Sure not, they´re not even likely to apply - what´s the point It was just an example of non-Muslim European country that needs visas to enter EU

 

Out for those who applied - Serbia, Macedonia nad Montenegro got visa free entry and Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo didn´t - the reason given was not coming up to EU standards in therm of border control for example, but I also read they might be given visa-free passes this year (not Kosovo of course ).

 

 

we are talking about EU´s discrimination and hypocracy over some countries, understood?

 

 

 

Well, I happen to know people who escaped Turkey for army duty. There are certain areas in which the illegals are heavily represented. Most of them have problems with their identity as Turkish Kurd, and the army duty. It doesn´t need a lot of work to escape Turkey, if you are willing to bribe some people to get a university registration.

 

 

Sir, yes, sir!

 

But I still believe EU had its reasons not to do away with visas for these countries (and a mockery of a country)

 

 

I know such people too. And no, they´re not Kurdish. 

 

Fast growing economy? with millions of unemployed people. How is it possible? I agree Turkey has got many resources but all gifted to foreign enterprices or cannot be used. Nothing left to be sold but Turkey´s debt reached to a record.

 

 

 

 The easiest way to get permission for living in a country is political asylum, and they use kurdish card and PKK terrorism. University registration is not free no one gives you money to registre a university. most of the community organisations work for to help terrorists. and it was proved that terrorist groups are mostly supported from Europe (From these organisations), they send money or help terrorists to escape europe.

 

 

 I am comparing here, turkey and EU economies, do you think  there are not unemployed people in EU even in France, Germany, Spain, Greece. what about poland, Slovakia or romania?

they are not better than turkey, even our goverment has sold many resources to foreigners.

 

EU has lost its charm and attractiveness, and they dont have anything to give turkey maybe they can get many things from Turkey.

 

 

 

PKK is a forbidden organization in Holland. You can not get asylum in Holland for being a Turkish Kurd, and if you say "Hi, I´m with the PKK" they will put your behind in jail. Only if the Turkish government would try to silence you by putting you into jail, when you are NOT a member of an illegal organization and have done nothing wrong, then you could get asylum.

What I ment with bribing is this. Let´s say you´re an uneducated guy, wanted to flee Turkey. You make sure you have a buddy in the registration office of the university. He makes some false papers (for a bunch of money) and wham, you can go to the Dutch embassy, with ´proof´ that you are a student. I didn´t say anybody gives the student money to register. I just said that you can bribe people to give you student papers, even when you are not a student.

I personally know of a Kurdish guy who did this, and got his visa papers very easily with some falls papers. So THERE!

 

And I know that not all people who are dodging army duty are Kurds I´m just speaking of some personal experiences.

 

 

Hmm ok then, i was only talking about Turkey that interests me much, possibly i was sticked to the statement "fast growing economy" part just because i havent heard about healthy fast growing economy without production and fabrication rather than foreign money yet...

 

 

 of course PKK is forbidden, but on paper, they do their work with different names. Most of the kurdish organisations are supporting terrorism in europe. you can see what they work for in your country when terrorist leader in jail had "flu" or "fever".

you are generalizing individual events. you can not make a conclusion, if one person got visa with illegal papers, there are thousands of illegal immigrants, do they all prepared fake papers. if it would so, they would understand that these universities dont have too many turkish students, it would take attention.

if you are turkish citizen you have to do army duty, even if you live in europe. if you work in a foreign country at least 2 years you got a right that u do army duty only 1 month. or in turkey if you are student in a university u can delay ur army-duty for long times. they dont take anyone to army immediately. I havent heard anyone who wanted to escape europe coz of army duty. Ppl just want to go europe for earning much more money, and come back when they had enough money.