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Thread: History in making!! Peace at Last?

761.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2013 Fri 11:09 pm

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

of course asking for the mohther tounge is a right, but the whole fish starts to stink when the strongest advoates of the kurdish mother tounge are the european countries like germany and holland, who are into serious assimilation politics against foreign ethnicities themselves and destroying the "foreigners" childrens mother tounge in their countries. that france who declared herself the knight of freedom literally kicked all of the gypsies out of her borders and are now trying to wipe out an ethnic group called tuaregs from mali. forgive me if i am skeptical to the "mother tounge" style agitations from these people.

 

another problem comes from the fact that kurds take up 8% of the population while 17% is made up of OTHER ethnic groups and they are also need to be given their mother tounge and whatever else rights if kurds are given these rights. but only kurds get it. gypsies are still being tormented. why? because kurds were misrepresnted by pkk who used guns and killed people. so what, does this mean you will get your rights in turkey only if you get some gang kill people in your name? this is the message that is unintentionally being given to that 17% other ethnicities. do you know what çerkez people are doing right now? theyre going around forming their own guild and start questioning if they should ask for their own autonomy also. what do you think will happen if every single ethnicity does this? what do you will happen if 75 turkish ethnicities also decide to own their own autonomy? will there be a turkey anymore? isnt this the whole goal of greece etc?

 

every logical person wants peace. even the most warrior one. so dont label everyone who criticizes the steps taken during this peace process as peace-haters who are disturbed by this. its not. actually all we want is the removal of every singe potential obstacle that could dispel the flow of this process.

 

I dont think Holland cares Kurds mother tongue. I think this is really distorted view of the army generals. They wanted people to believe that Kurds asking for their own languge was part of the western plan to divide Turkey. West would rather prefer an undivided Turkey. All those pipe lines built through Turkey and many being built is the proof of that.

Kurds are around 20% of Turkish population. That is mainly the reason why the assimilation of Kurds failed. Because of their number. Kurds are not asking for autonomy as far as I can see. They want to live in with us without changing the borders of Turkey. Other ethnicities? well They can ask their culture to be preserved too. Or education in their own language? why not? France has that, UK has that. In the UK, even alevism is being tought as a subject.  Greece´s goal? I am not sure on that. They are on a different scale. Only Istanbul´s economy is bigger than Greece+Bulgaria.

I hope you are right to say that peace is everybody´s desire. But I still dont have any sympathy for the ideas such as ´wishing all these things fail´ because it is not ending the way they wanted it to end.

 



Thread: HOŞ GİDİŞLER OLA !

762.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2013 Fri 10:49 pm

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

 

excuse me if i refuse to believe that pkk is a kurdish movement and connected with kurd teali guild back in the world war 1. its true that these guilds and cemiyets have been worked upon for almost like 200 years and their situation constantly misrepresented and improved for centuries, but i dont think that pkk is a result of this. its true that they used this misconception to help themselves with numbers, but if you take a moment and think about their tactics and the dates that they have started "working" you will see that the core strategy is far from a simple rebellion or a result of "fake assimilation".

 

if pkk was directly related with the mistreatment of kurds, this movement would have died as soon as it started. it wouldve died at 60, or 80, like the rest of such people-based movements. but any eneral in the army will tell you that pkk is a foreign threat that takes its strenght from beyond the border, syria, iran and iraq. everybody knows that they have training camps almost everywhere, greece and israel being the top most. do you know any other ethnicity-related movement that received so much foreign support anywhere else in the world?

 

if it was a simple final-chain-of-the-eastern-rebellions than 1- 5 million kurds would be supporting it and the country wouldve turned upside down 2- the ethnic demographics of pkk would not include a 60% armenian rate 3- they wouldnt be using heavy weapons such as mortars, rocket launchers, anti air missles, light cannons and light weapons which were all more advanced than the ones that being were used by the turkish army in 90s, they would be using simple handguns.

 

plus its a bit far-off guess to think that this teali and cemiyet movements that were parented by britian and france in ww1 are still being supported and seriously worked upon by england at the moment. i dont know france though. but i dont think their intelligence is as advanced to work above and around the american, iranian, barzani and israeli intelligence in the region.

 

i do agree however that this fight has hit the knife to the bone and everybody is sick and tired of it and no foreign games can change the turkish mind that is set for peace right now.

 

I think in the end, it is up to you if PKK is the result of 90 years of Kurdish politics of our republic or not. Or in generic, you call our policies of creating ´one nation´ ´fake asimilation´.

This movement or PKK did not go away or died away because the mistreatement of Kurds continued. That is simply the truth. Now, they are asking for equality and a life as Kurds. This is as simple as that. Any general in the army? I would not believe them. We heard that ´foreign element´ as a story since the begining of PKK. Infact, if you check the history there were almost ´foreign elements in every rebellion´. (Even in Sheik Sait rebellion- later, Inonu said it was not the truth ). Foreign elements rethoric has gone long time ago.  Even the president says that the problem is inside our borders.

But anyway, all these argumants were for one thing and one thing only: A turkey without terrorism and a Turkey, where everybody lives with their own identity. A better Turkey. More democratical Turkey.

And it seems like we are a step closer to that objective.

 

 

 



Thread: THE NEW TRANSLATION LOUNGE ( 2013-.....)

763.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2013 Fri 06:29 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Fırınlama günüm...

 

Oma kuva 6                               ...buyurunuz.

 

There are rumors that you have rat infestation!!

{#emotions_dlg.razz}



Edited (3/29/2013) by thehandsom



Thread: HOŞ GİDİŞLER OLA !

764.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2013 Fri 05:41 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

What is going on? What agreement? What terrorists?

 

Since the begining of this year, the state opened the talks with PKK and Ocalan (the jailed leader of PKK) (or started doing this publicly)

Since then, the PKK leader, despite he is in jail,  become quite prominant in politics. Ocalan and the state agreed on something. According to Ocalan, the time of  weapons is over.  In Newros in Diyarbakir, his letter was read to over 1 million Kurds (in 21st of March). In his letter he ordered the PKK fighters to leave Turkey. He said they are moving from armed struggle to political struggle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21874427

The state is adjusting itself according to the peace. ie. Letting PKK fighters to leave Turkey.  Possibly an amnesty will follow.

I think most the population is ready for this new paradigm too. Only some outdated people are objecting.



Thread: HOŞ GİDİŞLER OLA !

765.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Mar 2013 Fri 02:36 pm

 

Quoting burakk

 

 

 

because the first time they arrived they were being directed by a singular command, so now they are also retreating with an order coming from a singular commandment. you should instead ask yourself how this comes in sycn with the sudden israel apology and replacement of the syrian seat with the government repserenstative with the rebel representative and how n. korea goes berserk while usa gives the final line to iran.

 

we all know that both the engineer of the pkk peace and the israeli apology is obama. so obama is your guarantee. pkk is not a collective eşkıya act or ethnicity-based rebellion thing as its believed to be. this sudden cease of all violence in the past few months is a clear sign of this collective commanding network.

 

and believe me even if they want to return they will have to replenish their numbers seriously and that will take some time.

 

it doesnt bother us that terrorists leave the country. it bothers us if they will continue their actions from outside and will tour europes and americas as a reward for their violent actions. there are 30.000 casulties and these people have families. if your family member was also killed by someone you would also want to see those people punished by the athorities instead of being let go by the authorities. but regardless of this fact, many of the matyr families and the families whose children died while fighting for pkk support peace and agreement without any condition.

 

as well as i do. though not without condition

 

If you know our history, if you know what happened in last 100 years, you would not think that ´everything started with a single command´. PKK is the result of the politics of last 100 years; results of the ´failed´ assimilation. Basically it is nothing to do with Obama. Obama was not born and the USA was not a super power when the problems with  Kurds started.

It will be the most likely, if you connect the recent developments with PKK and Ocalan with our PMs ambition to be the president and the new constitution(with added usa style presidency). Israel/North Korea etc are  very unlikely connections. However, I can accept the connections with Iran/Syria/Northern Irak, sii-sunni power struggle in the region . But no external reason is more powerful than Turkish people´s desire to see peace in their own country.



Thread: what caught my eye today

766.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Mar 2013 Thu 11:30 pm

10000 £ bionic dog Bumblebee

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297816/The-10-000-bionic-basset-hound-Touching-story-Bumblebee-vulnerable-owner-bond-melt-heart.html



Thread: What didn´t escape from my eyes today

767.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Mar 2013 Thu 04:29 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I like Turkish coffee but I cannot think of it as real coffee. If I had to give up real coffee I doubt if Turkish coffee would even alleviate my withdrawal symptoms.

 

But "Turkish coffee" is the real coffee!! {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}



Thread: HOŞ GİDİŞLER OLA !

768.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Mar 2013 Thu 03:38 pm

 

Quoting Abla

AlphaF means they should be put in cold storage first.

 

We tried..

Infact, we tried 30 years. While trying we lost 40.000/50.000 people directly, 10.000-20.000 indirectly.

An agreement has been made. They will leave Turkey. After all these, if you are still bothered  why they are leaving, then I will have right to  ask the question "Why?".



Thread: HOŞ GİDİŞLER OLA !

769.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Mar 2013 Thu 02:14 pm

Why would/should "terrorists leaving Turkey" bother some Turks? 

That is the question.



Edited (3/28/2013) by thehandsom



Thread: What didn´t escape from my eyes today

770.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Mar 2013 Thu 02:12 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Maybe you brought it but WE made it TASTE good! {#emotions_dlg.super_cool} Now you´re still drinking that bitter dark drink while dreaming about our tasty starbucks but you´re afraid to admit it. 

 

 

You are living in a dream world!!

Never!!



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