Quoting Roswitha:

Arab nationalists such as Saddam Hussein and Islamist groups such as al-Qaeda both see close and highly charged parallels with the medieval period. Saddam chooses to portray himself as the modern-day successor to Saladin. He has had himself depicted next to the emir on postage stamps. In huge murals, he stands above tanks rolling to victory; alongside him is Saladin pictured above his charging cavalry. The message is clear: just as Saladin vanquished the Western invader, so Saddam will, too.

Saladin has become one of the major heroes of Islam. The needs of modern-day politics have dictated that both he and the crusading movement as a whole remain highly charged images – an enduring and powerful legacy to the 21st century.

Quoting AlphaF:

Saladdin was not an Arab....He was of Kurdish origin.

The rest of Crusaders were taken care of by Turkish forces.

Quoting AlphaF:

Saladdin was not an Arab....He was of Kurdish origin.

The rest of Crusaders were taken care of by Turkish forces.

Quoting Roswitha:

The Crusaders! When will their crimes be known!

Quoting AlphaF:

Did you know that perhaps the worst enemy of Turks in history was Martin Luther? He actually wrote a special treatise to warn his fellow Chiristians against the Turkish danger and suggested ways to combat and destroy the Turks.
Very peace-loving man, he was !

In his treatise, he also noted that the Jews were just as bad. He claimed that Turks and Jews feel close to each other and both consider their own religions monoteist (single god), but secretly think Christianity is a politeist religion (with more than one god). What a shame !

Quoting AlphaF:

Did you know that perhaps the worst enemy of Turks in history was Martin Luther? He actually wrote a special treatise to warn his fellow Chiristians against the Turkish danger and suggested ways to combat and destroy the Turks.
Very peace-loving man, he was !

In his treatise, he also noted that the Jews were just as bad. He claimed that Turks and Jews feel close to each other and both consider their own religions monoteist (single god), but secretly think Christianity is a politeist religion (with more than one god). What a shame !

Quoting AlphaF:

Did you know that perhaps the worst enemy of Turks in history was Martin Luther?

Quoting Elisabeth:

Martin Luther King website.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting AEnigma III:

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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: Alpha, honestly I had never heard this. Do you have a site supporting your claim. I am just interested and would like to read more. I don't think this is something that would be posted on an average Martin Luther King website. Where does he come up with these allegations.

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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: Alpha, honestly I had never heard this. Do you have a site supporting your claim. I am just interested and would like to read more. I don't think this is something that would be posted on an average Martin Luther King website. Where does he come up with these allegations.

Quoting teaschip1:

Well who the hell is Martin Luther?
Were just use to omegas attacks, that's why were so defensive.

Quoting AlphaF:

Elisabeth,

This is how he felt about Turks.

If you search under "luther jews" in google you can find references to his love for Jews.

very interesting reading !

Quoting Elisabeth:

Thanks Alpha but it seems that I got my Martin Luthers confused....I think I must be thrusted!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AlphaF:

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He definitely beats FF, no? very interesting reading !

Quoting AlphaF:

There are only two Martin Luthers, worth mentioning Elisabeth.

The other one was a good guy...RIP

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting teaschip1:

let's blame another American.

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1: Well who the hell is Martin Luther? Were just use to omegas attacks, that's why were so defensive. OMG! Teaship are you catholic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

Quoting AlphaF:

Elisabeth,

This is how he felt about Turks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Turkism

If you search under "luther jews" in google you can find references to his love for Jews too.

He definitely beats FF, no? very interesting reading !

Quoting AlphaF:

More brownie points to AEnigma..

She does make sense, occassionally !

Quoting femme_fatal:

omega
tho this is true:
The ordinary Turks did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery.

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Is there a reason for this blank space? Should we be taking notes?

OMG I forget to take notes .

Quoting femme_fatal:

when it fits she makes sense, when it doesnt shes an ignorant!

Quoting AlphaF:

Elisabeth,
Are you finished reading up Luthers yet? You look very confused !

Quoting AEnigma III:

Well Teas did but she "cant be expected to remember every old monk"

Quoting AlphaF:

Elisabeth,
Are you finished reading up Luthers yet? You look very confused !

Quoting femme_fatal:

tho, i do believe lisa knows about luther.

Quoting femme_fatal:

tho, i do believe lisa knows about luther.

Quoting teaschip1:

Yes, I am but hell do you think I remember every monk there was.

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth:

I was trying to get some brownie points of my own but it seems that AEnigma has taken them all again!!

Quoting portokal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

the thing is that cathoics dont have a so called duty about luther, not mentioning all other old monks

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting AlphaF:

Lisa?
Luther the grocer at the corner....if we are very lucky

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting femme_fatal: the thing is that cathoics dont have a so called duty about luther, not mentioning all other old monks Well true! There is no duty regarding old monks like Luther, but I was silly enough to assume

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Hey, I had 15 years of religion class on a daily basis. What do you think I was doing during class? This was probably when old Luther was mentioned.

Quoting teaschip1:

Hey, I had 15 years of religion class on a daily basis. What do you think I was doing during class? This was probably when old Luther was mentioned.

Quoting AlphaF:

More brownie points to AEnigma..
She does make sense, occassionally !

Quoting AlphaF:

Did you know that perhaps the worst enemy of Turks in history was Martin Luther? He actually wrote a special treatise to warn his fellow Chiristians against the Turkish danger and suggested ways to combat and destroy the Turks.
Very peace-loving man, he was !

In his treatise, he also noted that the Jews were just as bad. He claimed that Turks and Jews feel close to each other and both consider their own religions monoteist (single god), but secretly think Christianity is a politeist religion (with more than one god). What a shame !

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you better think a little before you pop up with some old monks.

Quoting femme_fatal:

you better think a little before you pop up with some old monks.