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Thread: An interesting movie to watch, is it already playing in Turkey????THERE WILL BE BLOOD

2251.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:22 pm

Thanks, Lisa, dear! I am still wondering if the same movie is playing in Turkey now. Nobody wants to reply? still waiting.



Thread: Kultepe/Kanesh

2252.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:18 pm

Artemis of Ephesus

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/gallery/artemisephesus.jpg

Etruscans:
http://www.maravot.com/Translation_ShortScripts_c.html



Thread: Kultepe/Kanesh

2253.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:04 pm

I am sure I posted this some time ago:
www.archatlas.org/Trade/Trade.php



Thread: Man forced to Marry Goat!!!!

2254.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 05:01 pm

Interview with Jerry Springer "I married a horse", "I hacked off my manhood". Are these true?



Yes, those stories are absolutely true, as we saw! One case we saw the horse. The other case we saw exactly what was missing! We had records, you couldn't make it up. If you made it up no one would believe you. The only way you can put something like that on is because it's true.

To reveal an infidelity to a partner on television is a cruel act which inevitably humiliates the innocent party, yet you provide a platform on your show for this to be done, and are therefore an accomplice to this humiliation. How can you possibly justify yourself?



Thread: Kultepe/Kanesh

2255.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:30 pm

My favorite subject: Archeology(Kultepe and Asikli Hoyuk)

Kultepe translates as Ash Hill, the local name given to the burnt remains of the ancient city of Kanesh, 20km NE of Kayseri. The mysterious fire that destroyed the city must have spread very quickly as the inhabitants fled leaving all kinds of beautiful household objects for archaeologists to find. Although this site was occupied from the Bronze Age to the end of the Roman period, its fame came from its Karum, or trading centre, run by the Assyrians from northern Mesopotamia. They imported tin, garments and cloth on caravans of 200 or so camels, horses, mules and donkeys, and exchanged these goods for gold or silver. The Karum at Kanesh was the biggest and most important, controlling all the other Karums in Anatolia.
Kultepe's greatest contribution to history is the 300 or so Assyrian cuneiform clay tablets found at the Karum, which included a divorce document and the freedom paper of a slave as well as numerous trade agreements. Excavations have been carried out for the last 100 years and are still ongoing.


Asikli Hoyuk

Asikli Hoyuk (pronounced a-shik-le-who-yook), in today's province of Aksaray, was a thriving town between 8,400 and 7,400 BCE, well before Catalhoyuk came into existence. Today, only foundations exist, but in Aceramic Neolithic times it had a defensive stone wall as well as a main thoroughfare. Its similarities with Catalhoyuk suggest a cultural link; homes were entered via the roof and the people buried their dead under the floors of their living rooms. There is also speculation that the painting of a town in front of an erupting volcano which was found at Catalhoyuk, now in the museum in Ankara, is a folk memory from Asiki Hoyuk. I think this is possibly the case because this town is closer to the volcano Mount Hasan and the perspective seems right from this spot.
Asikli Hoyuk is most famous, though, for being the place where the earliest confirmed example of trepanation was found. Trepanation is not a brain operation but the removal of a small piece of the skull, possibly to cure severe headaches (!) or even to release evil spirits. The young woman concerned died a few days after the operation, although possibly not as a result of the trepanation. Also, traces of the world's first autopsy were seen on the jaw bone of another woman. I wonder who this Neolithic doctor was and what discoveries were made!





Thread: Turkish Camel wrestling in Hidirbeyi, Incirliova and Aydin

2256.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 04:03 pm

Equestrian game: Cirit
It is a game that the Turks have enjoyed for many centuries. It was the public form of athletic competition in nomadic Turkish society where the equestrian tradition was very strong: Turks were born and grew up on horseback, a great many fought as cavalry officers, their only drink was the horse milk called kımız and many perished on horseback. Cirit was accepted as a war game by the Ottomans in the 16th century. While its scope has shrank in the current day cirit is still played in weddings and holidays in Anatolia.

Cirit entered Anatolia with Alpaslan and spread from there to Europe and the Arab lands. It was played in German and French-speaking territories in the 17th century.




Thread: Heavy snowfall in Turkey - Hurriyet

2257.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 03:21 pm

Mujde, you are so right, especially when you read this old article about Turkey's water shortage:

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=73400



Thread: Heavy snowfall in Turkey - Hurriyet

2258.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 03:09 pm

TRAFFIC PARALYZED
Heavy snowfall and cold weather paralyzed the daily life and the traffic across the country on Sunday and Monday. Snowfall closed schools in several provinces. It also blocked roads to thousands of villages. On the other hand, snowfall left a great portion of Istanbul without electricity. 2,049 personnel with 1,154 vehicles exerted efforts to open roads to traffic. 159 homeless people were taken to Alibeykoy sports hall. Municipality authorities said homeless people could stay there until weather conditions became normal. On the other hand, meteorology officials said cold weather would keep affecting several provinces till midweek.



Thread: An interesting movie to watch, is it already playing in Turkey????THERE WILL BE BLOOD

2259.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 02:42 am

starring:
Daniel Day Lewis
http://www.paramountvantage.com/blood/



Thread: Seafaring in the Northern Black Sea: A Historical Overview

2260.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 19 Feb 2008 Tue 01:44 am

Another interesting topic:Seven sunken ships have already been found buried in mud at Yenikapi, a few hundred meters inland from the Sea of Marmara and a 10-minute stroll from the mass tourist attractions of the Grand Bazaar and the Topkapi Palace
Lost Treasures of Constantinople Test Turkey's 21st-century Ambition
£2bn train tunnel linking Europe to Asia faces delays as dig unearths 5th-century port.
Deep in the soft black earth beneath the cleared slum tenements of old Istanbul, Metin Gokcay points to neatly stacked and labeled crates heaped with shattered crockery. "That’s mostly old mosaics and old ceramics," said the Istanbul city archaeologist. "And over there we found bones and coins."

Looking at huge slabs of limestone emerging from a depth of more than 7 meters (25ft) below ground, he adds: "That’s late Roman, this is early Byzantine. This tunnel here is very interesting. Perhaps Constantine’s mother had her palace over there."

The archaeologist is making mischief. For more than a millennium this city bore the name of Constantine, but whether the emperor’s mother lived at this spot called Yenikapi, a powerful stone’s throw from the Sea of Marmara, is a moot point. Mr Gokcay is intrigued and baffled by the subterranean stone tunnel which, measuring 1.8 meters by 1.5 meters, is too big to have been used for sewage or as an aqueduct.

But if Mr Gokcay remains in the dark as to the function of the ancient tunnel, his excavations have led to a stunning discovery that could jeopardize Turkey’s most ambitious engineering project - a new rail and underground system traversing the Bosphorus and connecting Europe to Asia via a high-speed railway.

Mr Gokcay has uncovered a 5th-century gem - the original port of Constantinople, a maze of dams, jetties and platforms that once was Byzantium’s hub for trade with the near east.

Cemal Pulak, a Turkish-American, from Texas, and one of the world’s leading experts in nautical archaeology, said: "The ships from here carried the wine in jars and amphorae from the Sea of Marmara. The cargoes of grain came in from Alexandria. This was the harbor that allowed this city to be."

In a mood of barely suppressed excitement, armies of archaeologists and laborers have been scraping away silt and rubble for the past year and revealed a vast site the size of several football pitches. It is slowly giving up its secrets and its treasures.

Seven sunken ships have already been found buried in mud at Yenikapi, a few hundred meters inland from the Sea of Marmara and a 10-minute stroll from the mass tourist attractions of the Grand Bazaar and the Topkapi Palace.

Mr Pulak is thrilled that one of the ships, a longboat, may be the first Byzantine naval vessel ever found. All of the boats appear to have been wrecked in a storm. There are 1,000-year-old shipping ropes in perfect condition, preserved in silt for centuries. There are huge forged iron anchors, viewed as so valuable in medieval Byzantium they were highly prized items in the dowries of the daughters of the wealthy.

Treasure chest

But if the discovery of the ancient port of Constantinople promises a treasure chest of riches for historians and archaeologists, it also brings its problems. The old harbor straddles what is to become the biggest railway station in Turkey, a gleaming modern temple connecting the city’s new high-speed rail and metro.

"It’s a phenomenal site. But it opens a can of worms," said Mr Pulak. "This is to be the biggest station in Turkey and they’ll be wanting to put huge shopping malls on the top."

The Yenikapi site is the linchpin of what the Turkish government dubs the "project of the century". The $4bn (£2.2bn) Marmaray transport project is being built by a Japanese-led consortium. There will be tunneling under the Bosphorus for the first time ever, with high-speed trains going through the deepest underwater tunnel in the world in the middle of a high-risk earthquake zone. The tunnel itself will be built to withstand quakes of 9.0 on the Richter scale in the area of the North Anatolian Fault, which runs below the Sea of Marmara nearing the walls of Istanbul. Seismologists say a large earthquake and a mini tsunami are almost inevitable within a generation at the latest.

The ambitious new transport system is to shift 75,000 passengers an hour and to put Istanbul behind only Tokyo and New York in the global league table for urban rail capacity.

There is no doubt the Marmaray is needed urgently. In a city of 12 million, which seems to grow by the week, the traffic congestion is a nightmare and the Bosphorus bridges are gridlocked semi-permanently. So the engineers, transport officials and urban planners are in a hurry to get the infrastructure built by the end of the decade. That puts Mr Gokcay and his teams of experts under immense pressure to finish their dig.

"The transport guys say they are losing a million a day because of the archaeological delays," said one expert. "But it’s ridiculous - when they were building the Athens metro the excavations took seven years. Here they want it finished in six months."

Ismail Karamut, the director of the city’s museum of archaeology and a leading expert on the history of Istanbul, refuses to be intimidated by the urban planners. "This city is 2,800 years old and here we’re digging right in the middle of a living city. It’s not like excavating on a mountainside. The transport people can’t start until we’re finished. And maybe they’ll have to change their project depending on what we find. We’ve told them we can’t give them a deadline."

It is perhaps logical and fitting that the same spot that provided the shipping hub for 5th-century Constantinople should become the rail nexus for 21st-century Istanbul. But the dilemmas thrown up by trying to secure the future without destroying the past are a headache.

Ottoman gardeners

The discovered artifacts fall into the easy bit. The ships can be rebuilt using computer simulations; the anchors, ropes and coins can all be housed elsewhere. But you cannot move the ancient port - believed to be Portus Theodosiacus, in use from the 4th to the 7th centuries, after which it started silting up, then became useless for shipping. In later centuries it served just as fertile vegetable plots for Ottoman allotment gardeners.

One idea is to cordon off the old port area creating an "archaeological island" that would be an exhibit in the new transport complex. But that is a tricky solution because of the underground shafts and the vast scale of the station.

The doyen of archaeology for Constantinople, the late German researcher Wolfgang Muller-Wiener, predicted 30 years ago that the old port would be found at Yenikapi. But the site was covered in illegal tenements and could not be explored. It was the modern transport project that made discovery of the old port possible, since the site had to be cleared to make way for the railway station.

Mr Karamut said: "We knew from the ancient documents and records that there was some kind of port around there. But we didn’t know exactly where. We didn’t know that it could be Constantinople’s first harbor."

By Guardian Unlimited © Copyright Guardian Newspapers 2008
Published: 1/24/2006



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