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Thread: What are you listening now?

6361.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:58 pm

Quoting ciko:

Quoting thehandsom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R6sIoBmLwg&feature=related
Simdi uzaklardasin. Zeki Muren



offfffff sad song


I am aware of that ciko..

ali desidero -MFO



Thread: A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey

6362.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 01:29 pm

Quoting Lapinkulta:

why these stupid racist and anti-islamist women here anymore, catwoman and Femme_fatal?...stop attackting muslims and Turks here in TC.This site is for Turkish learners not for your discussions...


I am not going to say anything about catwoman but I think she owns the site. But about femme_fatal.
We wanted her here man!!
I believe, she is a good counter-balance for Turkish racists.



Thread: Religion....

6363.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:48 pm

Quoting MrX67:

to don't believe or interrogate sure a personal prefer and a freedom,but whats benefit to hurt others feelings who believeing em with their all innocence??


Mrx67, if we were all like you, we would have nothing to talk or argue!!



Thread: What are you listening now?

6364.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R6sIoBmLwg&feature=related
Simdi uzaklardasin. Zeki Muren



Thread: THE WHITE PATH

6365.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:30 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:


I think what makes people rather tired of "embracing cultures" is when we realise that we are "respecting other cultures" in our country, and when we visit other countries we again have to "respect other cultures"!!!! If I go to work in Iran, I have to wear a headscarf, if an Iranian comes to work in the UK, they can wear what the hell they like!

Muslims actually have more freedom in the UK than in Turkey (which is at least 85% muslim!!!!)


Haha
Because you brits have been very BED in the past to the world as far as respecting the other cultures are concerned. That is part of the reason why you have to show 'double respect' now. lol

But apart from the joke, I think AEnigma is telling the truth. The tolerance and respect to other faiths and other cultures has no comparison as far as the middle east countries and UK/western countries are concerned.
There is still much more room for improvement though!
And also, I think, popularity of extremism right now is quite closely related to Iraq war. (I would blame T Blair )



Thread: Religion....

6366.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:15 pm

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting CANLI:

And who asked them to be with that man ?lol
Beside women will have what they ask for too

Well,and i didnt speak to anyone there too,i didnt see ALLAH,but i believe HE is there
So im curious isnt it written in the Bible ?!


I actually don't know what's written in the Bible about this, I guess it just says "paradise", you go interpret that. lol

I guess the 72 virgins will probably have to be blow-up dolls, as no woman would actually "wish" to be a prostitute in heaven. :-S lol

There's a joke about that: A guy goes to an imam and asks "will women also have 72 male virgins in heaven?" and the imam says "yes, if they are good muslims, they will". The guy goes home and sees his wife praying... goes to her and says "I know why you're praying, you want to go to heaven to have sex with other men!"

''dervişin fikri neyse zikride odur''


I think catwoman was quite logical mrx67.
Do you really believe virgins are waiting for you in heaven?



Thread: A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey

6367.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 12:03 pm

It is a very interesting article indeed. And also, because it is coming from that particular writer, it makes it a bit important and I think, it should be taken seriously!
He is right about all those rubbish Hadiths of course and the need for reform in islam itself.

But what is I dont agree in his writing is that he thinks, somehow, a 'real islam' is the answer. And the secularism is not. And he does not have courage to go into non democratic values of Islam itself!! He does not want to extend his reforms into into basic writings in Koran ie equality between women and men, all those kaffir things, hand choppings etc.
He is avoiding the real problems and trying to prove that islam (consequently sheria) and open democratic socity can exist. A kind of mild version of islam which could be an example for all extremist middle east regimes. (And it reminds me a USA plan for the middle east in which Turkey is assigned a mild version of Islam).

But the thing is Sheria and democracy cant live together.




Thread: Religion....

6368.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Feb 2008 Tue 10:04 am

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting thehandsom:


ps..I am really trying to understand the timescale of it..I am not trying insinuate anything.



İ dont know what do you mean exactly with ''takkiye''
İs it when people lie to protect their lives when being threatened for their religions?
when i understand the meaning 'maybe we call it something else',i can answer if i know

İ thought you were Muslim handsom...
Anyway,Kur'an has been sent from ALLAH during the time Rasul SAV were inviting people to İslam,
İt was interfeering with people's lives on that time
So,when you read when the Ayat has been sent,you will find many Ayat had stories of people who done this or that,and they didnt know the right thing so ALLAH answered them
So,as qdemir said,AMMAR had to say he is Kafir so they stop tourturing him 'they used to beary Muslims in sand,and only their head is visible,or tie each one of their hands in a robe,and pulling it different ways by horses till they become apart,...ect'so we are talking about really none human things
So,when he said that,he was crying sad,he is Muslim in his heart,but his tongue said he is not,so ALLAH sent that ayat on that time to calm his heart and people like him,not to worry they still muslims,and in cases like this they are allowed to lie to protect their lives and they are still Muslims as long as they are really Muslims in their hearts.


Now what you are saying above is quite interesting and it will fuel the speculations about how everything was sent down to the earth in the first place.

Because Allah, who knows the past and the future, decided to send his ayats by looking at particular situations, particular events before sending them.
Then the questions will come into everbody's mind 'why the creater of everything had to wait? did he not know that incident was going to happen? did he need to see those incidents before sending corresponding ayats?'
If you are going to answer above questions Canli, your answer should be NOT 'Allah knows better than us, we cant question why'.



Thread: Religion....

6369.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Feb 2008 Mon 10:29 pm

Quoting vineyards:

Back in the 80's, I was representing an American publication and had a guest from Saudi Arabia. I took him to a nice bar in the center of Taksim (Etap Marmara), and we began discussing Turkey, Islam. He said Turkey was going through all these economic problems because Turks had betrayed Islam. The guy was holding a glass of whiskey on the rocks and cursing Ataturk and his reforms. Of course, he wanted me to help him arrange a woman for that night. Now, if this is not takiyye or whatever it is a tell tale sign of how immature these medieval people are.


lol lol



Thread: Religion....

6370.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Feb 2008 Mon 06:24 pm

Now I am a bit confused qdemir.
previously you wrote that :
"Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. Nobody is allowed, or licensed to state otherwise."
I assumed that takkiye is in Koran itself.
The event you are mentioning, thinking about the time scale, happened after Islam's creation. I mean Kuran was already there and Mohammad was the prophet. (Because his friend was a believer-believing in Islam- had been tortured by non-believers etc)

If takkiye is in Kuran, are you suggesting that 'that incident' had happened and God sent that a new verse because of that event?
Or takkiye is not in Kuran itself?

ps..I am really trying to understand the timescale of it..I am not trying insinuate anything.



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