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Nationalism soars in Turkey
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02 Nov 2007 Fri 11:30 pm |
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Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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02 Nov 2007 Fri 11:35 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: handsom,
keep your political crap ....continiue the game you started yourself...let us see what else you have to ask..)))))))))) |
are you angry because you proved by yourself you are a racist?.
No further question!!
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02 Nov 2007 Fri 11:49 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting AlphaF:
Kurds with Turkish citienship must make a decision. If they are not happy to side with their brothers loyal to Republic of Turkia, it is time for them to go and join PKK fighting in the mountains.
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who do you think you are? i am a kurdish and my fathers have been living in this land for 2000 years..turkish citizenship is not a gift from god to kurdish. i am not happy with your god damned state's politics..but yet i am here and not going anywhere...and noone has right to tell me " GO" ... |
Ciko...
No one is asking you to leave your homeland Ciko. All you have to do is to be responsible citizens. Stand up in line with those you feel close to. Beware however that there will be no negotiation on deeds or intentions of PKK: It is still your choice, if your heart is closer to them.
My own hometown right in the middle of Turkia is just as poor as Kurdish populated areas of the country. The only pride they have is the 198 graveyards, of sons shot by PKK, in defense of the homeland.
Turkia is not a rich country-we do not enjoy safe and stable borders like some other luckier countries, say like Belgium. PKK cost all of us 300 billion dollars in the last 15 years. Other ethnic groups of Turkia will not strive to keep a rosy garden of happy Kurds in South East Turkia. You too will have to educate yourselves, work hard, produce, excell in your professions,compete, strive to raise through the ranks, contribute to advance the welfare of the whole country (ok.. you can have your first shot at improving the welfare of your Kurdish brothers, but never thru terrorism or working toward separation), forget carving a piece from the land of the Republic.
Do you get the message?
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03 Nov 2007 Sat 12:38 am |
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A turkish Intellect Murat Belge:
in turkish but I am sure some of you will be able to understand
some extracts:
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Bu kadrolar, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti ile ancak savaşılabileceğine inanıyorlar. Türkiye'de yaşayan Kürt nüfusun tamamının da buna inanmasını sağlamaya çalışıyorlar.
Oysa Türkiye'de yaşayan Kürt nüfusun çoğu, yalnız batıya büyük kentlere göçmüş olanlar değil, doğuda yaşamaya devam edenlerin de çoğu, bu görüşÃ¼ benimsemiş değil. Ayrılıkçı bir politikayı onaylamış değil. PKK'nın öteden beri ve bugün, karşılaştığı en büyük engel burada.
Ama PKK'nın en büyük dostu ve yardımcısı, bugün gördüğümüz davranış ve söylemiyle Türk milliyetçiliği. Milliyetçiler, Kürt nüfusa, bu ülkede ancak ikinci sınıf olabileceklerini, adam yerine konmayacaklarını, tepelerinde boza pişirileceğini anlatmakta, PKK militanlarından çok daha etkili olabiliyorlar. |
in a nutshell:
Pkk is trying to make all kurds believe that you can only fight with Turkish Republic.
But most of the kurdish population do not approve the separation. This has been the most difficult problem for pkk.
But the greatest friend and helper of pkk is turkish nationalism with their ideas and sayings. Nationalists, by telling to Kurdish population that 'they can be only a second class citizens, they are not going to be counted, they will be in trouble' are more effective then pkk militants.
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03 Nov 2007 Sat 01:02 am |
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No need to take Murat Belge as a point of reference...to judge Turkish nationalists...I doubt his intellect anyway...
What a Turkish nationalist is saying is clear in my message to Ciko...Am I telling Ciko that he is a second class citizen?
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:09 am |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:17 am |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.
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Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)!
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:28 am |
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Allow us to introduce about 5000 PKK members into your country...It wont take long for you to start feeling insecure too... 
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:32 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)!
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.
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You're talking about something else, but in case you were referring to my post: There are some people in Germany who hate the Turks in Germany, okay?, and there're some people in Turkey who hate the Kurds, clear? I was pointing out the obvious correlation between them.
And the situation of Turks in Germany. You seem to have some ideas over there. But please look up the word "gastarbeiter", which may give you an idea about the situation.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:34 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Gizli Yuz: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.
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Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)!
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.
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Catwoman is right. Let's not jump on the ethnic hatred band wagon. We already have enough problems. Very few countries are homogeneous. Kurds, Armenians and all the other minorities are the building blocks of this society. We should open our hearts to innocent Kurdish people who stay away from terrorism and do not support the PKK. The other way (nationalism) is not a proper alternative at all. We Turks are just like other people and we have our own shortcomings as well as virtues.
Let us fight racism together. We don't like to see it in other cultures. So, we mustn't let it become a part of our own.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:35 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Gizli Yuz: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.
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Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)!
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.
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I did not read your former 1536 messages. If they are same like the last one, i wish you have a nice life with your beloved kurdish minority in your HOMELAND.
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