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Nationalism soars in Turkey
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:35 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Gizli Yuz: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Erlik Han: PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that. |
Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist
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Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.
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Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)! 
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.
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I did not read your former 1536 messages. If they are same like the last one, i wish you have a nice life with your beloved kurdish minority in your HOMELAND.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:39 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Catwoman is right. Let's not jump on the ethnic hatred band wagon. We already have enough problems. Very few countries are homogeneous. Kurds, Armenians and all the other minorities are the building blocks of this society. We should open our hearts to innocent Kurdish people who stay away from terrorism and do not support the PKK. The other way (nationalism) is not a proper alternative at all. We Turks are just like other people and we have our own shortcomings as well as virtues.
Let us fight racism together. We don't like to see it in other cultures. So, we mustn't let it become a part of our own. |
Very well said Vineyards.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:41 am |
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Turks, Kurds and others in this group must understand that the current fight is NOT betwwen Turk and Kurd citizens of Turkia, but between Turkia and PKK which is a terrorist organizsation (ask Mss. Rice, if you dont believe me)
Any one who sides with PKK is siding with terrorism, whether he is Kurdish, Turkish, American or Eskimo.
LET US FIGHT TERRORISM TOGETHER..
Is that clear?
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:47 am |
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You are right in general Catwoman but let me correct something. We shouldn't be talking about equal rights here. There is no ethnic discrimination in our laws (at least as far as I know). What we should be talking about is equal opportunities to Western and Eastern regions. The government carries out a number of projects and offers incentives to those wishing to invest in the Eastern provinces. Nevertheless, because of the unique geography of Turkey, East has always been more difficult to develop.
Anatolia is like a ladder. Whereas the altitude on the Western end is 0 it increases dramatically as you travel to east standing at altitudes of a couple of thousand meters on avarage in the farther parts of Anatolia. People live in small villages there with little communication, transportation and economic means. Many of them emigrate abroad and use the pretext we are being oppressed by the government.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:53 am |
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Quoting vineyards: You are right in general Catwoman but let me correct something. We shouldn't be talking about equal rights here. There is no ethnic discrimination in our laws (at least as far as I know). What we should be talking about is equal opportunities to Western and Eastern regions. The government carries out a number of projects and offers incentives to those wishing to invest in the Eastern provinces. Nevertheless, because of the unique geography of Turkey, East has always been more difficult to develop.
Anatolia is like a ladder. Whereas the altitude on the Western end is 0 it increases dramatically as you travel to east standing at altitudes of a couple of thousand meters on avarage in the farther parts of Anatolia. People live in small villages there with little communication, transportation and economic means. Many of them emigrate abroad and use the pretext we are being oppressed by the government. |
Thank you Vineyards, obviously I don't know many details about this problem, but from what I've learned on this site it looks like what you're saying is true. It is really a very difficult problem to deal with and I think it's really important to keep in mind the things you mentioned in your previous message.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:04 am |
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Quoting vineyards:
Catwoman is right. |
I was being sarcastic about being "a great defender of Turkish nation". But you said Catwoman is right, which may seem to imply that I was wrong. Can you please elaborate which part of my posts you're reffering to, and where I am wrong If you thought I was wrong. Because what I did else is comparing with German racists and Turkish racists.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:24 am |
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SAGIRLAR DIALOGU..... 
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:25 am |
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I didn't read your messages Gizli Yuz. I just wrote what I wrote there and that is my genuine opinion.
I criticized Catwoman in the past when I felt a need for criticism and praised her when I thought she was telling the truth. This is just one of such happy moments.
It is obviously not a good idea to be stuck with the past. Every day brings along a new chance to get somethings right. Let us not create enemies among ourselves.
The punchline is try to show a little sympathy to others if you want to be treated with sympathy.
We cannot create that sympathy by increasing the ethnic awareness.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:30 am |
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This is a very depressing thread. I hope and pray that Turkia, with all it's citizens find peace and learn to live, love and prosper together.
Stay united! Don't let others divide you.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 04:54 am |
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Quoting vineyards: I didn't read your messages Gizli Yuz. |
Thank you for clarifying it.
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04 Nov 2007 Sun 12:50 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.
I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands. |
Being Dutch (and NOT hating Turks in this country, I have no reason to do so), I'm very curious what you think is the reason why some of my countrymen do dislike/hate Turks and what the connection is between this hatred en the hatred in Turkey against Kurdish people.
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