in fulya! Fresh bread every morning when I wake up with my zeitung. And when i get home at night, fresh bread again with any veggies or other items I asked for. I leave a basket on my door with a note and its done. He goes on holiday for 2 weeks every summer and he has a replacement come in. I realize then what a good friend and hard worker Şafak is...

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

594.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Oct 2007 Fri 09:03 pm I really dont understand anyones objections here. What would the US do if sandiego was getting attacked by terrorists in tiajuana?

Thread: t - e i know it's long and i can only understand some of the content. if someone has the time !

595.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Oct 2007 Fri 08:58 pm whenever I am asked who I would like to have met in history, he is always in my top 3

Thread: English to Turkish. a few short lines i would like help with

596.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Oct 2007 Fri 05:50 pm I don't know this girl. Whether she acted responsibly or not is not for me to judge. To anyone who finds joy in ridiculing this girl, I pity you more than I pity her....

Thread: English to Turkish. a few short lines i would like help with

597.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Oct 2007 Fri 05:43 pm So when any member of society shows their vulnerabity in public, good to know that you live in a society where you think its OK to public humiliate them. Does this make you feel superior somehow? Enjoying the common drama that goes on with a holiday romance is one thing. Shaming a pregnant woman is quite another. I'm shocked Elizabeth. I really am. This may be the most disgusting abuse of an individual I have ever seen at TLC. Any person with an ounce of self-asteem or compassion would never have acted in this way. You should all be ashamed of yourselves...

Thread: English to Turkish. a few short lines i would like help with

598.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Oct 2007 Fri 05:28 pm I'm just scratching my head as I read this post. Who in this forum hasn't suffered pain before? I hope in your time of suffering, no one was there to take joy in your sorrow. None of us live in glass houses. We all have put ourselves in circumstances that are less than ideal. Privately, we can think about another persons flaws, but publically, it would be better to show a little compassion (or say nothing at all). Especially a complete stranger tht you nothing about. Does it feel superior to judge this girl? I pray for this girl and her unborn child that they find security and happiness that we all deserve in this life.

Thread: Turkish Holiday Romances!

599.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Oct 2007 Wed 05:16 pm No, nothing is ever funny. Life is completely serious. Laughing is for the unemployed and the TLC addicts. Femme Fatal taught me that...

Thread: Turkish Holiday Romances!

600.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Oct 2007 Wed 04:58 pm Quote: Quoting alameda: You know, that is really a very tasteless comment. The genocide issue is not a jokeing matter. Quoting karekin04: or "Just Admit the Geonicide". thats the ticket!!! I have to agree. Some things just aren't funny. When was the last time you heard a good holcaust joke??

Thread: please help me so worried

601.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Oct 2007 Sun 06:53 pm It may mean that his messages are full and there is not room for more? Does he change numbers occasionally or is this the same number he has had since you have known him? Good luck...

Thread: Question

602.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Oct 2007 Sat 04:14 am Quoting catwoman: Quoting kaddersokak: A very good introductory article to the Kurdish Question in Turkey by a well-known Turkish academician. Enjoy it! If only your articles were a bit shorter kaddersokak! +1

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

603.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Oct 2007 Fri 12:36 am Quoting AlphaF: Being Kurdish is not something to be frowned upon. Be careful in differentiating terrorists and Kurdish citizens of Turkia... +1000

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

604.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 11:52 pm Quoting thehandsom: I still think pkk is in the passive/defensive position. Say no more. I suspected where your sympathy was directed and now I know. I will not discuss this matter with anyone who supports the PKK..

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

605.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 11:06 pm and there is credible evidence that they are linked.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

606.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:57 pm So how many more bombs need to be exploded? If not going after the PKK, then what is the answer? These attacks are not limited to tourist spots. The HSBC Bank, the british consulate, the shopping mall in Ankara. They are doing more than frightening tourists in resort areas. For now, all the army wants to do is "hot pursuit" after an attack.

Thread: Getting Lira

607.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:54 pm most signs are in english as well. Also, most signs have pictures so even if you spoke no english or turkish, you could find your way.

Thread: Marmaris =)

608.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:51 pm Plenty of female bartenders in Istanbul, especially in Taksim. My friend selda has been a bartender at the Hom Store in Akmerkiz (Levent) for over 10 years.

Thread: how not to get ripped off by taxi??

609.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:48 pm when you are leaving the airport (first stoplight) make sure he turns right. If he is not turning right, tell him you want to drive by the seaside. If you say Kennedy, he will understand also, even if he speaks no english.

Thread: please help me so worried

610.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:46 pm but after 10 years, how many more years can you give him before he does the right thing? Time keeps going and still your alone. You have to think of your future. I know its hard. I mean no disrespect to you.

Thread: Getting Lira

611.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:43 pm when you enter the baggage hall, there are 2 places to exchange money on each side at the bottom of the stairs. The rate is fair but you pay a commision. exchange only what you need for the day. The best rates are at Doviz offices or ATM's.

Thread: Getting Lira

612.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:41 pm Quoting mey0722: Can I pay for my visa with US Dollars? Sorry if that is a silly question. yes you can , they are cheaper now than they used to be too.

Thread: please help me so worried

613.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:40 pm but you talked to the brother so at least you know he is alive. I'm very sorry for you but to an outsider here, you need to forget this guy...

Thread: how not to get ripped off by taxi??

614.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 09:39 pm Taxis are better now than 5 or 6 years ago. Before, they had the old meters that didnt work. You paid whatever the driver said after you argued a bit. Now, its electronic so you can see the price as you go. Just make sure he drives on the kennedy along the seaside. Of course he can always make the drive longer. This happened to me this summer. My flight got in at 6:00am. So i fell asleep in the taxi. He assumed I was a foreigner and drove 30 minutes longer. He wanted 60 YTL and I gave him 35YTL. he assumed i was tourist, so we argued in front of my flat for 10 minutes before he finally drove away angry. Moral of the story, Stay awake!!

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

615.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:18 pm As I said teaship, the PKK had a cease fire with turkey for several years. Since the US invasion of Irak, their suicide bombings in turkey have begun again.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

616.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:17 pm I believe you serdar. Nothing about this war with the PKK is pretty.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

617.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:09 pm And your people have a right to defend themselves. I'm not disagreeing with you serdar.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

618.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:07 pm 4 years ago, the PKK was quiet and at a truce with Turkey. In the last 4 years, they have stepped up their attacks. Turkey would have voted to allow the US access to NW Irak as I said if they were allowed to join the operation.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

619.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:05 pm OK Teaship, Your recent history is very wrong. Turkey turned down money from the US to allow the invasion to take place from Turkish borders. Why? Because Turkey was not allowed to participate in the invasion. This would be the equivelent of the US allowing an ally to attack mexico from texas. And have the nerve to tell the US to stay out of it. Turkey acted honorably. The US money that goes to turkey for air bases is no different than the money all NATO nations receive for allowing air bases in their country. Its called rent. The pentagon considers this rent money well spent I assure you.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

620.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 08:01 pm Several bombs set by the PKK have gone off near my home. Most notably, the HSBC Bank building at the levent metro station. I do not need a politician to tell me the PKK is a problem and we need to dismantle them. The military has known this for years and has held off because of the politicians.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

621.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:55 pm If Turkey is able to mobilize inside the irak border, Turkey is safer. Training bases will be found and eliminated.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

622.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 07:41 pm Turkey has the absolute right to defend its borders. The Republic of Turkey is being consistently attacked by members of the PKK who train and reside in Irak. Every nation in the world would protect its people and end this threat. Turkey has exercised patience to satisfy the United States long enough. Its now time for Turkey to act in its own interests and protect its people. All peoples of Turkey support this action.

Thread: Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?

623.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2007 Thu 06:52 pm Rather than take the current popular post in the forum, in a new direction, I have started this one so the Armenian issue is not confused with the PKK issue. How can the world expect Turkey to act with restraint against the PKK? This has been going on for over 30 years! Did the US use restraint when attacking Irak over 9/11? Did US ally, Israel use restraint went it leveled Beirut again over one single soldier? The problem with American diplomacy is its incredible hypocracy applied for itself and its allies.

Thread: Message for AEnigma III

624.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Oct 2007 Wed 01:03 am just teasing her about her direct message not to send her spam...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

625.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Oct 2007 Wed 12:50 am Quoting AlphaF: An interesting point regarding history of disputes between Greece and Turkey is that peaceful times are invariably experienced when Turkey is stronger and holds the upper hand. Trouble starts as soon as others whisper to Greek ears that Cyprus actually belongs to Greece or the time has come to reclaim Istanbul and Ionia back from Turks and persuade them that they are actually strong enough to beat Turks on battlefields. Greeks can not resist the temptation and they never learn. At all other times peace prevails. I can think of 71 million reasons at the moment why Greece will never cause problems again for Turkey...

Thread: Message for AEnigma III

626.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Oct 2007 Wed 12:47 am stopped me dead in my tracks....

Thread: please help me so worried

627.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:50 pm was meant to be funny

Thread: HOTEL NEAR AIRPORT?

628.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:31 pm Quoting ninja: I once stayed at the Florya Park hotel, I think it is a good choice if just staying for one night. Rate is about $60 USD including breakfast. Yes it is a little old building. Rooms are small. Breakfast is okay. Yet it is safe, staff is helpful. Last time I arrived at 6 am...and they allowed me to check out at 2 pm to catch my flight. Call to reserve, don't trust the taxi driver...this is my experience, especially you are travelling alone as a female. Good Luck! http://travela.priceline.com/hotel/overview-Turkey_Istanbul_Istanbul_Allstar_Airport_Florya_Park_Hotel-2814105.html This is where my employees usually stay also but they have paid closer to $40 USD per night.

Thread: CUSTOMS

629.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:30 pm Quoting mey0722: The ferry says "Yenikapi - Bandirma." 10 minute cab ride

Thread: please help me so worried

630.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:27 pm After this many days with no contact, I can only imagine the excuse that will be given. Here are my odds on what he will say. Place your bets. 2:1 "I was in hospital" 4:1 "My mobile was stolen and don't have your number" 8:1 " I couldn't afford to buy contours" 15:1 Anything at all regarding alien abduction...

Thread: please help me so worried

631.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:24 pm Quoting Janette1169: I been reading these posts with interest. The guy who's disappeared surely would want some contact with his child, any parent would , so im sure in time when he's ready he'll call or contact in some way. Maybe he wants a little space, we all do at times. As for the homosexual discussion goin on here,well ..... If there are gay men in Turkey is sure is a waste and a loss for us ladies, some are soo beautiful to look at, my blood pressure always goes up a notch when in Turkey. someone is just asking for a full mailbox....

Thread: Armenians-Turks

632.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:20 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: OK, not to argue now, but want to give you some accurate history. It was Greece that invaded Turkey after WWI and made it all the way from Smyrna to Samsun. Greece lost land in SW Turkey as the turkish army fought them all the way back and off the main land. The military events of 1974 were a result of a greek led military coup and the subsequent attacks on Turks on the island. Where we sit today is a result of Greek aggresion, and Turkey defending its citizens. Keith, as I said, I don't think there's a single guilty side here, but you are quoting very selective facts. Greece was invaded by Ottomans and totally overtaken for couple hundred years! When they finally regained their independence, they didn't return to their former borders and initiated battles to get back the land to include the ethnic Greek population. Catwoman, these two events are hardly selective. They are the two pillars of turkish-greco realtions in the last 100 years. If I am being selective, please identify any issue I may be forgetting about in the last century.

Thread: CUSTOMS

633.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:48 pm Quoting mey0722: THANK YOU!! I want to try to get to the sea ferry by 6:30pm when it leaves, but my flight gets in at 3:30pm. Is that possible? The ferry in eminönü or the one in bakırköy?

Thread: CUSTOMS

634.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:45 pm very very easy. You will have no problem making the ferry.

Thread: Armenians-Turks

635.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:44 pm OK, not to argue now, but want to give you some accurate history. It was Greece that invaded Turkey after WWI and made it all the way from Smyrna to Samsun. Greece lost land in SW Turkey as the turkish army fought them all the way back and off the main land. The military events of 1974 were a result of a greek led military coup and the subsequent attacks on Turks on the island. Where we sit today is a result of Greek aggresion, and Turkey defending its citizens.

Thread: HOTEL NEAR AIRPORT?

636.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:37 pm Whats your budget and how long will you be in Istanbul?

Thread: CUSTOMS

637.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:36 pm it never takes me more than 45 minutes. customs lines have improved so much in the last few years. It used to be a contact sport! Now its very orderly. When you enter the baggage hall, you'll see a table at the bottom of the stairs with men selling cart tokens. Knowing this can save you a few minutes. When you leave the terminal doors, taksi is to the right, rental cars to the left. Have fun!

Thread: HOTEL NEAR AIRPORT?

638.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:27 pm There are bad hotels everywhere. Book before you get there and if your cab driver can get you a better deal at a nicer place, then thats even better.

Thread: Armenians-Turks

639.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:24 pm I disagree with you soooooo much. I travel and work with Greeks often. The Greeks hate the Turks with a passion. Turks care very little about Greeks except as how it relates to Cyprus. The greeks are still grieving the loss of Constantinople as if it lost its only lover and agonize that they were unable to get it back after WWI.

Thread: HOTEL NEAR AIRPORT?

640.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:21 pm I agree with marion. I often have employees that fly into istanbul for only a few days and wish to stay near the airport. Florya is very reaosnable and is accessible by cheap taksi or even cheaper train connection if you feel adventurous...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

641.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:12 pm Oh Catwoman, please read the newspapers a little closer. (There were no Ottomans in 1974!) Northern Cyprus is closed to the world. The Greeks attacked the Turks and it was the turkish army responding to protect their citizens. Should they have left them to die? And look at the last elections. The turks voted over 90% to unify as one country with the greeks. Finally, countries are starting to recognise how outrageous this situation is and are opening their doors to northern Cyprus. The Greeks have behaved very selfishly over this and I hope this all comes to bite them in the ass! As for the rest of Europe, they have turned their back on a key member of NATO to satisfy the greeks unjust position. Yes, this is my example of extreme anti-turkish bias in Europe...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

642.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 06:56 pm The biggest reason that I have for expecting the world community to drop this once and for all is that these events happened technically under another era. This was the end of the ottoman empire. The republic was not formed until 1923. Turkey should be of course responsible for any actions it made after 1923. Turkey as we know is held to a different standard. The Cyprus issue has been unresolved for over 30 years. The Turks have shown every indication of wanting cyprus united and its the rest of Europe that still wants to punish the turks in northern cyprus for "protecting themselves". These are both examples of the extreme anti-turkish bias in Europe...

Thread: please help me so worried

643.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:35 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting dottiek: hmmm, odd. Why do I get the feeling there is no reason for all this concern? Lauracorrahs reason for turkish class: married to a turk? So is this your boyfriend on the side? How does your husband feel? Perhaps he can help you locate the missing boyfriend and father of your child? just a suggestion. Another suggestion, do you have any idea where his ex-wife lives? Maybe you could have someone check up on that location? What is even stranger is that we had another member's (tommysbar) Turkish love go missing around the same time. Maybe they are together? its bayram...men always desert their lovers for their families during bayram...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

644.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:22 pm Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? because the winners write the history books!!! who won? Clearly, the ottomans lost.

Thread: Armenians-Turks

645.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 04:54 pm Quoting ciko: ..you speak like armenians were very poor innocent people and suddenly Ottoman attacked and killed them. of course i am ashamed of what ottoman did to them..but they did the same to us..why we are the only blamed one? because the winners write the history books!!!

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646.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:28 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Also interestingrnough, this position would actually implicate the armenians. By your explanation, "they brought this on themselves" by allying with Russia and attacking the Ottomans... oh, finally back to the thread! armenians-turks! See FF? You question my madness, but my replies always have a reason and do come back around to making the point relevant to the thread. Sometimes more quickly than other times...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

647.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:21 am Also interestingrnough, this position would actually implicate the armenians. By your explanation, "they brought this on themselves" by allying with Russia and attacking the Ottomans...

Thread: Armenians-Turks

648.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Oct 2007 Mon 11:18 pm For one, I lived in Minnesota for almost 20 years. This area was one of the last areas still occupied by majority native Indian and whites were the minority. The brutality of the army's sytematic elimination is clear. By the way, the Bush White House took a good initiative today in regards to a Palestinian State, so I do not always disagree with President Bush.

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649.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Oct 2007 Mon 11:05 pm I don't wan't to shift the focus of this thread to something else, but calling what happened between americans and native indians in the 1800's can hardly be classified as a war.

Thread: Armenians-Turks

650.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Oct 2007 Mon 10:46 pm the key word here is genocide. No, America has never admitted genocide to this issue.

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651.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Oct 2007 Mon 10:27 pm of all countries, I find it ironic that the U.S. feels the need to weigh in on this issue. The genocide against native americans is one of the most brutal and most documented chapters in American history. I think America should deal with its own past before meddling into this complicated matter...

Thread: please help me so worried

652.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Oct 2007 Fri 07:02 pm maybe you can have someone here phone the sister. There has been no news of a bus accident so I would rule that out.

Thread: Types of Jobs in Turkey for Americans

653.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Oct 2007 Fri 05:47 am Quoting Leelu: Quoting KeithL: I think until you learn turkish, teaching english as a native speaker will be about your only opportunities. As it has been said, the job economy here is tight anyway. Good luck. I have special skills, so why would they not be required? do you mean to tell me that any one off the street can walk into a company and build a network with a firewall, dns servers etc? or that there are no EDI - Electronic Data Interfaces, WMS - Warehouse Management Systems in Turkey? that EVERYTHING is done the old fashioned way with a pen and piece of paper? .. I highly doubt it. As far as language goes, I learn EXTREMELY quickly .. yes, those jobs are here, but don't you think you need to speak turkish? I'm not going to minimize your talents, but do you really think that those skills aren't being taught here???

Thread: Types of Jobs in Turkey for Americans

654.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Oct 2007 Fri 04:48 am I think until you learn turkish, teaching english as a native speaker will be about your only opportunities. As it has been said, the job economy here is tight anyway. Good luck.

Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

655.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Oct 2007 Sun 05:08 pm I didn't call anyone any name. My post was completely sarcastic. Aenigma, I'm surprised you even had to ask.

Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

656.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Oct 2007 Sun 05:06 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting KeithL: I hate Bossy Insecure Temptuous Catty Highminded Yelling women... Keith - you have some explaining to do!!! Are you calling me this "name"? are you kidding me????

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657.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Oct 2007 Sun 05:05 pm come on, just having a little "word fun". Don't take me so serious....

Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

658.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Oct 2007 Sun 12:06 am Quoting AEnigma III: People often complain that TC is not like 'the good old days' but my personal opinion is that recent new female members have added considerably to the site. They are strong, ballsy, funny and clever...long may they stay (Maybe that's why certain male members are getting so upset lately! ) I hate Bossy Insecure Temptuous Catty Highminded Yelling women...

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

659.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 10:34 pm Please, don't compare Korea to Iraq. Don't forget the turks were in Korea too by the way...

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

660.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:58 pm you think only "before" marraige??

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

661.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:52 pm Why does everyone talk about visa's, gifts and money as the reasons the turkish men "target" foreign women? Why can't the reason just be to experience variety of sexual experiences?

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

662.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:48 pm Quoting Trudy: Quoting AlphaF: just tell me you are German...no more need be said.. OMG, no!!! I'm not. something against germans???

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

663.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:47 pm Quoting teaschip1: Which brings me to a good question, why are Turkish women so faithful and honest? What happens in a marriage when the husband cheats on their wife? Does she leave him, try to work it out or just plain tolerates it due to money, housing etc. I don't necessarily believe divorce is always the answer. But I would like to get some perspective on how Turkish women put up with the dishonest and cheating men in their country...and also how Turkish men put up with dishonest and cheating women? This is so true. I would hate to tell you how many guys I know with a second flat, 2 or 3 mobile numbers that their wife doesn't know about. And of course, more women in turkey are divorcing their husbands for cheating, but most still tolerate it and ignore it.

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

664.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:38 pm Quoting Serdar07: Quoting femme_fatal: why do eastern people blame the west for their poverty, for all the evil and unhappiness? if a bomb blows up in the middle eastern city, it is the west to be blame! if a bomb blows up in NY it is again the west is responsible! interestin way of thinking! So we can restart thinking about the new history that began with September 11th who made that... The USA government did that... USA made those terroists starting from 1979 in Afganistan.. Oh serdar, terrorism has been around for centuries. Don't blame the Americans. The word "assasin" I'll point out comes from the name of an arabic tribe over a thousand years ago...

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

665.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:34 pm Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting ciko: wake up foreign women wake up..All turkish men are pervert and bad and all we think about is to take your money..because we all are poor and we never work and we die for your money! WAKE UP! say what you want, but the facts are facts! even it hurts! swallow it ciko! i want money! i want money too, billions of them! where can i get them? too late FF, should have waited for a rich bavarian...

Thread: foreign women wake up!!!

666.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Oct 2007 Fri 07:33 pm Quoting Elisabeth: That damn dudu! Take him for everything! (Everything you bought him) Oh that made me laugh!!!! Very nice Elizabeth!!!

Thread: Turkish Class TC... How many nice people I knew through?

667.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Oct 2007 Thu 12:01 am site crashed for some reason. how did you two manage to not get booted?

Thread: Diets

668.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Oct 2007 Wed 08:19 pm here's an easy start for anyone. 1. No fast food. none whatsoever. 2. Two salads a day (tomato's, cucumbers, parsley, green peppers) with lemon juice and a little olive oil as dressing. 3. Add to that a 45 minute walk after work every night and you will immediately see the benefits (5 lbs in a week maybe?) Obesity in America is a big problem but I will say that there are obstacles for Americans that many other countries don't have. For one, in most areas, you have to drive to do everything. School, work, shopping, you name it. So right there, the best form of exercise for the whole world doesn't happen naturally in America because its just too bigand spread out. Only a small percentage of areas have shops you can actually walk to. Another side factor of this is since you have to drive to shop, you tend to stock up and buy more, and also buy items that will last for a week. You cannot buy fresh vegetables for a whole week and expect them to stay fresh. All of you who are looking to lose a few, I wish you the best and hope you stay with it!!!

Thread: Aygaz - street sounds near Sultan Ahmet

669.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 11:09 pm Quoting MarioninTurkey: Hey Roswitha, what a lovely nostalgic post. I can still remember the song: Aygaz de-de-de! For those who are newer to Turkey: we use bottled gas for certain things, and the truck loaded with bottles would drive down the streets playing his song, so you knew you could lean out of the window and shout to him to bring you a new gaz tüpü up. I use past tense because, sadly, a lot of neighborhoods in Istanbul have banned the song due to noise pollution! The guy still drives round, but no tune any more.... I think the old days were much better! Not banned in Fulya. You can hear the Aygaz tune several times a day with additional cries of, "suuuuuuuuu" walk down Fulya Caddessi the next time you visit Cehavir and you can relive nostalgia...

Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

670.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 11:00 pm or trade the mini-van in for the two-seater...

Thread: I hate a belly dance

671.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:51 pm definitely not on candy stripers..... (bless their hearts)

Thread: I hate a belly dance

672.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:39 pm Tea, your full of surpises today. Pole dancing and candy strippers....

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673.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:18 pm can I be the waiter at your meetings???

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

674.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:09 pm Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: these foreign girls are with 5 or 6 waiters a week! I don't blame him for not believeing you... 5 or 6 on a slow week!! I'm going to quit my job at Enka and become a turkish waiter!!!! you wont be as good as turkish yes...its a pity turkish women don't like foreign men....

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

675.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:03 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: these foreign girls are with 5 or 6 waiters a week! I don't blame him for not believeing you... 5 or 6 on a slow week!! I'm going to quit my job at Enka and become a turkish waiter!!!!

Thread: I hate a belly dance

676.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:02 pm your just toooo good to me....

Thread: I hate a belly dance

677.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 10:00 pm Quoting Trudy: Quoting KeithL: Trudy, I purposally did not single anyone out here. I let the minds of the readers to determine their own guilt. Do you feel a little guilty?? Nope. Guilty of what? Don't liking porn? No again. me neither...

Thread: I hate a belly dance

678.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 09:58 pm Trudy, I purposally did not single anyone out here. I let the minds of the readers to determine their own guilt. Do you feel a little guilty??

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

679.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 09:56 pm these foreign girls are with 5 or 6 waiters a week! I don't blame him for not believeing you...

Thread: I hate a belly dance

680.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 09:51 pm For women that pretend to believe in freedom and equality so much, I find it interesting that you have chosen to demean women of any nationality who choose to dance this way. Don't women have the freedom of choice here? Why don't you attack the stripper industry first in your own countries and when your places are so purified, you may then attack the belly-dancers. I will also point out that I only know the whereabouts of a few places in istanbul that even have belly dancing shows. The interesting part of this is that all the customers are foreigners and all the dancers are russian and molovian!!! Newpapers and porn. Show me where pornography is so freely for sale in istanbul. Not at the newspaper kiosks that I have ever seen. I have been all over europe and you can purchase porn as easily as chewing gum. Anyone who thinks porn is so readily available has obviously never been here....

Thread: I hate a belly dance

681.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 08:54 pm "imaginging Shakira as a barn dancing cow....." wow, that's sexy!!!

Thread: I hate a belly dance

682.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 08:50 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Just my opinion....I never met a man who found belly dancing particularly sexy! Personally I find it a bit ermmm (literally!) stomach churning ..... Shakira???

Thread: I hate a belly dance

683.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 08:18 pm I don't really want to enter this argument but I do have one explanation FF. Somehow, you made a correlation of turkish women on this site and turkish women on the internet in general. This is not a reasonable assumption in correlations studies. There are certainly a handful of turkish women on this site, but why would you expect turkish women to frequent a site for learning turkish? I have many female turkish friends and I assure you, they all are computer and internet literate. Turkey is certainly a diverse country and the women here cannot be painted with such a broad brush...

Thread: informal thoughts on breakfast

684.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 05:46 pm The Nickleodeon cartoons just don't translate well into turkish. Too much of the humor is American subculture, so its just not as funny..

Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

685.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Oct 2007 Mon 05:41 pm Quoting Gabbriy: Hmmm very interesting how near to none of all of your posts resemble to the topic. As for love, I believe that no matter what circumstance, you will love that person no matter what problems they may have outside of how much they love you in return. Moving from man to man to find your soul mate or discrasing one for bad sex is a disgrace to one's body, one's heart, and even one's soul. Lucky for you Gabbriy that you have solved life's problems at such a young age. The rest of us seem to still be floundering in the mystery's of life. Seriously though, I don't think many people truly know what love is until they get in there 20's. I look back at the silly romances I had from the time I was 16 to 22 and I laugh to think that maybe i thought I loved any of them at the time. Life experiences are the ultimate education and the only way to be educated by these experiences is through time. I would discourage nearly every young person to not marry until they are at least 25. Give yourself a better chance at a happy and full life by knowing who you are as an individual first before compromising part of your identity to become part of a couple. I can't think of a bigger mistake that a person can make than marrying too young.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

686.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Sep 2007 Sat 12:06 am I hope so too. On a personal level, I like Gül and think he is a good maan.

Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

687.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Sep 2007 Sat 12:03 am I think everyone should make the personal choices that are best for them and not judge "or hope" for others to do the same as they do. A 16 year old "hoping" that a group of educated adults remain celibate seems a little much at this website...

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

688.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 11:47 pm Why is it wrong? I respect the right of the AK parti do govern after winning a fair election. At the same time, there is nothing wrong in keeping an eye on the system to make sure Turkey is progessing and not regressing. Politically, Turkey is so polarized that a political atmosphere resembling the 70's seems present. No one wants a repeat of the left/right street wars of this period.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

689.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 10:05 pm as I said, it was only a wild guess....

Thread: Good & Bad Luck Superstitions

690.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 10:02 pm in DaVinci's last supper, Judas spilled the salt. One source that I am aware of.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

691.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:17 pm There are incidents of police brutality in Taksim all the time. Don't remember the circumstances but earlier this year or late last year, they caught a big policeman punching and shoving an older man (with his wife) in a beyoglu cafe. The video was all over the news for a few days.

Thread: help please

692.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 09:14 pm A few off the top of my head.... These boots were made for walking, Nancy Sinatra The song is over, The Who Fuck off and die, Green Day I don't care anymore, Phil Collins Don't come around here no more, Tom Petty Don't go away mad, just go away, Motley Crue March of the pigs, 9 inch nails Good Luck!!!

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

693.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:47 pm Quoting Serdar07: Welcome to the death of civil rights now as it is happening in Iraq for some years now! That's just the beginning Turikish friends and who knows what is coming later? These everythings including killings in the sake of God in Iraq... you know what was Iraq before 30 years ago? This is why turkish constitution and responsibilities of the military to the state are so important. This is a situation unique only to Turkey which is why the western nations have a hard time understanding.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

694.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:37 pm Quoting eddie: Catholicism is a 'Religion'... Christianity is not ...it is a Relationship with God - a very personal one. I'm going to take a wild guess here but I bet you like George Bush. Am I wrong?

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

695.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:33 pm thehandsom, Read the forums maybe before posting. A question was asked and I answered it...

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

696.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:22 pm Quoting eddie: Christians have no such religious rules..just the Bible. Catholics are the only Christian sect with rules??? Now thats interesting.....

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

697.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 08:06 pm This is a broad generalization but the Christians and Jews who live here do not to seem overly religous to me. Most of the Jews in istanbul live in Sisli, and it does not appear to me that they observe the sabbath. The Italian Catholic Church is usually empty on Sundays and the masses are very short and simple. The orthodox churches are spread out all over the city. But again, if I pass one, I never think to myself there is alot of activity in them during the week or on Sundays.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

698.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:57 pm Turkey is over 99% muslim of course. And throughout the country, there are regions that are more religous than others. In Istanbul, Beyoglu and Taksim are know for nightlife. Everyone knows this, practicing muslims and non-practicing muslims alike know this. So anyone that chooses to visit this area (even during Ramazan), they should expect to see people that are not fasting. I do agree that you should respect the area that you are in. Most areas of Istanbul, it would not be appropriate during Ramazan to drink water, smoke or eat in public. But Istiklal is not one of these places....

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

699.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 07:26 pm Quoting eddie: For the sake of those around this poor guy, he should have used better judgement and simply not drank during this holy time....' Ramadan '. People are serious about their faith. I've worked in Saudi and while there , during Ramadan, I simply conformed to their way of life....easy. When in Rome...and better yet...ESPECIALLY IF you ARE from Rome.... Do as the Romans do....Discipline yourself.... This is Taksim, the tourist district. It is not possible to walk down Istiklal and not see people eating, drinking and smoking... Please don't compare Istanbul to Saudi. This is the dream of all the anti-secularists...

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

700.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 06:29 pm I don't know why this story should be so surprising though. Erdogan went to jail when he was mayor of Istanbul for ignoring secular laws among other crimes against the state.

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

701.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 06:27 pm one source story in turkish

Thread: Erdogan's AK Parti Storm Troopers

702.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 05:39 pm This is what we get if we allow AK Parti to relax secularism in Turkey... September 25, 2007 A new incident of torture and attack is recorded against the Beyoğlu police in Istanbul. Özkan Kuru, a university senior student was enjoying a beer in the most popular restaurant region at the heart of Istanbul, İstiklal street when he was suddenly surrounded by uniformed policemen. They threw his beer bottle on the ground and broke it, asking him why he was drinking in Ramadan. After throwing his food on the ground also, the police took his cigarette and extinguished it as well. Then they said, “Your hair style is not traditional Turkish, and how come you don’t know you can not drink in Ramadan?” Then they started beating the university student. When that wasn’t enough, they sprayed him with pepper spray. After arresting and dragging him to the police car, Özkan Kuru was taken to a quiet place behind some stores. He recalls, “They beat me up there and stole the 150 Euros I had in my pocket. He said he did not think that people should be attacked because of how their hair looks or if they eat or drink anytime. Mr. Kuru has taken his case to the Human Rights Association and he has been treated for his injuries in the hands of the fundamentalist police. Turkey claims to be a secular country yet many state authorities ignore the law and force their religious beliefs upon others. Özkan Kuru is seeking justice and is demanding an investigation of the incident while pursuing his case also through the Human Rights Association.

Thread: informal thoughts on Turkish Class

703.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Sep 2007 Fri 05:21 pm Bush drunk at a wedding in 1992 Bush drunk at a wedding

Thread: informal thoughts on Turkish Class

704.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Sep 2007 Thu 09:14 pm Quoting vineyards: Many Polish friends I chatted online curse Turks. With so many Balkan countries cursing Turks (for example when you are playing a computer game) passes for a routine salutation which is solemnly made. They say (including some Kazakhs) Hey ....... Turk .... get the hell out of here. I rarely see any Turks showing this kind of a reaction to them. I believe their brains are washed in their families and in the churches they go. This problem is more evident among teenagers who don't know yet any systematic ways to exercise their hatred. Nevertheless, there is a full district called Polonezköy in Istanbul. Our sultan opened up the doors to thousands of them in their difficult times. Today, all those Polish settlers enjoy a very good life in their new home. It is unbelievable why an avarage Pole should hate a Turk because our history is full of accounts of our troops helping them out of besieges and attacks. The same is true for the Jews too. We did make a number of outrageous mistakes too. For the time being none has been proven and research continues with all sorts of claims being made. Today I am chatting with one Kazakh and a Polish girl whose only problem seem to be the anti western sentiment in Turkey. To put the record straight, I do have lots of friends in the Western world and I am a fan of their music, culture and heritage. What I am against is the nationalistic policies the so called falcons in American are following. For example, did any one of the debaters here ever read the National Defense Doctrine of the US government. After reading it you will realize why Bush can be categorized alongside Hitler. Because even Hitler could not dare pass such an aggressive defense doctrine in his hey day. I agree with this. I have worked in Greece and Yugoslavia in the years before I came to Turkey. I had no association whatsoever with Turkey and any Turks at that time and I was shocked at how deep and widespread the hatred (masking as jealousy) of Turkey was. So many blame all the problems of their life on what happened in their lands 100+ years ago. Even while I was in university in the states, I went to school with Greeks, Serbs and Croats. This was the mid 80's and even then, the word turk was not spoken without a deragatory adjective in front of it.

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705.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Sep 2007 Thu 09:06 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting vineyards: Yes, after reading this I should be mad at you and flame you because I consider Ataturk as a national hero and you are adding it on the same list with Stalin, Hitler and Bush. Sorry, I thought and decided I am not that cheap. I made a number of very serious accusations to you. You did not want to answer them and now looking to have a chance to get even. Vineyards, as opposed to you, I'm not here to fight with you. I also consider Ataturk a national hero as well as one of the greatest leaders that ever existed. That doesn't mean that he wasn't a nationalist. I understand why he began the nationalism in Turkey, but I think that Turkish people didn't carry on with Ataturk's ideas and are stagnated in a way. I'm sure that if Ataturk was alive now, he'd curb the nationalism and begin a more open-minded movement. And by the way, Bush should NOT be compared to Hitler or Stalin either!!! the words for Hitler and stalin should not be nationalist but fascist. very big difference...

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706.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Sep 2007 Thu 09:04 pm Quoting catwoman: Quoting teaschip1: My only comment of course is to reference Bush in the same context as Hitler and Stalin. Just thought it was a little extreme. Yes, I agree. If you're adding milder nationalists you should definitely add Ataturk before Bush. even I agree with that...

Thread: To refraise this, lets talk about love.

707.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Sep 2007 Thu 03:55 pm Quoting Gabbriy: Very interesting. ^ ^ So everyone agrees with marrage? That's good. I hope you believe in not having sex until marriage too? you must be from the Bible Belt Gabbriy...

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708.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Sep 2007 Sun 08:37 am of all my bad habits, smoking hs never been one of them...

Thread: Mocking sexism! :D

709.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 11:46 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Here is an old "Good House Keeping" Article from 1955. It talks about how to be a good housewife. The Good Wife's Guide From Housekeeping Monthly, 13 May, 1955. Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready on time for his return. This is a way of letting him know that you have be thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they get home and the prospect of a good meal is part of the warm welcome needed. Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives. Run a dustcloth over the tables. During the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too. After all, catering to his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction. Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum. Encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him. Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first - remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours. Don't greet him with complaints and problems. Don't complain if he's late for dinner or even if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through at work. Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or lie him down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing and pleasant voice. Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgment or integrity. Remember, he is the master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him. A good wife always knows her place. Exactly! Why is it hard to be a good wife? The manual is written!!!

Thread: informal thoughts on breakfast

710.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 10:56 pm Quoting pagliaccio: It is now time for the world to have breakfast and make love! no doubt....Pags, the voice of calm here???? I love lazy weekends. Kapici has left the bread and the newspaper in the bag on my door. Breakfast no earlier than 10.30. Maybe lay back in bed for a while with your significant other. And then the whole day to go out in the streets and enjoy the day...

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711.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 10:20 pm maybe the word "truth" is not appropriate here. I think "version" is less confrontational. So maybe there is the muslim version of the story and the spanish version of the story. Similarly, I know that the Ottomans take credit for rescuing Jews from persecution in Spain during the 1500's or 1600's. Anyway, 2 sides to every story is what she means here.

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712.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 09:09 pm The Americans had no choice but to invade Iraq? Before bring down Al_Quada? Before bringing down the Taliban? Before capturing bin Ladin? Mr. Rumsfeld, are you posing as a teenage girl in Cincinnati by chance?

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713.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 09:02 pm Yes, London reaped the benefits. They had their underground bombed for helping W illegaly invade Iraq without the agreement of the worldwide UN Community. A charter rule by the way that the united states placed in the original UN Charter.

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714.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 08:52 pm Tea...... you must be blind I swear to God..... read above...... I agreed clinton accomplished nothing in Iraq...... but you said it was his job to finish..... which it wasn't.... even Bush the 1st agrees with this..... Your poor miserable husband.......

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715.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 07:24 pm Quoting teaschip1: The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said. Too bad he never accomplished this... I agree, clinton did not accomplish anything in Iraq. But he did not start it as you stated he did. This is where what you say loses all credibility. Additionally, its obvious that not only has nothing been accomplished in Iraq under "GW"'s presidency, it has gotten exponentially worse.

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716.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 07:21 pm Maybe your too young to remember, so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The first gulf war was from 1990-1991. George Herbert Walker Bush was America's President. (And a good President in my opionion.) During Bill Clinton's Presidency, the US enforced the no-fly zone established by Bush and Powell. So if in your opinion it was Bill Clinton's obligation to finish something, it would have been to finish what the first Bush started. This was a popular belief in America at the time but I 100% supported President Bush and Colin Powell's decision to not overthrow the Iraqi government.

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717.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 07:07 pm Tea, one point at a time then, because it seems my longer posts confuse you. Educate me please!! You said clearly, "Clinton should have finished what he started in Iraq" Tell me and the rest of TLC, what did Clinton start that needed finishing???

Thread: Can I be a sociopath?

718.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 05:38 pm Quoting vineyards: Hi. this is Akin I am a psycho and I hate your guts. If I associate with a known and admitted psycho, does that make me a psycho???

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719.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 05:29 pm Tea, One, I never attacked you personally Two, I attacked your views and lack of education, historical knowlege and political awareness Three, I am a Roman Catholic Christian, so your holier than though nonsense can be wasted on others, not me. Four, I asked simple questions that you are unable to answer so you ignored them and attacked me instead. To be clear, this is just a couple of items you said that gives the USA a bad name abroad. "Clinton should have finished what he started in Iraq." Bill Clinton was the governor of arkansas when george bush invaded iraq and wisely decided not to overthrow saddam or occupy baghdad. You agreed with a statement that muslim countries need to be conquered and that their citizens need to be forcefully converted to christianity. This is typical, selfish, my way or the highway american views. Don't apologize to me. You should be apologizing to our muslim friends at this site and also to your high school civics teacher...

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720.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 02:36 pm done!!

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721.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 04:16 am one of my favorite albums, Wynton Marsalis, Magesty of the Blues...

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722.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 01:27 am Minnesota, of course!! The only state to never vote for a right-wing conservative for President.

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723.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 01:16 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: My gang is accepting applications... do americans apply too? Of course. I love intelligent, open-minded Americans. Almost as much as I love sharp tongued, opinionated Boratistan women...

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724.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 01:11 am Quoting SuiGeneris: such a teaser to Teaschip... following the interview, they all received "I love hannity" bumperstickers....

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725.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 01:02 am My gang is accepting applications...

Thread: Is the UK going mad?

726.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 01:00 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: maybe because i notice active converts only from europe? so far the girls from TC whom i ve known as converts were robin, kai, azade, there was olivia too And why does it bother you? where have you noticed my bother? these are facts! the other facts i know those women convert because of their olive skin and dark eyes handsomes. so have you known any american on TC converting to islam? i was talking to keith about the converts, he was bothered that some americans were planning to convert muslims to christianity i.e. a total bluff i just wondered if keith believes this bluff or he just stirs the pot or tries to defend his points at any cost I believe in freedom of religion and personal choice. Does not bother me at all that people change. Its there business, not mine.

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727.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Sep 2007 Fri 12:05 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: Quoting Trudy: What are you doing here? Scoring off eachother? Showing who can tell the best anti-stories? Oofff, what a kindergarten suddenly! converting all muslims to Christianity is just ridiculous. It deserves a harsh response... how about the other way round? Muslims that want to invade western countries, kill their leaders and convert people to islam is also wrong. it deserves a harsh response...

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728.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 11:58 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Is the US going mad? Should we follow their example? The first American Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison has openly compared President George W. Bush to Hitler and said that he might be responsible for 9/11 attacks. Keith is from Minneapolis by the way. I highly doubt this one is on the mark. If you have a source, let me know. The thing about the cab drivers in Minneapolis is true. And they are being fought all the way.

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729.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 11:56 pm Quoting Trudy: What are you doing here? Scoring off eachother? Showing who can tell the best anti-stories? Oofff, what a kindergarten suddenly! I like a good debate on real issues, I won't lie. But talk of converting all muslims to Christianity is just ridiculous. It deserves a harsh response...

Thread: informal thoughts on breakfast

730.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 07:50 pm Quoting catwoman: However, the Bush supporters are a small minority by now, so I don't know if it's "more and more".... I pray to God thats true catwoman. But its still so shocking to see all the stupid americans that blindly support him. All the senseless deaths over the last 6 years. For what? And then these same morons have the gaul to criticize Clinton about cheating on his wife. Do I need to create a thread about the deviant behavior of Republicans? Again, these stupid people listen to talk radio ll day and get brain-washed by idiots like Hannity, like Rush and they believe every f@#$%^&# word that these guys say. They don't have brains to think on their own. So they believe these liars and all the BS evil they spew. Its no different than my German people in the 20's and 30's buying into all the crap the goerring was spewing. And the people that knew it was crap then were too cowardly to speak out. So, me, and people like me, are not going to sit back and let intolerant, racism go unchecked.

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731.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 07:28 pm I am very pro-American. But not the stupid brand of Americanism that I see of my people more and more all the time. Examples of this that I have seen in general and on this site: Hating/fearing all things islamic. Believing that Bush and the conservative republicans have blanket ownership of moral values.

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732.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 05:34 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Oh don't bother with HER Keith - she is just an All-American girl. Now, more importantly ....CAN YOU COOK A GOOD BREAKFAST? Not only am I a great cook (breakfast included), I also don't sleep late so chances are, breakfast is ready the second you wake up. Afiyet Olson...

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733.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 05:29 pm I never made any assumptions. Agreeing with a woman media person in America who thinks we should invade muslim countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity is dangerous and immoral. Reverse the words christian and muslim (islam) in that sentence and I think people in America might consider that a terroristic comment. Publishing that statement in the newspaper might even get one arrested under the patriot act. One more thing. Are you aware of what religion people that live in Turkey are by the way????

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734.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 04:35 pm Me? I'm the kind of person that doesn't believe talk radio propaganda that says we need to make the world one big "Christian Club". Thats the kind of person I am. And I'm also the kind of person that knows that not all members of the Repubican Party are moral and not all members of the Democratic Party are immoral. But I know thats not what is "taught" by Hannity...

Thread: Why do European girls love Turkish man?

735.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 12:52 am I've learned that turkish women don't like the methods of turkish men....

Thread: Why do European girls love Turkish man?

736.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Sep 2007 Thu 12:46 am I think it comes down to this... Not all women, but some women enjoy the über attention. I know of no men in the world as persistent as turkish guys. A turkish guy will hit on 10 women a day. Or, he will hit on the same woman 10 times. A foreign girl, she comes to turkey, and she is not used to being looked at so much. Or she is not used to being approached so much. AND this flatters her. So evntually, whether its the 50th guy that has approached her, or its the same guy the 50th time, eventually she wears down and says yes....

Thread: informal thoughts on breakfast

737.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 11:06 pm This might be the only issue that I disagree with Ataturk on. Ataturk never ate breakfast. Personally, I think maybe he was too hung over to eat.... Perfect breakfast for me: tea, (not bag) white cheese fresh bread strawberry jam, fresh breakfast salad (tomatoes, cucumbers, parsley, mint, olive oil and lemon juice) on occasion sucuk

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738.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 10:52 pm Quoting teaschip1: Well of course Clinton had no morality. He had 3 chances to bring in Bin Laden and failed to do this. What about Saddam, he also never finished what he started in Iraq. He also signed a 1996 bill making life more difficult for undocumented immigrants, while at the same time choosing to make it possible for millions more to enter the country and face horrific exploitation at the hands of U.S. corporations. What about his failures of the healthcare reform. But what the heck the economy was good, so who cares if he didn't have morals and a backbone.. And I'll ask more from your posts. 1. If you are angry at Clinton for not taking Bin Ladin out, why are you not angry at Bush for not going after Bin ladin 6 years post 9/11? 2. Finished what he started? Did Clinton start Gulf war I? I always thought that was Bush I. I'll set down my crack pipe... 3. He did fail health care. He tried to push it through but the opposition in congress didn't back him. I am also disappointed this didn't happen. Why didn't the republicans back him? Are you saying you supported Clinton's health proposal back then?

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739.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 10:48 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: I'm not looking for an argument either. just an answer It was suggested that Clinton was a bad President. I only asked why? Other than the sex incident. Also, please refresh my memory where I stated he was a bad president? I'll refresh your memory on what I asked. I asked you where Bill Clinton failed you as a President. Other than anything to do with his blowjob from Monica Lewinski, I genuinely want to know what you think.

Thread: chess!!

740.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 10:39 pm I love chess! Count me in..

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741.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 10:38 pm Quoting teaschip1: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. Yes.....it's the truth. Anyone who says this or agrees with this is a complete mental and moral zero...

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742.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 09:21 pm I'm not looking for an argument either. just an answer It was suggested that Clinton was a bad President. I only asked why? Other than the sex incident.

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743.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 09:18 pm and like I said earlier, rather than address the real issue of the question, "why do you dislike Clinton?" the tables are turned on Turkey's bad economy. Seriously, are the topics related somehow?

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744.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 09:10 pm How stupid of me. It is Clinton's fault for the plight of the turkish economy, isnt it?

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745.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:59 pm Quoting catwoman: Do you think that housing or unemployment is better in Turkey, for example? With a little fact-finding, you would have found that Turkey is among the highest home ownership rates in the world. And since until recently, all homes were paid for in cash up front, there were zero foreclosures since there were no mortgages. Try again catwoman. You can do better

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746.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:55 pm I didnt ask for an obscure, article trashing Clinton. I asked what you and tea personally don't like about Clinton and how he screwed up america. Ask most anti-bushies and we can rattle these off by the handful without having to resort to "googling". "You don't need to think, let hannity and limbaugh do the thinking for you"

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747.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:36 pm Quoting teaschip1: Well let's see, simply stated he sits next to Andrew Johnson as far as the two Presidents in American history who were impeached by the U.S. House of Representatives. At least Nixon had the dignity to resign before he was impeached. I could write out a least of his failures as well. As far as unemployment, do you really know anything about unemployment it basically does not exsist here in the U.S. I'm not sure where your getting your figures from, but they are not accurate. Have you ever heard of people spending way too much. I guess you want to blame the President for peoples vehicles getting repoed, are you serious? His impeachment was a game by republicans? Did they force him out? Of course not. His impeachment was politically motivated by the insane republican party. He was impeached over a blowjob for Christ's sake!!! If you believe that was worthy of impeachment, then certainly lying about the war in iraq and WMD is worthy of impeachment also. Thank God the dems had more morals than the republicans to sink so low. So I knew your answer would be about the blowjob. What else would it be? Can you come up with a second reason?

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748.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 07:07 pm I always ask this question to "Bill-haters" and their answers are usually ridiculous. If they answer at all. The honest answer for many uninformed Americans might be, "because Hannity and Limbaugh told me to hate them". I would at least respect their honesty.

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749.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 06:50 pm Tea, Honestly, tell me what you hate most about bill clinton. where did he fail you as a President?

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750.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 06:49 pm More problems than now? Home foreclosures at a 20 year high? Unemployment at a 20 year high? Vehicle reposession at a 20 year high? How much worse is it going to get?

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751.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 06:37 pm and as far as being gone too long, I hated Limbaugh and Hannity before I left. And I didnt hate Bush until it was obvious he lied about WMD. I supported the Irak War until this was exposed and powell resigned. Powell was the only person in the administration with honor...

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752.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 06:25 pm Quoting teaschip1: And I take it, you would believe who wrote this article John Podesta, former Chief of Staff to President Clinton is honorable and trustworthy...hmm interesting. I think you have been away to long. No mention of Hillary, huh? Let me guess a Carey, Edwards fan? John Podesta doesn't have the exposure that Hannity has so he is insignificant. Hannity lies to America everyday. I'm a moderate conservative in the line of Dole, Reagan and Mccane. Not like the "nazi-conservatives" that currently occupy the white house. By the way, I never voted for Clinton, but in hindsite, he did a great job. He was much more republican in his policy than a democrat.

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753.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 05:45 pm Quoting teaschip1: You would love my bumper sticker then KeithL... I have been Hannitized... If you feel that Fox News is unfair and unbalanced, my goodness look at CNN for example and other networks. I might as well get my tie dyes back out and vote for my girlfriend Hillary. I may even move to Turkey then. There are slants in the media, and then there are liars in the media. Hannity is a liar just as bad as Rush Limbaugh, if not worse. Please don't tell me your a "dittohead" too!!! Just a few lies your boy Hannity as thrown out over the years... Just a few lies by hannity

Thread: Why do European girls love Turkish man?

754.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 04:36 pm Quoting izah: You misunderstand the meaning of my message. If you wan't to discuss what you post here you could better post it at Pam Coo's thread. I'd like to hear from others what's in the subject: "Why do European girls love Turkish man?" Anybody? Maybe European guys don't "put out"...

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755.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 04:34 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting girleegirl: Ohh yeah sure then you hit the spam button and I'm outta here.....nice try...but you can't get rid of me THAT easy!! Nooo!! Nooooo!! i dont have any spam... and my life is abit empty without spam i feel lost why didn't you ask earlier?? Spam Button

Thread: What kind of person would you fall in love with, if you ever did? Post Opinions!

756.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Sep 2007 Wed 05:32 am before i respond, how old are you?

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757.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Sep 2007 Tue 09:08 pm Quoting femme_fatal: the warm bath is a dream and the cold world is the reality. why do european women love turkish boys? i think most of those women had no luck in their cold world, therefore they go on a cheap hunting (considering turkey is pretty cheap and pleasant, tourist-oriented place to holiday). whenever you come you will always find a male falling in love with you no matter you're ugly or old or stupid, what matters is you are a foreign, preferrably from the west or any other wealthy country. why do european women love turkish boys? turkish boys promise european women: all the stars on the sky, the sun and the moon, all the songs all the love stories and all the blah-blah. and women do love LOVE stories. cheers +1

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758.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Sep 2007 Tue 09:07 pm all these additional comments have nothing to do with the Fox News story. Fox News is incredible for telling misleading stories that favor "Bush politics'. this story follows that agenda. Anti-muslim.

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759.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Sep 2007 Tue 08:57 pm I agree with deli 100%. My experience is the same, but reversed. I was planning on working in Turkey only 2 years. But life does end after work in the states also. The streets in America are boring. Everyone is isolated in their cars. My friends and family back home think I'm making a huge mistake by staying so long. But really, my 6 years in Istanbul have been some of the best of my life. I will be deeply saddened when the day comes (sooner than later) that I will go back to Minneapolis for good. But I will take back with me some of the best memories of my life.

Thread: The thingamajig that is called microphone

760.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Sep 2007 Tue 12:01 am maybe your internet girlfriend just doesnt like the sound of your voice? or maybe its your words? who knows...

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

761.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 11:58 pm just what is he expecting thi microphone to do???

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762.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 07:22 pm oops, its Catwoman that needs to try harder.

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763.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 07:20 pm You have to try harder next time trudy. Maybe ask for some tips from femme!!

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764.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 06:50 pm Quoting AEnigma III: In that case, please don't jump onto the gutter press "anti muslim" bandwagon. To put this story in context. (1) The police officer did NOT ASK to be excused from guarding the Israeli Embassy. To be precise, he made his superiors aware of certain personal factors. His superiors then did a risk assessment and took the decision accordingly. (2) He had already been working at the embassy for some time before he made the request, which was solely based on increasing tension and media attention at the embassy. (3) This is not about moral objection but simply protecting one's family. This man has family in the Lebanon and Syria who were receiving televised news from outside the embassy. I cannot verify Aenigma's facts here, but if true, typical anti-muslim Fox journalism. I hate them with a passion. If an assignment were putting an officers family at risk, what police staff wouldn't reassign the officer to another duty. Common sense to me. Fox news is dangerous for America!!!

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765.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 06:47 pm I hate Fox News with a passion. Always the buzzwords to appeal to narrow-minded, politically unaware Americans, who blindly vote for Bush-like candidates... Eurabia? Nice word. They should patent it... But, I do agree with the facts of the story. If cop doesn't want to perform his assignment, he should be suspended from duty...

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766.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Sep 2007 Mon 12:49 pm the server is in the US

Thread: Not sure where to go from here

767.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Sep 2007 Sat 11:00 pm I have friends that are faculty at Ankara and Bogazici Universities. I will find out early in the week and get back to you.

Thread: Did I miss a 9-11 thread??

768.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Sep 2007 Sat 12:46 am see how good I am to you??

Thread: lets see how that story will end..

769.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Sep 2007 Sat 12:43 am I think aa sniper leaps out of the shadows suddenly of course and ends Pagliacco's role in this story

Thread: Did I miss a 9-11 thread??

770.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Sep 2007 Sat 12:38 am Quoting femme_fatal: Keith you suach pot stirrer bitching the TC again? you better all thank God for i didnt take part in this discussion i see the sweet girls from the West finally have learned to speak up for themselves the western girls suddenly stopped criticising the west and saw the light OMG, the world has gone crazy (i started speaking like canli) You think your the only one who can start a fire here FF??? But you are the best

Thread: right now i want...

771.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:58 pm Quoting geniuda: right now I want to replace this office chair for an airplane seat with a destination to Turkey ok ok I am only daydreaming I should go back to reality and keep working You don't have to dream. Prices are cheap now. I am flying next week from Minneapolis, $350 one-way.

Thread: The YES-corner

772.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:55 pm then I have no guilty pleasures to share then... And if i don't feel guilty, are they really guilty pleasures anyway?

Thread: Did I miss a 9-11 thread??

773.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:54 pm I won't even go into the "bush response". Jackass.... but the thousands of people that were crushed to death, or the people onboard as they saw the towers coming. Its still so surreal!

Thread: Did I miss a 9-11 thread??

774.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:46 pm I will admit myself, I remember the day so clearly and really thought there would never be a day that would go by that I didn't think about it. But, like everyone else it seems, we have moved on... Same in Britain for 7/7?

Thread: The YES-corner

775.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:44 pm Quoting AEnigma III: YES! To internet grocery shopping. Sitting with my feet up drinking tea while someone goes round the supermarket getting my shopping is HEAVEN! Delivery about 7pm....bliss Honestly, I love to grocery shop. One of may favorite nightly activities on the way home from work.

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

776.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:43 pm Watched a classic alan arkin-peter faul movie last night, "The In-Laws" Absolutely fabulous comedy!!!

Thread: Did I miss a 9-11 thread??

777.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 08:41 pm I was thinking about this all week actually. Was very surprised there wasn't a mention of the 9/11 anniversary this week. I don't find it good or bad, just interesting...

Thread: What is your mood today..?

778.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 05:21 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: I received my 5th cast on my arm since April 8 today. Insanity can't be far off... Why so many casts, if you don't mind me asking? It was basketball actually back on April 8th. Hockey is much safer. Broke 2 bones, my radius and scaphoid in my right wrist. Finally had 2 surgeries in the last fews weeks and they put two 25mm pins in my wrist and grafted bone from my hip. No pain, but can't use the right hand for another 11 weeks.

Thread: iyi geceler...günaydın...

779.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 01:03 am guten nacht

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

780.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 01:00 am I don't wear the same thong, I promise...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

781.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:57 am Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting KeithL: actually.... much better with Soy Sauce... Aha! THAT'S why you are single! you think thats the only reason????

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

782.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:56 am I love Chinese Food while watching classic movies...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

783.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:52 am I love Chinese Food!

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

784.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:52 am actually.... much better with Soy Sauce...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

785.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:52 am I'm just kidding......

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

786.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:51 am I love cats, they go great with hot sauce...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

787.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:51 am Who is going to be the first to trash me.... but

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

788.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:40 am I told you, I don't like criticism...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

789.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:26 am and single....

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

790.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Sep 2007 Fri 12:25 am Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: if you criticise you learn to accept others criticising Happy to accept criticism from people WHO KNOW me vice versa from me Unable to take criticism? I hate criticism. Thats why I'm self-employed.

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

791.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 09:44 pm Quoting femme_fatal: BORAT my dear FF.... i've been waiting for you to say that one!!!

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

792.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 05:49 pm Not exactly a great movie, but entertaining enough. "About a boy" with Hugh Grant. Comes to mind only because it seems thats how I've been living my life the last couple months. Minus the pretending I had a teenage son part of course....

Thread: The YES-corner

793.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 05:41 pm Quoting teaschip1: YES to helping me paint and move, please.. you moving to another city or staying in the same city?

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

794.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 01:28 am Quoting femme_fatal: not missing keithl I'm around too much for you to miss me...

Thread: What made you smile today :)

795.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 01:27 am Quoting libralady: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting libralady: Quoting KeithL: makes me believe this whole "pain of pregnancy" thing is a scam too..... You asking for a fight?? I think he needs a darn good verbal thrashing, at least!! Perhaps that is what he is hoping for - except take out the "verbal" You are so on to me LL. Am i so obvious??

Thread: What made you smile today :)

796.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 01:26 am Quoting libralady: Quoting KeithL: makes me believe this whole "pain of pregnancy" thing is a scam too..... You asking for a fight?? They said things were getting boring. I'm just trying to help out!!!

Thread: Grrrrrrr - What is bugging you today?!

797.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Sep 2007 Thu 12:33 am Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting libralady: Now if there was a "no farting" sign I could understand............. HAHAHAHAHA. Or 'No sweating', its a human process, but a very bad one when being put all together in one train! A no smelling car would be a welcome addition to the Istanbul Metro System!!! (And I don't mean gas)

Thread: What made you smile today :)

798.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 08:32 pm

Thread: What made you smile today :)

799.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 08:31 pm makes me believe this whole "pain of pregnancy" thing is a scam too.....

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

800.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 08:09 pm Quoting KeithL: Lawrence of Arabia Dr. Zhivago Der Untergang (maybe the best war movie I've ever seen) Godfather 2 Slapshot first 5 off the top of my head..... I have to add: Sound of Music Its a Wonderful Life Berlin Alexanderplatz Casablaca Fargo

Thread: Vote ..Plz

801.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:56 pm No will be simpler for you

Thread: What made you smile today :)

802.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:53 pm Quoting pagliaccio: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting pagliaccio: Quoting AEnigma III: poisonous ! Awwww! You are sooooo tempting, Aenigma! Marry me? Congratulations!!!! This is the 28394038273 proposal you have made on TC Good, but still not enough! The aim is to reach at the preliminary 9,999,999,999,999 th proposal! You may want to double that number to increase the chances of someone actually saying yes!

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

803.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:48 pm if they would just leave me alone....as femme said, I'm much to weak to defend myself...

Thread: What made you smile today :)

804.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:41 pm Quoting pagliaccio: Quoting AEnigma III: poisonous ! Awwww! You are sooooo tempting, Aenigma! Marry me? Please no, I can't handle anymore people hating you Pagliaccio...

Thread: What is your mood today..?

805.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:31 pm but it's my right hand. And I'm right-handed!!!

Thread: Has the world gone mad?

806.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:24 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting ciko: Quoting Elisabeth: Please don't get me wrong. I love my child, but there isn't a car in the world that would make me have another one!!! well if they gave me a Porsche ,i would make even myself pregnant if it was possible scientifically I would give you a Porshe myself if you could do figure out how to be pregnant!! Houston, we have a problem..... ...and its called mismatched plumbing Elizabeth!

Thread: What is your mood today..?

807.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:21 pm I received my 5th cast on my arm since April 8 today. Insanity can't be far off...

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

808.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:19 pm I think she has enjoyed her summer to much to be bothered by the internet...

Thread: Has the world gone mad?

809.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:15 pm and me??? I would gladly spend my day that way for much less!!!

Thread: Describing users

810.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 07:13 pm Quoting elham: Describing users by smiley AEnigma .... Ciko ........ AlphaF ...... pagliaccio .. :-S femme ........ CANLI ........ mrX67 ......... : Roswitha ..... mylo.......... deli ......... serdaro7 ...... eddi............ libralady ...... alameda......... Ayla........... catwoman...... Ninja ......... portokal....... How could you give that to sweet Roswitha??? I love her contributions!

Thread: Describing users

811.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 12:13 am FF..... Your such a pot stirrer... She is taking out her ......"frustration".....out on all us poor souls here to learn and share our love for the turkish language. I won't say anymore...

Thread: Describing users

812.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Sep 2007 Wed 12:09 am Quoting femme_fatal: KeithL, pretends to be a turk, hmmm, and it works not bad actually i've been thinking he was a turk. often neutral, sometimes is not strong enough to stand up for his viewpoints Its this broken arm....I'll start lifting weights as soon as I heal...

Thread: What is your mood today..?

813.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Sep 2007 Tue 11:43 pm incrediblly bored........

Thread: tebrik için Ramadhan

814.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Sep 2007 Tue 10:56 pm Thank God for the recent cool weather in Istanbul at the start of Ramazan...Hot weather and fasting is a bad combination...

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

815.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Sep 2007 Tue 10:40 pm Quoting girleegirl: The Notebook Braveheart The Princess Bride Shawshank Redemption To Kill a Mockingbird Roman Holiday Bridges of Madison County Young Frankenstein On the Waterfront Bonnie and Clyde Young Frankensten...absoultely in my top 10!

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

816.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Sep 2007 Tue 10:37 pm Quoting Elisabeth: Too many to name, but some of mine are: Moulin Rouge Last King of Scotland The Jerk Schultze Gets the Blues Life is Beautiful Shakesphear in Love Little Miss Sunshine The Royal Tenebaums I have to say Elizabeth, I so much wanted to like "Schultze gets the blues" but I just couldn't. I thought the premise was great but it just missed something for me. Little Miss Sunshine had some of the funniest scenes I've ever seen, but at the same time, it was really disturbing. The ending really made me wish for two hours of my life back. Life is beautiful? Absolutely brilliant movie.

Thread: Your Favorite Movies are...

817.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Sep 2007 Tue 10:30 pm Lawrence of Arabia Dr. Zhivago Der Untergang (maybe the best war movie I've ever seen) Godfather 2 Slapshot first 5 off the top of my head.....

Thread: present for the mother-in-law

818.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Sep 2007 Mon 06:31 am i was sooooo hoping this was the "old thread" with new life.... Rakı and cigarettes!!!

Thread: Ankara nightlife

819.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Sep 2007 Tue 02:29 pm this could be TLC's shortest thread ever!!!! If you can't find a place to go out in Izmir, your not looking!!!

Thread: Nightlife in İstanbul!!!

820.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Sep 2007 Tue 02:20 pm Quoting ciko: offffffff i am living in Taksim ( Tunel) but i hardly go out at nights i am so tired of sound of Taksim. and and i think at least 900 ones of 950 bars in taksim are crap and and.. ermmm i swear i will kill one of those street musicians that foreigners love to watch they play same songs every single night.grrrrrrrrrrrrrr i like neither daylife ( ijust made this word up) nor nightlife here .. maybe just because i love being home :-S I agree with you ciko. I probably go to Takism 6 times a year now. Its just too crowded. And by the way, this could be another thread. Things we hate in taksim. For me, its the bird whistle guy that has been playing "The Godfather" theme for the last 7 years... Learn a new song for God's sake!!!

Thread: Nightlife in İstanbul!!!

821.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Sep 2007 Tue 02:17 pm Quoting Elisa: Quoting kurtlovesgrunge: Just off the main thoroughfare to Tepebasý, sits the James Joyce, arguably the best Irish pub in the area. Although such bars are usually on the list of places to avoid for all except the terminally homesick, exactly my thought! Why go to a place like that in a city where options are unlimited... Oh maybe it's just me and my prejudiced old mind, but for me an Irish pub would be the last place to go to in Istanbul.. All the rock bars in taksim and beyoglu are imitating the west. This place for 2 years had the best bands in istanbul, bar none. Another great place was (and maybe still is) is kemanci. And that place didnt have a 1:1 policy, they had about a 5:1 policy. % women for every man.

Thread: Nightlife in İstanbul!!!

822.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Sep 2007 Tue 05:57 am Quoting kurtlovesgrunge: Just off the main thoroughfare to Tepebasý, sits the James Joyce, arguably the best Irish pub in the area. Although such bars are usually on the list of places to avoid for all except the terminally homesick, this pub tends to rustle-up a spirited atmosphere and offers possibly the best full- size pool table around. 2002 and 2003, the old James Joyce (behind the french consulate) was the best bar in Taksim. Great bands, great crowds, those were some fun days. The pub lost its atmosphere when it moved.

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

823.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:56 pm its across the street from the McDonalds. I think also there is a restaurant and hotel across the street (Divan's)? The inside of the store is dark reddish brown wood walls. the guy is a thief though...

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

824.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:50 pm Sorry to dissapoint you. There is the american grocery store in Bibek that I'm sure you are aware of. But they don't have dairy products.

Thread: cultural relationships

825.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:48 pm I agree with you Elizabeth. Bridging religous differences is difficult if you both hold your religion dearly. but even more difficult is if and when a couple like yourself has children. Very difficult decisions indeed. Are you living in turkey or texas by the way? Christian holidays are not that great when you are in turkey.

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

826.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:41 pm peanut oil is great to cook with actually. Great flavor, but i don't think its very healthy. Thats what all the movie cinemas used to cook their popcorn in to make it so good.

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

827.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:38 pm I saw you went to Austria. How was your trip? The thing from Austria I miss is the Stiegl bier from Salzburg. One of my favorites.

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

828.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:35 pm Quoting AEnigma III: Sounds like an american cake recipe NOT a Turkish recipe, so why is it posted here? Anyway...I can't be bothered to convert "cups" to metric....and what the hell is "salad oil"? I would assume the oil would have to be corn oil or sunflower oil. You couldn't put olive oil in a cake. but at the same time, I would never put corn oil or sunflower oil on my salad. A bit confusing...

Thread: HEEYY.. 18 MINUTE CAKE..

829.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2007 Fri 07:33 pm Quoting MarioninTurkey: Where in Turkey do we get buttermilk and marshmallows?? I thought that same thing when I read the recipe the first time.

Thread: 11th President of the Republic.

830.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Aug 2007 Wed 01:25 pm Quoting MrX67: a new politcal term starting on our great country,and things will be more democratical,more secualr,more productive and more understanding then ever... inşallah...

Thread: 11th President of the Republic.

831.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Aug 2007 Wed 04:22 am Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting KeithL: well, he's not President, nor wil he be.... That would be impossible. Want to eat your words Keith? get the gallows ready...

Thread: Anyone going to Istanbul this December 07?

832.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Aug 2007 Mon 11:02 pm Oh Bod, I hate to question you, but we had to inform you where Beyoglu was this spring!!!! We need to entrust the party location to someone else I think. And invite Bod and his entourage of course...

Thread: to be religious or to be ethical ,which one is priority?

833.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2007 Fri 07:00 pm It shouldn't be so surprising that there are conflicts within Islam. What religion doesnt? The Hebrew religion of course have their "left and right". And look at all the bloodshed (Christain against Christian) in the name of Deity and devotion. Again, these conflicts were always more about power than Jesus the Christ.

Thread: to be religious or to be ethical ,which one is priority?

834.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2007 Fri 06:48 pm The funny thing is, the Bible and the Koran have so many similarities. The percepted difference between Islam and Christianity and Islam are more political then philosophy. Its amazing how much more Islam is accepted in Canada than in the United States. "We" fear what we don't know. More education all around is the key to all our "differences". (Am I in the right thread?)

Thread: Learn English in 5 Days!!

835.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2007 Thu 09:49 pm Seriously though, the people at this course that have the most success were the ones with a history of learning english. So they had some basic vocabulary, just not speaking ability. It is interesting.

Thread: Learn English in 5 Days!!

836.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2007 Thu 09:48 pm Their slogan is.... "We have ways to make you talk...."

Thread: is it typical?

837.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2007 Thu 09:47 pm There are not many places in America i would consider living. Texas is not one of them. There are pockets of civilization there (usually people that moved there from somewhere else) but it is one of our most backwards states. For starters, look at the execution rate. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that...

Thread: DEDİKODU .

838.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Aug 2007 Wed 03:53 pm Its summertime. People are busy and out with friends. I would hope people have more of a life away from their computer. When the weather turns cool again, I think we will see more people here again.

Thread: How indulgent you are to the net?

839.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Aug 2007 Fri 03:18 pm not if your wife wears a headscarf!!

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

840.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Aug 2007 Fri 12:03 pm Elitist??? I like that title. I am going to put that on my business cards for now on. Thanks for the appointment AIII!!

Thread: Genç parti

841.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Aug 2007 Fri 12:37 am Quoting caliptrix: And do you think a party information can be objective and far from discussion, in real meaning? As an example: I will answer for the question of Genç Party. Genç Party's leader is Cem Uzan. His all family are wanted because of the biggest robberies of Nokia, Motorola, İmar Bank and many more robbery fact. How interesting is, only Cem Uzan has no possession in the company, and he only could be in political arena. They made their robberies so geniously, now the whole family live in other countries such as Jordan, but Cem Uzan can live free and defend (!) his family. And the whole robbery insurance were paid by state (it means: Turkish people lost their money as their tax because Uzan family robbed many companies and people, and state had to pay them all). Although we cannot find him guilty, it is very clear what he would do if he had the resources of statement. What an objective answer I guess that was what you wanted. Everyone knows he's a thief, thats why he recieved no support. And the first election he ran in, his commercials were so loud. He was like a clown.

Thread: men

842.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 10:57 pm Quoting Badiabdancer74: If an American guy or woman tells you he loves you after a few days, he is considered PSYCHO and you drop them immediately. Or you figure they are saying that to get you to have sex with them. Two thumbs up!!!

Thread: bringing bacon

843.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 10:55 pm Bacon in Turkey is horrible though. Hope its better in the UK. cant imagine eating the stuff on a regular basis...

Thread: What food would you miss??

844.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 10:45 pm when in Turkey, I miss (from the US) real vanilla ice cream angus beef steak peanut butter (a thief in Bibek sells it for 20 YTL a jar) milk eggs

Thread: What food would you miss??

845.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 10:43 pm When in the US, I miss (from Turkey): white cheese (by far the biggest thing I miss) simple daily bread simit iskender hamsi

Thread: bringing bacon

846.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 06:30 pm How are you going to bring meat without it going bad? Anyway, most countries, its against the law to bring meat or dairy products in your luggage.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

847.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 11:55 am well, i'll still take the virtual cup i guess. Thank you.

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

848.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 11:54 am I just noticed kai's name has been removed. Does she have a ghost here still or is she really gone?

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

849.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 11:52 am Quoting AEnigma III: Fancy a coffee anyone? I just made a pot do you deliver?

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

850.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 11:44 am Quoting KeithL: Emin Çölaşan So is this what we have to look forward to as Tayyip consolidates power? This is a disgrace... (couldn't do the correct text in the title by the way, sorry) This thread really started about freedom of the press, which I consider a pillar of a country's democracy. When Büyükanıt made his position on secularism known in April, I supported him. But, if he would have pressured the media to sack those press members that criticisized him, he would have lost my support. No middle eastern country to this point has survived on its own with a purely democratic government. Turkey is not in that position either...yet. The need for Kemalism and the rejection of islamic law influenced style government is just as crucial today as it was 80 years ago. Turkey will find its own way.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

851.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Aug 2007 Thu 04:58 am Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting mltm: A Sharia state: "We know better than any muslim about how to be a good muslim" You are just scare-mongering Meltie I dont believe for a minute that Turkish want such a state thats not true. i have many employees who wish for such a thing...its sad

Thread: Nations

852.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 11:41 pm Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: siberia Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr hey! its not an island my dear! its a huge land, continent! fresh air, bears greating in the morning, deers watching you in the river when you take a bath. a pure paradise! come and see yourself! Sounds like minnesota to me.

Thread: What is the most special thing you did for love?(2)

853.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 11:39 pm Quoting femme_fatal: i did nothing! absolutely nothing! I don't believe that!!!

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

854.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 11:36 pm That's Mr. Kemalist to you....

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

855.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 09:32 pm Because I dont want ny AK Parti member to be president... Their agenda is not in line with the constitution and they will try to change it.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

856.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 09:19 pm Actually, I like Gül. I think he is a good man. I wonder what Yaşar thinks about him?

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

857.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 09:07 pm It wont be erdogan, what are you talking about?

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

858.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 09:01 pm well, he's not President, nor wil he be.... That would be impossible.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

859.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 08:59 pm military service is the law in turkey. not talking about a child here, he's a man.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

860.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 08:52 pm I'm free speech. Freedom of the press.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

861.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 08:39 pm Just so you know, I supported the "e-coup" also. And I am not the only Hurriyet reader that finds it disgusting that he was forced out. yes, there are others who criticize tayyip in print, but none bigger. The AK Parti is making an example of him to scare other writers.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

862.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 07:16 pm this story is new. much more will come out...

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

863.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 07:10 pm http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-28264.html short blurb on it in english

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

864.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 06:51 pm He is one of Turkey's most popular journalists. He has written anti-tayyip articles in the past and recently wrote an article about tayyip's son avoiding military service. Tayyip pressured Hurriyet into firing him.

Thread: Emin Colasan fired...

865.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Aug 2007 Wed 06:41 pm Emin Çölaşan So is this what we have to look forward to as Tayyip consolidates power? This is a disgrace... (couldn't do the correct text in the title by the way, sorry)

Thread: No water in Ankara!

866.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Aug 2007 Tue 10:35 pm His main point was that the bottled water is cheap, so why not drink good tasting water. I'm paying 7 YTL for 20 liter bottle. The water in the taps, its OK for brushing teeth, etc. But it is full of chlorine and particles, so for drinking, its just not as good. It doesnt leave a taste on the vegetables you clean, but I never use it to make cay or coffee.

Thread: İ knew it when....

867.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Aug 2007 Tue 09:37 pm tears of joy??

Thread: Forum pls translate ........

868.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Aug 2007 Tue 07:02 pm Good luck with your adventures into turkish eddie. Best place for you to start as a newbee would be the lesssons. http://www.turkishclass.com/basicMain.php

Thread: Let The West Talk !

869.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Aug 2007 Tue 06:48 pm My parents and I moved from Surheim, Bavaria to a small village town west of Minneapolis a month before my 5th birthday. It was at that time made up of all German immigrants, my family being one of the last German families to immigrate there. Then and to this day, most of our community life revolves around the church and the outdoors. Sundays, you went to mass in the morning (still in German) and afterwards, either my mother or another relative would make sunday dinner for 20-30 people. Was always 2 meats, a ham and a beef roast, several hot dishes (known as casseroles in the rest of america), homemade bread and desserts. The women would be in the kitchen, the men would be in the garage or the backyard and the kids would be everywhere. During the week, mother would make 3 or 4 meals everyday. We started each day with a breakfast of bread, cheese, eggs and jams before my father went to work. My mother would then start cooking for dinner about 1.00 for the nightly dinner which was always meat, potatos, a vegetable, homemade bread and dessert. We would usually eat this about 17.00. We would then have a small dinner each night before bed (between 10.00 and 11.0, much like breakfast. Bread, cold meats, cheeses and coffee. Most nights, we would have friends over , a neighbor or other family members. The area was full of lakes and woods, so then as today, our daily life was greatly affected by the outdoors and nature. We fished year round, 3 or 4 days a week in our canoes or off shore. In the winter, we drilled holes in the thick ice and built small houses on the lakes so we could fish in temperatures as cold as -40 and -50. When we werent fishing we were skating and playing hockey. Holidays were much the same as Sunday dinners except rather than 30 people gathering, it was closer to 60. Christmas and Easter was always ham, with German style sidedishes. And of course our traditional Thanksgiving dinner was Turkey like all other Americans. During the summers, our area of minnesota was one festival after another, almost always with a German Theme. Every town had 2 or 3 festivals in the summer and fall so other than our own, we would go to other towns on saturdays for events such as bayernfest, sommerfest, zummerfest, Stiftungsfest, Oktoberfest.

Thread: Let The West Talk !

870.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:44 pm I agree with you canli, you cannot judge other cultures of what we see on TV. They only show the very best or very worst. Not the real.

Thread: Let The West Talk !

871.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:42 pm Its easy to point out horrible generalizations iof other cultures. Is this how you wish the western world that cant afford to travel to see "your world"?

Thread: Let The West Talk !

872.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Aug 2007 Mon 07:30 pm Quoting CANLI: But not having traditions,and if there is,then not respecting it,not being kind with same members of the family,worshiping the material world,and not careing of anyone except yourself,and if you are a bit good,you care about your small family as well. Living just for yourself,and not caring about others,looking for your own interests even if its going to harm the others. Not helping anyone,and just mind in your own business. Swearing,using bad words,and that makes you cool. İ have Cousins live in Canada,they start to hear voices coming from their neighbours apartment,then some hard voices,and the wife start to scream. My cousin run quickly to them trying to help the woman,at same time his sister 'which was in Canada for couple of years before him'she tried to stop him,but his Eastern manners took him and he went and knocked the door try to help the lady,at the end the husband threatened him that he will call the police ! Thats some snap shots of how we see Westerns,thats what we know about you,and what Media telling us. Some is true,and some is not,so the idea is telling us what is real,what is good and we dont know . And by the way,Japan is far East,when was it West ?! And its quite different from the Western life style too. OK Canli, I live in a very muslim Istanbul area (Fulya). All I have to do is walk up my street and materialism worship is right there for me at the new Cehavir Mall. Afternoon television is nothing but "frikiks" on the daily talkshows. I walk the streets everyday, I have trained my ears to block out the daily vulgarities I hear on the street. My neighbors fight, I hear yelling. Read Page 2 of the newspaper and it details all the domestic fights that went to far (usually with knives). There is good everywhere, there is bad everywhere. You can choose to see and listen to whatever message you choose. But don't paint the "ordinary" western world as any worse than the places you hold dear.

Thread: Cost of living

873.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Aug 2007 Mon 05:35 pm Quoting kat007: Someone told me the average income of a local is $1000 liras and that is considered good. :-S The low wages is around $500-600 liras. $1500 liras a month is considered really good. A representative makes around $7,000 liras month (someone confirmed this?). What do you mean a represenative?

Thread: Small trip help please

874.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Aug 2007 Sun 12:05 pm There is a nice beach area closer than Sinop. Its called Karuso. Sinop is farther than Ankara, so even in your own car I think its over 8 hours at least (from Istanbul). So by bus it would be 12 hours or more. Caruso by car is 4 hours at the most, 6 hours by bus.

Thread: A political party that didn\\\

875.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:31 pm I would almost translate equivalent to "Party of Life"

Thread: A political party that didn\\\

876.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Aug 2007 Thu 10:22 pm Ekmek doesn't only mean simply bread though. I think the meaning is more than that. I had some friends from Slovenija that were working here a few years ago and they always insisted on going to the "Corn" Bizarre.

Thread: Engagements

877.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Aug 2007 Thu 09:16 pm Quoting mltm: Usually the devoted muslims put their marriage rings on their right hand. There is a very practical reason for this too. think about it...

Thread: ist- antlaya fly

878.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Aug 2007 Thu 12:31 am 40 minutes is very tight. It will be easy for you to find the domestic terminal. If there are many of you on the plane going to Antalya, generally they will delay the flight so you can board. If not, there are many flight each day from Ist to Antalya if you miss it. All the signs in the airport are in turkish and english. The task that will take the longest is clearing customs. But they have done a good job establishing "lanes" in customs clearance so people go through quickly and efficiently. It wasn't that long ago that clearing customs was a "free for all".

Thread: word "hafiz"

879.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:47 pm no, I just live here, but no turkish blood.

Thread: word "hafiz"

880.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:43 pm are you being funny?

Thread: Dentists !!

881.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:23 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: i think this is one of the best dental hospitals in Turkey http://www.dentistanbul.com.tr/dentistb2c/MainPage.aspx?dil=en I pass one of their offices on Barboros on my way to work each day. First time I saw it I thought it was very clever marketing.

Thread: word "hafiz"

882.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 11:20 pm Quoting cynicmystic: Quoting KeithL: These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools. I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant. Since you ask, I am lucky enough to work in many regions of Turkey and Turks love to discuss politics (as do I). So, in addition to hearing this from people I know, yes, I read it too.

Thread: Day to day conversation

883.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 09:13 pm Quoting reBooped: Quoting Trudy: Quoting catwoman: Quoting qdemir: The most common female related one: (Bu gece olmaz.) Başım ağrıyor. : (Not tonight) I have a headache. please update this phrase with a proper beginning: "you stink and repel me, of course not tonight! you know... "I have a headache"... (and probably never, I'm already sleeping with somebody else, you loser)." ....speaking as a woman, which I am..I think that if the man is a good lover there are likely to be less headaches +1

Thread: Dentists !!

884.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Aug 2007 Wed 05:15 pm I have had all my dental work for the past 5 or 6 years done in Beşiktaş. Prices seem to be about 20% of what I would normally pay in the US. And the quality of the work is excellent.

Thread: word "hafiz"

885.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2007 Tue 09:58 pm Just thought some people might find it interesting. If you don't, ignore it....

Thread: word "hafiz"

886.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2007 Tue 09:43 pm These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.

Thread: What's the best meal you have cooked lately?

887.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2007 Tue 07:50 pm Ok, last night, Chicken kebabs, rice, fried zucchini and leftover eggplant. Tonight I'm making yogurt soup.

Thread: What's the best meal you have cooked lately?

888.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2007 Tue 07:48 pm I have never tried that Roswitha bt I don't think very similar.

Thread: Formula G 2007 Solar Car Races!!

889.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jul 2007 Tue 07:43 pm Great job Yavuz!

Thread: Istanbul places to live???

890.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 07:41 pm I think the best place for a foreigner to live when they first move here is Cihangir. Its close to everything. There are many other foreigners that live there. So they can get used to the city slowly before they decide to move somewhere else. Keep in mind that cihangir is expensive too though.

Thread: Istanbul places to live???

891.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 07:39 pm Whats to argue about? The european side has all the tourist sites. Topkapi, Sultan Ahmet, Aya Sofiya, Taksim, the palaces, the airport. But with that, they also get the traffic and the crowds. For day to day life (if you can afford it) Asian side is much better, more normal.

Thread: Istanbul places to live???

892.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 07:16 pm I agree with you Marion. Asian side is much better "to live". Maybe when the tunnel is complete in a few years, I would love to move to bostanci, feneroglu anywhere along the sea. But I also recommend that foreigners should live on the european side for a while before they move to asian side. just my opinion.

Thread: Istanbul places to live???

893.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 07:11 pm don't move to beşiktaş or fulya. All the new buildings are blocking my view!

Thread: High Life expectancy...really a blessing?

894.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 07:07 pm It all depends on when you want to retire. You need to invest differently if you want to retire at 45 then if you want to retire at 65. I'm not totally in command with all the laws in Turkey, but I know many companies in Turkey force you to retire after 20 years working, so many of these people are in their 40's when they stop working. The Turkish pension is not enough so you need to either get another job, or have saved enough money to live on. Many here buy flats as they work in life and then either continue to rent them or sell them when they retire. But I think your other question is why would you want to live a long life? You are young so have a different outlook than me. I am closer to 40 than to 20 so I assure you I want to live another 40 years at least! Inşallah...

Thread: High Life expectancy...really a blessing?

895.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jul 2007 Mon 05:51 pm When I finished University, one of the first things I did was get a $20,000 life insurance policy. Why burden my parents with expenses if I die unexpectedly? When you get married and have a family, you need to have enough coverage to care for them if you were to die (unexpectedly). Once your children are gone, you can reduce the amount of the coverage and your payments are cheap. The sooner you get insurance in life, the cheaper it will be when you really need it (in your 40's and 50's). So really, at each stage of your life, you can get cost effective insuarnce that will provide for the expenses that you will leave behind. The mistake many make is buying the insurance that is an investment rather than "insurance". This is a scam and highly profitable for insurance salesman.

Thread: What so amazing about Turkey?

896.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Jul 2007 Fri 08:45 pm I know this feeling well (read my very first post from 2005). Nothing has changed for me since then, except a few years older. Its something that you can't put into words and its certainly nothing that anyone whom has never been here can ever understand.

Thread: Anyone who likes a challenge!

897.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Jul 2007 Thu 06:43 pm I think traveling by train is great. What a great romantic trip that would be if you had enough time to make the stops in each city.

Thread: an advise for men

898.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Jul 2007 Thu 03:52 am Honestly, whats the point of this thread? Talking politics, history, current events, thats one thing. But why do we need threads specifically for harassment of other members? Aren't there some borders of good taste?

Thread: What's the best meal you have cooked lately?

899.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Jul 2007 Wed 12:03 am I have been slacking the last months since my arm has been in plaster, but i did have a nice BBQ party a few weeks ago. I served beef köfte (Bosna style), chicken şiş, garlic roasted potatos, çoban salatasi, Patlican Salatasi (roasted eggplant), caçik and açili ezmesi. Of course we also had a few bottles of Yeni Rakı and lots of Molson Canadian. Your typical outdoor bbq but looking for some new ideas... Anyone?

Thread: thanks from me

900.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 11:32 pm There is a difference between hating Americans and hating American political policy. I think the disdain for the current American policy is a constant in almost every nation in the world right now. Turkey is not the only member of this non-exclusive club. The only time that I see instances of resentment of foreigners here is when jobs go to foreigners. I think this resentment is also worldwide with natives and foreigners, regardless of country.

Thread: Recipient Unknown

901.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 10:04 pm Quoting teaschip1: KeithL, you are just too much for words. So, once again go back and reread my posts, did I not say that Ataturk was Turkeys Hero. Did, I not say I had respect for their hero? Did I not agree with Vineyard on his following statements? Hmm, let's pick and choose what words we want to distort here. You and your buddy seem to do alot of this. See you in jail... You did say that....but only after you said this. "nor do I believe "Ataturk" is a national hero. My point was if insulting Ataturk is a crime in Turkey, there are plenty of Turkish citizens who are hyprocitical about not respecting other world leaders." I don't know what your arguing about. Anyone can plainly see what you wrote. And now you are denying you said it in the first plaace. If you would have never made this ridiculous statement, I woundn't have felt compelled to correct you.

Thread: Recipient Unknown

902.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 08:40 pm Quoting teaschip1: So, stating my words are "twisted" isn't a personal attack? Hmm, ok if you say so. :-S Would you prefer "illegal" or "dangerous", because what you said is both. Pull out your thesaurus and I will let you choose a word.

Thread: Recipient Unknown

903.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 08:09 pm CNN Expert, I love that!!! See, this is a personal attack, not a comment on anything I have ever said. This is the difference between me and you I think. I keep my comments to what someone actually says. Once and for all, I do not work for CNN. It is only the page that opens when I start my computer. And I am proud to call Akin a friend. So yes, I am guilty of being a complete supporter of the ideals of the Turkish Constitution.

Thread: Day to day conversation

904.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 07:44 pm Bekarlik sultanliktir...

Thread: Day to day conversation

905.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 07:40 pm Quoting AlphaF: COMPLEMENTARY SENTENCES: (What you really need for a meaningful conversation !) YINE MI SABAH OLDU? Is it morning again? GECE HIC UYUYAMADIM I could not sleep at all last night BU SABAH KAHVALTI YOK. There is no breakfast this morning. BERBAT BIR GUN ! What a lousy day ! GITMEDEN BULASIKLARI YIKA. Do the dishes before you leave. AKSAM EVE ERKEN GEL Be home early tonight YINE MI SANA PARA LAZIM? You need money again? +1000

Thread: Recipient Unknown

906.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 07:31 pm Well since you publicly stated that M. Kemal Ataturk is not a national hero (because your American friends don't know who he is), its no wonder you are happy Vineyards won't be posting any longer. I can't even imagine how you feel he twisted your words. Your words are pretty twisted all by themselves without any help from others...

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

907.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:56 pm I wasn't comparing Ataturk to Jesus as people. My point is that on a Christian website, it is going to get the general public upset by criticizing Jesus. You will get the same reaction from Turks by criticizing Ataturk. His powerful legacy is the reason behind the massive demonstations this summer.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

908.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:48 pm But don't forget one significant point. The statement in her post is a crime in Turkey. I don't think the "owner" of this site keeps this site going only to get it banned from Turkish internet providers. I know that sound extreme, but this is true.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

909.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:45 pm I guess I'm a bit naive then. To me this site has always been more than a place just to learn turkish.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

910.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:34 pm Again, this site is about promoting Turkey and she is a site administrator. Even her quote stating that the raeson Turks shouldn't get VISA's is because "they don't go home" might be a little inapropriate for a person in her position.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

911.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:31 pm I read her post, and I read it the same way as Akin and Aslı. I read it as a statement, not a sarcastic question. Furthermore, if it wasn't so damaging, why did she delete it rather than leave it and explain it?

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

912.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:19 pm I think the most damaging part is that catwoman deleted her posts that crossed the line. Its easy now to say what she meant to say because its not here to be judged any longer. Believe me, I criticisize something about Istanbul every day. The traffic, the air pollution, the hills, the traffic.... But making comments to criticize Ataturk is different. This would be similar to being on a Christian discussion board and damning Jesus.

Thread: My family do not agree

913.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 06:50 am You can make a face, but what is wrong with protecting your children? If you think they are making a mistake, you have to tell them.

Thread: My family do not agree

914.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 06:04 am Why is this racism? If I had a son that was marrying a woman much older than himself, I would also try to prevent it. Not to harm the woman, but to protect my son. Marraige is hard enough as it is. This age difference will at some point become a negative to a marraige. Its just not smart. I agree with whoever said it earlier. Focus on your kids and don't fantasize about a fantasy romance on the other side of the globe.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

915.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:22 am And just so the site managers are aware, making the statement that "Kemalism" is a created, western evil is criminal in Turkey. I would expect comments like these to be made by those that oppose Turkey, not by those who are here supposedly promoting it.

Thread: Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey

916.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:16 am Quoting jenk: Hi vineyards, no need to quit your membership..There has been a total misunderstanding here. I also apologize in lieu of everyone here.. Please stay..We need you here...You have made a great contribution to this website with translations and cultural informations.. please stay... I can assure you that Akin will not be coming back. He is one of the finest people I know and I believe that no matter what the conversation (in person or on-line) his aim is never to ridicule or insult anyone unless he has been insulted first. I too think that he is the greatest loss of this site in a long time. Most of his on-line posting was helping others, not politics. Good luck filling the good work he did here.

Thread: Recipient Unknown

917.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:20 am When you gou out to eat alone, do you ask for a table for 6? And who buys?

Thread: Recipient Unknown

918.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:20 am and quasimodo?

Thread: Elections.....

919.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:17 am Quoting MarioninTurkey: Keith Thanks for the clarification ... your profile lists your home page as CNNTurk ...! Can I call on you if I have any engineering problems??? Even if we exclude constitutional changes, a government can ensure a whole raft of policies become law. Their vote increased the reduction in seats came from MHP crossing the barrage this time. As foreigners we just have to hope for the best outcome for Turkey in all of this. The next time you are constructing a power generation facility, let me know and I will give you a great discount. Erdogan has been in power for years now. There was no real protest to his governing until he decided to attempt to become President. This is a constitutaional item. So I do not have a problem with AK Parti as long as they leave the constitution alone.

Thread: Elections.....

920.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:04 pm I work for a very large Turkish engineering firm actually, not CNN. Again, I don't think anyone expected AK Parti to lose its control of Parliament. So it was a matter if they would pick up seats. In fact, they lost 27 seats, so this is what I find encouraging. The change in Constitutional Amendments are the items I feel were most important. They lost ground in their attempt to make these changes so this is why I feel comfortable with the outcome.

Thread: Elections.....

921.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:55 pm Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I didn't expect the AK Parti to lose in the elections. The big question in my mind was how much they would gain. The fact that they did not get over 50% of the votes and do not have enough votes in Parliament to act alone is a victory for Turkey and security for secularism. The AK Parti now needs to act responsibly and put forward a candidate for President that will receive the necessary votes to govern.

Thread: Patata Salata

922.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 06:44 pm Quoting MarioninTurkey: Sorry, Jenk, I guess this is an "in joke" between the British and the Americans. We say we invented English, and then they took it over and changed all the words. They say they took a broken language from us and fixed it. Pretty confusing for people who learn British English and then go to America, or those who learn American English and go to the UK. We (UK) call a patlıcan an aubergine. They (US) call it an egg plant. If Im in a restaurant with an American and say aubergine they look at me weird and say "huh?". If they understand Turkish and I say patlıcan we dont argue. Another example of Turkey uniting the nations Well, your male intellects still wear wigs so we can let the world decide who is fixing what...

Thread: Recipient Unknown

923.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 06:26 pm does somebody have a new nickname???

Thread: besiktas

924.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 05:17 pm Quoting ninen22: Ok, where do i buy the tickets? there is a site where you can buy them, but i dont live in turkey and it doesnt feel so safe. If you go to the game with a turkish friend you will be fine. I think BJK İnönü Stadium is safer in general than Ali Sami Yen Stadium.

Thread: anyone coming to Turkey???

925.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 05:12 pm the last I saw of him he is still under the F.S.M. Bridge with his rakı bottle

Thread: Elections.....

926.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 05:00 pm Quoting wmalone: There is a very informative article in the Austin, Texas newspaper describing the political parties of Turkey and indicating that the AKP party would win the elections. Why does that sound like such an oxy-moron???

Thread: is it true?

927.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jul 2007 Mon 04:58 pm Quoting rainny: How many wives can a man marry at one time in Turkey?Someone said a Turkish man can marry 4 women.Is it true? Thank you for your reply. only 1 legally. But since AK Parti is still in power, this may change

Thread: Spam mail or real?

928.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 10:49 pm you mean from lisa78_4lgeogil@yahoo.com? I'm sure she/he/it is a very nice person/program/whatever.

Thread: Istanbuls most overlooked top 10 tourist sites

929.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 10:27 pm Yes, there is a great cafe right next to Rumeli hisar with a great Bogaz view. We go there often on weekends for breakfast.

Thread: Wish for the existance of God

930.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 10:14 pm Quoting CirqueDuSoleil: teaschip - I have commited genocide somewhere unknown, seen many dead bodies lying on the ground, and just come here. I am now fearing, suffering, and suffering twinge of conscience. I am losing my balance and hardly standing. Take me by hand, will you teaschip?, or I will fall. put down the raki bottle Quasi...

Thread: Istanbuls most overlooked top 10 tourist sites

931.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 10:05 pm I have never given too many of my favorite places away, but I'll give two more. I always enjoy Belgrade Forest (its better if you have a car). No better place to picnic and hang out in the woods for day. And the other is Sariyer, at the far north end of the Bogaz. There is a small village just to the north of it too, but its a nice getaway for a day to get away from the busy streets of Istanbul.

Thread: Istanbuls most overlooked top 10 tourist sites

932.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 09:54 pm Another great place is the area surrounding Kadikoy Harbor. Lots of great cafes in the area, nice parks along the waterfront. Looking forward to getting on the basketball courts there again when my wrist heals.

Thread: Istanbuls most overlooked top 10 tourist sites

933.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 09:49 pm Quoting Culture Smart: My favorites places on the Asian side to go to with my friends and guests: 1. Büyük Çamlıca -enjoy the tea garden and view of the european side 2. Beylerbeyi area is great for small cafes and a fish meal 3. Hidiv Kasrı - The art deco palace of the last Khedive of Eqypt. Set in woods above the Bosphorus. I love the red velvet seats in the elevtor. 4. Tema Park- A visit there helps support Turkey's anti-erosion campaign and it has a wonderful view and lovely plants. 5. Zoo at Darıca (Past Tuzla) 6. Kadıköy Hot Air Ballon ride 7. Salı Pazarı - A huge street market on Tuesdays in Kadıköy. 8. Anadolu Hısarı - Pretty small castle, boats moored by stream, very picturesque. 9. Kanlıca - the place in Istanbul to have yogurt. 10. Greenhouse - Lots of English books on Turkey and to learn Turkish, plus many others. Great for children too! You could easily spend hours there! Come and enjoy life on the Asian side - away from all the usual tourist traps. I have to agree with you on Buyuk Camlica. I enjoy the tea garden there and the small pizar. Off the beaten path for sure.

Thread: In need of English books? Event: BIG SALE

934.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jul 2007 Fri 09:47 pm Quoting aenigma x: Ermmmm advertising your business? . Not sure if thats ethical on this website... I agree. Those of us who live here appreciate learning of new places, but I feel like you are beating us over the head with it. We got the message. Good luck with your businesss.

Thread: To who regarded me as their friend

935.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2007 Wed 11:34 pm and who is in this gang? should i be scared?

Thread: Girls :)

936.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jul 2007 Wed 11:33 pm Quoting summi: woow what a topic I have been thinking the some thing!

Thread: Missing persons at tc...

937.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 08:00 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting *Carla Louise*: Aww thank you! I've never been welcomed back by anyone before Nor have I...but for very different reasons maybe is your nose growing now?

Thread: 3 songs you hate the most!

938.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 06:28 pm Quoting karekin04: Quoting KeithL: Ted Nugent thank you, i think your welcome

Thread: 3 songs you hate the most!

939.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 06:09 pm Ted Nugent

Thread: a question to our moderator

940.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 04:37 am Quoting teaschip1: Well, when I think of a nation, I think of one nation under God. My mistake! As for international hereos, I think we maybe in the presence of a few here in Turkish Class. Thank you, other than my modesty, my international heroism is my best quality!!!

Thread: 3 songs you hate the most!

941.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 01:06 am Quoting aenigma x: ...and a 4th ...this lovely little song I came across one day (check out the lyrics!!!!) Wives and Lovers - Jack Jones/Frank Sinatra Oh my God, I have a new favorite song!!! Songs I hate? Anything by Air Supply. Or REO Speedwagon.

Thread: a question to our moderator

942.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 12:53 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting KeithL: and whom does she flatter??? hehehe OK...too nosey.

Thread: a question to our moderator

943.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jul 2007 Tue 12:39 am Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting aenigma x: Ouh hell! Lucky I only said good things then Turkey will let me come back! hahaha this is good! blessed be you are for flattering! Heyyyyyyyy! I am the LAST person here to flatter!!! I just dont have any problem with Ataturk! Watch it foamy! didnt say you falttered ataturk! but hmmm you do flatter , you do! you know whom! you know! and who does she flatter???

Thread: a question to our moderator

944.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 11:49 pm Quoting femme_fatal: so one of our main don juans was deleted from TC because of insulting ataturk? does then TC function as per the turkish laws in turkey? You-tube was temporarily banned in Turkey for crimes against the constitution earlier this year. If TLC did not enforce this rule, it too could be banned in Turkey.

Thread: a question to our moderator

945.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 11:47 pm Quoting KeithL: but just to clarify, if a group of a few Americans are not aware of someone's existence, they couldn't possible be important.... This was sarcasm by the way. Again, I don't expect people to have in depth, detailed knowlege of all other countries history's. However, when you offer a differing opinion on a subject of another country's War of Independence, I do expect you to have a base amount of knowlege of what you are discussing.

Thread: a question to our moderator

946.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:55 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting KeithL: but just to clarify, if a group of a few Americans are not aware of someone's existence, they couldn't possible be important.... You made that statement, not me KeithL. It's also not a few Americans, you expect everyone to know who "Ataturk" was. I'm afraid your sadly mistaken by this. Once again, off the subject from my original post here. But hey what can I expect from the most educated classmate here. Thanks for your powerful wisdom and enlightment. I will be sure to pass your wisdom on to us uneducated few Americans who don't recognize that Ataturk was a National Hero. How could our government deprive us of this most important information. That is exactly the opposite of what I think. I don't care who knows the history of Ataturk. I simply stated you know nothing of Turkey or its history if you can so matter of fact state that Ataturk is not a national hero here. If you state that 10+10=30, be sure, I will correct you on this too.

Thread: a question to our moderator

947.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:48 pm And a Turk who would make the comment that George Washington was not an Americn hero would would receive the same reaction from me...

Thread: a question to our moderator

948.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:45 pm I don't hide that I lived in America 20 years. I love America. But I am also embarassed by how often Americans think that America is the center of all existence on this planet.

Thread: a question to our moderator

949.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:42 pm but just to clarify, if a group of a few Americans are not aware of someone's existence, they couldn't possible be important....

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950.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:40 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting teaschip1: Like I said we all have our opinions KeithL. In Turkey he maybe a "National hereo". However, in other countries you may get a different opinion. I still think you have missed my point regarding "insulting". hmmm Just interested TC, what is this "different opinion". Seems he's pretty much a hero in most countires that I know of Well let's see, I just asked a few professionals here at work. Sorry, no one even knew who he was. But heck that could just be an American self indulgent thing. You know we are only taught American History in our schools. So closed minded are we Americans. I think you just answered your own question and confirmed what most already thought....

Thread: a question to our moderator

951.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:37 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting teaschip1: What's jive talking by the way? A song by the Bee Gees? Sorry.....just trying to lighten the mood! the question is now, did you like that song way back in 1975??

Thread: a question to our moderator

952.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:29 pm There are educated opionions and uneducated opinions. Anyone that can blanketly say Ataturk is not a national hero opens themselves up as the latter.... And I don't mean that to sound mean.

Thread: a question to our moderator

953.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 10:21 pm Quoting teaschip1: Quoting vineyards: Are Bush and Blair national heroes? Do you know what hypocrisy is? Do you know the difference between insulting and (well as you say) bashing? Vineyard, obviously you missed my point. I never referred to Bush or Blair as National hereos, nor do I believe "Ataturk" is a national hereo. My point was if insulting Ataturk is a crime in Turkey, there are plenty of Turkish citizens who are hyprocitical about not respecting other world leaders. So it's wrong to insult "Ataturk" but ok to insult other leaders. In my world bashing is a form of insulting. Not sure how else to explain in laymens terms to you. If you don't think Ataturk is a national hero then you know very little about Turkey it seems...

Thread: a question to our moderator

954.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 09:48 pm I meant it was a good post, thought it was funny.

Thread: a question to our moderator

955.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jul 2007 Mon 09:34 pm Quoting vineyards: Insulting Ataturk is a constitutional offense in our country and this matter is deemed in the purview of the Grand National Assembly which is the only legislative body in Turkey. We do not make laws based on the wishes or suggestions of the citizens of other nations no matter how much better they think they know how national heroes should be commemorated. For example, I wouldn't suggest a UK citizen to do something to abolish monarchy and nobility in their country no matter how ridiculously outdated those concepts are in this century. Thats good!!!!

Thread: What is the biggest wrong,fault in your life?

956.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jun 2007 Sat 02:04 pm Honestly, I drink it every day. When my salad is done, all that is left in the bowl is the olive oil and lemon juice. I love it!

Thread: Meeting mum for the first time!!!

957.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jun 2007 Sat 02:01 pm I don't have a problem with giving money at birthdays and other holidays, but absolutely not when meeting for the first time.

Thread: Meeting mum for the first time!!!

958.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jun 2007 Sat 06:02 am Quoting lovebug: Merhaba everyone, When I first visited my fiance's family (before he was my fiance), I didn't know them that well so I gave each of them envelopes with money in them. Since I am from Hershey, PA, I attached the envelopes to a big Hershey Chocolate Bar. iyi günler! The chocolate OK, but money?????? I have to say that sounds really inapropriate.

Thread: Mobile phone directory

959.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Jun 2007 Tue 06:10 am no

Thread: Should Turkey Cross Borders Into Iraq?

960.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Jun 2007 Thu 05:35 pm Quoting kestrel: "Last point, you mention Mexicans crossing our borders and shooting what would we do? Well, of course give them a job and opportunity. Didn't you know by now that half of the U.S. are Mexicans here. " Ha Ha that's funny! And oh so true! Kurds are legal citizens with all rights as Turks. They work, educate, enter politics, etc. Do not compare terrorist PPK to the millions of kurds who live in the country for one. And second, last I checked, Mexican are not trying to make Texas through California an indepedent nation, even though you could argue they have more historical right to this land than the current occupants. You can not compare this to illegal immigrants coming across from Mexico. Typical, un-educated, foreign policy response from the western hemisphere...

Thread: Should Turkey Cross Borders Into Iraq?

961.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jun 2007 Wed 04:49 am Quoting teaschip1: Why did the Turkish parliment refuse to allow US Forces to attack Saddams army from the North, especially having a vested interested in Iraq's future? And also because Turkey wanted to join the invasion, not just be the entry point for the U.S. Turkey wanted to secure it border but the U.S. would not allow it. And Turkey refused billions of dollars from the U.S. to change its mind. But Turkey stood to its principles and refused.

Thread: Should Turkey Cross Borders Into Iraq?

962.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Jun 2007 Mon 06:08 pm This is overdue already. Yes. End this problem now.

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

963.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jun 2007 Thu 12:16 am This is their decision. They are not forced.

Thread: Carlos set for Fenerbahce switch

964.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jun 2007 Thu 12:07 am another loss for Cim Bom. And not even a match on the schedule...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

965.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Jun 2007 Thu 12:05 am Quoting azade: ...I just can't see who it hurts that women wear it if they wish to. Surely the government is in control, they would never allow shariah laws. Shouldn't women have the chance to study and have a carrer (thus improving conditions for women in Turkey) if they wish to? Of course they have the chance and the right. If they follow the law. And the law says, no headscarves.

Thread: Finally, Turks enter Irak

966.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:54 pm Quoting azade: Regardless if it's true or not - from a legal point of view I don't understand how they they can simply enter another country. The Iraqi Kurds you mean? Me neither....

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

967.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:26 pm Quoting MrX67: seems thats a big problem and worth to discussion till the end for you Keith?????theres a saying in Turkish,''Millet gitti aya,biz kaldık yaya''.... Turkey is not only walking, it is running. It has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Instaed of complaining at the bus stop, get on the bus and move forward with the rest of us.

Thread: Finally, Turks enter Irak

968.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:21 pm ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who operate from bases there, Turkish security officials said. Two senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said the raid was limited in scope and that it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks. "It is not a major offensive and the number of troops is not in the tens of thousands," one of the officials told The Associated Press by telephone. The official is based in southeast Turkey, where the military has been battling separatist Kurdish rebels since they took up arms in 1984. The officials did not say where the Turkish force was operating in northern Iraq, nor did he say how long they would be there. Both officials are involved in anti-rebel operations, though they did not disclose whether they participated in the planning of the operation on Wednesday.

Thread: Finally, Turks enter Irak

969.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 08:19 pm Quoting elham: What do you want? Second war in Iraq with your neighbors (maaelasaf) This war has already killed 30,000 people. We don't want it to start, we want it to finish...

Thread: Finally, Turks enter Irak

970.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 07:18 pm www.cnnturk.com/DUNYA/haber_detay.asp?PID=319&haberID=357994 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19070463/ Hopefully, this is only the start and hope the army ends this problem once and for all!!!

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

971.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 05:15 pm Quoting MrX67: seems thats a big problem and worth to discussion till the end for you Keith?????theres a saying in Turkish,''Millet gitti aya,biz kaldık yaya''.... just trying to understand the comparisons you are talking about. These shangra la places you are telling us about...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

972.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 04:56 pm what other things and what other countries?

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

973.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 06:33 am Doesn't America's constitution also believe in seperation of religion and state? Keep religion out of public schools. And hardly the same issue as what is going on in Turkey by the way...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

974.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Jun 2007 Wed 05:07 am Quoting panta rei: Quoting KeithL: Because Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the savior of this country you live in, said not to... Thats why... Ataturk said what? Enlighten me please! What is to enlighten? Are you an attorney, a judge? It is the law in this country. I don't need to explain it or reason it to you. Respect it.

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

975.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 10:00 pm Quoting Aysenur: We should make a difference between ataturk and Islam. If you follow ataturk I respect you but if you follow islam you will agree that this case is not correct. This is a personal decision. So again I say, why attack the founder of what may be the best muslim nation in the world and use your energy to attack the leaders of these other muslim nations. This argument of course is about attacking Turkey's secularism, not defending the rights of Turkey's women. Lets help the women at the bottom of the islamic world first rather than help the women at the top.

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

976.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:47 pm Quoting panta rei: KeitL - Don't preach about secularism, democracy, republic, other muslim countries, etc. Simply answer me: I do want to wear headscarf, this is my right, my human right, and I have no problem with secularism, democracy, etc, nor do I care about the situations/human rights/women in other muslim countries. I live in Turkey, and only the case in Turkey interests me right now. Just tell me: How come you can forbid me to wear headscarf/turban? Because Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the savior of this country you live in, said not to... Thats why...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

977.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:40 pm Quoting elham: Quoting KeithL: Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad... There is no comparison here, because the situation of women in Baghdad, as I think is better than come person who stand in the door of the university, and tell her takeoff your scraf I will start the "Opressed Women of Istanbul" scholarship immediately. All tuition and travel paid by me to attend baghdad university. Please respond to me immediately before all available vacancies are filled!

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

978.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:35 pm Quoting Aysenur: Quoting KeithL: I'm not trying to offend you actually. I am only pointing out that muslim women in Turkey are treated better "as muslims" than maybe any country in the world. So rather thn criticize the country where muslim women have it best, why not vocalize the cause in other nations where muslim women have it far, far worse. You are right that in many points muslim woman in turkey are well treated but this issue can be changed and it will be a good for the turkish society. I have this thing on my heart because if I give birth to a girl and once she can not get good education and she is discriminated because she wears scarf I would be so upset and sad... This is why I would like the things change for the best in turkey. Insha allah. PS: thank you for the respect because this conversation is strictly in a constructive base... I agree this is a diificult issue to solve maybe. I only say that Turkey is targeted unfairly by the islamic exremists when far worse issues are in plain sight for all to see. Fix the problems in the rest of Arabya first, then, lets discuss fixing Turkey.

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

979.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:32 pm Quoting elham: Arab governments have not violate the rights of women . If there were violations of the rights of Arab women are from people who are far away from Islam, They are extremists who have violated the rights of women, through the enactment of laws such as prevent her driving a vehicle or stay at home or wearing the hijab, which covers all her face, or not to go to beauty shops Oh please, we see examples of injustice to women in arab nations all the time. The examples we can list are endless. For example, just recently, the women in tehran that are being arrested for not being dresses conservative enough. Or the women in kuwaut waiting at bustops arrested for not being escorted by a man. Are these violations of human rights not obvious enough to you? Do we need more examples? Create an infinite thread of womens suffering in Arabic nations? Please...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

980.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:23 pm I'm not trying to offend you actually. I am only pointing out that muslim women in Turkey are treated better "as muslims" than maybe any country in the world. So rather thn criticize the country where muslim women have it best, why not vocalize the cause in other nations where muslim women have it far, far worse.

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

981.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:18 pm Quoting Aysenur: I really doesn't know the situation in other muslim country because i am not arab... But I know the situation of those girls in Turkey. Yes the turkish governement is not perfect but if by saying this and sitting will change the situation...it is wrong to think like this. To change the things we have to talk and try... There is of course things good in this governement but there is place to improvement to satisfied all the citizen. So rather than criticize a goverment that you know little about, and have nothing to compare it to, work to improve the rights of muslims in your country. I hear muslims are not treated so well in the US. Is this true?

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

982.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:16 pm Elham, with all due respect, find me a Turkish woman that would trade the freedom she "suffers through" in Turkey for the freedom "you enjoy" in Baghdad...

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

983.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:14 pm And even more direct, which muslim nation would you like to see Turkey to become more like?

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

984.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 09:10 pm Quoting Aysenur: I really think that turkey should allow muslim woman to wear scarf at school. Of course, I know you think this. And I respect your opinion. Let me ask this question. Is the risk of insulting God by not covering less than the risk of Turkey's secularism and existence? The direction of Turkey's existence before its new government was bleak. Who knows what religous freedom Turks would have had under its occupiers. And what of the current Islamic governments in the middle east? Of course they allow the headscarves in university. But what of the other human rights abuses of women? Do you think God can look at their governments in a more favorable light than Turkey's? Turkey's government is not perfect. Nor should we expect it to be. Why should Turkey be held to a higher standard than these other Muslim/Arab nations?

Thread: Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey

985.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Jun 2007 Tue 08:56 pm This really comes to the heart of this issue philosophically. Is it more important to follow the exact direction of Ataturk or should Turkey relax on the human rights issue and allow women to cover at university?

Thread: i bet İstanbul missing it's old times:)

986.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2007 Mon 07:31 pm I like the old turkish movies, from the 50's and 60's. Simpler times...

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

987.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2007 Mon 07:26 pm I think to also understand, you need to know what muslims in Arabya are "taught" about the turks. The religous leaders would like you to believe that the Arabic countries have been blessed with oil from God, for being more conservative islamic. At the same time, these same leaders also teach that the turks are being "punished by God" and do not have the "oil wealth" that Kuwait, Saudi, Emirates and others have. Why? Because Turkey chose a secular government and disbanded the Osman government. I can't tell you how many times I have heard this from Arabs when I travel to other middle eastern countries when they find a live in Turkey. They must teach this in the schools because every time, the message is identical.

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

988.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2007 Mon 07:19 pm Quoting ruthless87: I am just laughing, I still couldn't understand what was wrong with the video from messages. I also couldn't figure out how the conversation spread out to pkk and then to communists Actually it was against the people who wore turban and put on make up. I find it most interesting how non-turkish speaking foreigners, not even living in Turkey, can ridicule native turks on what is political and what is not...

Thread: Ataturk

989.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2007 Mon 04:37 pm Quoting Deniz Kız: Thank you for the link. But I put this question because I realized that not everybody in Turkey think this way about Ataturk. Even though oficially everybody shows only love and respect to his personality I read in one forum opinion of some turks. They think he did mistake when he refused religion. And they said not everybody likes him.... The only people inside Turkey that don't like Ataturk, are the ones heavily influenced by Arabya.

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

990.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Jun 2007 Mon 01:35 am judging by the demonstrations the last several weeks, there are millions that think like us. General Buyukanit included!

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

991.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Jun 2007 Sun 02:36 am Quoting leander: Quoting azade: AlphaF > where is that coming from? Surely you are not aware of my standpoints and I for one also do not wish to discuss them here because obviously it's not possible to have such a debate without swearing. leander > would you kindly show me where I have have applauded anti-secular propaganda? And by the way I'm 100 % for keeping Turkey secular. For anyone with a tripple digit IQ the message of all those articles you've been ethusiastically aplauding are clear.They constantly bash any institution in Turkey that tries to protect the secular nature of Turkey.Be it justice, be it unversities, be it army etc.Can't be bothered to searrch all of your posts but you should remember nodding to kaddersokak's and other spammers anti-state pro AKP articles. Actually what i was trying to say was something different.You didn't seem to be bothered by the political content of all those posts, but here, you blame people with getting 'too political' , when expressing their views on this thread..That sounds hypocritical to me. Quote: People are putting huge words in their mouths 'ISLAMIST! PROPAGANDA!' - are you even aware of the meaning of these harsh words? Maybe the current political situation in Turkey is making you jump at the slightest reminder of your cultural heritage but there's no reason to attack the rest of us who's more acceptive and appreciative of cultural differences. What's the big harm in elder women in a village setting? They are an important part of Turkey's heritage and there's nothing suspecious about it. This is just going way too far. If you're afraid of anyone slightly köylü then go around for crying out loud. I for one have much respect for these women because of their obvious strength and knowledge on life. We are VERY MUCH aware of what islamist propaganda is and don't need a danish converts expertise (!) on it, especially yours.Your post is another example of distortion of what we said.Did anyone here say villagers are bad and we don't like them?Quite the oposite, BECAUSE we love and care about them we want a better life for them, especially for women who live void of basic human rights there.But for you they are just authentic scenery , you say 'awww how sweeeeet!' and pretend to love the culture as long as you don't get to live like them and are not in one of those womens shoes..We love them tausand times more than likes of you, thats why we fight the mentality that makes them suffer. Quote: One thing: PKK, religion and the army has nothing to do with eachother whatsoever Reeaaally? If i were as ignorant on those matters as you are, i wouldn't dare to talk about them in boards where Turks hang out,let alone trying to lecture them on those issues.Otherwise one might end up making a fool out of oneself. again.But sorry can't waste my time to explain the connection between all those things, maybe one day when you live here longer ,finally learn the language and are able read in turkish and educate yourself on those complex matters you'll understand what i mean. Or maybe not, since something tells me that you'd only be reading PKK and AKP propaganda. This is the best post in the history of TLC....

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

992.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:42 pm I agree with everything you say Sunflower. And I don't mind a well mannered political discussion. I am only pointing out the video for what it is, to those who do not want to believe it, and explaining to those that do not understand it.

Thread: VERY EASY chicken-yoghurt soup

993.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:28 pm Panta rei, why would a woman love you when you love yourelf enough for two people already?

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

994.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:21 pm Quoting AlphaF: WHAT WE ARE FACING HERE IS STANDARD PKK PROPAGANDA... 1. SPRINKLE FEW RELIGIOUS CRAPS, 2. INSULT TURKISH ARMY, 3. CRY FOR PITY AND HELP FROM OUTSIDERS THEY NEVER MENTION WHY NON-PKK KURDISH CITIZENS OF SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY HAD TO BE RELOCATED, IN THE FIRST PLACE. BECAUSE OTHER TURKS LIVING IN WESTERN TURKEY LOVED TO HAVE MORE KURDS AROUND?, or BECAUSE THOSE NON PPK KURDS HAD TO FACE PKK TERROR IF THEY DID NOT HELP PKK, YET FACE THE TURKISH ARMY IF THEY DID: A VERY DANGEORUS LIFE IN BOTH CASES. I ADDRESS YOU ALL ...DO NOT FALL INTO THIS PKK TRAP...JUST IGNORE THEM... +1000

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

995.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:16 pm Quoting libralady: It is very sad that a few harmless photos on YouTube can provoke such unreasonable behaviour. Opinions will differ but does that mean everyone is wrong? Is it not about time this thread was locked?? Again LibraLady, these are not harmless photos. It is political propaganada.

Thread: ''Güllüoğlu''

996.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 03:52 pm I have one very close to my flat in Fulya. It is the best!

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

997.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:57 am MrX, No one is criticizing you for posting the video. But the video is political. It doesnt try to hide that fact. So you should not be suprised nor offended when a political video generates a political discussion.

Thread: Double Standards

998.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Jun 2007 Sat 05:54 am

Thread: VERY EASY chicken-yoghurt soup

999.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jun 2007 Fri 11:51 pm Quoting panta rei: Quoting SunFlowerSeed: Bread ? What is bread ? In every language "bread" means either Jean Valjean or Marie Antoinette! Very clever....too bad you can't sing though...

Thread: Double Standards

1000.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Jun 2007 Fri 11:47 pm I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1001.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 08:36 pm Quoting aycinu: Why are all these women in headscarfs and in a village setting? You make such videos and then are surprised about the kinds of stereotypes that people have about Turks. ... Who is you? Who made this video? Like I said, the maker of this video has a political agenda. The video footage was chosen ver carefully.

Thread: VERY EASY chicken-yoghurt soup

1002.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 08:28 pm they have fruit yogurt....why don't they have plain? How horrible for you. How is the bread there?

Thread: VERY EASY chicken-yoghurt soup

1003.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 07:45 pm Also with meat. Anytime I have beef, or make a soup with beef, I have to yogurt with it. And also, i use it when i make my borek to keep its soft. Better than using too much oil, its too greasy that way.

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1004.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 05:54 pm This is not just an innocent video however showing women in different settings in turkey. It is a setup political message. The video footage of the women in Anatolia is real. Showing them in their real dress, doing real work. An accurate portrayal of their lives. But, the footage at the end, the "modern muslim" women. This footage is setup. Actresses, costumes, who knows. They did not attempt to catch these women in a natural way, living their lives as they did the Anatolian women. These pictures are "staged". But of course, the maker of this video does it for the purpose of his message.

Thread: Best time to book a flight to Turkey?

1005.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 04:49 am the problem with summer is all the students are out and are traveling. Thats why the flights are so full. After summer, you will be able to get $600 flights again. Inşallah...

Thread: 'Anatolian women''

1006.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 May 2007 Thu 04:47 am How did i ignore this thread for days? Very very interesting film and a very important message.

Thread: Best time to book a flight to Turkey?

1007.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 May 2007 Wed 09:09 pm I pointed out KLM because like I said, they are 2nd cheapest from the US, sometimes Delta too I think. No other reason.

Thread: Best time to book a flight to Turkey?

1008.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 May 2007 Wed 08:39 pm much much to expensive. cheapest cities to fly from our NYC and Chicago. THY uses America as a partner if coming from another US City. I have flown as cheap as $699 USD roundtrip from Minneapolis. KLM is sometimes reasonable but they are the worst airline in the world. Rudest staff on the ground and in the air by far!!! (Go direcly to THY website. This will be your cheapest fair) http://www.thy.com/

Thread: Islam taking root in Turkey's bureaucracy (Intern. Herald Tribune, today)

1009.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 May 2007 Wed 06:12 am http://1muslimnation.wordpress.com /2006/11/12/islam-to-secularism-how-kemal-ataturk-reformed-ottoman-turkey/ Another example of how much the Arab World hates Ataturk... "Although today Turkey seldom figures in Muslim or Islamic discourse, it was for five centuries the center of the Muslim world, until that fatal day, March 3rd, 1924, when Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk abolished the Caliphate -office of the successors to prophet Muhammad, the supreme politico-religious office of Islam, and symbol of the Turkey sultan’s claim to world leadership of all Muslims—was abolished."

Thread: What are you listening now?

1010.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 May 2007 Sat 08:22 pm You left a leornard cohen lyric post in every thread last night. It is obvious what you were listening to....hence my comment.

Thread: What are you listening now?

1011.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 May 2007 Sat 02:18 am Quoting panta rei: Leonard Cohen! NO S@%# !!!!

Thread: He must be stopped!!!

1012.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 May 2007 Sat 02:00 am panta rei... whats with all the song lyrics in every post? Put down the rakı bottle man!!!

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1013.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 10:08 pm A retraction on TLC.....how rare!

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1014.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 08:50 pm Quoting alameda: I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand. He said they were Turks. This is nonsense. They were speaking the "sioux language", which is the area of america where i lived and where the Sioux Tribes are still today. I would be shocked if there was even one word in the two languages that are similar or the same. I believe your friend told you this, but he was kidding you.

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1015.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 08:46 pm Quoting SunFlowerSeed: I saw that nobody has said anything on my question. Why we are trying to call Native Americans as Turks ? Why we are not trying to call Turks as Native Americans ? Who are Turks ? I think that question is easily answered. If the native americans came for asia (and are turks), then this term only applies to the peoples who came, not the ones who stayed. Africans that are in Africa, are only African, not African American for example. Why some turks want a connection to native americans? only those that want this can answer that.

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1016.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 06:28 pm I don't know the religions of the ancient turkic tribes. The religions of the American Indian Tribes of North America all worship the earth. The sun, the wind, the rain, animals. But I think we can find these basic concepts in all ancient religions. Its all basically paginsim. I do have a question though. I know several turks that really want this link between the two peoples to be true. I dont understand this part of it, on why they want this to be true. It seems to be some kind of romantic notion that they are the same peoples...

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

1017.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 06:13 pm If you compare DNA, we all come from Africa, originally... All human beings are 99.99% the same based on DNA. I think that with any scientific data, we can find the conclusion that we want to find. I don't see it personally, the definitive link. I think the most imporatnt part of the argument is to determine a time frame. If you are willing to go back far enough in time, than of course there is a link. But the questions is, is there a modern link?

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1018.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 04:17 pm Quoting MrX67: as our nature leader Atatürk's said ''Peace in country,peace on World'' any better fix???? This is true, but Ataturk would not tolerate a foreign invader, which is what the PKK is.

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1019.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 04:15 pm Quoting yilgun-7: for the attention of Mrs Catwoman and Mr Keithl, "The Kurdish people are the real one of Turkish ethnical family clans, they are Turks...So, Turk Kurdish people and terrorist organization are different things.Terrorist organization is a humanity crime". So whats the problem? They can vote, work, own homes.... I am not going to argue with you what a "real turk" is. But the kurds in turkey have the same rules and rights as the rest of the people in Turkey.

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1020.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 03:17 pm I am tolerent of all people, including my own. In general. I said this to indicate I am not rascist against any people based on the nature of ethnicity. The PKK situation is so much different then 9/11 events that you compare. 9/11 was about America interfering with foreign policy in other parts of the world. The situation with the PKK is closer to foreign invasion. This is about land, not ideals. And to say violence never solved anything, I strongly disagree. What about the French Revolution, American Revolution, American Civil War, Turkish War of Independence, Word War II? War isn't pretty, but sometimes its necessary. I ask you this Catwoman. What does the PKK want that you feel can be negotiated?

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1021.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 May 2007 Fri 12:40 am I'm failing to see the similiarities here. I am very tolerent by nature. I have nothing against kurds, but the PKK is a terrorist organization and they need to be destroyed. Now. For all our safety.

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1022.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 May 2007 Thu 11:01 am The PKK and American Indians have nothing in common. The indians land was stolen continusously and they were packed onto reservations that were not hospitaale to live on. To this day, not only are they poor, they have the highest unemployment rate, highest alcoholism rate and highest suicide rate of any group in America.

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1023.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 May 2007 Thu 10:34 am Quoting longinotti1: Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s. Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes. Now they are all to rich too rebel. ??????????????????? Native Americans are still the poorest group in America. Too rich to rebel? Where in the world do you get your information?

Thread: upbringing children in Turkey

1024.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:51 pm Personally, I cant imagine raising children in istanbul. it is so crowded and there is nowhere but the streets for them to play.

Thread: Dreaming in Turkish

1025.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:48 pm oh....thank God

Thread: Urgent advice needed please members

1026.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:47 pm Quoting azade: Ahh of course! Thanks for clearing that up We have the same system here, with the difference that they'd never help anybody in need. That reminds when the poor farmer approached Erdogan asking for help. And Erdogan was so mean to him...

Thread: Turkish radyo - Help please

1027.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:42 pm What about TRT1, TGRT or KRAL? They play a wide mix. My favorite station is Radyo Bilkent. I have a project near the university so I only hear it when I am there. Radyo Bogazici is similar, but not as good.

Thread: Dreaming in Turkish

1028.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:33 pm who? me?

Thread: turkish for non-biological please

1029.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 10:31 pm what is non-biological powder? What about using detergent for infants? This is generally the mildest.

Thread: A piece of information pls/

1030.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 09:06 pm http://www.drive-alive.co.uk/view-route.php?from=1234&withCriteria=true&c1=1&productId=50217&strStartCityCountry=002059154&strStartCity=istanbul&strStartCP=&strStartAddress=&strDestCityCountry=001025349&strDestCity=bucharest&strDestCP=&strDestAddress= Here is a map link

Thread: Explosion in Ankara - 4 people killed!

1031.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 09:03 pm I heard 5 or more dead. It happened in a shopping area. Almost certainly a bomb.

Thread: A piece of information pls/

1032.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 08:56 pm Quoting KeithL: istanbul to Bucharest should be less than 10 hours. european side of ist...not asian (I hate the bridge traffic)

Thread: A piece of information pls/

1033.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 08:50 pm istanbul to Bucharest should be less than 10 hours.

Thread: Dreaming in Turkish

1034.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 May 2007 Tue 07:02 pm From Dreaming in Turkish Website about TLC... "Less interesting is the part of the forum where lovebirds post their inane love notes en masse to be translated into and out of Turkish, unless you're into providing translation services for free in which case you'll be in heaven."

Thread: mobile phones

1035.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 May 2007 Sun 07:43 pm Quoting Elisa: I was browsing the web for information, and just read that as long you have a dual-band phone (minimum requirement), there should be no problem at all? I might want to investigate a bit further though.. There are two bands in Europe and two bands in N. America. European country to Turkey is fine.

Thread: mobile phones

1036.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 May 2007 Sun 07:38 pm Quoting Elisa: Quoting azade: The main rule is that you can't bring a foreign phone to Turkey and use a turkish simcard with it. Paying the fee is going to work for a while but eventually the phone won't be able to find a signal. I had never heard about this.. Thought I could just go and buy a TR simcard and that would be it! Is it worth going through that procedure for a month's stay? And do you have to pay to get it registered? My friend bought a $300 phone is the US to bring to Turkey. Worked for two weeks then stopped. He had to register with customs and then it took months for it to work.

Thread: mobile phones

1037.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 May 2007 Sun 05:56 pm I also have ATT international. The sim card will work but you may have to use a euro/turkish phone unless you have a 4 band phone. Typical US phones are only 2 bands. But beware, even if you pay the $6.00 monthly for the international plan with ATT, incoming and outgoing calls while in Turkey are between $2.00 and $3.00 per minute.

Thread: Dolma, stuffed bell peppers

1038.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 May 2007 Sun 12:49 am you'll do fine...let us know how it turns out!!!

Thread: Dolma, stuffed bell peppers

1039.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 May 2007 Sun 12:39 am Quoting xkirstyx: Don't want to look stupid but have to ask. Is the rice and mince cooked before we put it in the pepper. And when you say put it in the water to the neck, does that mean that it covers the outside of the pepper ensuring none goes inside the top? the peppers are standing up in the pot. fill the pot with water about 3/4 up the pepper. the meat and rice is almost steamed this way. pot is covered obviously.

Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1040.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 05:53 pm Quoting LCT: It is clear that this argument is going nowhere. I still stand on a position opposing nationalism. The only nationalism I would defend is that of an oppressed group fighting against imperialism. The problem as I see it lies between the rich and the poor. the boss and the worker. I do not identify with someone because of their nationality. The idea is absurd. I have more in common with people all over the world by virtue of class than anything else. İn Turkey, as everywhere, I look to the working class. We are the ones who make everything produce everything. Not the likes of Baykal or Erdogan... So do not ask me to support some cross class alliance of nationalists bent on serving their own ends.. Do you still have the burn of teargas in your eyes from may day? "I don't ask you to fight today..I ask you to die today"

Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1041.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 04:17 pm Quoting qdemir: remember colonel Talat Aydemir. Yes, lets remember him. I don't think Büyükanıt wants his fate...do you? Your point supports mine more than yours I think...

Thread: Turkish names

1042.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 11:40 am Quoting emreeren1: Öztürkçe insan isimleri: ERKEK ADLARI: A Aba Abak Abaka Abakan Abakay Abar Abay Abı Abılay Abluç Abşar Açığ* Açık* Açuk Adalan Adaldı Adalmış Adar Adaş Adberilgen Adıgüzel Adık Adıkutlu Adıkutlutaş Adlı Adlıbeğ Adraman Adsız Afşar Afşın Ağabay Ağakağan Ağalak Ağlamış Ak* Akaş Akata Akbaş Akbay Akboğa Akbörü* Akbudak* Akbuğra Akbulak* Akça* Akçakoca Akçora Akdemir Akdoğan Akı* Akıbudak Akım Akın* Akınçı* Akkun Akkunlu Akkurt Akkuş Akpıra Aksungur Aktan Al Ala Alaban Alabörü* Aladağ Aladoğan Alakurt* Alayunt Alayuntlu Aldemir Aldıgerey Aldoğan Algu Alımga Alka Alkabölük Alkaevli Alkan Alkaşı Alkış Alp Alpagut Alpamış Alparsbeğ Alparslan Alpata Alpay Alpaya Alpaykağan Alpbamsı Alpbilge Alpdirek Alpdoğan Alper Alperen Alpertunga Alpgerey Alpış Alpilig Alpkara Alpkutlu Alpkülük Alpşalçı Alptegin Alptuğrul Alptunga Alpturan Alptutuk Alpuluğ Alpurungu Alpurungututuk Alpyörük Altan Altankağan Altankan Altay Altın* Altınkağan Altınkan Altınoba Altıntamgan Altıntamgantarkan Altıntarkan Altıntay Altmışkara Altuga Amaç Amrak* Amul* Ançuk Andarıman Anıl Ant* Apa Apak* Apatarkan Aprançur Araboğa Arademir Aral* Arbay Arbuz Arçuk Ardıç* Argıl Argu Argun Arı* Arıboğa Arık* Arıkağan Arıkdoruk Arınç Arkın Arkış Armağan* Arnaç Arpat Arsal* Arsıl* Arslan* Arslanargun Arslanbörü Arslansungur Arslantegin Arslanyabgu Arşun Artıınal Artuk Artukaç Artut* Aruk* Asartegin Asığ Asrı Asuğ Aşan Aşanboğa Aşantuğrul Aşantudun Aşıkbulmuş Aşkın Aştaloğul Aşuk Ataç Atakağan Atakan Atalan Ataldı Atalmış Ataman Atasagun Atasu Atberilgen Atıgay Atıkutlu Atıkutlutaş Atıla Atılgan Atım Atımer Atış Atlı Atlıbeğ Atlıkağan Atmaca Atsız Atunçu Avar Avluç Avşar Ay* Ayaçı Ayas Ayaş Ayaz Aybalta Ayban Aybars Aybeğ Aydarkağan Aydemir Aydın* Aydınalp Aydoğan Aydoğdu* Aydoğmuş* Aygırak Ayıtmış Ayız* Ayızdağ Aykağan* Aykan Aykurt Ayluç Ayluçtarkan Ayma Ayruk Aysılığ Aytak Ayyıldız* Azak Azban Azgan Azganaz Azıl B Babır Babur Baçara Baççayman Baçman Badabul Badruk Badur Bağa Bağaalp Bağaışbara Bağan Bağaşatulu Bağatarkan Bağatengrikağan Bağatur Bağaturçigşi Bağaturgerey Bağaturipi Bağatursepi Bağış* Bağtaş Bakağul Bakır Bakırsokum Baksı Bakşı Balaban Balaka Balakatay Balamır Balçar Baldu Balkık Balta Baltacı Baltar Baltır Baltur Bamsı Bangu Barak Baraktöre Baran Barbeğ Barboğa Barbol Barbulsun Barça* Barçadoğdu Barçadoğmuş Barçadurdu Barçadurmuş Barçan Barçatoyun Bardıbay Bargan Barımtay Barın Barkan Barkdoğdu Barkdoğmuş Barkdurdu Barkdurmuş Barkın Barlas Barlıbay Barmaklak Barmaklı Barman Bars* Barsbeğ Barsboğa Barsgan Barskan Barsurungu Bartu Basademir Basan Basanyalavaç Basar Basat Baskın Basmıl Bastı Bastuğrul Basu Basut Başak* Başbuğ BaşÃ§ı Başgan Başkırt Başkurt Baştar Batrak* Batu Batuk Batur Baturalp Bay Bayançar Bayankağan Bayat Bayazıt Baybars Baybayık* Baybiçen Bayboğa Baybora Baybüre Baydar Baydemir Baydur Bayık Bayınçur Bayındır Baykal* Baykara Baykoca Baykuzu Baymünke Bayna Baynal Baypüre Bayrı Bayraç Bayrak* Bayram Bayrın Bayruk Baysungur Baytara Baytaş Bayunçur Bayur Bayurku Bayutmuş Bayuttu Bazır Beçeapa Beçkem Beğ Beğarslan Beğbars Beğbilgeçikşin Beğboğa Beğçur Beğdemir Beğdilli Beğdurmuş Beğkulu Beğtaş Beğtegin Beğtüzün Begi Begil Begine Begitutuk Beglen Begni Bek Bekazıl Bekbekeç Bekeç Bekeçarslan Bekeçarslantegin Bekeçtegin Beker Beklemiş Bektür Belçir Belek* Belgi* Belgüc* Beltir Bengi* Bengü* Benlidemir Berdibeğ Berendey Bergü* Berginsenge Berk Berke Berkiş Berkyaruk Bermek Besentegin Betemir Beyizçi Beyrek Beyrem Bıçkı Bıçkıcı Bıdın Bıtaybıkı Bıtrı Biçek Bilge* Bilgebayunçur Bilgebeğ Bilgeçikşin Bilgeışbara Bilgeışbaratamgan Bilgekağan Bilgekan Bilgekutluk Bilgekülüçur Bilgetaçam Bilgetamgacı Bilgetardu Bilgetegin Bilgetonyukuk Bilgez Bilgiç Bilgin Bilig Biligköngülsengün Bilik Binbeği Bindir Boğa Boğaç Boğaçuk Boldaz Bolmuş Bolsun Bolun Boncuk* Bongul Bongulboğa Bora Boran Borçul Borlukçu Bornak Boyan Boyankulu Boylabağa Boylabağatarkan Boylakutlutarkan Bozan Bozbörü* Bozdoğan Bozkurt* Bozkuş Bozok Bögde* Böge Bögü Bökde* Böke Bölen Bölükbaşı Bönek Bönge Börü* Börübars Börüsengün Börteçine Buçan Buçur Budağ Budak Budunlu Buğday* Buğra Buğrakarakağan Bukak Bukaktutuk Bulaçapan Bulak Bulan Buldur Bulgak Bulmaz Bulmuş Buluç Buluğ* Buluk Buluş* Bulut Bumın Bunsuz* Burçak* Burguçan Burkay Burslan Burulday Burulgu Burunduk Buşulgan Butak Butuk Buyan Buyançuk Buyandemir Buyankara Buyat Buyraç Buyruç Buyruk Buzaç Buzaçtutuk Büdüs Büdüstudun Bügü* Bügdüz Bügdüzemen Büge Büğübilge Bükdüz Büke Bükebuyraç Bükebuyruç Bükey Büktegin Büküşboğa Bümen Bünül Büre Bürgüt Bürkek Bürküt Bürlük C Cebe Ceyhun* Cılasun Ç Çaba Çabdar Çablı Çabuş Çağan Çağatay Çağlar Çağlayan* Çağrı Çağrıbeğ Çağrıtegin Çağruk Çaka Çakabeğ Çakan Çakı Çakıdı Çakın Çakır Çakırça Çakırkağan Çakırtunga Çakırtungakağan Çakmak Çakoğul Çaksırı Çalapkulu* Çalayır Çalık Çalkara Çamır Çanbaşağa Çandar Çangır Çansı Çapa Çapan Çapar Çapıtgan Çapkun Çapkunotuç Çaplı Çaptı Çarır Çaruk Çaruklu Çarun Çasantuz Çasır Çavdar Çavlı Çavuş Çaysu Çebe Çegre Çekül Çelgi Çelik Çengin Çepni Çeri Çerik Çetin Çetinkaya Çeykün* Çığan Çığantonyukuk Çığay Çığbatar Çığılbar Çığır Çılasın Çılasun Çımkara Çınrak Çırkuş Çıtsu Çibek Çibekkargu Çigşi Çiğil Çiğilarslan Çikşin Çilenti* Çinek Çiner Çizim Çobayıkmış Çocukbörü* Çocukbörüsengün Çoğu Çokaygır Çokramayul* Çolman* Çolpan* Çomak Çomul Çonay Çora Çorabatur Çoraman Çorman Çortan Çosun Çotul Çoyun Çökey Çömen Çubaş Çubaldur Çubu Çuçu Çuğlan Çuka Çuluk Çupan Çupka Çur Çurbağa Çünük D Dağ Dağkağan Dakak Damar Delibalta Delidumrul Demir Demirbakaç Demirboğa Demirdirek Demirgen Demirgüçü Demirgüçüdirek Demirkağan Demirkan Demirkazık Demirkazuk Demirtaş Demirtayak Demiryumruk Dengizik Deniz* Denizkağan Dılmaç Dikçe Dike Dikirmen Dilek* Direk Diri* Dirse Dirsekağan Dodurga Doğan Doğanarslan Doğankaykan Doğantegin Doğantuğrul Doğmuş Doğu Doğukağan Doğukan Doğulbay Dokuzoğuz Dolgan Döğer Dökmen Dölek Döndü Döne Duka Dukakoca Duman Dumlupınar Dumrul Durak Durmuş Duru* Dururbunsuz* Duygu* Dürmen E Ebrekdemir Ebren* Ebrük Eçine Eçinekür Eçinetürçe Edçü Edebalı Edige Edil* Ediz* Eğrek Eğrim* Egdeçin Egemen* Ekim* Ekin* Elç Elççurküçbars Elçi Elekül Elkebulak Elkin* Emen Emre Engürün Engürünelçi Engin* Engse Engsekoca Enik Er Eralp Erankas Erankastöşek Erboğa Erbüz Erdem* Erdemkağan Erdemkağanaltuga Erdoğan Erdoğdu Erdoğmuş Erduran Erdurdu Erdurmuş Erem Eren Erentüz* Erenuluğ Ergeldi Ergelen Ergelmiş Ergenekon Ergenekun Eriker Erinç* Erk Erküz Erkarslan Erkin Erkli Ermen* Ersegün Ersığın Ersin Ersungur Ertaş Ertaşyabgu Ertegin Ertokuş Ertuğrul Esen* Esenboğa Esendemir Esenkaya Esim Esinti Esri Eşkara Etil* Etrek Eygiş Eyiz* Eylek Eylik Eylikkoca Eymür Ezgene Ezgütegin G Gençek Gerey Gök Gökalp Gökboğa Gökbörü* Gökbudak Gökçe* Gökçek Gökçen* Gökkağan Gökmen Gökşin* Göktaş Göktuğ Göktupulgan Gönder Göne Görgü Görün* Guz Gülegen* Gülemen* Gülük Gümüştegin Gün* Günay* Gündeş Gündoğan Gündoğdu* Gündoğmuş* Gündüz Gündüzalp Güne Günerdi Güneren Günermiş Güneş* Günkağan Gürbüz* Gürçay Gürgen Gürtürk Güvenç Güyük Güzey* I Iba Idıkut Iğrak Ila* Ilaçın* Ilaçınbayluk Ilgar Ilımga Ilkuş Imga Inakkulu Inal Inalçık Inalçur Inalbars Inalbayat Inalbeğ Inalkoç Inalöz Inalurungu Inan Inanç* Inançalp Inançapa Inançbeğ Inanççı Inançu Inançualp Inançuapa Inançubilge Inançuçur Inançukülüg Inançyabgu Indı Irkıl Irmak* Isığ* Isık* Işbara Işbarabilge Işbaraçıkan Işbaratamgan Işbaratarkan Işbarateriştunga Işbarayamtar Işığ* Işık* Itak Iyık* Iyıktağ* Iyış Izay İ İçenbilge İdikurt İdikut İdil* İğdir İkiçitoyun* İkidemir İkrek İkti İlçeke İlçiboğa İlçikedey İlaçmış İlaçtı İlaldı İlaldıbeğ İlalmış İlbaşı İlbasmış İlbastı İlben İlboğa İldemir İldeniz İldoğan İlek İletmiş İletti İlgegü* İlgir İlgirdi İlgirmiş İlgirtudun İlınançı İlkağan İlkan İlkatmış İlkattı İlkaya İlkoca İlkuş İlkutadmış İlli İlötüken İlteber İlteriş İltutku İltutmuş İltuttu İltürgük İltüzer İlyığdı İlyığmış İmen İnç* İnçboğa İnel İnge İngeçi İnözinençi İpiışbara İpişat İpitulu İrçik İrik İrinç* İrinçköl* İrkey İrkin İrnek İrtiş* İsiyi İstemi İşboğa İşkara İtbert İteçük İterçi İtil* İyituğrul K Kaban Kabanbay Kabşut Kaçaç Kaçanküke Kaçkar Kaçut Kadak Kadır Kadırbilge Kadırkan Kağan Kağanoğul Kağarlık Kakşaaçkı Kalaç Kalalduruk Kalım Kalımtı Kalın Kalıng Kalınkaraaçkı Kalkaman Kalkan Kalkankılıç Kalmuk Kalpas Kam Kambuktu Kamçı Kamır Kamırtegin Kan Kana Kanak Kanaluk Kanat Kancı* Kançı* Kançora Kandıbay Kandemir Kandurmuş Kanelçi Kanık Kanımdı Kanıtgan Kanlı Kanoğul Kantoyun Kanturalı Kantüre Kapağan Kapak Kapan Kapgan Kaplan Kaplangerey Kapsın Kara Karaaçkı Karaalp Karaarslan Karaarslanbörü Karaba Karabakşı Karabars Karabayır Karabıyık Karaboğa Karabölük Karabörü Karabudak Karabuluk Karabulut Karaca* Karacaoğlan Karaça* Karaçuk Karaçur Karademir Karadoğan Karadoğma Karaevli Karagöz Karagüne Karak* Karakağan Karakaş Karakızıl Karakulagu Karakun Karakunaz Karakurt Karakuş Karakuzu Karaküyük Karaman Karaoğul Karaokuy Karasungur Karategin Karatoğma Karaton Karatoyun Karatüken Karavul Karayülük Karayağma Karayan Karayığaç Karçıgay Karçur Kargın Karguy Karık Karımış Karınkağan Karkın Karlı Karlık Karluk Karpak Kartal Kasık Kasırga Kasırku Kasmış Katı Katık Katkı Katkay Katku Katmış Kavşut Kavul Kavurt Kay Kaya Kayaesrük Kayan Kaydu Kaygısız Kaygusuz Kayı Kayımtı Kayın Kayıtgan Kayıtsu Kaykan Kaymas Kaymış Kaynak* Kayra Kaysakık Kaysıdı Kaytak Kaytmaz Kazan Kazanç* Kazgan Kazıkurt Kazılık Kazılıkkoca Kazuk Kebek Keğen Kekmen Keldibeğ Kelgin Kençek Kenik Kensiğ Kerşin Kereküçü Keriaçarı Kerik Kerki Kerskiç Ketimurungu Ketire Ketkara Ketkaratudun Kettaş Keyargun Keyken* Kezik Kılat Kılıç Kılıçarslan Kılıçkalkan kılıçkamçı Kılıçkan Kımızın* Kına Kından Kınık Kınrul Kınsun Kıp Kıpçak Kıprıdı Kıra Kıraç Kıraçata Kırgı Kırgıdı Kırgız Kırgu Kırguy Kıryağız Kısak Kıtay Kıvılcım* Kıyagan Kıyağanurungu Kıyan Kıyangüçü Kıyanselçük Kıyımtı Kıyıntıtoyun Kızık Kızılalma* Kızılalmıla* Kızılarslan Kızılboğa Kızılbörü* Kızılelma* Kızılkurt* Kiçgine Kilter Kiminsü Kimintüre Kindoğmuş Kinsin Kirti Kişecik Kiten Kitir Kobulsun Kobuz* Koç Koçak Koçgar Koçkar Koçun Koçungar Koçunkar Koğuş Konat* Konçak Koldaş Kondubay Konuk* Konur Konuralp Konurbörü* Konurkoca Konurkurt* Kopuz* Korkağan Korkut Korla Korlaelçi Koru Kosan Koskaman Koşu Koşuk* Koşulgan Koşututuk Kotan Kotantuğrul Kotku* Kozar Kozuçak Kök Kökbilgekan Kökboğa Kökbudak Kökçü Köklü Köktürk Köküskaya Kökyük Kölbilge Kölbilgekan Kölirkin Kölkağan Költegin Kömen Könder Könüdiri Köp Körü Körük Körüyük Körpeoğul Kösemen Kövenç Közemiş Közünçü Ku Kuba Kubaçakırca Kubılay Kubuz* Kuçan Kuçursu Kudabıdın Kudatmış Kuduğubatur Kukun* Kulagu Kulakara Kulan Kulanarslan Kulapa Kulapaurungu Kulbak Kulbert Kuldurak Kulmas Kulpa Kuluç Kulunkara Kumandur Kumararslan Kumaşbay Kumuk Kun Kunçuk Kunan Kunanbay Kunaz Kuncuk Kunu Kur Kurbas Kurç Kurça Kurçdemir Kurçer Kurçu Kurgan Kurla Kurlaelçi Kurman Kursul Kurşun Kurt Kurtçu Kurtoga Kurtul Kurtulmuş Kurtulur Kurtuluş Kuruç Kuruçdemir Kuruğşın Kurum Kurumçuoğul Kuşuk Kut* Kutaçun Kutalmış Kutan Kutbulan Kutbuldu Kutbulmuş Kutdağ Kutkan Kutku* Kutlu* Kutlualp Kutlubağatarkan Kutlubeğ Kutluboğa Kutlubört Kutluçigşi Kutludemir Kutludemirtayak Kutludurmuş Kutlukağan Kutlukaya Kutluşat Kutlutaş Kutlutayak Kutlutegin Kutlutunga Kuttağ Kutulmuş Kutuzurungu Kuyakuz Kuyaş* Kuz Kübeyaruk Küç Küçdemir Küçekül Küçet Küçkara Küçlü Küçlübilge Küçlütegin Küçtegin Küdaruk Küdarukbeğ Küke Kül Külbilge Külçur Küldürtey Külegen* Kültegin Kültudun Külü Külüçur Külük Külükapa Külükbilge Külükçur Külükınanç Külüksengün Külüktutuk Külükurungu Kün Künbermiş Künç Künçtutuk Küntoğsu* Küpe Kür Kürbeği Kürboğa Kürebir Küregen Kürgen Kürkan Kürşat Kürtürk Küten Kütey Küvçü Küyük Küzençik M Makaraç Mamak Mamatçın Mangıt Masar Masmadar Mayınsık Maytalman Mehmetçik Meken Mekilinkurça Mençik Mengü* Mengüberdi* Mengüçek Mengüdemir Mengükağan Mengükulu* Mengütegin Menli* Menlidemir Mergen Merkit Mete Mınar* Mindemir Minkara Monçuk* Mongul Mongulboğa Motun Moyunçur Mukan Muncuk Munduzakın Munsuz* Muyan* Müge O Ocak* Oçak* Oçur Odçubuyruk Odguç* Odmuş Oglançur Oğan Oğla Oğlumuş Oğrak Oğramış Oğul Oğulçak Oğulasuk Oğulbars Oğultarkan Oğur* Oğurtegin Oğuş Oğuz Oğuzbilge Ok Okçu Oktar Oktay Okuş Okutgan Olakçı Olca* Olcay* Olcaytu Olçaytu Olgun Oluç On Onbeği Ongun Ontutuk Opuz Opuzlu Or Orak Ordu* Ordubeğ Orduk Orkağan Orkan Orkaya Orkun Orkunşat Orsulay Orunçak* Osuğ Otamış Otçu Otçuboğa Otkakönmişkılıç Otman Otmuş Otuç Otuzoğlan Oyrat Ozan Ozman Ozmuş Ozmuştegin Ozutgan Ö Öçürgen Öçgel Ödgek Ödül* Öge Ögeçik Ögedey Ögrüz Ögrüzdemir Ögreyük* Öğdülmüş Öğrünç Öğrünçe Öğünç* Öğüt* Öğütçü Öke Ökrünç Öküş* Öküşaçkı Öküşkaraaçkı Ölütçü Öngü Örebört Örpen Ötemiş Ötük* Ötüken* Ötükendemir Ötünçdemir Övünç* Öyke Öyük* Öz Özapa Özbek Özbilge Özdemir Özge* Özmüş Özüdoğdu Özüdoğru Özürgen* Özyeğenalpturan P Paşa Paşayiğit Pay Payandur Paypiçen Peçenek Penge Peymey Pınar* Poyraz S Sabıboğa Sabınsatı Sabutay Sabutu Saçu Sağanak* Sağdıç Sağlık Sağnak* Sagağul Sagımbay Sagu Sagun Sagur Salgar Salgur Salman Salu Salur Salurkazan Sançar Sançmış Sandal Sangı Sangır Sangun Sanmış Sarı Sarıbaş Sarıbörü* Sarıçır Sarıkulmas Sarıkurt* Sarp Sartak Saru Sarukan Saruyatı Sasıboğa Sasıkutlukaya Satılmış* Satmış Savcı Savçı Sayın Sayboğa Sayda Sayyaruk Sebükkölerkin Sebüktegin Seçkin* Seğrek Sekinçkara Selçe Selçen* Selçik Selçük Selek* Selenge* Semenek* Semiçe Sençer Senge Sengekteş Senger Sengün Sengür Sengüy Sengüyara Sengüytudun Sepinli Sevinç* Sevindik* Seyhun* Seykün* Seymen Sıla Sılan Sılang Sılka Sındıran Sıngkı Sınkı Sırba Sırım Sısır Sışıdu Sıyrım Silig* Sinier Soğansarı Sokta Soktuelçi Sokulgan* Soma Somaçı Soyan Soyar Sökmen Subar Suk Suma Sumaçı Sunak* Sunduru* Sungur Sunkişi* Suyunçuk Suyurgal* Suyurkatmış Sübaşı Süçür Südeş Sülü Süledi Sülemiş Süler Süngekteş Süngü Süngüler Süngüş SüngüşÃ¼r Sünüş Süsmen Süyen Süyünçük Süyündük Süyürgatmış Ş Şağılar Şalçak Şalçı Şaman Şangun Şat Şıban ŞÃ¶klü Şu Şukağan T Tabay Tabgaç Tabgaçyeke Tabın Tabırtı Tabrak* Tabulgu* Taçam Tadar Tadgun* Tadık Tadıkçur Tadkun Tadu* Tağ Tagay Takıcık Takışkaya Talan Talguk Talıkı Talıman Talkık* Talkılıç Talu* Taman Tamantarkan Tamar Tamduk* Tamga Tamgacı Tamgalı* Tamgalık* Tamgantarkan Tamır Tamur Tan* Tanguk* Tangut Tanık Tanışman Tanrıkulu* Tanrıkut Tanrıverdi* Tanrıvermiş* Tanyu Tapar Tapdı Tapılgu* Tapılguç* Tapış* Tapmış Taprak* Tapu* Tapusak* Tapuş* Tarı* Tara Taragay Taran Taraskülüg Tarbın Tarbış Tardu Tarıçı Tarıçıbeğ Tarım* Tarın Tarkan Tarkat Tarmak Tarman Tarsuk Taş Taşkan Tatar Tatık* Tatuş Tay Tay Tayak Tayanç Tayanı Taybilge Tayboğa Taybu Taydık Taydıkelçi Taygun Tayık* Tayınçak Tayışma Taylan Taylanyiğit Taypura Taysan Tayşı Tayun Tayüge Tegin Tegir* Tegrenç Tekeli Tekeş Tekiş Tekir Teküder Teleboğa Telegey Telengit Temdilik Temen Temiçi Temiş Temren* Temüçin Temüke Tengiz* Tengribolmış Tengrikulu* Tengüt Tenli Tenliapa Tepiş Terdike Terek Terken* Tetik Tezginç Tığrak Tınbeğ Tınmış Tısak Tike Tilbe Tilek* Tinç Tinesi Tiregü Tirek Tiri* Tirik* Tobuk Tobula Toğma Toğman Toğsun Togay Tok Tokademir Tokak Tokay Tokaydemir Tokdoğan Tokkan Toklukdemir Toklutunga Toksaba Toksı Toksın Toksu Toksuçiğil Toksurmuş Tokta Toktakaya Toktamış Toktamışgerey Toktaş Toktay Toktu Tokumak Tokuş Tolaba Tolmuş Tolu* Toluktüge Tolum Tolun Toluntegin Tonguç Tongut Tonlutunga Tonma Tonmabakşı Tonraesim Tonrasemik Tonyukuk Topçan Toprak Toraman Torumtay Tosun Toygar Toygun Toynak Toyun Toyunçuk Tökmen Tölek* Tölekkaya Tönke Törapa Töre* Töreci* Töredi Töreli* Törpe Törtaba Törü* Törücü* Törülü* Törüngey Töşek Tuçayan Tudun Tudunyamtar Tugayörük Tuğ Tuğçu Tuğluk Tuğlukdemir Tuğlukşat Tuğra Tuğrul Tuğrulbeğ Tuğrulca Tuğşat Tuğtegin Tuğur Tuka Tukademir Tula Tulaboğa Tulu Tulunbeğ Tuluntay Tuman Tumlumınar Tumtur Tumur Tun Tunç Tundar Tunga Tungaalp Tungakağan Tungatar Tungategin Tungaturan Tunyabgu Tupulgan Tura* Turagay Turak Turalı Turan Turancı* Turançı* Turatutuk Turbay Turgay Turgul Turgut Turkun* Turmuş Turpan Tursun Turu* Turuk Turumçan Turumtay Turunçan Turunday Tuşta Tutırga Tuttarkan Tutuk Tutuş Tuygan Tuygu* Tuygun Tuynak Tuyun Tüge Tüger Tükel* Tükele Tüken Tükrünç Tüksün Tükün Tülek* Tülekdemir Tülük Tümen Tümenbeği Türçe Türçü Türe Türk Türkçü* Türkeş Türkmen Türkyiğit Türlük Tüşdemir TüşÃ¼men Tüz Tüzbayküçbars Tüzçü Tüzlü Tüzlük Tüzmüş Tüzük Tüzün* U Ubaca Uçarkam Udar Udgurmuş Udmuş Udun Udur Ugan Uganverdi Ugraç Uğrak Uğur* Ukuş Ulaş Uldız* Ulu Uluç Uluçum Uluğ Uluğerkin Uluğışbara Uluğkeyken Uluğşat Uluğtarkan Uluğtürk Ulun* Uma Umar Umuçu Umunç* Umur Umut* Unagan Uragan Ural Urbeğ Urga Uruğ Urul Urungu Urungukülük Urungukülüktok Urunguşat Urungutudun Uruoğlan Uruş Uruz Usına Usuk Usun Usuna Uşun Uşunkoca Utar Utsangun Utuş Utuz Uygur Uz Uzamış Uzçur Uzluk Ãœ Üçoğul Üçok Üçün Üçünkülüg Ãœlügbulmuş Ãœlügdü Ãœlegür Ãœlgen Ãœlkü* Ãœlkücü* Ãœlkülü* Ãœlker* Ãœrün* Ãœrüng* Ãœrüngkaş* Ãœrüngkuş Ãœregir Ãœstün* Ãœşe Ãœyründü* Y Yabaku Yabasun Yabgu Yabgudirek Yablak Yablaksarı Yabunsu Yabuz Yaçankır Yadık Yağan Yağantegin Yağıbasan Yağısıyan Yağız Yağlakar Yağlakarata Yağlakarkağan Yağlakarkağanata Yağlıbay Yağma Yağmış Yağmur* Yağrınçı Yağuk* Yakan Yakşı* Yalçın Yaldrık* Yaldruk* Yalım Yalımkaya Yalın* Yalınca Yalınguk Yalsaka Yalt Yaltaçuk Yaltapar Yaltkaya Yaman Yamar* Yamgur* Yamı Yamtar Yanal Yanbatu Yangak Yangakınal Yangıl Yangılarslan Yankı* Yapağulu Yapança Yaparlı Yapınç* Yapınçak* Yaplaksarı Yaplış Yarıcı Yarındak Yarkan Yarkaya Yarkın* Yarlık Yarmakan* Yaroğul Yarp Yartaçuk Yaruk* Yaruktegin Yarukyıldız* Yasa Yasacı Yasadur Yasağul Yasalı Yasıç Yasmıl Yaşak Yaşar* Yaşarşat Yaşın* Yaşmut Yaşuk Yatgak Yatıgma Yavlakarslan Yavuz Yayık* Yazı Yazıcı Yazır Yazgan Yazgır Yazuksuz* Yeğen Yeğençik Yeğinsilik Yeke Yeketaş Yeketaşoğul Yelekçi Yelgek Yelkin* Yerdeş Yetigen* Yetmen Yetrim* Yezek Yezirtulga Yıba Yığaç Yığım Yığın Yılbars Yıldır Yıldırım Yıldız* Yıldızcı Yıldızkağan Yıldızlı* Yılmaz Yımış Yınal Yırım Yışık Yiğbört Yiğen Yiğençur Yiğenek Yiğetmiş Yiği Yiğit Yimek Yinge Yisüntuba Yitik Yitmiş Yizek Yolak* Yolakbarçın Yolay Yoldruk* Yolduz Yonga Yongucu Yorçu Yoruk* Yosmut Yörgenç* Yörük Yubuğ Yuğruş Yul* Yula Yulak* Yulçuk Yuldruk* Yuluğ Yuluğtegin Yumak* Yumgak* Yumru* Yumruk Yumşak Yungu* Yunlu Yunlukoca Yupuğ Yurtçu Yuyruk Yüce Yügesir Yügnek Yügrükbilge Yükünç* Yüküngen* Yülek Yülükarslan Yürgeyük Yürükalp Yüzbeği KIZ ADLARI A Abaş Abaşkatun Ağabegim Açığ* Açık* Ağaça Ağanak Ağanakbike Ak* Aka Akbörü* Akbacı Akbala Akbegüm Akbudak* Akbulak* Akça* Akçapamuk Akçiçek Akerkeç Akgeyik Akı* Akın* Akınçı* Akkatun Akpamuk Alabörü* Alageyik Alakurt* Alçiçek Alma Almalık Almıla Almılalık Altın* Altınarı Altınçiçek Altınkatun Altınözük Altıntarım Altınyumak Amrak* Amul* Ankas Ant* Apak* Aral* Arbaş Arbış Ardıç* Arı* Arıgına Arık* Arıkaç Arıkan Arıkankatun Arıyağı Armağan* Arsıl* Arsal* Arslan* Arslankatun Artut* Aruk* Arzı Asana Astın Aşına Atgak Atun Ay* Aybık Aybike Ayça Ayçıl Ayçiçek Aydanarı Aydar Aydın* Aydoğdu* Aydoğmuş* Ayımça Ayız* Aykağan* Aykatun Aykonçuy Aykut Ayla Ayseli Ayyaruk Ayyıldız* Ayzıt B Bağış* Bağlan Bal Bala Balakatun Banı Banıçiçek Barça* Barçın Bars* Başak* Batrak* Baybayık* Baykal* Baylak Baylakkatun Bayrak* Begüm Bekmez Bektutmak Belek* Belgi* Belgü* Benek Bengi* Bengü* Bergü* Bezek Bezinç Bibikatun Biçke Bike Bilge* Birbenek Birebin Biriçim Boncuk* Bozbörü* Bozkurt* Böçke Bögde* Bökde* Börk Börü* Budaka Buğday* Bukuk Buluğ* Buluş* Bunsuz* Burcu Burçak* Burçın Burla Burta Buturgak Bügü* Bükün Bürçü Bürümcek Bürünçük BüşÃ¼nçek C Canı Ceyhun* Ç Çağla Çağlayan* Çalapkulu* Çankız Çemen Çemgen Çeykün* Çıngır Çiçek Çiçem Çiğdem Çilenti* Çimen Çobulmak Çocukbörü* Çokramayul* Çolman* Çolpan* Çölü D Damla Deniz* Dilek* Diri* Dizik Duru* Dururbunsuz* Duygu* E Ebin Ebkızı Ebren* Edil* Ediz* Egemen* Eğrim* Ekeç Ekim* Ekin* Elkin* Elti Engin* Erdem* Erdeni Erdeniözük Erdenikatun Erentüz* Ergene Ergenekatun Erinç* Erke Ermen* Erten Ertenözük Esen* Esenbike Eser Esin Etil* Evin Eyiz* G Gelin Gelincik Gökbörü* Gökçe* Gökçegöl Gökçen* Gökçiçek Gökşin* Gönül Görün* Gözde Gülegen* Gülemen* Güler Gülümser Gümüş Gün* Günay* Günçiçek Gündoğdu* Gündoğmuş* Güneş* Günyaruk Gürbüz* Güvercin Güzey* I Işığ* Işık* Işıl Işılay Ila* Ilaçın* Ilgın Inanç* Irmak* Isığ* Isık* Iyık* Iyıktağ* İ İdil* İkeme İkiçitoyun* İlbilge İldike İlgegü* İmrem İnci İnç* İrinç* İrinçköl* İrtiş* İtil* K Kancı* Kançı* Kapgar Karaca* Karaça* Karak* Kargılaç Karlıgaç Katun Katunkız Kayacık Kayaçık Kayça Kaynak* Kazanç* Kazkatun Kekik Keklik Kepez Kesme Keyken* Kezlik Kımız Kımızın* Kımızalma Kımızalmıla Kırçiçek Kırgavul Kırlangıç Kıvanç Kıvılcım* Kızdurmuş Kızılalma* Kızılalmıla* Kızılbörü* Kızılelma* Kızılkurt* Kızkuş Kimzin Kobuz* Konat* Konçuy Konuk* Konurbörü* Konurkurt* Kopuz* Korday Kordaykatun Koşuk* Kotku* Kökeltaş Kömçü Kömüç Kövez Köyde Kubuz* Kuğu Kukun* Kulakatun Kunçuy Kurday Kurdaykatun Kuşgaç Kut* Kutku* Kutlu* Kuyaş* Kuzu Külden Külegen* Künkatun Küntoğsu* Künyıpar M Mengü* Mengüberdi* Mengükulu* Mınar* Menli* Monçuk* Munsuz* Muyan* O Ocak* Oçak* Odguç* Oğlagu Oğlagukatun Oğur* Okşan Okşançı Olca* Olcay* Olcayterken Ordu* Orunçak* Oya Ö Ödül* Ögreyük* Öğünç* Öğüt* Öküş* Ötük* Ötüken* Övünç* Öyrüm Öyük* Özge* Özük Özürgen* Özrüm P Pamuk Paşabegim Petek Pınar* Pıtırak Pıtrak S Sadak Sağanak* Sağnak* Sakık Salcan Salılay Sandıvaç Sarıbörü* Sarıkurt* Sarmaşık Satı Satılmış* Sebük Seçkin* Selçen* Selek* Selenge* Seli Semenek* Semürgük Sengeç Sevgi Sevilsin Sevim Sevinç* Sevindi Sevindik* Sevinsin Sevük Seyhun* Seykün* Sezen Sezer Sezik Sırça Sırıçga Sırlığ Sırma Silig* Sokulgan* Söğüt Sukak Suna Sunak* Sundulaç Sunduru* Sunkişi* Suyurgal* Süğlün Sülün Sümsüçük Süyünbike T Tabrak* Tabulgu* Tadgun* Tadu* Tağlan Taktı Talkık* Talpır Talu* Tamduk* Tamgalı* Tamgalık* Tamuk Tan* Tanatmış Tanguk* Tanrıkulu* Tanrıverdi* Tanrıvermiş* Tapılgu* Tapılguç* Tapış* Taprak* Tapu* Tapusak* Tapuş* Tarı* Tarım* Tartar Tartış Tatık* Tayık* Taytuğlu Tegin Tegir* Temren* Tengelgüç Tengelgün Tengiz* Tengrikulu* Terken* Terkenkatun Tersün Tilek* Tiri* Tirik* Toklu Tolu* Tolunay Torku Tökünçe Tölek* Töre* Töreci* Töreli* Törü* Törücü* Törülü* Tulat Tumagan Tumguyun Tuna Tura* Turagına Turancı* Turançı* Turga Turku Turkun* Turna Turu* Turuga Tutaşı Tutçu Tutşu Tuygu* Tuzakı Tuzkıya Tükel* Tülek* Türkçü* Tütsü Tütsük Tüzün* U Uçmak Uğur* Ular Ulas Uldız* Ulun* Ulus Umay Umunç* Umut* Uygul Ãœ Ãœlker* Ãœlkü* Ãœlkücü* Ãœlkülü* Ãœrçgün Ãœrün* Ãœrüng* Ãœrüngkaş* Ãœstem Ãœstün* Ãœyründü* Ãœzüm Y Yağmur* Yağuk* Yakşı* Yaldrık* Yaldruk* Yalın* Yamar* Yamgur* Yankı* Yapağı Yapınç* Yapırgak Yaprak Yarkın* Yarmakan* Yarpuz Yaruk* Yarukyıldız* Yaşar* Yaşın* Yayık* Yazuksuz* Yelkin* Yemşen Yeter Yetigen* Yetrim* Yıldız* Yıldızlı* Yıpar Yinçü Yingçe Yingçegüzel Yingçeyakşı Yolak* Yoldruk* Yonca Yonçka Yorınça Yorınçga Yoruk* Yörgenç* Yuğak Yul* Yulak* Yuldruk* Yulduz Yulyulak Yumak* Yumgak* Yumru* Yumuşga Yungu* Yunkuş Yügür Yükünç* Yüküngen* Quoting Trudy: Quoting emreeren1: Öztürkçe insan isimleri: ERKEK ADLARI: Aba 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Yüküngen* Nice list. Are you going to give us translations / meanings of all those names? Oh my goodness! Is that the longest post in history ! Someone will have to work hard to translate THOSE! Hehehe Now, this is the longest post in TLC History.... (Don't say it, I know)

Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1043.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 10:02 am Quoting LCT: LCT:Is holding Turkish nationality the only qualification for understanding Turkey? I think that those that live here, were educated here, read the newspapers here, and watch the news on TV here, do have a better understanding than almost all foreigners. YES Well that means that everybody who holds Turkish nationality has an understanding of the problem.. AKP,CHP,MHP,....etc.the people.... Do you agree with all these people? You cannot fully agree until you fully understand. Do you have to be black to understand that racism is wrong? Do you have to be a woman to understand that sexism is wrong? No! No, but a black may have more understanding being subjected to racism than a white, and a woman may have more understanding of being subjected to sexism than a man second point How do you know I don't hold Turkish citizenship? I was not born in this country that is true but I live here. I think we all know that. But, having not being raised here, or educated here, or having read extensivally on turkish history and political subjects, your opinion is not as valid lets say as a person who has gone through nearly 20 years of the turkish educational system I speak some Turkish and I came here to learn some more. I got into an argument with someone here mainly because I objected to having my grammar corrected in English. I wanted it to be corrected in Turkish... I like ice hockey. Neither point has anything to do with turkish politics I do not defend the sort of nationalism we are talking about anywhere...We may never agree on this but nationalism for me is aborrent... You have the right to your opinion. Even if it is uninformed... I do not defend the nationalism of the country I was born in or any other country..I am an internationalist... I would be very interested to know what country you are from....can you tell us? You work it out? Isn't that scary? Work what out? Your messages are so cryptic...

Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1044.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 08:28 am Quoting LCT: What gives you the right to think that your understanding of Turkey is any better or more correct than mine? Because the people you are disagreeing with are Turks, and you are not. Back in the early 1920s when the republic was formed the need for a strong national identity in order to cement a bulwark against the threat of imperialism was very real and wholly justified. However this is no longer the early 1920s and those conditions have long since gone. Long since gone? Take a look at Turkey's Arab neighbors. This is not the type of government that will continue Turkey's modernization. It seems to me that the doctrine of nationalism has remained like a stuck clock. Are you sure your not talking about the Arabic Muslim governments, not Turkey? Why are those people on the rallies not attacking the AKP on questions of poverty, education and the War in Iraq? You form the anti-Iraq war rally, and I will come. Because the majority of those behind it are from the lower and upper middle classes and therefore do not share those concerns. They have the same position on those issues as the AKP. They are relatively comfortable and can so afford to worry about the ghost of laicism. It is the only thing they can cling to, to use as a tool to voice their fears. This point is so un-clear They were saying on the rallies.. No left.. No right let's come together a third way.... That has a very scary precedence.. How is this scary? There was no violence. The only thing scary is the posibilty of a backwards islamic government

Thread: meeting in İzmir!!!

1045.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 May 2007 Wed 08:10 am Quoting LCT: Those rallies in İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir and Manisa with the concurrent rise in nationalism scare me more than anything the AKP say. Some of those on the demo would prefer a coup than to uphold the democratic process just because they don't like who might get elected. A strange way to claim they are defending democracy. In this short paragraph, you have displayed however that you don't fully understand turkish history, especially in the post WWI era. Turkey would be nothing without its staunch defense of secularism. And foreseeing the potential in the future for a pro-islamic government to be in power, Ataturk made it impossible for them to run government. And Ataturk himself gave the military not only the authority, but THE RESPONSIBILITY, to not let an Islamic government take hold. As foreigner, the turkish military's actions might scare you, but it does not scare the turkish people. The militray's approval rating remains in the high 90's. At best, the AK Party approval ratings are in the high 40's. These demonstrations are clear support for government as Ataturk envisioned and established here.

Thread: eurovision 2007

1046.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 May 2007 Mon 05:41 pm Quoting LCT: She gave without doubt the best performance of the evening. She was streets above the others in terms of vocal ability and that is why she won. Keith's Eurovision Quiz Question Anyone who has watched this event at least once knows: A. talent alone does not win this event. B. that they can predict 2 of the 3 top votes for each country C. Cyprus will give 12 points to Greece automatically D. Turkey's 12 points for Armenia is the closest to an apology they will ever get. E. All of the above

Thread: Should I visit Turkey at this period!??!

1047.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 May 2007 Mon 04:12 pm All the political demonstrations have been non-violent. Turkey/istanbul is as safe now as ever.

Thread: opinions about eurovision 2007

1048.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 May 2007 Mon 06:10 am Quoting gezbelle: erm...ok...i was watching the entries on youtube. did anyone notice how greece's entry and turkey's entry were fighteningly similar??!! down to singing in english, a guy dancing with a group of girls, both songs about a girl!! OMG! who is ripping off who?? kenan doğulu (turkey): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD5-H00MW_A sarbel (greece): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqXK52lCL38 and they were both lame...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1049.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 May 2007 Mon 09:04 am Quoting kaddersokak: no body needs ur help. go ahead and modernize and democratize Turkey first. Ottoman period is over. Turkey has the 16th largest economy in the world, the largest of any muslim nation. And this is without the benefit of oil export. Turkey is by far the most democratic muslim nation in the middle east as well. Arabya should be so lucky to be governed by Turks again instead of American and British.

Thread: Democracy and Turkey

1050.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 May 2007 Thu 03:57 pm The gap between the rich and the poor in Turkey is very high. There are only a handful of industrialized areas in Turkey to find good-paying jobs. Because of this, the poorest of Turks (and least educated) will be the ones that seek employment in Europe's Industrial cities if the borders were opened. It won't be the educated, skilled Turks that attempt to find work elsewhere. Turkey will be Europes's largest country within 10 years (population). The possibility of so many workers (maybe more than a million) flooding Europe with cheap labor frightens most Europeans. This is the major reason I see that Europe is hesitant to integrate Turkey into EU. I doubt very much that religion has much to do with it. The EU's religion is profit...

Thread: Democracy and Turkey

1051.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 May 2007 Thu 01:45 am I have thought this for a long time. Piss on the EU... In 10 years, there will be no advantage. Stay true to self governing secularism.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1052.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 09:38 pm Quoting Trudy: Well, on Sunday 6th we all know more. A new try to elect a president. I don't think so. They announced that they will not vote for President again until after General Elections.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1053.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:31 pm How can you criticize Turkish government, when your government doesnt have real elections? This is specifically what I am asking.

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1054.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:22 pm Canli, Egypt doesnt have real elections. How can you say your country emulates french government?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1055.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 11:56 am Quoting mltm: Quoting erdinc: Look at this picture. You will see mens desk and womens desk. This is Istanbul and they are paying their water bills to councils pay desk. I can't believe that! This is not possible?! This is Erdogan's AK Parti Istanbul....and his vision for Turkey.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1056.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 11:54 am Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: Then they should have waited till the election time comes and not interfear . The Presidential election by Parliament is now. General Elections are later. The term of President is 6 years. There was no time to wait. No blood has been shed. No swords were drawn. Only military enforcing constitution. And now, Erdogan wants to change constitution. So, he does not accept the constitution the way that Ataturk had it drafted. Even more reason he has to go.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1057.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 11:45 am The most ironic thing of all Canli is that your country, Egypt, has no democracy at all. Your presidential elections have had only one candidate since the early 80's. And Mubarik is grooming his son to become the next king....I mean president.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1058.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 11:00 am Erdogan may ask for a new vote in parliment, but it will be impossible to get 2/3 vote needed.

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1059.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 10:35 am Quoting Trudy: Another question: I read earlier that the Supreme Court said the last vote was invalid because there were only 361 instead of 367 members of Parliament when voting. But now I read that the AK party wants a new round of votes, starting tomorrow. With Gül still as their candidate. Anyone who can explain? AK party did want the voting to continue. But constitutional court has thrown out first round of votes.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1060.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 10:34 am Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: . is what the people wanted, . +100000000 That is the point KeithL ,that is what im talking about. Islamic law or not was not the issue,we just been off the Topic. And that is THE TOPIC what people want,and that i accept and its very much ok with me. Let people choose without having any swards on their necks ! And by that i rest my case But, if the military had not threatened Erdogan, there would be no early elections. This was a confrontation between Erdogan and Buyukanit. The people have chosen Buyukanit. Clearly. Again, I realize that this balance of power between government and military only works correctly in Turkey, but this system does work...

Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1061.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 08:59 am Quoting boradiz: Yesterday was a more "sentimental" day then last year because exactly 30 years ago in Taksim, we had the "bloody May day". More than 30 people were murdered by unknown attackers. As far as I know, many people wanted to make a commemoration. (I am not sure of this last phrase) According to goverment officals, they had some tip of an alleged attack (suicide bomob)against these people. With help of tear gas and brute force the police saved these people's lives. This happens every year though, (shutting the transportation shutting down on May Day). It has only gotten more exposure abroad this year because of other recent political events.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1062.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 07:55 am Again Canli, you are missing the original point. We don't care how Islamic law effects peoples lives in other countries. If you are happy with it,i am happy for you. But here in Turkey, the people have rejected it. And will continue to reject it it. The voting in June will show this. Early elections is what the people wanted, and what the militray wanted.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1063.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:35 am Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: What about my egyptian colleagues not being able to join me in certain hotel restaurants? Is this the islamic freedom you are speaking of? KeithL,alcohol is forbidden in the 3 religions not just İslam. Canli, this is our point. We do not want to be governed by islamic law (or any religous law).

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1064.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:31 am You are right aslı, my last post stated as such. And not arguing I hope. Sharing and explaining ideas. Except for Quasi. I'm willling to pass a law banning him from istanbul...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1065.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:19 am We have gone off topic here. New elections are coming in june. The people will speak. Turks will have their democracy.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1066.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:16 am What about my egyptian colleagues not being able to join me in certain hotel restaurants? Is this the islamic freedom you are speaking of?

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1067.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:07 am Quoting Quasimodo: Yeah, Cairo may look like so, but at least it is still called a city. So what about Istanbul, the least developed but the biggest village of the world? Great....the hatred shows its colors. We'll be more than happy to keep you out.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1068.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 01:03 am I am not an expert at all on cairo. But, here are a few of my observations. I stay at Nile hilton and other hotels similar in that area. These hotels have bars and casinos. My egyptian colleagues are not allowed to join me. You must have a foreign passport to enter. The only place I know where there are pubs is on the island where the consualtes are. So alcohol is not so freely available. Segregated subways. Women in front only, no men. I am not saying these are bad laws for cairo. but i donot wish to see them come to istanbul. Nude beaches in Cairo? Did I miss soemthing?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1069.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 12:36 am Cairo lives under islamic law and is living the way most cities did 50 years ago.

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1070.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 12:30 am Comparing Dubai to typical Arab cities is ridiculous. Lets look at damascus, tehran, bahgdad, cairo, these kinds of cities for comparison.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1071.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 12:25 am I agree that Erdogan has been OK as PM. But the hundreds of thousands of demonstrators proves that the people do not want to see him or Gul as President. And it also proves how much the people trust Buyukanıt.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1072.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 12:10 am None of this matters now. With early elections in June, Erdogan and Gul are finished. And they only have themselves to blame.

Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1073.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 May 2007 Wed 12:01 am I had my first taste of tear gas today, thank you to the lefties. I had an appointmnet in Sultan Ahmet area this afternoon. But with no buses, tram or metro running. Had to walk from Mecidiyekoy to get there.... Needed the exercise i guess. But I stopped at my friends hotel in Taksim for a little while and had a front row view of some of the excitement. Also, only one lane on both bridges were open as they were searching every car. Traffic line in first bridge was to Fenerbahce almost. Why do communists always create lines?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1074.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 11:10 pm KeithL..... My words are very clear,and no need to prediction. İ said in any case Army should NOT threat a governmet. (By turkish constitution, this is armys duty.) İ said army SHOULD be ruled by governmet. (Turkey is different than other countries. It is armys responsibility to protect the constitution and the people from the government) The point was,a government has been elected by people should only rule both people and army. (37% of people voted for erdogan for PM, not President. An islamist cannot become President. Its that simple)

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1075.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 11:05 pm Canli, I'm not saying you hate Ataturk. You may not even know who Ataturk is. But it is true that the very pro-islamists hate Ataturk. When you go to other Islamic countries and discuss Turkish politics, they speak of Ataturk as their worst enemy.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1076.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 10:30 pm Quoting CANLI: Quoting KeithL: I dont know where you get your information from. People bussed in from all regions of turkey for both events, not only Istanbul and Ankara. And I'm sure you are aware that Istanbul and Ankara are the two largest cities. Between them, they represent about 25% of the country's population. And soon, there will be a rally in Germany by Turks who live there, also against AK Party. Look who is against the AK party gaining the presidency. It is the well educated Turks. University staff, business leaders, senior military staff. Do you think these people are stupid? Not living in Turkey, where do you form your opinion on this subject? İ get my information from Turkish people not only live in İstanbul and Ankara . And i dont really understand what you aim for . Do you say only well educated people, University staff, business leaders, senior military staff have rights for election and choose who is their leaders,and other people NOT ?!! İ dont think all those people are stupid,i think everyone entitled to his opinion whether he is well educated or NOT! Beside everyone of those got his own agenda which indicate his opinion. And rally in Germany by Turks who are living there away from their home land not feeling the achievement that their current government which been elected by poeple of Türkiye did,what would that say ?!!! And i wonder those Turk who live in Germany where do they form their opinion about this subject from ?!!! You are living in İstanbul,then where do you form your opinion about what other people who live outside think ?! İ guess those are not logic questions,right ?! I only ask because your words sound like the words that are spoken by people thathate Ataturk. There are those that wish Turkey was still ruled by Islamic Law. So these people, and the secular followers of Ataturk will never agree on this issue. Additionally, the people that hate Ataturk are more influenced by Arab Agenda, not Turkish Agenda. This is what the post refering to Arab followers was referring. Not rascism.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1077.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 10:26 pm Armegon, Your post should have explained to anyone that did not understand why AK Party (or any other fundamental islamic polticians) cannot become President. And for those that keep pointing out Erdogan was elected PM, remember, he had less than 40% of the vote. So a majority of Turks did not vote for him. I will agree that he has been OK as PM, but as President, never.

Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1078.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 11:21 am Quoting ani_istanbul: okay its May Day but what has changed this year? It was more quiet last years.. The police are using tear gas anad have arrested maybe 100 people so far.

Thread: Another may day in Istanbul...

1079.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 May 2007 Tue 11:06 am I left early for work today, knowing traffic might be worse, (It's May day). The lefties did not dissapoint and there getting their heads beat by the police today, (God bless them). Whoever said that yesterdays demonstation was by leftist politics was defnitely confused. Today is their day... Trudy, you asked what it was like during previous military takeovers. During the'70s, the left and right, beat each other in the streets, literally. The militray stepped in and restored order, and a new government.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1080.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 09:57 pm Quoting qdemir: Quoting KeithL: Thats not what I hear from those I know with children in school. And others feel the same way. This is the same man that banned alcohol in istanbul 10 years ago. He or Gul, or any other AK Party leader cannot be trusted as President. And if they are so good for economy, then why has TUSIAD also spoken out against them? Who, when, where, why, how!? I didn't know that. Erdogan was mayor of Istanbul in the 1990's. And when he was mayor, he tried to ban the sale of alcohol in Istanbul. He did this by introducing a law saying it was forbidden to sell alcohol within "100 or 200" meters of camii's. Well, there are camii's everywhere. So this law would have shut down every pub in Istanbul.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1081.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 04:56 pm Quoting erdinc: We will fix the problems. Don't you worry. Those Arab admirers in Turkia can be sure they will pay for their actions. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1082.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 11:03 am I dont know where you get your information from. People bussed in from all regions of turkey for both events, not only Istanbul and Ankara. And I'm sure you are aware that Istanbul and Ankara are the two largest cities. Between them, they represent about 25% of the country's population. And soon, there will be a rally in Germany by Turks who live there, also against AK Party. Look who is against the AK party gaining the presidency. It is the well educated Turks. University staff, business leaders, senior military staff. Do you think these people are stupid? Not living in Turkey, where do you form your opinion on this subject?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1083.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 10:41 am He was elected as Prime Minister, not President. Millions of Turks have marched in the last weeks. Turks are voting, with their voices and their feet. Aren't you listening?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1084.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 10:25 am I believe in following Ataturk's outline for secularism. I have no problem with women wearing headscarves. Or men being religous. But in the past AK Party/Welare party beliefs have influenced politics and law. This alone makes Erdogan or Gul unacceptable for President.

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1085.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 10:08 am Thats not what I hear from those I know with children in school. And others feel the same way. This is the same man that banned alcohol in istanbul 10 years ago. He or Gul, or any other AK Party leader cannot be trusted as President. And if they are so good for economy, then why has TUSIAD also spoken out against them?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1086.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 09:50 am Than why are the public school's showing greater emphasis in teaching Islam? This has happened during the rise of AK Party. This is a greater concern than his wife's headscarf...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1087.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 09:23 am Of course being religous is not wrong. But, bringing religion into government is wrong. The constitution set by Ataturk is clear. If Turkey has to choose between satisfying EU law or satisfying Ataturk law, who do you think they will choose?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

1088.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Apr 2007 Mon 08:30 am Caglayan Square is very near my home, so we went there yesterday to take part. Turkey is special, and different. You cannot compare its struggle to modernize and maintain its independence to any other country's. In a sense, this country is still being governed by Ataturk (and thats a good thing). The constitution is very clear regrading secularism. Some feel that Buyukanit was out of line in his midnight statement on Friday. But it is his duty to make clear that unsecular leadership in Turkey will not be tolerated. And by announcing this at midnight on Friday, he minimized any damage to turkish stock market and economy. Lets not forget that Erdogan spent time in jail as mayor of Istanbul, after wideranging laws he made that are in-line with fundamental islamic law. Some no different than what we would expect from Taliban or Iranian government. Is this the direction we want Turkey to follow? And since erdogan and gul have come to power, islamic teaching has received more priority in public schools. Schools hold contests for children who can memorize and recite the Koran the best. This is not the type of education needed to move Turkey forward. Even TUSIAD has come forward with its opposition to an AK Party Presidency. Turkey is secular and will remain secular...

Thread: Istanbul building collapsed

1089.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Apr 2007 Thu 08:48 pm Nobody dead I dont think. Sounds like they heard the building cracking and the people left before it came down.

Thread: Boğaz Bridge on Monday...

1090.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Apr 2007 Thu 09:03 am You cant see it in the pictures, but on the left, there were some white lights that are supposed to look like the star and crescent on the flag.

Thread: Boğaz Bridge on Monday...

1091.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Apr 2007 Thu 08:58 am It wasnt like this last night. Do you mean all holidays?

Thread: Boğaz Bridge on Monday...

1092.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Apr 2007 Thu 08:53 am This might be the first time. I've never seen it before.

Thread: Boğaz Bridge on Monday...

1093.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Apr 2007 Wed 10:08 pm Quoting libralady: Quoting KeithL: Anyone else see the Boğazici Bridge on Monday night? It was lit up in red lights. I have never seen that before on previous holidays. I took the ferry home form Kadikoy on monday night and the site was really beau.tiful. Dozens on the boat were getting pictures with their cell phones. One of the few times I wish I had a nice, new phone... Time to treat yourself Keith, or maybe wait until your birthday and then you can have as many virtual phones as you like. My birthday is in two weeks.....hint hint

Thread: Boğaz Bridge on Monday...

1094.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Apr 2007 Wed 08:07 am Anyone else see the Boğazici Bridge on Monday night? It was lit up in red lights. I have never seen that before on previous holidays. I took the ferry home form Kadikoy on monday night and the site was really beau.tiful. Dozens on the boat were getting pictures with their cell phones. One of the few times I wish I had a nice, new phone...

Thread: what about yogurt soup?

1095.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Apr 2007 Wed 07:56 am Sorry Robyn, I just saw this. I add chick peas and small pasta to my yogurt soup. Sometimes, I fry garlic in the butter as well. Just made it this week actually.

Thread: Private Message spamming

1096.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2007 Fri 08:55 am Do people get warned before they are deleted? Or does it come unannouced? Of course if it is obcene or offensive, of course there needs to be no warning....

Thread: Private Message spamming

1097.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Apr 2007 Fri 08:51 am Quoting libralady: You know what spam is??? A sort of chopped processed meat (pork)in a can! From Minnesota!

Thread: Monthly salary in Turkey

1098.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2007 Tue 09:22 am Not alot of money. You will pay at leaast half of that on housing.

Thread: Creating a map of the countries you\\\

1099.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Apr 2007 Tue 07:25 am work....

Thread: Creating a map of the countries you\\\

1100.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Apr 2007 Mon 11:01 pm Quoting Trudy: Quoting KeithL: My map, 15% http://www.world66.com/myworld66/visitedCountries Azerbaycan is in Europe??? This is not your map, Keith. It's just the blank one to fill in. Thank you Trudy, Here it is... http://www.world66.com/myworld66/visitedCountries/worldmap?visited=CAUSMXBSBMCQEGALATAZBEBABGHRCZDKFRDEGRHUITLILUMKNLPLRUYUSKSICHIQPQTRKZ

Thread: Creating a map of the countries you\\\

1101.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Apr 2007 Mon 09:38 am My map, 15% http://www.world66.com/myworld66/visitedCountries Azerbaycan is in Europe???

Thread: Quick Poll : What do you think about capital punishment?

1102.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Apr 2007 Sun 09:24 am I am against capital punishment also. In the US, the only ones who are executed are the poor. And these are the ones that do not have the resources for proper self-defense. With DNA analysis now available, it has shown that up to 25% of those tested on death row were in fact innocent of the crime they were sentenced for.

Thread: I miss what Turkish Class was...

1103.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2007 Fri 08:34 am Now thats a great idea for a thread... WHO SHOULD WE BAN NEXT????

Thread: I miss what Turkish Class was...

1104.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Apr 2007 Fri 12:44 am Catwoman, That is exactly right too. But we all agree that we would like to see more postive energy here. With good weather coming, maybe that will spill into the forums.

Thread: I miss what Turkish Class was...

1105.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2007 Thu 03:44 am I think the difference here now is the sensitivity levelamongst the users. Before, all topics could be discussed with an open mind, an no attempt to be self-rightous or hurtful. I think we are seeing alot of both of these qualities in people the last few months in the posts they create and their responses to others. I do think that the better monitoring of the chat room is a great idea and can only bring the site back to where we all want it to be. Inşallah...

Thread: I miss what Turkish Class was...

1106.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Apr 2007 Thu 03:35 am Quoting gilly: yes we have lost something - like do you remember when we had the night crew - those that did the nightshift will know what i am talking about. people used to be on at night?

Thread: Florya Park Hotel

1107.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Apr 2007 Sun 05:30 am My brother and a few of my employees have stayed there a before. It is clean and somewhat near the train station. Actually further from the airport than you would think. Anyway, its fine, but like elisa pointed out, not a very active area.

Thread: i was born here..just take a look at the link ;)

1108.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Mar 2007 Thu 08:56 am As long as we are showing where we were born, this is my birthplace. http://www.saaldorf-surheim.de/40.0.html

Thread: i was born here..just take a look at the link ;)

1109.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Mar 2007 Thu 06:01 am I work near there in Aliağa.

Thread: What are you listening now?

1110.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2007 Wed 09:50 pm Ray Charles - What'd I Say, Parts 1 & 2

Thread: What are you listening now?

1111.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Mar 2007 Wed 05:56 pm The Decemberists - Sons & Daughters

Thread: Turkey

1112.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2007 Tue 03:18 am I still do not read it in a different way. But, I trust your word.

Thread: Turkey

1113.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Mar 2007 Tue 01:54 am Quoting Quasimodo: Quoting dulcemexicana: You all can make questions of my country too How are Zapatistas doing? Are they OK? How do they live day-to-day? How do they think? How do they feel? How do they eat and drink? How do they struggle? How do they fall in love with one another? How do they love one other? How do they look after one another? What would look like to fall in love with a Zapatistian girl? What would feel to take her by hand? To carry the same weapon with her? To fight with her together? I should really bite my tongue here. But I'm not going to. There are several at this site that would be very offended if the same questions were asked about the "young turks" or similar. Why do we need this rudeness? She is a young girl and was only being polite. Why ridicule her?

Thread: What are you listening now?

1114.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 11:14 pm The Clash - Career Opportunities

Thread: What are you listening now?

1115.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 09:17 pm Klee - This Is For Everyone

Thread: Turkey

1116.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 08:53 pm Quoting dulcemexicana: You all are so sweet. Thank you very much. Someone is this forum have ever been in Turkey? I think most have been here more than once.

Thread: What book are you reading now?

1117.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 08:48 pm I think you can tell a little about someone by the books they read. Are you academic? Or are you fluff? Or are you both? The Great War for Civilisation Robert Fisk A very dear friend of mine from TC suggested this book and I'm grateful to her.

Thread: Turkey

1118.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 03:43 pm Quoting Elisa: I'd suggest you girls to stay at a hotel and see from there. Your friend can still meet her love, but by staying in a hotel there are no commitments. You can still go out and meet, but you have to be realistic. In case of a "worst case scenario" you'll both be happy to have a place of your own. Istanbul is a huge city, but don't let it intimidate you, don't get all paranoid. Just use your common sense and you'll be fine. Have a great trip Hmmmm...He probably won't be too happy about this but probably good advice.

Thread: do you have any confession?:)

1119.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Mar 2007 Mon 07:21 am I've never heard about drugs, but i think drinking is a writers sterotype..

Thread: Grrrrrrr - What is bugging you today?!

1120.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2007 Fri 03:37 pm Quoting libralady: Quoting Elisa: Having had a classic white night. I feel as if I'm on some kind of high now, but I haven't really figured out yet whether it feels good or bad I am intrigued as to what a "white night" is? me too....

Thread: What are you eating today.....

1121.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2007 Fri 12:51 am any of my words in the last few days???? no...I'm good

Thread: Please cancel my membership

1122.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2007 Fri 12:27 am were kai and vineyard part of your evil but genius plot as well?

Thread: Ref: Istanbul

1123.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Mar 2007 Fri 12:18 am Well, the new tunnel we'll change this alot. But one of the biggest problems is the boats stop at 21.45 to 22.00. So you have to plan everything around the ferybots. Unless you want to take a dolmuş or taksi and some people dont want to do that late at night. during the day, traffic is bad at the bridges and other parts of the city. So yes, the boğaz is a divider for people.

Thread: You Tube banned in Turkey

1124.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Mar 2007 Wed 06:40 pm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6427355.stm I didn't post this to debate the issue. But to let people know there are programs available that mask your IP address so that you can get restricted content. There are many US websites, that dont allow complete access from overseas. Another option is a program called "My PC" which actually allows you to access the internet through a server in a different country.

Thread: Uzun İnce Bir Yoldayım

1125.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Mar 2007 Wed 05:35 pm I use Bearshare sometimes also.

Thread: What are you listening now?

1126.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Mar 2007 Wed 04:37 pm Don McLean - Vincent

Thread: Grrrrrrr - What is bugging you today?!

1127.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Mar 2007 Tue 11:01 pm Quoting libralady: It is pooring with rain and I am supposed to be doing a training run today for my next 10K!! But I don't do rain.............. We have a 10K race back home called "The Beer Run". And literally, they give you free beer through the entire race... I love training for that one!

Thread: red lentil soup-kirmizi mercimek corbasi

1128.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Mar 2007 Tue 06:27 am That is nearly identical to the one I make. I make a fresh pot every week.

Thread: What are you listening now?

1129.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 09:29 pm Ray Charles - Hallelujah I Love Her So (Live)

Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!!

1130.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 07:45 pm I never called you rascist. Nor have I ever called anyone here that. I just dont know what the big deal of a girl wearing a headscarf is. Unless parents are endangering their children, I think we need to let them parent the best they can. Its a hard enough job as it is. I apologize if I hurt your feelings. That wasnt the intenet.

Thread: hamam sefası

1131.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 07:21 pm Quoting KeithL: beware of the buyuk hamam bocek's... large bugs in the istanbul hamam's

Thread: hamam sefası

1132.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 07:14 pm maybe you should be afraid of some of the corners too...

Thread: hamam sefası

1133.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 07:03 pm beware of the buyuk hamam bocek's...

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1134.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 06:43 pm I thought this argument had been safety? But the pictures clearly show that safety is not an issue. So now we are back to arguing about something else, which is what I have said this is all along. And that is religous intolerence. Children follow the religous practice of their parents, and thats the way it should be. This little girl is a muslim. And wearing the headscarf is her family tradition. And for whatever reason (fill in the blank), headscarves and muslims make some people uncomfortable... This intolerance is sad...

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1135.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Mar 2007 Mon 06:54 am What was I thinking???? I've never seen anything more dangerous in my life!!!! Those scarves could really hurt me...

Thread: The Ultimate Rejection Letter

1136.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 09:11 pm I'm sure he'll be back under a new name.

Thread: what about yogurt soup?

1137.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 09:09 pm Thanks robyn. Thats the basic version of the recipe that I also use (similar anyway). But I have had it with more ingredients in it to and its is wonderful!!

Thread: tavuk pilav

1138.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 09:04 pm Saray has some of the best tavuk pilav in istanbul!!

Thread: What are you eating today.....

1139.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 09:03 pm Chicken rice soup and yogurt.

Thread: what about yogurt soup?

1140.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:59 pm Anyone have a good variation of yogurt soup?

Thread: red lentil soup-kirmizi mercimek corbasi

1141.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:51 pm I prefer mint on top. But mercimek is my favorite.

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1142.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:41 pm Quoting mheart72: other teams pull out of the competition too after that. There is hope for humanity after all...

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1143.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:34 pm Good for her coach though in pulling the team out of the tournamnet. An excellent role model for his young athletes.

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1144.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:19 pm Quoting robyn : as far as i know fifa banned metal spikes, it is now plastic stubs only.. And when they make skin contact, they still rip through skin...

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1145.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:18 pm Quoting mheart72: the rules of the FIFA doesnt exactly prohibits the wearing of hijab. What they prohibit is wearing ornaments/clothes that may pose a danger to the player itself and other players. The girl came from Ontario and her wearing a hijab while playing is allowed. The Ontario soccer association(or whatever they call it) doesnt think it poses a danger. But then their team went to Quebec to compete in a tournament. As their is no specific rules as to the prohibition of wearing hijab it was the referee who decided and believed that its dangerous. But the coach was complaining because the team already played like 3 games on that specific tournament before the referre decided its dangerous. Doesn't the Iranian women's team wear headscarves in FIFA competition?

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1146.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:15 pm I was only referencing your last post aenigma. And Cap, a saftey pin in her hair is more dangerous than the spikes they wear on their feet???? The issue is ridiculous, especially at age 11. The headscarf issue in the western world is totally hypocritical and harassment.

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1147.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:09 pm Are you implying her headscarf is endangering the other players?

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1148.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:06 pm And very important that Canada keep their athletic standards high for a little girl wearing a scarf in football. But funny how they overlook the mental, physical and even sexual abuse of young boys in the junior hockey leagues.... excellent priorities!

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1149.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 08:02 pm This is a bigger issue than football.

Thread: I love how adults make rules for children who than grow up to either hate or feel inferior

1150.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 07:59 pm Why have I never heard of people complain about nuns who wear traditional headress or jews that wear their varieties of head apparel or amish and menonites. I understand the headscarf issue in Turkey because of its fundamental need to be secular. But in Europe and N. America, it is harrassment and double standard.

Thread: Here is a very likeable US President

1151.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 05:37 am Quoting vineyards: When do you think the US will have a female president or a colored one? No disrespect, but you really can't say colored anymore (since the 60's anyway). I think black or african-american are the only two accepted at the moment. Anyway, neither will win in my opinion. I think another will slip in at the end. Another white male. Obama maybe in 4 or 8 years. Bakalim...

Thread: Here is a very likeable US President

1152.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 03:04 am I completely support your opinion..

Thread: Here is a very likeable US President

1153.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:58 am Not only the looks. So many of our politicians (even in Turkey) lie through their teeth while they put on their "honest face" Jimmy Carter was a man of highest integrity, and brought honor to the office while he was in it, and every day since he has left.

Thread: Here is a very likeable US President

1154.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Mar 2007 Sun 02:37 am Regardless of opinion, Carter was certainly the most educated President, possibly ever. He was an engineer (nuclear). He was a WWII veteran in the navy and went on to become a nuclear (not nuke-u-lar) submarine commander. Would going to war over Afganistan have been any more advantagous than going to war over Viet Nam which had only ended a few years prior? He continued the SALT talks, he maintained relations with China after Nixon, and did attempt a military rescue of the American hostages in Tehran. The problems that Carter faced would have dogged any President in that period. Carter was preaching global warming and energy conservation 40 years ago, long before it became fashionable. If anything, Carter was President years ahead of his time.

Thread: Racism in TC

1155.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Mar 2007 Fri 04:04 pm Quoting AllTooHuman: Congratulations, gilly! This is your first post! So, welcome to TC! First post??? This cant be right..

Thread: 10 Reasons to Switch to Linux

1156.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:55 am OK....go sleep...

Thread: 10 Reasons to Switch to Linux

1157.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Feb 2007 Tue 12:35 am Why problems with Coca-Cola and McDonald's, but not Microsoft?

Thread: Obtaining a visa for someone else.....

1158.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Feb 2007 Mon 11:50 pm It is possible. there is no application form. You just need to bring their passport to the turkish consulate. it is a 1-3 day process.

Thread: What made you embarassed today... :S

1159.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Feb 2007 Wed 08:38 pm Not today, but last week... I went to the doctor (I broke my arm). He asked how long ago it happened. I had to tell him, almost a month ago when I was in the states. A less than genius moment I have to say...

Thread: The 5-story building collapsed in Istanbul

1160.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Feb 2007 Wed 07:19 pm I think the most frightening things is that this building was on a list to be condemned. And apparently, there is a list of over 16,000 other buildings listed to be torn down due to structural deficiency. My question is, where will the money come from to tear down these buildings? These flats are all owned. What person will agree to allow their flat to be torn down without compensation. This is a very serious problem without the financial resources to rectify.

Thread: The 5-story building collapsed in Istanbul

1161.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Feb 2007 Wed 07:13 pm From what I have heard, there was a wood oven bakery in the building next door. They think the heat from the oven compromised the framework of the builsing nextdoor. And then when they tearing down the bakery building, the building collapsed. This area is by the airport, not far from the Galleria shopping center.

Thread: Friends in Istanbul

1162.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Feb 2007 Tue 01:21 am Quoting nastica: hey im from moldova, my love life is going to stop in istanbul... i'll contact you when i'll get there I'm very very happy for you what does that mean???

Thread: What are you listening now?

1163.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Feb 2007 Sat 06:06 pm Sandanista, The Clash

Thread: Less than 12 hours to go.......

1164.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Feb 2007 Sat 01:37 pm If you took the train that circles at Taksim Square, it goes down the hill through beyoglu to galatasaray high school, and then startz going uphill again until it gets to Tunel, which is in Galata. There are several alternative bars in the area near there where the US Consulate used to be. But Beyoglu itself has hundreds of clubs maybe.

Thread: Turks: A nation with a passion for food!"

1165.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Feb 2007 Sat 12:38 am Quoting aenigma x: Hahahaha! I will make a rare sexist comment now..... MEN ARE THE SAME THE WORLD OVER!!!! dimi?????

Thread: i need to help for this essay

1166.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Feb 2007 Fri 02:15 am Cany believe I missed "Declaration of Independence" Great Group Effort!

Thread: i need to help for this essay

1167.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 11:33 pm The Passion of Thomas Gilcrease Thomas Gilcrease, a descendant of Creek Indians, became an instant millionaire when oil was discovered on his homestead in 1907. He spent most of his fortune collecting objects that tell the story of the american frontier, particularly of the Native American experience. The Thomas Gilcrease Institute of American History and Arts in Tulsa, Oklahoma, is the result of his lifelong passion. This huge collection, more than 10,000 works of art, 90,000 historical documents, and 250,000 native american artifacts, spans the centuries from 10,000 B.C. to the 1950s. Awed visitors can view nearly 200 George Catlin paintings of Native American life. They can walk among paintings and bronze sculptures by Frederic Remington with names like The Coming And Going Of The Pony Express that call up images of the West. Museumgoers can admire Thomas Moran's watercolors that helped persuade congress to create Yellowstone, the first national park. In addition, visitors are treated to works by modern Native Americans, such as the display of wood sculptures by the Cherokee Willard Stone. The museum also houses many priceless documents, an original copy of the declaration of independence, the oldest known letter written from the new world, and the papers of Hernando Cortes. A new glass storage area even allows visitors to view the 80 percent of the holdings that are not on display. Thousands of beaded moccasins and buckskin dresses line the shelves, and a collection of magnificent war bonnets hang from brackets. When the Gilcrease Institute opened its doors on May 2, 1949, Life magazine declared "it is the best collection of art and literature ever assembled on the American frontier and the Indian. Thousands of visitors agree.

Thread: What did everyone get/do for valentine's day

1168.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 07:23 pm what a shameless begger I look like now...

Thread: What did everyone get/do for valentine's day

1169.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 07:12 pm only thing silly about it is I didnt get anything!!!

Thread: What did everyone get/do for valentine's day

1170.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 07:01 pm Quoting aenigma x: Stuck to my principles I can't imagine wasting money on such a silly day.... ...... ....... .............. ........ ....................................................... Other than buying cards...Why is valentine's day silly? Is it anymore silly tha Christmas presents?

Thread: Less than 12 hours to go.......

1171.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 06:39 pm Quoting bod: Quoting aenigma x: Definitely skirt sweetie Not sure what İstanbul will make of that but I might give it a go Nothing unusual about that in beyolglu at night....

Thread: No water in Istanbul??

1172.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 06:36 pm You say that, but its no secret that Turkey has been in drought conditions for a while. The resevoirs are currently very low. The next 3 months is typically the rainiest season, so its important that we get rain. And you can drink the Bogaz water if you like. I'll stick Erikli...

Thread: No water in Istanbul??

1173.       KeithL 1455 posts  15 Feb 2007 Thu 05:55 pm Quoting Chantal: Water or electricity, that's Turkey! I'm proud to say that power outages are much rarer now than they were just a few years ago. There was a time where any given night in Beyoglu, the background sound was the dull hum of generators...

Thread: No water in Istanbul??

1174.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Feb 2007 Wed 08:41 pm It happens from time to time. In our building we have a reserve, so we can still get water. We are just supposed to postpone laundry and other things.

Thread: happy valentine's day!

1175.       KeithL 1455 posts  14 Feb 2007 Wed 05:07 pm wow!!! now thats a valentines day picture...

Thread: job interview

1176.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Feb 2007 Wed 06:19 am I would stick with what you know, especially in an interview. Your interviewer will know exactly how proficient your turkish is quickly. I think trying to impress with new phrases that you havent mastered yet may hurt you rather than help you. Be yourself. Good Luck!!!

Thread: In Memory of Kazim

1177.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Feb 2007 Tue 11:05 pm The post was started in this thread but it has been removed. It was written by someone else, but I cant remember who now.

Thread: In Memory of Kazim

1178.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Feb 2007 Tue 08:46 pm Does anyone know what happened to Roswitha? I miss her posts...

Thread: turky west or east?

1179.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Feb 2007 Sat 05:14 pm I think Turkey's past culture is represenative of its geography. 95% East, 5% West. This is neither an affirmation, nor an insult by the way, just the way I see it. It wasnt until Mustafa Kemal that Turkey has seen its largest strides towards the west. Turkey, as evident in the newspapers everyday, is struggling to find its direction every day. You have to look no further than repeated comments from Buyukanit to realize the internal conflict Turkey is going through as it defines its role in the EU and new world order.

Thread: Turkish thoughts about moldavian girls

1180.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Feb 2007 Sat 01:58 am You girls need to behave... She is a young Moldavian girl wanting to learn turkish... Don't be so picky...

Thread: Visa Query

1181.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Feb 2007 Fri 05:55 pm Quoting Deli_kizin: However he is, like me, a citizen of EU. This could not work for US citizens, you should try to work this out. Deli, this works for US citizens also. You only have to leave Turkey and re-enter. You simply get a new 90 day turist visa. We had this discussion earlier, but if there is a turkish consulate in your home country, you can get a 5 year turist visa. Much cheaper than getting many 90 day visa's in that time period.

Thread: Visa Query

1182.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Feb 2007 Fri 05:50 pm You dont have to return home. All you need to do is leave Turkey. A bus to Bulgaria is the cheapest way to do this (if you are in western Turkey). There is also a bus to Greece but its more expensive.

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1183.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 11:16 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: I would get kicked off the bus with my smelly hockey bag. Hahaha that bag is probably the cause of global warming Actually, it would be quite the alternative fuel...

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1184.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 11:13 pm I would get kicked off the bus with my smelly hockey bag. I am doing istanbul a favor by driving myself...

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1185.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 11:09 pm I walk everywhere. I only drive to get to the ice arena on weekends... but ice rinks...another bad addition to my environmental footprint...

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1186.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 11:04 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: My carbon footprint is horrible. 50,000 -100,000 miles a year flying some years... I must admit flying and driving are my downfall . Its impossible to live where I do, without a car. I do feel guilty but try to compensate in other areas. Flying and driving are the two worst contributors.....

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1187.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 11:02 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: Actually, its is understandable for goverments to choose fossil fuel using plants as they are cheaper... and planting nuclear plant is too risky we all remember the accident chernobil... and the place they have wouldnt be avaliable for alternative energy sources... it has many relations... I think nuclear plants are actually very safe (the waste is DEFINITELY another matter ). Chernobil was due to human error and poor management as far as I am aware. Keith will know I agree with this. Considering all the years of nuclear power operations, the worldwide saftey record is very good. A great documentry on Chernobyl was released in the last few years. Basically though, if Russia would have been more a part of global society, they would have accepted more help from the west and saftey features used by the rest of the world would have not allowed it to happen. Even as it was, the operators were performing safety testing at the time ironically. All safety warnings worked as they were supposed to. but operators ignored them and overrode them...

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1188.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:58 pm My carbon footprint is horrible. 50,000 -100,000 miles a year flying some years...

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1189.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:49 pm Quoting libralady: What really bugs me (and perhaps this is the wrong thread) is the number of people that complain about wind turbines. The most easily captured source of green energy we have. There is a small town near me that has two wind Turbines, enough to power nearly the whole town. I know of industrial estates, one in Lowestoft for the English folk, that powers the estate. We have further wind turbines of the north norfolk coast and then there are others around the country. What is so difficult with wind turbines. It is all a matter of education and that is down to governments, and our government is bad at that. To little to late. Wind Turbines are terribly expensive and produce very little electricty. The gebze power station produces about 1/10th of all the power in Turkey (not enough to electrify Istanbul by the way) To duplicate gebze with wind turbines (over 2000 MW of electricity), nearly 1500 wind turbines would have to be built, maintained, and on-line. Interesting future technology actually invoves building turbines on sea beds and utilizing global tides. But for now, nuclear remains the cheapest and greenest.

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1190.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:42 pm Quote: Quoting aenigma x: I'll buy that. Your not actually buying "green energy". You are donating for R/D for green energy. Which is admirable. No, read the link . I am BUYING non-fossil fuelled energy I already hate myself for disagreeing with you....but everyone in your area gets the same electricty from the same source. Otherwise, they would need two sets of ditribution lines. One for traditional fossil fuels, and another for clean energy. All the power generated enters the grid the same way and its simply distributed as needed.

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1191.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:39 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: Quoting KeithL: Turkey has zero nuclear power generation. Its all a combination of fossil fuel (coal and natural gas) and hydro. as you are qualified by the energy issue KeithL... and you want to be minister of Energy of Turkey-though you have to be Turkish citizen for that do you think if they use hydro potential more efficient, does it really need a nuclear plant still? Turkish citizenship will be the last thing that hinders me from working with the Energy Department.

Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :)

1192.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:37 pm Quoting SuiGeneris} this is the thing we should do isnt it? to go over alternative energy sources "MORE"... or upgrading the existing power plants...[/QUOTE: Actually both. Of course developing alternative energy sources, but also making existing facilities more efficient. There are certainly ways to reduce both CO2 and NOx emissions in coal and gas fired boilers. Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :) 1193.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:35 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting KeithL: How do they offer you green power options? I'm in the industry and that says scam all over it.... Dont worry its perfectly legitimate . A percentage of the extra you pay goes towards developing the technology to produce greener power too http://www.bwea.com/you/green.html I'll buy that. Your not actually buying "green energy". You are donating for R/D for green energy. Which is admirable. Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :) 1194.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:29 pm Turkey has zero nuclear power generation. Its all a combination of fossil fuel (coal and natural gas) and hydro. Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :) 1195.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:26 pm How do they offer you green power options? I'm in the industry and that says scam all over it.... Thread: Global Warming - Make a statement today :) 1196.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Feb 2007 Thu 10:23 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: as an action, turning off electricity for making the society/people aware of global warming is good... But electricity has nothing to do with global warming... it has much more with gasses out from the cars we use everyday... and industrial wastes... You talk about alternative electric generation options. But fossil fuel combustion by far is the biggest producer of electricty in teh world. Aenigma is spot on.. Thread: Turkey in grip of long-awaited snowfall 1197.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2007 Wed 09:37 pm Quoting aenigma x: Anyway... to return to the subject, are there any TC Turkish members affected by the snow? Snow in Istanbul is actually the worst. I love snow, but all the hills here, the cars cannot navigate and there are alot of accidents. Additionally, there is not alot of snow removal equipment so the snow stays until it melts. There are 7 hills of istanbul and I live on the steepest (Fulya). Whenever we get more than 10cm of snow, our area almost shuts down. No taxis, no garbage pickup. Its really bad. (Not talking bad about Turkey by the way. Just honestly describing conditions as I see them.) Thread: Turkey in grip of long-awaited snowfall 1198.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Jan 2007 Wed 09:31 pm Quoting qdemir: Quoting aenigma x: Quoting qdemir: Quoting aenigma x: I LOVE cold weather and very hot weather! Its the in-between temperatures I dont like . Does this mean I can go and live in Turkey? We would be very glad, aenigma. We will meet you at the airport with flowers. I can help you learn Turkish; free of charge Flowers Eh Mr. Q? hehehehe! I think they will be the poisonous Deadly Nightshade eh? I don't know about flowers as much as you do. The flowers I know,are rose, daisy, etc + give you a guided tour in İstanbul. If you wish any other thing it will be my pleasure. Consider it. Actually, the official flower of istanbul is the tulip. The tulips of Holland actually came from Istanbul... Thread: Merhaba everyone 1199.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Jan 2007 Tue 07:32 pm Quoting janissary: go around and enjoy istanbul friend. get an akbil (Akbil=akıllı bilet: intelligent ticket) and istanbul is urs Janissary is right. Get an akbil and put 25 YTL on it. You can spend the day in Taksim area, Sultan Ahmet, or just get off every stop on the metro between Taksim and Levent for 30 minutes and walk around. You are close to the airport so the train cant be very far from where you are staying. Don't sit inside all day!!! Thread: In Memory of Kazim 1200.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Jan 2007 Sun 02:48 am Why is Roswitha not coming back? What happened? Thread: What's your dream job? 1201.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Jan 2007 Fri 12:39 am Turkey's Energy Minister. Vote for Mustafa Sarıgül someday and my dream will become closer... Thread: Midnight Express Truth 1202.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 11:21 pm Metahan, It seems all you do is cry and complain. The people at this site are here because they love Turkey. Rarely if ever have I seen her insulted. All I can say to you is be a man and grow up. You are an embarassment to your people... Thread: Midnight Express Truth 1203.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:50 pm He would have never served 30 because Ecevet let them all out.... I'm sure turkish prisons are harsh even today. Its just too bad that sentencing seems to be so light. Like this guy that bombed a McDonalds in Trabzon. How does he get less than a year? Crime in istanbul the last few years has become worrysome... Thread: Missing persons at tc... 1204.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:47 pm Aslan, if only I would have known you a couple years ago. I was maybe close to being a zillionaire. But now with the currency change, I will have to live with only being a millionaire... Thread: First Time....Last Time 1205.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:44 pm Many of the visitors at the site have been to Turkey multiple times. How about a paragraph of what your expectations were before you came the first time, what your first impressions were once you got here, and finally, how your views have changed since your last visit here. (My God, this sounds like a school assignment, but there has to be some funny stories here...) Thread: Missing persons at tc... 1206.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 10:40 pm OK, I will think about it and do my best.... but entertaining us with your fantasy later might be fun too! Thread: Missing persons at tc... 1207.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Jan 2007 Wed 08:22 pm It has ben boring. None of the conversations have been very fun. Too much confrontation as of late. Is it so hard to submit your post nicely? So many posts lately have been very arrogant and rude... Thread: HURRIYET NEWS: I said my Friday Prayer and shot him 1208.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2007 Tue 05:41 pm Quoting Trudy: Quoting KeithL: He was paid to do it I'm sure. I doubt very much he acted alone. In Dutch newspapers was said that Ogun Samast was paid and set up by an ultra-nationalist called Yasin Halal, who was guilty of a bomb at McDonalds in Trabzon some years ago. Anyone who can confirm this from a Turkish newspaper? His name is Yasin Hayal. He allegedly supplied the gun and the payment to te shooter. Hayal spent "only 11 months" in jail for bombing a McDonalds in Trabzon a few years ago. Thread: Hole in his shoe... 1209.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2007 Tue 04:08 pm Quoting janissary: şişli is a district in istanbul where hirant lived. I want to point out something, not only şişli community have saddened, all turkish ppl have saddened after this bad murder. all of turkish are aware of something that someones want to damage peace in this land. Hirant was a turkish citizen and he just wanted to protect armenian's rights, he wasnt against turkey. I am sure you are right, but I live in şişli (Fulya) so I am only speaking about my area. This is also the area of istanbul that most minorities (Armenians and Jews) live. Thread: Hole in his shoe... 1210.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2007 Tue 04:04 pm şişli is the area of istanbul where he was killed. Where he was killed was maybe 3 km north of taksim square in the main metro line. Thread: Hole in his shoe... 1211.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2007 Tue 03:39 pm I can't tell you how much this has saddened the şişli community. For days now, people have gathered around the make-shift shrine where Hrant Dink was killed. People are sad even before they get there of course. But what seems to overwhelm the people with grief is the picture of him lying there with only his shoes visible. And he has a hole in the sole of his shoe. Somehow, this image brings home even more the tragedy of this humble man's death. Thread: HURRIYET NEWS: I said my Friday Prayer and shot him 1212.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Jan 2007 Tue 01:42 pm He was paid to do it I'm sure. I doubt very much he acted alone. Thread: Difficulty... 1213.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Jan 2007 Mon 08:09 pm Quoting bod That is not what I found last time I was in Turkia...... I wanted to speak and learn Turkish but everytime I spoke any Turkish to Turks, they answered me in English Obviously I have an English accent but most Turks seemed to not even notice that I was making a real effort to talk to them in their own language![/QUOTE: I think this is a pride thing. Turks who know english are eager to show their ability and its also possibility of politeness to speak in your language rather than theirs. I found that your turkish will improve magnitudes faster if you attempt to interact with people that don't speak english. And then you can also ask your friends to resist speaking english with you. Good Luck! Thread: Sad news from Turkey 1214.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Jan 2007 Mon 03:22 am Metehan, You are clearly not reading what I have written in my posts. I have clearly stated that the Osmans did tolerate other religions. I clearly said that for the most part, different cultures and religions thrived in Istanbul, particulary in Pera. My point was that in the far points of the Osman Empire, (Egypt, Serbia, Armenia, Persia), the Osmans met resistence. This is my only point. Thread: people that just won't let go 1215.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:23 am This is a fairly common problem I'm afraid for foreign women. I recently helped Cap with her situation and I've helped 6 or 7 other friends as well. To this point, ithas been 100% effective. Never another phone call, text message or email. Thread: Sad news from Turkey 1216.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jan 2007 Sat 05:20 am Let me say that I am pro-turk, not necessarily pro-osman. Mismanagement in the 1800's caused the problems that led to the Young turk movement being necessary in the first place. I think Turkey should be governed exactly the way Ataturk outlined it. That said, if the Armenians didnt want self-rule, they would not have allied with the Russians. The kurds to this day want self-rule as Ocalan and his band of thieves perform their evil. The Arabs didnt need the British to fuel their hatred for the Turks. The British only gave the arabs the strength to resist. Show me anywhere, in any book, where these peoples enjoyed being ruled by the Osmans. Thread: Flying from turkey to countries that dont require a visa 1217.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jan 2007 Sat 01:26 am Japan also, no Visa required also. Seems to me some south american countries too. Thread: Sad news from Turkey 1218.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jan 2007 Sat 01:16 am Since you asked, I've read nearly 20 books on the history of the Osmans. I have friends that have lineage to the Osmans for several hundred years. I have access to private, public and military libraries in Ankara, Istanbul and Edirne. I would never be so boastful as to call myself an expert. But for the purposes of this board, I think I am well informed. If you want to proclaim yourself smarter than me, so be it. But since my statements really havent been very provacative, I would guess you may be a bit close-minded in your outlook. Thread: people that just won't let go 1219.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Jan 2007 Sat 12:12 am Now who might that be???? Do you think women are willing to pay for this service? Thread: Sad news from Turkey 1220.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Jan 2007 Fri 08:30 pm kaddersokak, don't misunderstand me. Western colonialism is no better (if not worse). I personally have no issue on how the Osmans ruled. By most accounts, Istanbul was very open to Christians and Jews during Osman rule. I am only pointing out that the Kurds, Armenians and Arabs have always favored self-rule as opposed to outside rule, Osman or otherwise. Thread: Sad news from Turkey 1221.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Jan 2007 Fri 08:17 pm This could become quite the historical argument but the Osmans kept the Aremenians, Kurds and Arabs under rule by force. To suggest that these groups coexisted with each other (much less with turks) at any point in history without authoritarian control would not be correct. Thread: The most sexiest hotel in the world... 1222.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Jan 2007 Fri 03:27 pm Quoting Elisa: I know where the sexiest place in Istanbul is but I won't post it here because I don't want the whole world to go there Hey, quit looking in my windows! Thread: Warning - Turkish banks 1223.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Jan 2007 Fri 07:38 am 10% is outrageous too.... Thread: Warning - Turkish banks 1224.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Jan 2007 Wed 07:00 pm I transfer money from US Banks to Turkish banks all the time. I've never have had a problem and never have known anyone to have a problem. The problem with Western Union is they charge a percentage of the amount sent. Bank to bank is cheaper. It takes one to two business days. I use Yapi Kredi which was just bought by Koç Bank. Garanti is also a good bank. Thread: Revenge is sweet :) 1225.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jan 2007 Tue 08:45 pm Quote: [AUOTE SOURCE=girleegirl]Whare are all the men out there??? Give it up...tell us what you have done! I KNOW women are not the only ones coming up with evil revenge schemes (arabianofelix doesn't count since it wasn't his revenge) Either a woman has never cheated on me or I was never clever enough to find out... Thread: Revenge is sweet :) 1226.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Jan 2007 Tue 07:41 pm You women are very scarey... Thread: Stray Dogs in Turkey-Legal Action 1227.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Dec 2006 Fri 12:24 am I know this will attract criticism but large cities are no place for dogs (in general). There is so little green to begin with so where are these animals supposed to go and excercise? For every 10 "good owners" who clean after their dogs, there is always the bad owner that leaves the animals crap wherever it happens to go. In winter, its bad enough walking up and down the hills in snow without having to worry about these "gifts" left behind by stupid pet owners. And these animals bark when the owner works. So the people in the building are left to deal with barking animals while again, the stupid owner is out for the day. (How many friends have I lost today?) Thread: complaints 1228.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Dec 2006 Fri 12:05 am Is it possible to copy someones picture off of msn messenger? I just tried and could not find the function. Thread: Stray Dogs in Turkey-Legal Action 1229.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Dec 2006 Fri 12:01 am In some neighborhoods, the dogs are really bad. I know many women that are afraid to walk at night because of these dog packs. Especially after dark, its not uncommon for these dogs to follow people and bark. I have never heard of anyone actually being bitten. In Fulya where I live, we have a couple of different groups of dogs. And the same dogs have been here for years. I dont know why the government lets them stay in the city. It would be easy to catch them and move them outside the city. Even stranger is that there has been the same dog that sleeps in front of the Marmara Hotel in Taksim for years. Welcome to our modern city!!! Thread: Roads From Antalya To Batman 1230.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2006 Thu 11:35 pm Didnt we just have this post? There are good roads but it is slower because of the mountains. Also, lots of trucks and buses clog up the road. http://www.adiyamanli.org/MapofTurkey/turk_map.htm This link is as good of road map as you will find on line. Thread: Blue Mosque Istanbul 1231.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Dec 2006 Thu 12:40 am sounds like a good story, but dont think its true. I think the real reason is he wanted a camii that rivaled mecca. Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1232.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Dec 2006 Sun 12:40 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting leander: Police state?If you knew the meaning of that you wouldn't come up with such comparison.Turkey is a social lawstate and a pluralist democracy. Oh please calm down At NO TIME was I calling Turkey a police state, I was commenting on Keith L's strange description. I am well aware of what a police state is thank you and what was strange about my description? Thread: Travelling From Antalya To Batman 1233.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Dec 2006 Fri 06:11 pm This is about 1000 km. You can drive on good roads, but you will still have to stop in each city you drive through. Its not as easy as driving from Istanbul to Ankara. It could take between 12 and 15 hours depending on weather, traffic and polis checkpoints. Good Luck! Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1234.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:10 pm I agree with Elisa on her point. But I think some here are critical about Turkey's position on these matters. Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1235.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 11:03 pm Quoting qdemir: Quote: the military has more power in this "democratic country" military has more power = democratic country.!? "....." is an irony? Its not ironic. Ataturk purposely set it up this way. He made sure that no follower of his could take the powers he set up and lead Turkey the wrong direction. Additionally, this also assured that sympathizers of the Osmans or any other Islamic based government could not lead the country away from its secularism. The military is the protector of the people, not the protector of the politicians. Why do you think that the approval of Turkey's military and general staff is always between 95 and 99%? What other country do you know where the military is so respected by its people? Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1236.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 10:44 pm Quoting uYkuSuz: there is only one truth. maybe i m right maybe i m wrong. But if the people do not know enough information about what they re talkin about. How can we discuss about it ? how can they think they are right ? ? Because through discussion comes education. And people are more open to foreign ideas through discussion then confrontation... Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1237.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 10:41 pm Quoting SuiGeneris: The problem is here... who said that Turkey has democracy totally? lots of people can get angry on me about this but this is what it is... or which place on earth has that utopic thing? let me ask you? did your insultings Tony Blair change anything? about iraq? This is another excellent point. As I have pointed out before, the military has more power in this "democratic country" than the military's have in other EU nations as well as the US. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR TURKEY! This is what keeps Turkey secular. This is what keeps Turkey resolute on issues like Cyprus, an independent Kurdistan, the Aremenian question. Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1238.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 10:34 pm Quoting aenigma x: Quoting SuiGeneris: the person who insults government of Turkish Republic, the justice branches of governmet, military or the police orginzation openly/directly/clearly is sentenced to imprisonment from 6 months to 3 years "here it says if it is done in abroad by a Turkish citizen that person gets ban 3 times more" If you cannot criticise your government, then where is democracy? It certainly explains a lot about the behaviour on this website.... This has nothing to do about criticism of the government. Sezer, Erdogan, Gul...all politicians receive tremendous criticism daily. In the street, on the television, in the newspapers. This incident is about writing potential derogatory remarks about Ataturk. Lets not confuse the issues here. Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1239.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:32 pm I'm not telling any person on this website that they are wrong (at least not on this topic). I am just trying to point out that every country that claims to have free speech, have taboo subjects that do apply. In Turkey, this subject is Ataturk. And for a foreigner, unless you have educated yourself on the end of the Osmans, WWI, the War of Independence, and then on Mustafa Kemal himself as a man and a leader before he became Ataturk, I can see why it might be difficult to understand the strong feelings the nation has for this man. But again, I can find instances in other countries where free speech is not absolute. In the US, flag burning raises anger as much as any issue I can think of. In Germany, it is against the law to display the swastika. In all of Europe, it is against the law to minimize the holocaust. These are all actions that take away from ones right of absolute free speech. But, maybe sometimes, in certain circumstances, these exceptions from free speech are justified. In Turkey, I believe this to be the case with Ataturk. Thread: what is the opinion on this?? 1240.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Dec 2006 Thu 05:47 am Every democratic government cannot be run the way the United States of America is run. Consider statements against Ataturk akin to flag burning in the United States. How many wasted hours have been spent in US Congress debating whether flag burning should be protected by freedom of speech. Most US politicians would pass this ban if they could. Anyway...unless you are familiar enough with Turkey's history and delicate balance of secularism, democracy, and basically military oversight in a Islamic country, do not criticize the way its own form of democracy runs. Everyone should worry about the politics of their own country and not be critical of others. "I dont ask you to fight today, I ask you to die today..." Thread: What are you listening now? 1241.       KeithL 1455 posts  19 Dec 2006 Tue 11:35 am Belkis özener, Sahibinin Sesinden. Its a sound track of an old movie... I like the old music very much. Thread: Turkey in EU 1242.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Dec 2006 Sat 08:31 am There's a special cemetary in istanbul for President's and Prime Minister's that try to lead Turkey away from secularism. I think Büyükanit will easily be able to keep the ploiticians in line. Thread: You all laughed at me... 1243.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:56 pm Its OK...I respect your lifestyle choice!!! Problem degil. 1000 apologies if I have been rude. Thread: yok,yok.. double meaning? 1244.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:23 pm I think its just like saying "no, no" I use it when a waiter asks if we want more cay or something else. Thread: You all laughed at me... 1245.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Dec 2006 Wed 05:21 pm or have a leather purse, or wear makeup, or use medicine, or eat jello, or eat pudding..... Thread: You all laughed at me... 1246.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Dec 2006 Wed 04:40 pm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm I told you that you can buy camels in Turkey. Thread: advıce on hospıtal needed 1247.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Dec 2006 Tue 10:46 pm The american hospital in tesvikiye is good. Very near taksim. Insurance, you will have to speak to your insurance company, not the hospital. They will try to submit it. Thread: more moderators needed 1248.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Dec 2006 Tue 08:45 pm I think this issue has been solved. Fatih has separated the translation requests out of the normal top 50 forum posts. It is now very easy to see new threads and recent ongoing threads. Now its just up to the members here to keep the place interesting. As far as being a turkish learning site, there are none better on the internet. But unless you can utilize the turkish language on a daily basis, your language skills will only advance so far. But again, I think this site is very, very good. Thread: Soru: 1249.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Dec 2006 Tue 08:40 pm Whats so horrible about asking someone the difference between kurdish and turkish? I could see how someone would take offense if they said there was no difference between turkish and kurdish. But to only ask the question seems pretty innocent. Thread: Hotel in Istanbul 1250.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2006 Mon 03:53 am My friend Bahattin manages a 4 star in Taksim Square. Its called the Savoy. Tell him your my friend and you can probably get the room for half the listed price. They are remodeling now so they are often full. Book as early as possible. http://www.savoy.com.tr/rooms.htm Thread: help 1251.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Dec 2006 Mon 03:44 am Its at Istanbul Park. Its on the Asian side of Istanbul. From Ataturk airport, you can take a free shuttle bus which takes less than an hour. http://www.formula1-istanbul.com/f1/en/ http://www.europe-cities.com/hotel.aspx?hid=1804 hotel above advertises for $70 USD but dont be surprised if its more during an event. Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1252.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Dec 2006 Wed 09:35 pm Quoting sweet.kane: How much Turkish people do you know that have a Turkish boyfriend/Girlfriend? I dont have any friends that date foreigners.... except me. Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1253.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Dec 2006 Wed 09:32 pm Quoting kai: [Actually it was Keith that said that and I along with others put him right Only a few off all I know are genuine all the rest are exactly like you descirbed unfortunatly. I gave an opinion on the british police??? Too many raki's that night I guess.... Thread: job 1254.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Dec 2006 Wed 09:28 pm Quoting susie k: [Really?! Oh a friend of mine is a headmistress and she has a BA, she seems to be under the impression that she can get a job in Turkey with a BA. Oh dear her hubby is really pushing her to move to Turkey and this will stuff it all up. SusieK, Your friend may be able to find a teaching job. Of course native speakers are wanted always. But again, this is at the language schools and universities, not schools for children. The person that started this thread is looking for a teaching job in sport. I assumed this to mean for children, not adults. This is why I don't think it is so liekly possible. Thread: job 1255.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Dec 2006 Tue 11:39 pm To teach school in turkey, you have to graduate from a turkish university. Most foreign teachers here teach english to adults or private lessons. I have a friend from Slovenia here. She has a teaching degree from a university in lubliajna but it means nothing here. So she has to get a full degree here which not only is all in turkish, but also includes comprehensive studies in Turkish history. Thread: Ask and you shall receive 1256.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Dec 2006 Tue 05:08 pm A huge thank you for Fatih for making the changes in the forums. No more sifting through endless translation requests to look through the forums. Excellent work!!! Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1257.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:53 pm she knows I'm just kidding her... (and she knows where I live ) Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1258.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:41 pm what country was i supposed to be talking about? Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1259.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:36 pm I'm in Turkey. My comments are about people I know. How is it off topic? Thread: EUROPEAN UNİON AND TURKEY- A Friendly Voting..:) 1260.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 10:01 pm I will limit this only to Cyprus. Why must Turkey open ports to Cyprus while the rest of Europe will not open ports to North Cyprus? Why is EU insistent that Turkey compromise first? Why can't the two things happen simultaneously? Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1261.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:45 pm Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1262.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:36 pm I think I'm on the topic here. Where are we off topic? Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1263.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:33 pm Quoting Capoeira: Quoting KeithL: (I say this so no one here thinks I'm staulking them! ) Got trapped in your own rhetoric I see! I'm not backing down Cap.....Like I said, I don't want to scare you...I mean anyone. Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1264.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:20 pm I did back down going from "all" to "rarely" by the way.... And I dont think internet friendships count. I am also keeping this to friendships where the people actually hang out together. (I say this so no one here thinks I'm staulking them! ) Thread: EUROPEAN UNİON AND TURKEY- A Friendly Voting..:) 1265.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:17 pm I disagree with you on this juliacernat. If Turkey were in the EU currently, it would not be able to deal with such issues as the PKK, Cyprus, secularism, and Kurdish nationalism the way it can being independent. It would be forced to conform to EU standards that quite frankly will not work in all of these circumstances and actually would jeopardize Turkey's long term position in the world rather than elevating it. There is really only one question that needs to be asked. Would Ataturk accept the EU's current requirements being placed upon Turkey in order to join the EU? Of course he wouldn't. Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1266.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 09:11 pm Agreed Trudy, it may be an old-fashioned opinion. But I think the friendship you are speaking of is soooooooo rare. And I dont mean that one of the two wants the other as a boyfriend or girlfriend. I am taking the lowest viewpoint on this and asking, given the chance, would the guy sleep with his female friend given the opportunity (at least once). And I am sure there are friendships out there where it is the woman who would sleep with the guy. I would accept that there are business relationships out there where this is not the case. Very sorry if I have offended you or worded this wrong... Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1267.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 08:58 pm I think in all close male-female friendships, one of the two has romantic interest in the other. Thread: Male-Female Friendships in Turkey 1268.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:24 pm Very rare I think. I strongly disagree. Thread: my controversial topic ;-) 1269.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:22 pm I'm not sure if the original question has been answered correctly yet. I can honestly say that I don't know one Turk that has left Turkey because they hate it here (or love the country they are going to). They go so they can make money, come back, and buy a flat. Additionally, they can avoid military service if they do this. If you go abroad to work, when you come back, you pay a large sum of money (I think between $5,000 and $10,000 USD). You still have to serve a short time in the military, maybe 3 months and then use the work experience you received abroad to get a better job here. Thread: EUROPEAN UNİON AND TURKEY- A Friendly Voting..:) 1270.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:13 pm If this looks familiar, its because I posted this last summer. I want Turkey to join the EU but not at a cost of losing its Turkish identity and secularism. 5 years ago, joining the EU meant something. But now, look at the impoverished nations that have little to offer that have been granted entrance before Turkey. It disgusts me. The Turkish economy is growing at over 7% without being in the EU. Turkey is not a begger that needs to get on its knees to join the EU. Key items that are not negotiable for entry: Secularism, Cyprus, PKK, Armenia and internal military operations. As long as these items are not on the table, I welcome it. Thread: the cheapest flight 1271.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 06:05 pm This is very much a general answer, but you can pretty much fly anywhere in Turkey roundtrip for between 200 and 300 YTL from Istanbul. This is on THY of course. During holidays, they often have very cheap flights but you have to book those early. Also, I got an email from THY that every 100th ticket booked online will be free or greatly reduced. You have to have a THY Miles and Miles card though. Thread: turkish lira..need advice! 1272.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Dec 2006 Mon 05:49 pm Even though Turkey is part of Europe, the dollar is far more used here than the euro. Most high ticket items here are paid in dollars (cars, homes, computers). When i bought my flat, i literally had a duffle bag full of dollars! Many people here, including myself, get paid in dollars from their jobs, not YTL. There was also a question about transfering money to Turkey. In order to send money to someones bank account here, they have to have two accounts, one for lira and one for dollars. To receive euro, you would need to have a euro account also. Once the money is transfered, you have to tell the bank to convert it and transfer it into your YTL account. The lira flucuates so much, it is safer to keep the money as dollars until you need it, and then convert to lira. Otherwise, you can easily lose 10% of its value in a bad week. Finally, of course places will accept dollars and euros equally. Most tourists here are european and bring euro. Most will convert their euro to lira but not euro to dollar. So if they pay for some things in euro, the restaurant or shop makes even more money than they already make on unfavorable exchange rates. So my advise to anyone coming here is to only convert a small amount of money to YTL at the airport when you get here. Then, only exchange small amounts on your trip. Wherever you are traveling, be aware where a doviz is so that you know where to exchange money quickly when you need to. Thread: Happy Birthday Sophie!! 1273.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Nov 2006 Thu 01:13 am No poem here Sophie, but I do want to wish you a great birthday!! 25? Thread: Marmaris Men 1274.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Nov 2006 Wed 06:30 pm Capoeira and I have talked about this subject to death!!!! You have to face it, the chances of finding the right guy on holiday at a resort area is sooooo unrealistic!!! And this is completely true (maybe more so) in Turkey as much as it is in any other Med Sea resort in Europe.... Thread: Marmaris Men 1275.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Nov 2006 Wed 06:26 pm Quoting qdemir: so you admit you are coming to Marmaris just for men? The guys there give you what you want.Right, they don't copulate with the same partner more than once just like bulls do. Enjoy your time there. +10000 Thread: Fear for flying 1276.       KeithL 1455 posts  26 Nov 2006 Sun 06:44 am I think dramamine can be taken for fear of flying. Check at the ezcane. Thread: Mobile experts please 1277.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Nov 2006 Wed 07:30 am Just go to a reputable mobile shop. I have it setup that both my turkcell sim card and my cingular simcard both work in Turkey, USA and the rest of Europe. So I know it can be done fairly easily. The only question is how much are you willing to pay for the added coverage. Thread: too many love letter translations 1278.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Nov 2006 Wed 07:25 am Christine, Again, I am not saying at all that translations should stop. Its just not really a forum item. Any decent webmaster could create a new area strictly for translations. And then similar to the way the forums are setup, you could see the last 50 posts for translations. I cant see this change taking more than an hour. Moving and policing the forums might take more time but I would love to see this idea implemented so that the forums become interesting and informative again. Thread: too many love letter translations 1279.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Nov 2006 Tue 10:17 pm I don't think thats exactly what Sophie said. Alot of these translations that are being done are for people that are exerting zero effort on their own. Like she said, if they would look for "ozledim" and "sevyorum", they could figure out alot on tehir own. That is their choice of course. And it is also the choice of the translator to be so kind to translate it. However, that still doesnt change the fact that these silly love tradgedy translations are bogging down the forums. And this problem affects the prefered members that make good contributions more than it affects the people that are ust here to translate their emails and text messages... Thread: too many love letter translations 1280.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Nov 2006 Tue 05:17 pm Kai, I did send it to admin also. But the comments in this thread will let admin know that I am not the only person who feels that this problem is hurting the site. Keith Thread: too many love letter translations 1281.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Nov 2006 Tue 03:42 am Canli, This is why the translations need their own area. That way, they can be easily found by those helping with translations. And then additionally, the forums will once again become valuable and interesting. Thread: too many love letter translations 1282.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Nov 2006 Mon 11:34 pm I dont know what you mean by "still count". Of course, there is still a place here at the site for translations. I just think that they should be in a different area so they don't dominate the forums the way they do. A forum suggests a discussion. These translations "very rarely" initiate discussion... As is, this site is reduced to a personal translation site with the benefit of a forum about Turkey, as opposed to a site about Turkey, the Turkish Language, and small area where personal messages may be translated. Thread: too many love letter translations 1283.       KeithL 1455 posts  20 Nov 2006 Mon 10:19 pm Ok, at the risk of sounding cold-hearted, the love letter translations are ruining the forums. Whenever I want to look at the last 50 postings, they are almost all translation related. I think the translation requests should still go on the same, but cant we put them in its own section of the forums? And most importantly, make it so the posts in this area DO NOT come up when you look at the last 50 postings. If we changed this, I think the overall quality of the forums would improve dramatically. Thread: Stupid songs that we like :) 1284.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Nov 2006 Fri 05:41 pm This is going to completely ruin my credibility on this site... But I have always like most of the songs on Hande Yener's "Sen Yoluma Ben Yoluma" CD. Even still, I enjoy the title track on it. Thread: Atatürk 1285.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Nov 2006 Sat 07:52 pm Quoting yusuf : here in egypt if u ask some one or any one about him he will say :the angre of god upon him.... here all muslums consider him a very bad person who made bad think he distroy the islamic collection and made the islamoc contry into many small weak contries This is nonsense first of all. Most arab countries chose to live under British rule as opposed to Ottoman rule during the 1800's. The fall of the Osmans happened over the course of one hundred years. The fall of the Osman Empire cannot be blamed on Mustafa Kemal. The Young Turks are as much to blame as anyone for the empire, but you also have to blame the padişa's themselves for ineffective governing. The fate of the Osman Empire was sealed long before WWI and its alliance with Kaiser Wilhelm and the Germans. Ataturk saved his land, he saved his people. By the end of World War I, the plan was to tear apart what is now Turkey and divide it amongst the Russians, Greeks, French, British among others. Turkey would have been only a small nation in central Anatolia. Without Istanbul. Without Izmir. Without any of the coastal cities on the Agean or Mediterranean Seas. Again I say, no one man is more responsible for the well being and destiny of his people than Ataturk. Thread: Atatürk 1286.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Nov 2006 Sat 07:37 pm Atatürk may well be the greatest leader of the 20th century, of any country in the world. It was suggested that maybe history, or his people have forgotten about him, because of the lack of response in this thread. But what can you say about this great man? There is too much to supply in a single thread. No people in the world revere their leader the way the turks revere Atatürk. "I don't ask you to fight today, I ask you to die today." Thread: Amusing converstation overheard 1287.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Nov 2006 Fri 07:41 pm Not that I would know anything about it, but there are certainly places in Itanbul you can buy women... As far as camels...I think you have to go to izmir for that... Thread: Elections 1288.       KeithL 1455 posts  09 Nov 2006 Thu 08:13 am Its all a mess. Anyone who thinks Bush has made America safer in the last few years needs to get out more... Anyone who thinks that these election results will get us out of this mess is equally dillusional. Rumsfeld is out...this is good. But now what? No overwhelming majority on either side of the house. So whats going to get done? Nothing... Thread: Lenght of visa? 1289.       KeithL 1455 posts  08 Nov 2006 Wed 05:18 pm No, you cannot get the 5 year Visa at the airport. This needs to be done at a Turkish Consulate or Embassy. Thread: Lenght of visa? 1290.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Nov 2006 Tue 09:05 pm Quoting susie k: How much does a 5 year visa cost? $65 USD Thread: Lenght of visa? 1291.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Nov 2006 Tue 01:10 am I've seen it before. But if you plan ahead, you can get the 5 year visa too Thread: do not miss this 1292.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Nov 2006 Mon 09:05 am this is very cool Thread: living together before marriage 1293.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Nov 2006 Mon 08:55 am much cheaper here.... Thread: living together before marriage 1294.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Nov 2006 Mon 08:44 am With some men, its a huge problem. There is even a "cosmetic surgery" that is done here more than you think to restore virginity to a girl. Without getting too graphic, in involves sewing tissue over a broken hymen... Thread: Bulent Ecevit 1295.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Nov 2006 Mon 06:05 am I do not wish this topic to turn political (right/left) against Bulent Ecevet the politician. I know many of the mistakes that he made in his political career. I just want to say upon his death that Ecevet loved Turkey and his people, especially the poor Turks in villages acrossed Turkey as much or more than I can ever imagine a leader loving his people. During the last elections, I saw Mr. Ecevet speak to his people in central Anatolia. And also in 2004, I saw him step down as his party leader. Men, women, Ecevit himself wept through what many knew would be his farewell to his people and public life. There was one particular part of an Ecevit appearence in Anatolia that I think was a normal occurence. Please correct me if my translation of this is wrong. But during his speech he would call out to the people, "Ecevit loves his villagers" and the crowd would respond madly, "and your villagers love you" I can honestly say that I have never witnessed a people who truly loved their leader the way these people did Ecevit, and the way Ecevit truly loved his people. God Bless you Bulent Ecevit... Thread: the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-) 1296.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Nov 2006 Mon 05:29 am What happened to my defence of turkish women thread? I leave for a day or two and look what happens... W stands for "Worst ever by the way" Anyone who has any doubt what this war is about and if Bush ever planned on leaving, ask yourself one question.. Why is the USA building the largest embassy in the world in Baghdad? An embassy bigger than Vatican City... Does this sound like a man with an exit plan??? No, this is a man with an occupation plan... Thread: the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-) 1297.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Nov 2006 Sun 12:26 am Well, if we want to start the "I hate Bush thread", I will be happy to jump on that too. Holding the course when you are going in the wrong direction isn't admirable, its dangerous, arrogant and tragic. Anyway, back to the main point, every expat I know here that start relationships with turkish women know its temporary. But that is never what they tell the girl until its too late. And I have found turkish women to be more loyal than any I have ever known. So this combination of loyalty on one side and dishonesty on the other leads to unnecessary heartbreak. (in my opionion) Thread: the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-) 1298.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Nov 2006 Sat 08:29 pm Quoting gezbelle: Quoting KeithL: This is another forum where I have a lot to say, but should probably keep my mouth more shut than open. I will ease into this conversation slowly by saying that the way foreign men take advantage of turkish girls here is embarassing. really keith?? Yes...Really... Thread: the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-) 1299.       KeithL 1455 posts  04 Nov 2006 Sat 07:31 am This is another forum where I have a lot to say, but should probably keep my mouth more shut than open. I will ease into this conversation slowly by saying that the way foreign men take advantage of turkish girls here is embarassing. Thread: Turkish Wine 1300.       KeithL 1455 posts  03 Nov 2006 Fri 10:48 pm Again, I'd go with the çankaya here too. I dont think it costs anymore than 15 YTL. Migros, Micro, Gima, they all carry it... Thread: Skiing in Turkey 1301.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Nov 2006 Thu 06:58 pm If you want to ski some of the best and most challenging slopes in Turkey, go to Palandöken. If you want to ski with Turkey's rich and famous, go to Uludag. Uludag gets very crowded, so you will have to plan in advance to get good rates here. Thread: Am I crazy? 1302.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Nov 2006 Thu 06:47 pm Just do it! Thread: World Bank and Turkey 1303.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Nov 2006 Thu 06:43 pm All of my work here has been funded by world bank. Thread: what do turkish men think of divorced foreign women? 1304.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Nov 2006 Thu 06:42 pm Divorce is more and more common in Turkey all the time. So its not like its unheard of. Every situation will be different I think on what the families will think. But I don't think that she can hide it from her bf/future husband uch longer. At whatever belediyesi she would get married at, the paperwork would not only show if she was previously married, but who she was married to. This isn't something you can hide forever. Good Luck!! Thread: Turkish Wine 1305.       KeithL 1455 posts  02 Nov 2006 Thu 06:25 pm Quoting aslan2: Quoting KeithL: I may have missed it, but çankaya is a very popular turkish wine. Thats what they served to Bill Clinton when he was here and it seems the popularity soared after that. Should be Kavaklıdere actually. WINERY / WINE TASTING & GOURMET TOURS Well, Kavaklıdere makes many wines. Personally, I don't like the reds as much. But I really like the çankaya. Of course feel free to try all their wines, but I am only recommending this one as being very good. Thread: Wedding Party Bus Crashes 1306.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Nov 2006 Wed 11:04 pm even if it is alcohol, i still cant believe how much it happens. Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!! 1307.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Nov 2006 Wed 10:44 pm If the site would allow a few more moderators, the posts that are in the wrong place could be just moved couldn't they. I'm sure several of you loyal ones here would do that, become moderators. Thread: Two pennies for your thoughts ....!! 1308.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Nov 2006 Wed 09:18 pm I agree with you canli and I am very guilty of this also.. Thread: Wedding Party Bus Crashes 1309.       KeithL 1455 posts  01 Nov 2006 Wed 09:03 pm I have wondered this question for a very long time now. Why are there so many bus crashes involving wedding parties? It happens all the time!!! There was another crash today and 14 people are dead. But really, I can't understand why this is such a common occurence... Thread: help please mates 1310.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 08:57 pm And this goes for men too. You have to respect your wife's wishes on who you bring home too. To keep the peace they should meet somewhere else, where they can sit and visit for a while, while not offending her husband's pride. Thread: help please mates 1311.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 08:10 pm I know this in translations, but the situation is intriguing. If I was married, and my wife was inviting people into my home that I felt had disrespected me in the past without an apology, I would be angry with my wife. I'm stubborn I know, but I also have principle. Am I too hard headed? Thread: Turkish Wine 1312.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 06:50 pm I may have missed it, but çankaya is a very popular turkish wine. Thats what they served to Bill Clinton when he was here and it seems the popularity soared after that. Thread: So pleased with myself!!!!!!!! 1313.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 06:46 pm For me its good and bad. Of course, i speak my best turkish with people that speak no english. And there is usually no discussion that we cannot have. So for me, since all my friends speak good english (they all take it in school so of course they do), its just easier to speak english. Now the bad.... No matter what I do, I will never lose my accent. So even the turkish I know perfectly, I will never even come close to speaking it like a native... So I admit, when I am out, and people have to ask me to repeat myself...I get a little discouraged... my pride is too big... Thread: Englishman in Istanbul 1314.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 01:27 am Illegal english jobs are plentiful in Istanbul. Honest they are. Walk though Sisli above the metro and you can find many english schools that will hire native speaking, un-degreed people. And since its illegal technically, they probably pay them less. Thread: why...??? 1315.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Oct 2006 Tue 01:20 am Quoting aenigma x: Quoting libralady: Can I have the last word? Sorry ! I was replying to Keith, not meaning to have the last word on the entire thread ! But maybe I have !! We actually agree pretty much here. There is nothing I dislike more than people that hunt that dont take care of the animal properly themselves after they shoot it. As far as anyone that eats a burger should be able to clean its own animal, that seems a bit extreme. At any rate, its all personal preference anyway. I salute the vegetarians for their commitment to a cause. Its completely honorable and does nothing to insult or harm me. Thread: Hotels in İstanbul 1316.       KeithL 1455 posts  30 Oct 2006 Mon 05:12 am This is just me personally but I'd much rather stay in hotels in Taksim than in Sultan Ahmet. Especially with the new metro line thats takes you down to Kabataş from Taksim, so it is maybe a 15 minute transit ride to Sultan Ahmet from Taksim. Your still close enough to Sultan Ahmet to do that during the day and then you have Taksim at night. Sultan Ahmet is a little slow at night no matter what you are looking for. My very good friend Bahattin manages the Savoy in Taksim right across from all the döner places at the top of Istiklal. Tell him that "Keith" sent you and he will give you a very good deal. Thread: why...??? 1317.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2006 Fri 11:01 pm I dont want to take this thread an entirely different direction, but I want to add one last thing. If animals are treated well, before they are consumed, I dont have a problem with their utilizaation. I do feel sorry for the animals that live an "assembly line life." But animals that live in fields, or are hunted..they dont know death is coming. I think some of the "true vegetarians" think of these animals too much in humanistic terms. I dont think there is a good way to reason to with people on either side of this. You either look at it one way or the other. "No offense to my friends the vegetarians by the way..." Thread: turkish men in tourist resorts 1318.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2006 Fri 09:42 pm This is just too simplistic. Some men prey on women. Some women prey on men. And it just so happens that turkish beach resports are just one of many places in the world that this occurs. Single people go on holiday and put themselves in the frame of mind to fall in love and unfortunately be taken advantage of. I can honestly say this almost happened to me my first visit to brussels back in 1990. But, that is another story... Thread: why...??? 1319.       KeithL 1455 posts  27 Oct 2006 Fri 09:33 pm I have points on both sides of this discussion. First, abstaining from eating pork was part of all three middle eastern based religions (Islam, Judism, and Christianity) At some point, Christians relaxed laws on pork much in the same way that abstaining from meat on all Fridays was reversed in the last 30 years. So the precedent here definitely predates Islam, which is the "newest" version of where are all three of these religions came from anyway. For the people that feel that animals are not here for our consumption, realize that most domesticated animals that we eat today would have been extinct long ago through nature's survival of the fittest. Cows, pigs, sheep, etc would have been elimnated long ago by predatory animals and lack of a safe environment. Thread: Sucuk 1320.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Oct 2006 Tue 04:49 am Without a doubt, polonez brand sucuk is the best. Fry it on both sides til a little crispy. Dip your ekmek in the grease....ah..cok guzel... Thread: Turkish airlines 1321.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Oct 2006 Mon 07:59 pm you dont have to take taksi. They have cheap buses. My guess is about 10 Euro to Taksim or Sultan Ahmet Thread: RECIPE FOR SIMIT 1322.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Oct 2006 Mon 06:08 pm Quoting Chantal: oee.. interesting. but everytime i try to make a dough, it fails.. Me too Chantal. I have tried making simit twice when I was out of Turkey for over a month. I failed miserably... Also, normal turkish bread is the best, but I have been unable to duplicate that as well. Thread: Peoples opinion of Türkiye and it's culture 1323.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Oct 2006 Wed 02:05 am OK, The kilim story reminds me of one of favorite memories in Istanbul, an incident when I first moved here almost 5 years ago. I wasn't shopping for them, but I was just looking through carpet shops in Sultan Ahmet, which is without a doubt, the worst place to ever by a carpet (cok pahalı. One shop, when I told the vendor I left my credit cards at work, 2 hours away in sakarya, he offered to drive me there with the carpet. That should tell you something about the markup. But at another place, we walked into a fairly nice store a little down the hill, right on the metro line. I'm looking at some nice carpets and was asking about a particular pattern but with more green. The guy told me to follow him. We went to the far side of the store and honestly, behind some hanging carpets, they had what I can only call a secret elevator. As soon as we got to the top level, they had tea, water and sweets waiting for us. They were all dressed in dark suits and had radio ear pieces. They looked like the secret police. Within minutes, thy had about 10 green carpets layed out for us. At this point, I'm not think carpets, I'm thinking escape. Without trying to look uncomfortable, I was literally looking for the escape route. I saw no stairs, and we are there with nearly ten of these guys, two in front of the elevator. Talk about your hard sell... Anyway, after about fifteen minutes of looking at the carpets and plotting my thoughts in my tea, I finally thought of a plan. You are saying "Keith, you could have just asked to leave", but trust me, my instincts were completely correct and they were not going to let us out without a credit card transaction (Russian Mafia, i dont know). I told them that my hotel was down the street and I had some pictures of my house in some photos there that I wanted to match color. I told them we would go get the photos and bring them back. They said they would send someone to go get them for us, immediately wanting the hotel name so they could call and arrange with the hotel. I told them this wasn't necessary, that we could go get it ourselves. The whole time this negotiation was going on, several of the senior "managers" there were whispering to each other about the situation and talking to people downstairs on their radios. Finally, I agreed that they were free to escort us to the hotel (which of course I wasnt staying at). The two suited guys that walked with us to the hotel, came into the lobby also, not even willing to wait outside. Me and my GF at the time (turkish mind you) took the elevator up a few floors and immediately "escaped" down a set of back stairs and out the back door. I didnt ever feel in danger, but didnt want any more confrontation either. My curiosity wouldnt let me just leave either. The girl and I looped around back to the front of the hotel acrossed the street and went into the second floor of a coffee shop by the window so we could see the hotel front. Within minutes, the guys came out of the hotel and were talking on the radios. Within literally two minutes, three more guys from the carpet place "the older ones" were in front of the hotel and they were obviously discussing the situation. One of the guys that just came went into the hotel alone. I assume he went into talk to the hotel frontdesk people to inquire about us. After about 5 minutes he came out. The 5 of them argued in front of the hotel for about a minute and then headed back to their carpet place. Again, rather than ever being scared or angry, I enjoyed the game and we laughed about it the rest of the day. It was so unreal!!! About one week later, I was alone and found myself in Sultan Ahmet again. I couldnt help myself. I walked passed the carpet shop very slowly, slow enough to be seen. I made eye contact with several of the guys from the week before. I couldnt help it but i got a big smile on my face. To this day, I still go by the carpet place whenever I'm over there, which is only when I get hungry for SultanAhemt kofte (the original, not the fake). And still, there are several of the same guys there and when they see me coming by, they laugh too... I honestly could write a book on all the great and hilarious experiences I have had since I've been here. Thread: Turkey EU? or not? 1324.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Oct 2006 Tue 11:05 pm and not one spec of dust from Cyprus is in Europe... Thread: Turkey EU? or not? 1325.       KeithL 1455 posts  17 Oct 2006 Tue 10:21 pm I want Turkey to join the EU but not at a cost of losing its identity. 5 years ago, joining the EU meant something. But now, look at the impoverished nations that have little to offer that have been granted entrance before Turkey. It disgusts me. The Turkish economy is growing at over 7% without being in the EU. Turkey is not a begger that needs to get on its knees to join the EU. Key items that are not negotiable for entry: Cypress, PKK, Armenia and internal military procedues. As long as these items are not on the table, I welcome it. Thread: Fasting 1326.       KeithL 1455 posts  12 Oct 2006 Thu 05:15 pm Aslan, I am fasting, so that is why I am up at 4.30. My first post said that my guess of 50% was not intended to be criticism. It is only my best guess. Please dont be offended. Thread: Fasting 1327.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Oct 2006 Wed 10:55 am Quoting KeithL: I think less peopel fast in istanbul than in the samller cities and villages. I would say well less than 50% of the peopel in istanbul fast. This isnt a criticism, just my opinion. Since ramazan began, I have been to Nautilus, Capital, Profilo, Cevahir, Akmerkiz and Kanyon among other places in the city. The foodcourts to me seem just as full now (before iftar) as they are the rest of the year. Another unscientific way to guess is to look out the window at 4.30 am and see how many lights are on. I live in Fulya (very conservative) and there are not as many lights on as you would think. Thread: Non-touristy places to visit 1328.       KeithL 1455 posts  11 Oct 2006 Wed 10:41 am I know lots of great places that are not touristy. But if I shared them here, then they would become touristy. Thread: Meeting up in Istanbul 1329.       KeithL 1455 posts  07 Oct 2006 Sat 11:43 pm I am in Istanbul near Besiktas. Always happy to meet new people so let me know when you will be here! Thread: just interesting... 1330.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Oct 2006 Fri 04:05 pm Quote: I don't know much Turkish as well. Should I start saying seni çok seviyorum to every turkish man I talk to? Sophie, I think thats a great idea!!! Starting with me!!! Thread: Fasting 1331.       KeithL 1455 posts  06 Oct 2006 Fri 04:00 pm I think less peopel fast in istanbul than in the samller cities and villages. I would say well less than 50% of the peopel in istanbul fast. This isnt a criticism, just my opinion. Thread: RAMADAN MUBARAK! 1332.       KeithL 1455 posts  29 Sep 2006 Fri 07:48 am Quoting saucysue: Another question, fasting = nothing passes the lips. Does this mean you are not allowed to brush your teeth? It may seem a ridiculous question but that is something I had to ask, it was playing on my mind. Thanks for the answers Nothing, no eating, no gum, no brushing teeth, no water, no kissing, no smoking...I'm sure there are more. But there are exceptions. Children, pregnant women, the ill, travelers, etc... Thread: What jobs are available for American in Turkey? 1333.       KeithL 1455 posts  05 Sep 2006 Tue 06:27 am Easiest job to get here for an american is an english teacher. The private schools in istanbul are always looking for native speakers. Thread: Traveling to Turkey in December? 1334.       KeithL 1455 posts  31 Aug 2006 Thu 06:30 am we'll be here wendy. december is unpredictable. But there is nothing colder than istanbul when its cold and wet. the chill goes right to the bone. Too early for Uludaag probably. Thread: Natives help me here please... 1335.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 09:38 pm I think its a remake of "canim istanbul" by Necip Fazil Kisakurek. Possible? I found the lyriks and I think they sound right, but I cant find the actual song anywhere. Thread: Natives help me here please... 1336.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 09:20 pm mltm, again, thanks for trying but that was not either. I will make sure I ask the next time I hear it when I'm out. Thread: Natives help me here please... 1337.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 09:13 pm Thanks erdinc but that was not it. This song I speak of has a refrain in it where the singers is calling out "Istanbul" almost as if in pain, in a high pitch tone. Possibly the song of as turk living elsewhere and is no longer in Istanbul. Just a guess. But again, thank you for trying to help me with this! Thread: Natives help me here please... 1338.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 08:20 pm The place I hear it often is at a turkish pub in nişantışı. Anyone here rememebr when a club named "George" was here? Anyway, this turkish pub shares the corridor with "Touchdowns" if anyone is familiar with this area. Thread: Natives help me here please... 1339.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 08:18 pm This is an old song I think that several singers have recorded. Also, I've only heard it sung by male singers. Defnitely not a rap song. Slow tempo, yet very passionate about the singer's love for istanbul. Almost Arabisk like. Thread: Natives help me here please... 1340.       KeithL 1455 posts  28 Aug 2006 Mon 07:36 pm still no help here? Thread: English-Turkish dictionary 1341.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2006 Thu 09:04 am small one (kücük) Langenscheidt's (its small and yellow) big one (büyük) Milet Büyük Sözlük Good luck Thread: Money 1342.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2006 Thu 12:17 am Please let us know if we were correct or incorrect Thread: Everyone Please 1343.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2006 Thu 12:15 am I cant believe I'm answering this one but where is canim? Canim in my opinion may be the most used term of endearment in the turkish language. canim benim... tatlim benim... askim benim... anyway, my thoughts Thread: Natives help me here please... 1344.       KeithL 1455 posts  24 Aug 2006 Thu 12:07 am Its about istanbul, not a lover Thread: Natives help me here please... 1345.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2006 Wed 07:06 pm There are a million songs named istanbul. but at the weekends in the real turkish clubs, its not uncommon for a particular song that I think is named istanbul, comes on and everyone in the whole club sings this. Any ideas on if there is a different title to this song or if there is a singer that sings the most popular version. I'm trying to purchase it or download it. many thanks. Keith in Fulya Thread: Money 1346.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2006 Wed 01:23 am Many that do this may be trying to get money from many different girls at the same time. A big test is to ask your daughter if she can alays reach her boyfriend on his mobile. Does he answer his phone right away or does he call back hours later? Then they will make an excuse why they couldnt answer their mobile. Every man in turkey carries his mobile every second ogf the day. Anyway, maybe this was too much info but again, good luck. Thread: Money 1347.       KeithL 1455 posts  23 Aug 2006 Wed 01:19 am Mr. Watson, This is more common in the tourist areas near the seaside cities. Dont send the money. I am sorry for you and your daughter.... Thread: ARGH!! I can't get over Turkey... want to go back... 1348.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Aug 2006 Tue 04:23 pm thats some brilliant advice if you asked me... Thread: Getting a MORTGAGE for a TURKISH property! 1349.       KeithL 1455 posts  18 Jan 2006 Wed 07:42 pm Just to clarify further, foreigners are allowed to own property in Turkey. (I own my flat in Istanbul) and would like to buy a holiday home in Antalya. Mortages are complex because of Turkey's high inflation rate. Most homes (99.99%?) in Turkey are purchased cash in full with USD or Euros. Thread: TURKISH MUSIC 1350.       KeithL 1455 posts  13 Jan 2006 Fri 08:48 am What about Hande Yener? She's my neighbor (and she's hot) Osman Bayan, I have a rule in istanbul. Never ride in a taxi when the driver is listening to arabisk. I'm always afraid that he is one lyric away from driving off the Bosphourous Bridge... Thread: Athletic Center in Istanbul 1351.       KeithL 1455 posts  10 Jan 2006 Tue 05:43 pm Istanbul has been planning a new athletic center on the asian side. The facility was going to include an Olympic pool and also indoor ice skating/hockey rinks. Anyone know about this and if construction has started? Thanks! Keith. Thread: finding a job in Turkey 1352.       KeithL 1455 posts  16 Nov 2005 Wed 01:12 am For a foreigner, it is much easier to find a job in Turkey that it is a native turk in many cases. The most important thing that these course managers are looking for is native speakers. In many cases, foreigners without a teaching degree will get the teaching jobs before a native turk with a degree and certification. I dont think the typical language schools pay very well, so the best thing a foreigner can do is after getting settled, teach private lessons. You will make alot more money. These jobs are mostly without insurance or work visas so another drawnback to working this way is that you will have to leave Turkey every 3 months to get your tourist Visa renewed. They even run buses to greece or Bulgaria so that you can do this in one day from istanbul. I hope this helps someone and also encourage everyone to come see the most fantastic city in the world. Thread: Cultural differences 1353.       KeithL 1455 posts  25 Feb 2005 Fri 05:01 am Not true. Turkish girls love jewelry. I know many girls that where many rings. In the villages, maybe it is different. But in istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and other larger cities, rings are very fashionable. Thread: Istanbul my love 1354.       KeithL 1455 posts  22 Feb 2005 Tue 01:18 am Catwoman, All I can tell you is that İstanbul is alive. In every neighborhood, on nearly every street corner there is activity. It really isn't possible to put my thoughts in a short paragraph, but believe me, when you are in İstanbul, you know you are alive and a part of a great city. Thread: Istanbul my love 1355.       KeithL 1455 posts  21 Feb 2005 Mon 06:53 pm I came to Istanbul 3 years ago and now, I can't ever imagine myself leaving. It grips you more than any city in the world that i have ever been... (1455 Messages in 146 pages - View all) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ...  >> Turkish Dictionary Turkish Chat Open mini chat New in Forums Crossword Vocabulary Puzzles for Turkish L... qdemir: You can view and solve several of the puzzles online at ... Giriyor vs Geliyor. lrnlang: Thank you for the ... 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