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170.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:52 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 of course PKK is forbidden, but on paper, they do their work with different names. Most of the kurdish organisations are supporting terrorism in europe. you can see what they work for in your country when terrorist leader in jail had "flu" or "fever".

you are generalizing individual events. you can not make a conclusion, if one person got visa with illegal papers, there are thousands of illegal immigrants, do they all prepared fake papers. if it would so, they would understand that these universities dont have too many turkish students, it would take attention.

if you are turkish citizen you have to do army duty, even if you live in europe. if you work in a foreign country at least 2 years you got a right that u do army duty only 1 month. or in turkey if you are student in a university u can delay ur army-duty for long times. they dont take anyone to army immediately. I havent heard anyone who wanted to escape europe coz of army duty. Ppl just want to go europe for earning much more money, and come back when they had enough money.

 

 I´m not talking only about universitiets. I´m using it as an example. A lot of papers are fake in Turkey. And you are telling long stories about none of your personal experiences. I know so many people who escaped for army duty, is this a simple coincidence?

171.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 05:59 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 I´m not talking only about universitiets. I´m using it as an example. A lot of papers are fake in Turkey. And you are telling long stories about none of your personal experiences. I know so many people who escaped for army duty, is this a simple coincidence?

 

 I dont know how many experiences you had but I live in turkey and have many turkish friends who live in europe. I havent heard even one example as u mentioned. if you count all turkish students in your country came there due to army duty in turkey, it is again a generalization.

172.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 06:07 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

  sorry, if i sounded harsh...

 

Not at all, I just thought it´d be funny

173.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 06:09 pm

No, not the students...pfff... I am saying that SOME people who are NOT REALLY students, bribe somebody to get university papers.... there are also people who get fake passports, fake all kinds of stuff I´m not saying that most people in Holland are illegal. Most of them are not, and most of the legal Turkish people here have good jobs.

I was saying that the Turkish people in Holland with dead-end jobs are often illegals. That´s how I came to this example. There was some kind of comment that ´Europe´ only wants people to come for dead-end jobs.

174.       ptaszek
440 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 12:20 am

I will use this thread to ask the question how Turkish people perceive EU.During my last stay in Turkey I had a chance to meet some important officials,majors of towns or heads of educational authorities not to mention some governors.Most of those I met were fascinated with EU and during our talks they brought an issue that i want to repeat here asking for your own opinions.They were saying that they are told about benefits of joining and just of EU.They seemed a bit surprised when I was giving explanation that EU is corrupted,full of bribery and injustice.And that still getting a decent post there means family bounds and pulling the strings.

I asked them why they grew such fascination and they told me they believe EU access would solve many problems as they were told.By whom???Is it general tendency?or just a dream picture painted by EU supporters?

thank you for answers

175.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 01:22 am

Turkey´s EU adventure began decades ago back in the 63 after Turkey signed an agreement. Since then there have always been unkept promises, lots of rescheduling, protests over broken promises etc. Some people in this country, especially the illimunated realize that the EU is nothing more than a device used by governments to make radical changes which would otherwise be a lot more difficult to achieve.

 

If everything proceeded according to the plan, Turkey would have become a member a long time ago. Unfortunately, none of this has ever been materialized. Turkey protested the fact that even former iron curtain countries which had no place in the initial plan have been generously offered European membership.

 

On the part of the European countries, EU membership is a tool for helping create an easier to control Turkey, and on the part of Turkish politicians it is a device for materializing their political desires. For example, Ak parti, played the EU card to open up a so called democratic window in the status quo driven political conjunture which they used to legalize their not-so-democratic ideals and to find a place for them in jurisdiction, justice and execution. They have realized all their objectives under the pretext of achieving compliance with the EU norms.

 

The entire history of Turkey-EU relationship is based on hypocrisy. After years of struggling all that Turkey has so far achieved is customs union which is more beneficial for Europe than it is for Turkey.

 

Turkey has now better options than the EU.



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176.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 01:33 am

i still don´t understand why so many people think EU is smth good... {#emotions_dlg.unsure} we have here (in estonia) 66,6% of total sheep as citizens and that´s why we are in EU now...but those 33,3% with brains still think it´s not good...we "gained" laws and orders as in EU and freedom as in common jail...and now they say in 2011 we will have euro as money here...again - not good...we will have taxes as big as in EU and salaries as little as in estonia...so why so many people still think EU is smth good...? {#emotions_dlg.unsure} EU is real sh**...

177.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 03:55 am

VISA ISSUE and MORE

 
As far as I know visa problems depend on national country policies and dlplomatic solutions.

It is duty of states.

I think that safety should always come first...the country/government should protect its people.
I think TLC member friends are right what they said on this topic.

EU (European Union) of course is an important community.

As you know well the earth is becoming a global world.

China and India are now bocoming new super powers with the GNP (Gross National Product) - Economic growth - increase (% 8 a year)  after USA in the world according to the World Bank and IMF publishments.

There are a big size socio-economic competition in the world.

There is a newly globalization phenomenon on the world.High technology, community culture, values, social structures, micro- economic equilibriums and macro-economic equilibriums are changing very fastly.

Some people say “Some European countries are against Türkiye and its membership.”This is a politic opinion.

But this is not a fact, an important issue, a rational approach. Türkiye has already joined EU in the past.A lot of Turkish families are living in EU.

And everybody knows this historic fact.Türkiye is between the safetiest countries.

I see a lot of people from Asia and Africa are living with their families in the European countries, Australia, USA and Asia.

I see a lot of Turkish people are living with their families in  the European countries like Germany, England, Austria, France, Holland, Switzerland, etc.

Turkish companies are working in Asia, Europe, Australia, Africa and Asia.

There are a large number of immigrants in the world countries.

Many people from England, Germany, Holland, Russia, Greece, etc  are buying their houses in Türkiye.They are having companies in  Türkiye.

Turkish tourists are travelling all over the world.

A lot of tourists from USA, Canada, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Japan, etc  are going to Türkiye.Also the biggest tourist - travel ships.

Many Turkish students are studying at USA, Europe, Asia, etc .

Australia is a newly developing continent.

Latin America is a fastly developing continent.

But as you know well unemployment issue with an unemployment ratio of % 15-20  is a big social problem in the countries.

I see many TLC Turkish members are living with their families in Canada, USA, UK, France, Holland, abroad.

I see many TLC foreign members are living in Türkiye with their families.

I see many TLC foreign members are traveling to Türkiye every time and living in Türkiye with their friends.

There is no ethnic – ethnical approach in the world countries anymore…

I think visa issues will be solved against the illegality and negativeness mutually and legally in a way in  the light of  country security for every country in a short time by EU.

I think visa issues will shape as required mutually in a positive legal model in the light of globalization and national policies everywhere.

 



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178.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 10:26 am

 

Quoting ptaszek

I will use this thread to ask the question how Turkish people perceive EU.During my last stay in Turkey I had a chance to meet some important officials,majors of towns or heads of educational authorities not to mention some governors.Most of those I met were fascinated with EU and during our talks they brought an issue that i want to repeat here asking for your own opinions.They were saying that they are told about benefits of joining and just of EU.They seemed a bit surprised when I was giving explanation that EU is corrupted,full of bribery and injustice.And that still getting a decent post there means family bounds and pulling the strings.

I asked them why they grew such fascination and they told me they believe EU access would solve many problems as they were told.By whom???Is it general tendency?or just a dream picture painted by EU supporters?

thank you for answers

 Politicians in Turkey, trying to  impose EU membership story as a way of economical progress, but almost all intellectuals and most of the public do not believe those things. neither European union nor politicians, even politicians know that membership  is not possible.

European countries are against Turkey´s membership, not only german or France. if every country did a referandum about Turkey´s membership, it would be very clear, Im sure that we would get same results from every european union countries like France and Germany.

The most important question is why Turkey is still a candidate. whey they accepted Turkey as a candidate, even though most important autorities say that Turkey can not be a normal member like Greece, France, Austria etc., but  maybe a specieal member.

Actually, EU is not governt by democracy, Coz decision makers are different. EU has own politics and Turkey is one part of this.

 

 

179.       barkindo
22 posts
 21 Feb 2010 Sun 10:25 am

There are direct flights to Croatia from Turkey, and no need for a transit visa.  however, once Croatia joins the EU, one other country will be closed to Turkish nationals.

180.       barkindo
22 posts
 21 Feb 2010 Sun 10:45 am

 

Quote:yakamozzz

i still don´t understand why so many people think EU is smth good... {#emotions_dlg.unsure} we have here (in estonia) 66,6% of total sheep as citizens and that´s why we are in EU now...but those 33,3% with brains still think it´s not good...we "gained" laws and orders as in EU and freedom as in common jail...and now they say in 2011 we will have euro as money here...again - not good...we will have taxes as big as in EU and salaries as little as in estonia...so why so many people still think EU is smth good...? {#emotions_dlg.unsure} EU is real sh**...

 

 

Most of my Turkish friends have similar issues with EU membership, and are against EU membership.  

However i think humanitarian concerns are important as well.  I have been looking after a young Turkish man with Asperger´s ( a type of autism), who has had a horrendous experience in his country.  He is very fragile, both mentally and physically, but highly intelligent.  In the EU he could perhaps survive and succeed as a student, because of the higher awareness of mental health issues.  But in Turkey, without any money or support, his condition is a slow and agonizing death sentence. 

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