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TURKISH PEOPLE VIEWS ON DIVORCE
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:04 am |
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Hi I was just wondering what Turkish peoples views on divorce are...Im a young English woman who is married to a 24 year old Turkish man..we have been together 5 years married 3 and half years and have a young child together. We met in the Uk and were very happy until recently we started to have a few arguments over the amount of time he was spending away from home..and for the fact he booked a holiday to go to turkey to see his family without taking me and our child..I was not happy about this and told him that if he went it would hurt me so much because he had not included me in his plans..however he went not for the week that he told me but for almost 3 weeks..he didnt ring once whilst he was there..when he finally arrived back in england he told me our marriage was over..since then he hasnt been home ..and is going to see a solicitor to divorce I am very confused and would just like to know what turkish peoples views on divorce are. Thank you
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:22 am |
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i am not turkish and i have no idea about it , but i hope u will work this out without getting divorce at least for your little angel. good luck.
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:37 am |
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Yes I also would like to know their views on this too and do PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US on this matter!
Well of course I'am not turkish either, but I had a very similar experience as you did!
My ex-husband did the same and we knew each other for more then 3 yrs before we married too and lived in the USA after marriage for 2 yrs, after a while he also said he wanted to go back home to visit his mom and friends. He said he be back within a month, but instead stayed out there for 4 months!!! Of course we started to also have problems when he got back and after an arguement one night he admitted to having an affair with some turkish woman he met through one of his 'so called friends' whom had introduced them knowing he was married because he knew that this woman liked him! He friends were also the problem, they encouraged him to fool around since 'the wife is not around and so far away!'
Now I don't want anyone here giving me their 2 cents on how 'not all turkish men are like this' but until you have been in my shoes I don't want to hear anyone tell me different about how I should feel about turkish men!!!
Seem to me that marrying and divorcing a foreign woman comes SO EASILY to them then it would be if they were married to a turkish woman, of course that would be a whole different matter! 
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:41 am |
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Exactly these last few months we have been apart ..I have tried my best to explain to his family just how much i love him and care for him but not once did they ever reply to me i cant help but thinkin that they would have something to say if i was a turkish girl..im absoloutely devastated by what he has done to me and our child and to him a divorce is nothing he just doesnt care at all
I have also found that his male cousins whom he works worth also have an impact on his behaviour since he started working with them his attitude towards me changed
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:50 am |
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I wonder what the other side's story might be.
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:56 am |
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well exactly..i would love to know that aswell just the fact that he says he doent want to be with me any longer
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10 May 2007 Thu 02:40 am |
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I just wonder why almost every case like that happen when they married in another country.... then they go back home....
I am not turkish and I am not judding turkish men.... I am just talking about what happen in Brazil... many arabic men get married over there and after having all their "papers" they decide to go back their country and marry somebody from there... or maybe not marry...
Religion is another conflict in cases like that.... Some families are always asking for a man to marry somebody with same religion...
and finally, in my opinion, some men and it doesn't deppend on where they are from, just don't have enough personality and when they got back to their families they get involved and decide to do what they say....
I hope everybody can understand my opinion...
I am just talking about what I have seen...
but as somebody said before, it's always fair to know the other side...
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:12 am |
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:17 am |
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hahahahah thanks for the reply but the posts from a year ago are not discussing the same person its other peope im glad to say
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:19 am |
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Quoting kgaff76: I am turkish male, I think divorce very sad for everyone involved. To I think your husband maybe is sad bout some of the things you did say before on him, like about how he showed you so much hate and you really loved somebody other than him.
Maybe you should not have said thise kind things bout him and he would not be getting divorce.
You act like sad poor girl now, but you saying one year and two years ago you wish you are not with him.
Your main question though is what about divorcing, I think marriage is work he should be trying also, but we do not know his reason and he must have some. Maybe because you said you had a true love before and left him for an idiot (your husband). Maybe he reads these kind things? I will hate my wife if she is saying it about me like that. :-S |
erm...where did she say that she loved someboday other than her husband??
how do you know this?
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:23 am |
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:24 am |
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I didnt thats my point ..i think hes referring to a topic that was headed my story which was not me ..but was the story of a friend oh well people make mistakes
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10 May 2007 Thu 04:34 am |
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Quoting cat_leo: My ex-husband did the same and we knew each other for more then 3 yrs before we married too and lived in the USA after marriage for 2 yrs, after a while he also said he wanted to go back home to visit his mom and friends. He said he be back within a month, but instead stayed out there for 4 months!!! Of course we started to also have problems when he got back and after an arguement one night he admitted to having an affair with some turkish woman he met through one of his 'so called friends' whom had introduced them knowing he was married because he knew that this woman liked him! He friends were also the problem, they encouraged him to fool around since 'the wife is not around and so far away!' |
I am wondering, if you don't mind to share... did you live by "western" standards with your husband? Was he an educated man? Did he come from an open-minded family? Looking at the relationships in retrospect, do you see warning signs that you should have taken more seriously? What's your explanation of the events? Thank you...
Quoting cat_leo: Now I don't want anyone here giving me their 2 cents on how 'not all turkish men are like this' but until you have been in my shoes I don't want to hear anyone tell me different about how I should feel about turkish men!!! |
Thanks so much for saying this! I feel like most people here just refuse to hear this!
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10 May 2007 Thu 06:21 am |
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This is a good case to show why not to trust the guys easily!
Quoting tommysbar: Hi I was just wondering what Turkish peoples views on divorce are...Im a young English woman who is married to a 24 year old Turkish man..we have been together 5 years married 3 and half years and have a young child together. We met in the Uk and were very happy until recently we started to have a few arguments over the amount of time he was spending away from home..and for the fact he booked a holiday to go to turkey to see his family without taking me and our child..I was not happy about this and told him that if he went it would hurt me so much because he had not included me in his plans..however he went not for the week that he told me but for almost 3 weeks..he didnt ring once whilst he was there..when he finally arrived back in england he told me our marriage was over..since then he hasnt been home ..and is going to see a solicitor to divorce I am very confused and would just like to know what turkish peoples views on divorce are. Thank you |
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:43 am |
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he comes from a small village not educated..we lived in england for 5 years together..
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:45 pm |
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The first thing that strikes me about this man is how young he was to be in a serious relationship, married and with a child. No excuse for him running off. But as already mentioned, there are always two sides to a story and I would guess he felt trapped and could not express himself in English to explain.
But as I have said in other threads, if I was in his position and knew you were putting your story here for everyone to read, then I would have left too.
I personally think this is something that you have to find a way of sorting out without using this as a translation service for all your problems. And I dont mean that to be cruel and I dont know what other methods of communication you are using.
Have you tried to visit him in Turkey since he left? It is something I would have gone out of my to do.
There is no answer here I am afraid, but the anwser only lies with the two of you.
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10 May 2007 Thu 12:47 pm |
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Quoting tommysbar: he comes from a small village not educated..we lived in england for 5 years together.. |
I'm sorry I don't think that what he did was right but I have some ideas/theories on why it might have happened.
If he's from a small village then his family/friends may have a lot more influence on him (to do things or to find a turkish woman etc.) Or maybe the way you act and your attitude is not in line with how the turkish women act in the small village. Maybe those turkish women are more conservative and less opinionated or vocal? Again I'm speculating...but it sounds like those could be some of the reasons. Is he happy in the UK, if not, then he might want to go back?
I think the only way to find out for sure why he wants a divorce is to go straight to the source and ASK HIM. Good luck and I hope things work out for you.
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:16 pm |
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Quoting cat_leo: Now I don't want anyone here giving me their 2 cents on how 'not all turkish men are like this' but until you have been in my shoes I don't want to hear anyone tell me different about how I should feel about turkish men!!! |
Quoting catwoman: Thanks so much for saying this! I feel like most people here just refuse to hear this! |
It seems they are the remarks of a person who sounds s/he has failed to succeed in going beyond the early cognitive developmental stages which fall into the age of 0-3. In developmental and learning psychology generalization is prior to distinction.
A kid aged 0-3 thinks any person wearing a white coat is bad and s/he is afraid of any person in a white coat as s/he has had experience of an injection before.
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:31 pm |
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Hi libra lady thanks for your reply as i have stated in earlier posts the thread that goes back to 2005 ..is not about me and my husband ...sadly its a story of friends life which we both decided to post she left her husband a while ago.. again sadly there are so many women in my situation..I agree its right to hear both sides of the story but I can obviously only put my view across..Yes he is young but I am even younger..I didnt run away from my responsibilities and I dont think to say he maybe felt trapped condones anything..If he was old enough to have a child and get married then I think he should be mature enough to stay commited. It seems to me as soon as he got the visa he desperately needed and as soon as he had the chance to go back to see his family ..I was of no importance to him basically I had served my purpose.You obviously havent read my thread correctly as he is not in Turkey.... As for not being able to express himself ...well we could look at that from my side aswell..I use the tranlation service because it is a very good service and helps me a lot ...If people dont want to translate my threads then that is fine but I am very appreciative for everybodys help...I think I would be in a far worse situation if I hadnt been able to use this translation service.Im not trying to say he is a monster I just cant understand why he would want to break up a happy family .
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10 May 2007 Thu 01:50 pm |
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I stand corrected.
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10 May 2007 Thu 02:50 pm |
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sure divorce is very sad,but its sometime a good fix to don't make worse to things.and marriage really very hard company unless you don't find ur other half (soul mate),and pity most of people make mistake while deciding to marriage,especially when the both sides have big cultural differences..
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10 May 2007 Thu 02:57 pm |
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May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum??
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:07 pm |
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Quoting libralady: May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum?? |
Good question libralady. lol! Surely there must be a more appropriate place to post this type of thread.
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:10 pm |
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Quoting Peace: Quoting libralady: May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum?? |
Good question libralady. lol! Surely there must be a more appropriate place to post this type of thread. |
Uhmmm! Now there's a thought  
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:23 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting Peace: Quoting libralady: May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum?? |
Good question libralady. lol! Surely there must be a more appropriate place to post this type of thread. |
Uhmmm! Now there's a thought |
Perhaps she should try the General/Off-topic section next time.  
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10 May 2007 Thu 03:59 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: It seems they are the remarks of a person who sounds s/he has failed to succeed in going beyond the early cognitive developmental stages which fall into the age of 0-3. In developmental and learning psychology generalization is prior to distinction.
A kid aged 0-3 thinks any person wearing a white coat is bad and s/he is afraid of any person in a white coat as s/he has had experience of an injection before. |
Thank you qdemir, I appreciate your skill with distinction  . Would it prove to you that I am 3.5 if I say that YOU are probably NOT a jerk, even though you're a Turk?
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10 May 2007 Thu 06:15 pm |
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Quoting Peace: Quoting libralady: May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum?? |
Good question libralady. lol! Surely there must be a more appropriate place to post this type of thread. |
...I can think of one or two 
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10 May 2007 Thu 06:51 pm |
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Quoting reBooped: ...I can think of one or two |
seni seni... 
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10 May 2007 Thu 08:01 pm |
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Libralady yes I posted it in translations this was obviously a mistake Im sorry if me opening this thread as miffed anyone but it was a genuine mistake ..I dont think there is any need for such pettiness..It was just a genereal topic on turkish peoples views on divorce dont understand why people have to be so nasty .
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10 May 2007 Thu 08:39 pm |
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Ya guys you are not being very nice.
tommysbar I have been "following" your story here on the forum and I'm really sorry for your situation. I simply don't understand why he won't tell you about his problems. Do you have any contact with him now?
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:28 pm |
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In fact, in Turkey the divorce rate is very low, very very low like %5 of all marriages. This is really low compared to western countries. The turkish people are not into divorce. When they create a family, they want to keep it as far as it goes, sometimes even it goes bad.
Turkish men do not like to divorce, some of them even cheat but keep their marrigae. Especially, if they have a child.
I have the impresiion that (maybe wrong) the divorces with foreign women are much more frequant. The reason could be the different cultures.I think turks are strongly attached to their culture. maybe religion have an effect, but I guess not that much because turkish people prefer marrying someone from their own culture rather than their own religion. In foreign countries, turks tend to live together rather than mixing into the society. And for the turks, the opinion of their parents, or other family elders are quite important. A mother or father that do not like the bride can have a big influence on the man. In your case, I guess, the family has had a big influence on him, and he might have missed his country and culture a lot, and even if he loves you, he might have wanted to start over his life this time marrying a turkish girl which he thinks and his cultural senses say he should do.
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:50 pm |
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Quoting mltm: The turkish people are not into divorce. |
I think it's not about "not being into divorce", but about being afraid of being blamed by society.
Quoting mltm: When they create a family, they want to keep it as far as it goes, sometimes even it goes bad.
Turkish men do not like to divorce, some of them even cheat but keep their marrigae. Especially, if they have a child. |
So much for hypocrisy.. :-S
What would you prefer? Getting out of an unhappy, hypocritical marriage and giving yourself a chance to start over again, or keeping up appearances, pretending you're happily married but feeling all miserable inside, trying to ignore the fact that your husband is cheating on you and that your marriage has failed a long time ago?
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:50 pm |
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Quoting catwoman:
Quoting cat_leo: Now I don't want anyone here giving me their 2 cents on how 'not all turkish men are like this' but until you have been in my shoes I don't want to hear anyone tell me different about how I should feel about turkish men!!! |
Thanks so much for saying this! I feel like most people here just refuse to hear this! |
It looks like you totally agree with this? She's right to think like that, because she has had a bad experience and thinks very emotionally, but how do you agree this? She says "all turkish men", and you agree. Maybe, you've had such an experience? But I thought, you were someone who hated generalizations, but you're again very prejudiced.
Forexample my father is 100% turkish but he's been married with my mother who is 100% french for 30 years, and they have never had a big quarrel. And I know others as well.
The problem is foreign women are more likely to fall on the wrong type of turkish men, and as I explained in my previous post, they tend to be with turkish girls, but "not always", and usually the men who have not grown in a urban life and in an urban culture are likely to put cultural preferences and family and friends opinions prior to pure love.
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:57 pm |
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Quoting libralady: The first thing that strikes me about this man is how young he was to be in a serious relationship, married and with a child. |
Exactly!
As we think that men get mature after their 25s and even 30s, it's really a very early age to get married. marriage is a big decision about your life. We cannot blame one marrying so early, but I think in this case, his age has had also a big impact on his changing behaviour. He is such a young man, and I think he wants to start everything over!
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10 May 2007 Thu 11:57 pm |
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Quoting libralady: May I just ask, why is this thread in the Translation Forum?? |
Where does it show that this thread is in the Translation Forum when it is clearly showing it's under the General/Off-topic Forum??? :-S
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:03 am |
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Quoting cat_leo:
Where does it show that this thread is in the Translation Forum when it is clearly showing it's under the General/Off-topic Forum??? :-S |
A moderator must have put it in the right place
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:46 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting catwoman:
Quoting cat_leo: Now I don't want anyone here giving me their 2 cents on how 'not all turkish men are like this' but until you have been in my shoes I don't want to hear anyone tell me different about how I should feel about turkish men!!! |
Thanks so much for saying this! I feel like most people here just refuse to hear this! |
It looks like you totally agree with this? She's right to think like that, because she has had a bad experience and thinks very emotionally, but how do you agree this? She says 'all turkish men', and you agree. Maybe, you've had such an experience? But I thought, you were someone who hated generalizations, but you're again very prejudiced.
Forexample my father is 100% turkish but he's been married with my mother who is 100% french for 30 years, and they have never had a big quarrel. And I know others as well.
The problem is foreign women are more likely to fall on the wrong type of turkish men, and as I explained in my previous post, they tend to be with turkish girls, but 'not always', and usually the men who have not grown in a urban life and in an urban culture are likely to put cultural preferences and family and friends opinions prior to pure love. |
Actually I have alot more experience about them then you realized. Just because your mother happens to be one of the few lucky ones to have marry 'Mr. Wonderful' doesn't mean that they all are. I have yet also to believe that they have never once quarrel in their 30 yrs of marriage when there is no one such perfect marriage in the world, surely they must have had a big quarrel at one time or another.
I have known too many women that were once married to turkish men and believe me, TOO MANY! Most of their stories are basically the same as the women on this web site whose husbands also had cheated on them and finally left them without much of an explaination.
Eventually these men will leave the foreign wives for a turkish one or in another case that I know about where he is already married to a turkish woman and will leave the foreign woman for whom he had used in some ways for his own personal gratification.
As for my ex-husband, he is 40 yrs old, a university graduate, a business man and had traveled to other parts of the world and he had 'grown up in a urban life and in an urban culture', so none of these qualifications made any difference.
Sure, I may sound bitter but unless you been in my shoes I wouldn't say much. Though I would love to hear what would you do in this case if it was you whose husband has left her with no explaination? Because truth is I hardly think that any women here is strong enough to say that it would not affect her at all emotionally!
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:49 am |
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Quoting mltm: In fact, in Turkey the divorce rate is very low, very very low like %5 of all marriages. |
Yeah! How could you expect the opposite while a good number of women in Turkey don't even know where to divorce (in courts, for example?) and a great deal of women can't even dare to divorce?
Quoting mltm: This is really low compared to western countries. |
What a pity! Because at least those women in Western countries doesn't have to spend the rest of their life with their husbands with whom they can't live together.
Quoting mltm: I have the impresiion that (maybe wrong) the divorces with foreign women are much more frequant. |
Maybe. But even this would be partly because the western woman, when inevitable or necessary, could easily divorce her Turkish husband.
Quoting mltm: And for the turks, the opinion of their parents, or other family elders are quite important. A mother or father that do not like the bride can have a big influence on the man. In your case, I guess, the family has had a big influence on him, |
Has his family been at the holiday for about 3 years? Where has their influence on him been, from the beginning to now?
Quoting mltm: and he might have missed his country and culture a lot, |
While marrying, he certainly didn't go to the country for the purpose "holiday" or "working", did he? You know, for example, the Turkish workers in Germany, miss Turkey a lot and sometimes comes to Turkey.
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:53 am |
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Quoting mltm: Turkish men do not like to divorce, some of them even cheat but keep their marrigae. |
Perfect, you just forgot to add "cheat and beat their wifes".
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:57 am |
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Quoting panta rei: Quoting mltm: In fact, in Turkey the divorce rate is very low, very very low like %5 of all marriages. |
Yeah! How could you expect the opposite while a good number of women in Turkey don't even know where to divorce (in courts, for example?) and a great deal of women can't even dare to divorce?
Quoting mltm: This is really low compared to western countries. |
What a pity! Because at least those women in Western countries doesn't have to spend the rest of their life with their husbands with whom they can't live together.
Quoting mltm: I have the impresiion that (maybe wrong) the divorces with foreign women are much more frequant. |
Maybe. But even this would be partly because the western woman, when inevitable or necessary, could easily divorce her Turkish husband.
Quoting mltm: And for the turks, the opinion of their parents, or other family elders are quite important. A mother or father that do not like the bride can have a big influence on the man. In your case, I guess, the family has had a big influence on him, |
Has his family been at the holiday for about 3 years? Where has their influence on him been, from the beginning to now?
Quoting mltm: and he might have missed his country and culture a lot, |
While marrying, he certainly didn't go to the country for the purpose "holiday" or "working", did he? You know, for example, the Turkish workers in Germany, miss Turkey a lot and sometimes comes to Turkey. |
panta rei, you indeed are a man ahead of your times! 
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11 May 2007 Fri 12:59 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting qdemir: It seems they are the remarks of a person who sounds s/he has failed to succeed in going beyond the early cognitive developmental stages which fall into the age of 0-3. In developmental and learning psychology generalization is prior to distinction.
A kid aged 0-3 thinks any person wearing a white coat is bad and s/he is afraid of any person in a white coat as s/he has had experience of an injection before. |
Thank you qdemir, I appreciate your skill with distinction . Would it prove to you that I am 3.5 if I say that YOU are probably NOT a jerk, even though you're a Turk? |
catwoman, you never ever sound so much tolerant as intolerant, when other people on here critisize you. I won't insult you the way you have done above. If I reply you just like you have done there will not be a distinction between you and me.
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:04 am |
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Quoting qdemir: catwoman, you never ever sound so much tolerant as intolerant, when other people on here critisize you. I won't insult you the way you have done above. If I reply you just like you have done there will not be a distinction between you and me. |
what can I say, you have the right for your own opinion, but.. are you sure you read your previous post?? I thought I was just following your drift .
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:13 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting qdemir: catwoman, you never ever sound so much tolerant as intolerant, when other people on here critisize you. I won't insult you the way you have done above. If I reply you just like you have done there will not be a distinction between you and me. |
what can I say, you have the right for your own opinion, but.. are you sure you read your previous post?? I thought I was just following your drift . |
You have a vast number of such posts. If any other user had resorted the language you are always doing on any thread, that thread would have been already locked, and most likely s/he would have been in the list of deleted users. Being a mod on a site that has been built on behalf of you doesn't make the site your playground.
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:24 am |
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Quoting tommysbar: Hi I was just wondering what Turkish peoples views on divorce are...Im a young English woman who is married to a 24 year old Turkish man..we have been together 5 years married 3 and half years and have a young child together. We met in the Uk and were very happy until recently we started to have a few arguments over the amount of time he was spending away from home..and for the fact he booked a holiday to go to turkey to see his family without taking me and our child..I was not happy about this and told him that if he went it would hurt me so much because he had not included me in his plans..however he went not for the week that he told me but for almost 3 weeks..he didnt ring once whilst he was there..when he finally arrived back in england he told me our marriage was over..since then he hasnt been home ..and is going to see a solicitor to divorce I am very confused and would just like to know what turkish peoples views on divorce are. Thank you |
This reminds me of 'Umut Adasi' (a turkish movie about turkish immigrants in the UK. A good movie btw.)
Maybe, just like in the movie, there is a woman from his past (in Turkey), that he can't forget, since he didn't want to take you there in the first place.I don't think its just his families influence on him.
Sad really, especially when a child is there.
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:45 am |
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Quoting qdemir: You have a vast number of such posts. If any other user had resorted the language you are always doing on any thread, that thread would have been already locked, and most likely s/he would have been in the list of deleted users. Being a mod on a site that has been built on behalf of you doesn't make the site your playground. |
I found your previous post offensive and intolerant as well qdemir! I'm not even going to respond to your other accusations and attacks because they are completely hateful and ridiculous. Because I agree with cat_leo about turkish men, that makes me intolerant or a 3 year old? Please, look in the mirror before you preach!
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:48 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting mltm: Turkish men do not like to divorce, some of them even cheat but keep their marrigae. |
Perfect, you just forgot to add "cheat and beat their wifes". |
I'm fed up with your remarks about turks beating their wives. If someone listened to just your views about turkish men (ah, I forgot in fact according to you every muslim man beats his wife), she would think they were beasts. Yes, there're men (I call them bears) who beat their wives, and it's more than the europe but the majority does not!I just wrote "some" but as we all know your views about turks, we can change it to "all" in your case.
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11 May 2007 Fri 01:56 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting qdemir: You have a vast number of such posts. If any other user had resorted the language you are always doing on any thread, that thread would have been already locked, and most likely s/he would have been in the list of deleted users. Being a mod on a site that has been built on behalf of you doesn't make the site your playground. |
I found your previous post offensive and intolerant as well qdemir! I'm not even going to respond to your other accusations and attacks because they are completely hateful and ridiculous. Because I agree with cat_leo about turkish men, that makes me intolerant or a 3 year old? Please, look in the mirror before you preach! |
I don't intend to push this unpleasant argument further, and spend my time in vain either. Both your and my posts are available on the site to the third parties who would like to see.
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11 May 2007 Fri 05:23 am |
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Quoting qdemir: I don't intend to push this unpleasant argument further, and spend my time in vain either. |
Thank you, I'm glad!
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11 May 2007 Fri 05:46 am |
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Quoting mltm: I'm fed up with your remarks about turks beating their wives. If someone listened to just your views about turkish men (ah, I forgot in fact according to you every muslim man beats his wife), she would think they were beasts. Yes, there're men (I call them bears) who beat their wives, and it's more than the europe but the majority does not!I just wrote "some" but as we all know your views about turks, we can change it to "all" in your case. |
That makes it even, because I'm fed up with your hypocritic views and unchecked ideas as well!
Look mltm, I am speaking up for the men that are discriminated against on this web site, because everybody is only noticing the wonderful, loving Turkish men, but nobody cares at all that not all Turkish men are so wonderful or loving and people don't even care that such men exist! Even worse, some people once in a while make generalizations that ALL Turkish men are loving and wonderful! That is so terrible, I can't imagine how those not-so-wonderful men must feel about this! Somebody has to speak up for them!
There is another thing I'm wondering about... you posted a great article with statistics about abuse against women in the EU and you showed how prevalent and pervasive it is (which I agree with) and now you quietly acknowledged that it's even worse in Turkey (which I also agree with), then it sounds logical if you could change that "some" for me and make it "a lot" or "most". Don't be so shocked about it, this is the truth.
And I am not against Islam whatsoever, but against certain behavior. I know some muslims that are the kind of people I deeply admire, but they would never argue that women are less of humans then men or sit quiet when there is abuse.
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11 May 2007 Fri 10:38 am |
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I think the water has been wrung out of all the wet clothes until the clothes have ripped 
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