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I hate a belly dance
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50.       libralady
5152 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:42 am

Quoting gezbelle:

yup, there are definitely male bellydancers here in australia.

some of them actually put the female bellydancers to shame...they are so good!

here are just some of them...
jamil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29HV9aFCaM

ferdi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wVGFWQCPs

shiva:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR1ZATJt38o



Can't wait to watch, but can't open YouTube at work!!

51.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:45 am

Quoting Badiabdancer74:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6autbeh_tUk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhN3bWlhQKc
These are videos of Tito.



Actually,normally men dont dance this way !
And men dont dance while tying scarfs arround their waists too,and regularly they dont wear Gelbab 'the one he is wearing there' they wear normal clothes,shirt and trousers for example,suit and taking of the jacket because they are already in a party or something and dance.
Men who wear gelbab dance other way far diffrent from the one in the link,some folk dance only for men,and its very lovely too.
But some women try to dance similarly to them out of being fun,like we too 'women' can dance same as you do.
And i guess that is what Tito doing their too !

Normal men not the ones who dance on stages,they belly dance but not same as women belly dances.
Or else what would be the difference between both of them while dancing together?!

52.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 10:43 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:

As for men dying of lust, I don't know anything about that. It seems more women have been dying because of men's lust. I think that's why it was prohibited for women to perform in front of them....


Let's not deny that there's some truth in this. If it was prohibited I don't think the reason was that women are dying because of men's lust. As far as I know, women enjoy men's lust as long as it doesn't violate them. Truth is that men in some cultures don't think they need to control their sexuality, instead - they restrain women.



I probably should have said uncontroled lust, and that being part of the reason.

It appears we have is a semantic issue. I use the term lust in the classic/older sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

"Lust is any intense desire or craving for self gratification. Lust can mean strictly sexual lust, although it is also common to speak of a "lust for life", "lust for blood (bloodlust for short)", or a "lust for power" or other goals. The Greek word which translates as lust is epithymia (επιθυμια, which also is translated into English as "to covet".

Another resource for word definition is:
http://www.visualthesaurus.com/

In Visualthesaurus Lust is related to lecherousness.

In Websters online dictionary the word lust is related to:
nymphomania, priapism, satyriasis, satyrism; excitement, heat, hunger, libido, rut; fervor; carnality, lasciviousness, lecherousness, lechery, lubricity, salacity

According to these definitions I question your statement: "As far as I know, women enjoy men's lust as long as it doesn't violate them."

Of course, nobody wants to be repulsive, but inciting lust is another matter.

53.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 11:02 pm

Here are some related dance forms....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvd-MALA7tw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ItUOuGp38

54.       Badiabdancer74
382 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 11:02 pm

CANLI SAID: Belly dancing not just showing bodies movments,its how you move your body over the music so if anyone lower the music,you can almost feel it from the dancer movments and steps.
And THAT is an art,not anyone capable of.
And that is why you would find Egyptian belly dance is different than Lebanon's belly dance,different than Turkish belly dance,and so on Some you would feel they are doing some exercises not dancing,and some are really good.

YES YES YES! Perfectly said Canli. I fall asleep watching the "look at all the weird things my body can do" dancers. Expression is so important. Happy and playful are the expressions I like to see in a belly dancer. Like Lucy, a Beledi style dancer. My question is "How do you NOT smile when you hear the music!" I had to try not to smile when I was mocking the Turkish bellydancers in my videos.(Asena being the worst in expression in my opinion... 'bored super-model trying to dance')The Passion for the music!!! Expressing the music through the dance. Dancing is fun, if it isn't fun...if you are not in love with the music don't do it!

55.       femme_fatal
0 posts
 26 Sep 2007 Wed 11:07 pm

Quoting alameda:


I probably should have said uncontroled lust, and that being part of the reason.

It appears we have is a semantic issue. I use the term lust in the classic/older sense:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lust

"Lust is any intense desire or craving for self gratification. Lust can mean strictly sexual lust, although it is also common to speak of a "lust for life", "lust for blood (bloodlust for short)", or a "lust for power" or other goals. The Greek word which translates as lust is epithymia (επιθυμια, which also is translated into English as "to covet".

Another resource for word definition is:
http://www.visualthesaurus.com/

In Visualthesaurus Lust is related to lecherousness.

In Websters online dictionary the word lust is related to:
nymphomania, priapism, satyriasis, satyrism; excitement, heat, hunger, libido, rut; fervor; carnality, lasciviousness, lecherousness, lechery, lubricity, salacity

According to these definitions I question your statement: "As far as I know, women enjoy men's lust as long as it doesn't violate them."

Of course, nobody wants to be repulsive, but inciting lust is another matter.


OMG
thank you very much for your lesson on the word "lust"
i have lived in the darkness having no idea of the LIGHT of alameda!

56.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Sep 2007 Thu 12:03 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

OMG
thank you very much for your lesson on the word "lust"
i have lived in the darkness having no idea of the LIGHT of alameda!



Femme...

I'm so happy to have been of assistance....

57.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Sep 2007 Thu 12:10 am

Quoting alameda:

According to these definitions I question your statement: "As far as I know, women enjoy men's lust as long as it doesn't violate them."

Of course, nobody wants to be repulsive, but inciting lust is another matter.


Since you were responding to my post... I don't understand what point you wanted to make. Could you clarify it a bit more..?

58.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 Sep 2007 Thu 12:37 am

Coitus interruptus! (Wake up from your fantasies)

There is a family of simple rhythms called Turk aksagi. Those of us who were raised in this culture and all the others who have developed a taste for it respond to this "Turk aksagi" almost instinctively by moving their bodies to its magical rhythm. Females I spoke with would say it is something that they just can't control. Once the rhythm begins they rush to populate the stage and whether it be with men with other females or all alone, they start swaying their hips in belly dance fashion. As seen belly dance is largely a cultural thing for those people.

Truth be told there are all kinds of people in any society. Some of those people are perverts, some of them are extra horny and it is not uncommon to find people with other such problems yet I still believe a great majority of people in any society are more less straight when it comes to sexuality. After all, common people want order, peace and prosperity and any corrupt personalities are just the flaws in the functioning of society. That being said some of us constantly complain of pervert males who always try to captivate women, strip them off their freedoms etc. This is obviously an obsessive way of thinking.

Going back to our main subject; just like many other misconceptions, the notion that bellydance causes women to become submissive along with the cliché depicting muslim males in their harems enjoying the erotic dances of their wives is nothing more than a Western fantasy which is way too shallow to hold any seed of truth in it. We should actually be looking to find the traces of a Western voyeurism in this perspective. After all, complete operas telling the story of a young and handsome European penetrating into the harem and kidnapping the sultan's favourite courtisan were written by those same Europeans.
You might think that would be a far fetched idea but think for a second how different the Western and Turkish connotations of the phrase "Turkish Bath" are. In Turkey hamam is very much like a spa. In other countries it also means "a brothel". I have never heard of sex parties being organized in Turkish hamams here but the Western mind is adept in fantacizing hot "Turkish Delights" doing their "Belly Dance" service in a different manner.

We know those fairy tales and Arabian nights. Not long ago an Arab was nothing more than a Turk even Greeks were regarded as Turks and vice versa. They still think Muslim describes all Middle Eastern people. Browse songs from the 50's with themes touching Turks, Arabs and muslims and you will see it for yourselves. You will be surprized at how shallow their perspective was then.

A German friend of mine takes belly dance costumes for his wife whenever he comes to Turkey. He says, his wife orders those costumes because she believes belly dance is both very enjoyable and a healthy exercise too. Obviously he likes watching his wife exclusively and who doesn't?

Women don't become submissive when they do this dance. There is an Arabic phrase describing the female sex as "cins-i latif" meaning the beautiful sex. If you have the right hormones, you would feel horny just by seeing a woman walk in the street. It is in our nature to get attracted to the other sex. If you are unable to let the whole thing flow in its nature course maybe time has come for you to dismiss the monk in your minds.

59.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 27 Sep 2007 Thu 05:26 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

It's not my cup of tea either Femme, but I think it has a lot of history. As a part of culture I think it has meaning but at those cheesey dinner theaters it is harder to see it as art.


sex sex sex - its all about!
a woman is exposed like an object of sex!
and men watch it full of lust!



Weird... I could never imagine that I would agree with you someday...

Quoting Vorhon:

Belly dance is not an erotic activity.



Good joke! (This must be really a joke!)

60.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Sep 2007 Thu 07:46 am

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting Elisabeth:

It's not my cup of tea either Femme, but I think it has a lot of history. As a part of culture I think it has meaning but at those cheesey dinner theaters it is harder to see it as art.


sex sex sex - its all about!
a woman is exposed like an object of sex!
and men watch it full of lust!



Weird... I could never imagine that I would agree with you someday...


Caliptrix, you made me laugh lol

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