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I hate a belly dance
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:02 am |
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"as you said alameda Belly Dance called Raqs Sharqi or Baladi dance, but in In Egypt men are not dancing belly dance because men dance is not any attraction but particularly for women contents of the attraction, there are dances for men but not bely dance, perhaps I am wrong, Im merely bystanders not an expert of belly dance
Elham, At different times in many cultures from Japan to England women did not appear on stage. Women's roles were done by males.
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:07 am |
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Quoting libralady: I was amazed at the womans agility and strength, and the gracefulness and beauty with stomach muscles to die for. Nothing sleezy about what I saw. Maybe the ones who don't like it are a little jealous and insecure?  |
This is true. Try moving your hips for example the way those (professional) women do without moving your upper body.. You'll see this takes an extreme lot of excercise. If you'd realize this (the OP I mean) you wouldn't have posted this, I'm sure.
You must have watched the "wrong" belly dancing. Or you must be jealous
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:20 am |
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Quoting libralady: The belly dancing I have seen in Turkey was mind boggling! I could not stop watching, I was amazed at the womans agility and strength, and the gracefulness and beauty with stomach muscles to die for. Nothing sleezy about what I saw. |
I agree with this, but I also agree with this:
Quoting SuiGeneris: did you think they were discussing about belly dancing seriously...
the thing they were talking about is about those COMMENTS that you get... yeah there are some critics... but the general about...
hey sexy
let me play and you dance...bla bla...
this is what they are talking about  |
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:22 am |
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Quoting elham: Quoting alameda: The term Belly Dance was it seems, invented by the French, who called it La danse du ventre. In Egypt is was called Raqs Sharqi or Baladi dance. It can or can not be art...then what is Art?
Traditionally "good girls" did not do it in public. In fact in most Middle Eastern societies it is tantamount to being a prostitute or very close to it.
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as you said alameda Belly Dance called Raqs Sharqi or Baladi dance, but in In Egypt men are not dancing belly dance because men dance is not any attraction but particularly for women contents of the attraction |
Actually Elham,men in Egypt do dance Raqs Sharqi,or belly dance,when they want to dance oriental.
Their movments some of them same like women's do,others are different
For that sorts of dances there are no professional men dancers,its simply the way men dance when they want to dance traditional dances.
And they dance Baldi dances too,different from the belly dance with some moves and steps ,and its only for men and they sometimes dance solo and sometimes escort women by it while dancing too
And for that sort of dances on a professional level, there was a well known man dancer called Mahmoud Reda,im sure you've heard of Reda group
And yes,they used to dance in long clothes,and sometimes they still do too.
İts not about attraction,its just traditional dances,its how women and men dance when they want dance sharqi dances,and im not talking about professional levels here.
A professional levels is something else.
Not anyone can belly dance really well,if anyone would try it,would find it not easy and needs lots of flexibility,try it and you will see.
Belly dancing not just showing bodies movments,its how you move your body over the music so if anyone lower the music,you can almost feel it from the dancer movments and steps.
And THAT is an art,not anyone capable of.
And that is why you would find Egyptian belly dance is different than Lebanon's belly dance,different than Turkish belly dance,and so on
Some you would feel they are doing some exercises not dancing,and some are really good.
İ agree there are ,or i may say lots of dancers just dance to gain men's attraction,thats why there are not many good dancers nowadays.
And what they do,i can hardly call it art !
But there were legends in dancing,specially in the past.
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:27 am |
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You know Fem.....I wasn't around in the beginning so I can't tell you....I imagine it had it's ups and downs...I've heard it has healthful benefits, in particular an increase of strength and flexibility in various parts of the body.
As for the relationship between Ballet and the other, it is the fact that women doing any type of performance in just about any part of the world was outside of normal society until recently.
As for men dying of lust, I don't know anything about that. It seems more women have been dying because of men's lust. I think that's why it was prohibited for women to perform in front of them....doing anything.
"wow! how amazing you are! oh, and how clever! thank you for educating us on ballet and its history!
belly dance contra ballet?
"ok, ballet at the beginning wasnt smth widely accepted, and?
how about belly dance? was it accepted in the beginning and then it wasnt? or vice versa? or whatever?
how come ballet have anything to do with stupid belly dance that makes all the men die out of lust?"
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 01:53 am |
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Quoting alameda: As for men dying of lust, I don't know anything about that. It seems more women have been dying because of men's lust. I think that's why it was prohibited for women to perform in front of them.... |
Let's not deny that there's some truth in this. If it was prohibited I don't think the reason was that women are dying because of men's lust. As far as I know, women enjoy men's lust as long as it doesn't violate them. Truth is that men in some cultures don't think they need to control their sexuality, instead - they restrain women.
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 02:57 am |
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Quoting elham: as you said alameda Belly Dance called Raqs Sharqi or Baladi dance, but in In Egypt men are not dancing belly dance because men dance is not any attraction but particularly for women contents of the attraction, there are dances for men but not bely dance, perhaps I am wrong, Im merely bystanders not an expert of belly dance  |
there are actually male bellydancers in egypt...tito is an example, and one of the master teachers of raqs sharqi is an egyptian, dr mohammed geddawi.
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 06:59 am |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6autbeh_tUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhN3bWlhQKc
These are videos of Tito. Tito is amazing and masculine in his dance, and one of my female friends from my dance troupe said when she watched his video, "now I know how men feel when they look at us!" meaning she thinks he is sexy.
Bellydance has it's roots in folk dances of Egypt and mixes in other north African dances plus middle eastern dances...all the way up to Turkey and Iran. In Egypt the folk moves are done by everyone...just NOT on stage! Women dance together with other women at family parties. A lot of the folk moves are done with the hips in Egypt, same with Algeria and Morocco..countries that I know some folk dance from. AND ONE dance in Turkey I saw a man do a great vibration shimmy while doing Kasik...it is in my favorites on youtube...but I can't remember who he was now.
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 08:54 am |
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yup, there are definitely male bellydancers here in australia.
some of them actually put the female bellydancers to shame...they are so good!
here are just some of them...
jamil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29HV9aFCaM
ferdi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wVGFWQCPs
shiva:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR1ZATJt38o
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26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:42 am |
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Quoting gezbelle: yup, there are definitely male bellydancers here in australia.
some of them actually put the female bellydancers to shame...they are so good!
here are just some of them...
jamil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29HV9aFCaM
ferdi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wVGFWQCPs
shiva:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR1ZATJt38o |
Can't wait to watch, but can't open YouTube at work!! 
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