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Thread: The Issue of the Veil

31.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:34 pm

Quoting silversong:



I dont usually get involved in this kind of discussion, because I think women should wear what they wish if it is their free choice

but I am trying hard to understand another point of view

I dont understand why it is women who have to cover their beauty and modesty

is this to prevent indecent thoughts and actions by men

why is this the women responsibility, are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam

Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty



Just another point of view



Or maybe women will always carry the burden of men ´lol´





Of course women are free to wear whatever they want, but they also have the right to submit to orders of Allah.



Thread: The Issue of the Veil

32.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 09:08 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting zizoo:

Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":

that they should draw their veils over their bosoms



Just trying to understand....where does it say they must cover their heads or entire body?...says they should cover bossoms.



No, this is also stated in the verse:
"and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof".

If you look at the interpretation books of Quran, you will find that what is meant by "except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" are only the face and hands, meaning that they should cover all their body except for face and hands.



Thread: The Issue of the Veil

33.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:40 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Ok, so hijab is a test - no problems here - it´s your religion and you follow whatever you consider right. What about women who wear burkas etc?



I´m, myself not sure about it but Muslim scholars had different views about this. Some of them say that women should only wear hijab as the verse i sent states, while the others see that women should wear the neqab or burka.

But in Islam as long as there is an issue that that Muslim scholars have different views about it, you have the right to follow the view you want or you think is right as long as it is stated by a "well-known scholar" who prove his views from Quran and Sunna (Hadiths), usually one of the "Four Imams" Ahmed ibn hanbal, Shafei, Imam Malik, and Abu Hanyfa.



Thread: The Issue of the Veil

34.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 07:12 pm

Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband´s fathers, their sons, their husbands´ sons, their brothers or their brothers´ sons, or their sisters´ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. [Sura: 24, Verse: 31]



Thread: The Issue of the Veil

35.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 06:39 pm

I just want to clarify something to the people who wonder why Muslims do things like the women wearing hijab. Of course, wearing hijab is not the best appearance of women but according to Muslims, life is a test which is full of temptations and desires that you have to leave some of them (Haram things) for the sake of Allah so that Allah rewards you the Paradise in the next life, so you don´t always have the do the things you want or things that please you whatever the consequences.

And this meaning is stated in Quran in various verses:

What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand? [Sura: 6, Verse: 32].

The (material) things which ye are given are but the conveniences of this life and the glitter thereof; but that which is with Allah is better and more enduring: will ye not then be wise? [Sura: 28, Verse: 60]

O men! Certainly the promise of Allah is true. Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah. [Sura: 35, Verse 5]

"O my people! This life of the present is nothing but [temporary] convenience: It is the Hereafter that is the Home that will last. [Sura: 40, Verse: 39]

Know ye [all], that the life of this world is but play and amusement, pomp and mutual boasting and multiplying, [in rivalry] among yourselves, riches and sons. Here is a similitude: How rain and the growth which it brings forth, delight [the hearts of] the tillers; soon it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then it becomes dry and crumbles away. But in the Hereafter is a Penalty severe [for the devotees of wrong]. And Forgiveness from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure (for the devotees of Allah). And what is the life of this world, but goods and chattels of deception? [Sura: 57, Verse: 20].

The likeness of the life of the present is as the rain which We send down from the skies: by its mingling arises the produce of the earth- which provides food for men and animals: (It grows) till the earth is clad with its golden ornaments and is decked out (in beauty): the people to whom it belongs think they have all powers of disposal over it: There reaches it Our command by night or by day, and We make it like a harvest clean-mown, as if it had not flourished only the day before! thus do We explain the Signs in detail for those who reflect. [Sura: 10, Verse: 24]

Set forth to them the similitude of the life of this world: It is like the rain which we send down from the skies: the earth´s vegetation absorbs it, but soon it becomes dry stubble, which the winds do scatter: it is (only) Allah who prevails over all things. [Sura: 18, Verse 45]



Thread: The Issue of the Veil

36.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 04:02 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting SuiGeneris:



This is beacuse of your imams regulations... Not because of god told

My uncle is an Imam and highly educated one... wrote books etc... goes to conferences... but his wife doesnt wear a veil... also he is totally against to that...

if you want to wear it... wear...



Well,its not imam,actually its in Qur´an
And its obvious that we dont even need imam to explain it.

So it is because of what ALLAH ordered.

Well,i dont know how to reply this,when you said about your uncle
Mmmm,ok not personal,but you know alcohol is haram,yes ?
We dont have any doubts in this,yes?
The one who drink it,the one who sell it,the one who offer it....ect,and its written in Qur´and very clear too
Yes ?
We also have imam who said its NOT haram to sell alcohol to foreigners !

Would that make it Halal by ALLAH to sell it ?!

Same as hijab,it is in Qur´an,imam or not ´im sry´ its an order even if anyone says its not.

We dont follow what imam says if its not written in Qur´an,as you know what ALLAH says,and Rasul SAV
We have our book Qur´an,we have Sunna ´Rasul orders´
Those are our regulations,not İmams.

So,if its not an order from ALLAH,be sure i wouldnt be wearing it,and so many women here.



+1



Thread: A modern Ottoman

37.       zizoo
49 posts
 21 Jul 2008 Mon 04:46 am

I notice that some people here reveal apparent hostility against Islam and Islamic thoughts showing it like a ghost threatening people´s lives. But this is not true, Islam is not dangerous, it is not harmful. Why are you afraid of Islamic thoughts being spread in Turkey or wherever? Islam doesn´t force anybody to believe or to do what they don´t want to do. I´ve read the article sent by Roswitha www.meforum.org/article/404 that talks about Gülen and his life and I found that he is not racial, or bigot, or dangerous. Instead, he is moderate and every Muslim has the right to support him or not.



Thread: How can i say?

38.       zizoo
49 posts
 20 Jul 2008 Sun 06:28 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Quoting zizoo:

How can i say:
1) Your dog´s collar (The collar of your dog).
2) His/her dog´s collar.
3) their books.


1. Köpeğinizin tasması
2. Köpeğinin tasması
3. Onların Kitapları



1. So what if i want to use the second person possessive suffix "in" instead of "iniz", would it be "Köpeğinin" also?

3. But "their book" is also "onların kitapları". What is the difference?



Thread: How can i say?

39.       zizoo
49 posts
 20 Jul 2008 Sun 02:01 pm

How can i say:
1) Your dog´s collar (The collar of your dog).
2) His/her dog´s collar.
3) their books.



Thread: Vowel Rules

40.       zizoo
49 posts
 20 Jul 2008 Sun 01:32 pm

Thank you very much, it is very clear now



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