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40.       gezbelle
1542 posts
 29 May 2007 Tue 10:24 am

i didn't read all posts here, but i found this on a my space turkish group i am part of:

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=35666329&groupID=100008417&adTopicID=8&Mytoken=4701CED8-0B9E-43D2-9161C86EEF8F9EE047365689

"In Turkish we spell it 'Meluncan', pronounced as 'Melun-john', it means "cursed/damned soul". I know a bit about them, not too much though. The Melungeon are actually a mixture of Turkish, Portugese, English, Morrocans, East Indians, Arabs, Native American and a few other grouips which I forgot. But the main people in this mixture are Turkish, Native American, Arab and Portugese. They came over as slaves by the English, I used to know the king's or captain's name which I forgot too. After a while they weren't needed anymore, I don't know why but I'll guess it's because they were spared while the Africans took their place, for a much longer and tougher era of slavery. After this these people stayed mainly along the Appalachian Mts. and mixed with eachother. They've always been outcasts from the White or European society so they kind of formed their own culture. A lot of this culture, which you can see in the music and food, is mostly influenced by Turks and Native Americas (who also still held on to their ancient proto-Turk culture and included it into the Melungeon culture). There's a theory that Abraham Lincoln and Elvis Presley were Melungeon too. A lot of Melungeon still live in their own communities, usually isolated from American society, in the mountains. As far as I know those Melungeon don't approve of marrying non-Melungeons. I've heard that Turkey and some schools in states that have a Melungeon population offer student exchange programs for Melungeon students and Turkish students. If you drive into a certain town, I forgot the name of it but you'll see it in the link I provide here, you'll see a Turkish flag on the town's welcoming sign calling it a sister city of Turkey, and the same in Turkey, I think they even named a bridge, a street or a park after this city too. Well here's a good link and a couple links for some books you can check out. I know Amazon.com has many books on Melungeons, they're becoming more known and becoming a popular topic for researchers and writers lately."

http://www.melungeons.com/articles/legacy2cities.htm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570720630/ref=pe_606_2499380_pe_ar_A2FCB41IFJHMZWd11570720630/104-7716341-9196750?n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865545162/sr=8-1/qid=1150764520/ref=sr_1_1/104-7716341-9196750?%5Fencoding=UTF8

41.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 07:28 am

It is true that every culture had been affected from eachother. As a religionic concept human being all came from Adam and Eve so we can say there was only one language and religion at first. Can we know what language was that? No. And we can see lots of similarities in religions throughout the history. For example you can see similar stories in Sumers like Noah flood or you can see similar trinity concept in ancient religions as we know one of the Gospel writer Pavlus was also a pagan at first or you can see lots of similarities between ancient Egyptian religion and ancient any other religion etc. So In religionic concept one can interpret SFS’s idea like; maybe this only shows that God always sent messengers to the people(civilisations) and people corrupted the God’s religion so God continued to send messengers till Muhammed(view of a muslim maybe). But you only see many similarities between ancient Turanian religion and CULTURE(mixture of them) and religion and the CULTURE of American Natives rather than other cultures or religions such as Buddism, Hinduism,Zoroastrism etc(Again in view of Islam all of them are corrupted religions but all of them from same God, but the culture of civilisations were different , sure they have to be some common things.). So surely every culture maybe had taken some things from other cultures and every culture evolves but this does not mean cultures change into another culture if there is not an assimilation.

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

Greeks were traveling to Hades, and other religions were traveling to their gods, in Islam Mohamed had a travel to God, Moses and Jesus traveled to or talked with God, still in Christianity Fathers are the link between God and human beings, they can talk with God.(Correct me if I am wrong here, and I don't want to start a discussion about religions, in the way of which one is right or which one is wrong.)



If you look at these events through Quranic window, you can see these are impossible. Quran does not mention anything about the travel to God. Actually according to the view of Quran no vision can grasp Allah. But other religions or historical writings possibly mentions.

Quoting SunFlowerSeed:

In the light of above explanations(IMHO), If I follow the hypothesis, I may say that we(Turks) started at Africa -> Mesopotamia -> Asia -> America.
But, what I believe is there is not enough proof to prove that American Natives are Turks. There are so many similarities around the world preventing us to find SAMENESS between both cultures.



Supposedly you contradict yourself here, you say people started at Africa(you have enough proof for these ?? Genetics??) but you say there is not enough proof that American Natives are Turks(remember Genetics??). Also You cannot know hows the continents at the beginning.

42.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 08:43 am

I thought the topic was dead, since the starter is not saying anything anymore.

Quote:

Quoting Me:


My point is traveling to or talking with god is an important point in all religions, therefore it may not be a good basis to base a study.


Miraç ?

Quoting Armegon:

If you look at these events through Quranic window, you can see these are impossible. Quran does not mention anything about the travel to God. Actually according to the view of Quran no vision can grasp Allah. But other religions or historical writings possibly mentions.


Also Jesus is not dead, he is waiting in the heaven with God for the day of his return.
And Moses talked to God in person on a mountain that I couldn't remember now.

I meant the similarities between nowadays and ancient religions. And again no offense on any religion.



Quote:

Quoting Armegon:

And it says it has shown that American Natives have affinity to the Middle Siberian people.


Quoting KeithL:

If you compare DNA, we all come from Africa, originally...


Quoting Me:

In the light of above explanations(IMHO), If I follow the hypothesis, I may say that we(Turks) started at Africa -> Mesopotamia -> Asia -> America.


Quoting Me:

Since I am not into genetics or similar sciences, I can't say anything about it.



Quoting Armegon:

Also You cannot know hows the continents at the beginning.


+1
This is the thing I was trying to say.
EDIT: I mean we are discussing on something that had happened very very long time ago.

43.       armegon
1872 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 09:14 am

Quote:

Quoting Me:


My point is traveling to or talking with god is an important point in all religions, therefore it may not be a good basis to base a study.


Miraç ?

Quoting Armegon:

If you look at these events through Quranic window, you can see these are impossible. Quran does not mention anything about the travel to God. Actually according to the view of Quran no vision can grasp Allah. But other religions or historical writings possibly mentions.


Also Jesus is not dead, he is waiting in the heaven with God for the day of his return.
And Moses talked to God in person on a mountain that I couldn't remember now.
I meant the similarities between nowadays and ancient religions. And again no offense on any religion.



I said Quranic, you cant find a verse mentioning Mirac in Quran and traveling Muhammed to God or seeing God... I said vision of God... Also according to Quran Jesus is dead also...
I think this topic will return into religionic debate...

44.       SunFlowerSeed
841 posts
 02 Jun 2007 Sat 09:24 am

You are right Armegon. Let's not move the topic into another direction.


It is better we stop on talking religious things.

I wonder where the starter of the topic went. :-S

45.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 04:05 am

Ancient panentheism

North American Indians were and still are largely panentheistic, conceiving of God as both immanent in Creation and transcendent from it. (Indian writers have also translated the word for God as the Great Mystery  or as the Sacred Other. An exception is the  Cherokee who were monotheistic. Most South American peoples were largely panentheistic as well (as were ancient South East Asian and African cultures).The Central American empires of the Mayas, Aztecs as well as the South American Incans(Tahuatinsuyu) were actually polytheistic and had very strong male deities.

46.       Shaylynn
80 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 04:25 am

here is one site you may find useful, it mentions Native American Indians who they think are related to Turkish people.

 

http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/0008/0008_17.htm

47.       Bandida
2 posts
 16 Aug 2008 Sat 05:03 am

 

Quoting lovebug

I love that Korshad said all humans were related, only difference was timming. I believe this. I wish more people would study other cultures, and they would see so many similarities. This is why I love travel, cultures, and languages. It shows you that in some way, no matter how small, there are similarties that connect us.

 

 I absolutely agree.  People cling on to "I´m this" and "You´re that", but when you really go in depth of who we are, we are all the same people.  Humanity has moved around so much, and have called home a place away from their original home, that somehow, some way, we are all related.

48.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 17 Oct 2008 Fri 05:24 pm

Shaylynn, your link is very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

49.       Shaylynn
80 posts
 18 Oct 2008 Sat 04:40 am

I´m glad you liked it. You´re welcome

50.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 20 Jun 2010 Sun 02:42 pm

There was an international symposium in İstanbul last week.

The scientists have strengthened that the American Natives were Turks.



Edited (6/20/2010) by yilgun-2010

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