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Hairdresser sued for refusing to hire Muslim woman in a headscarf
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:34 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: Quoting elham: Isn't it remarkable how headscarves always bring all the anti-Muslims out in droves? Maybe they can explain: |
Hi Elham - firstly thanks for calling me an anti-Muslim. Isn't also amazing that you consider all who think that time-wasters of tax-payers money and court time are naturally anti-Muslim. I could care whether this girl was Muslim or Hindu, Christian or Jewish, the fact remains that many jobs require certain things, and in this world too many people are jumping to sue when they think anything is against them. Let me ask you what would happen then if I, non-covered person were to ask for a job in a place that requires me the wear a headscarf, would I have any chance in court fighting against it - probably not. Secondly I would not even go for the job because I know it would be pointless.
Secondly, many of my closest and dearest friends and family are Muslims (and many I might add being covered ladies whom I love) and I love them deeply and unconditionally and have a very good understanding of their values and thoughts as do they of me and mine. Many times their viewpoints are no different to mine. |
There are laws about discrimination for good reason. As long as the way you dress isn't too way out, how would you feel if you were denied a job because of the way you dress, or how long your hair is. There is too much discrimination in the world and these kind of laws are there to protect us from such prejudice. Good for her for standing up for her rights and I for one have no objection about my taxes going towards protecting people's rights.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:54 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting elham: Isn't it remarkable how headscarves always bring all the anti-Muslims out in droves? |
For my part, my objection to headscarves is not because I am anti-Muslim. The headscarf is a symbol of the way muslim women are treated as possessions and second class citizens. Whatever you tell me about the Quran, I will never be convinced that this is anything but man's jealousy.
As to the topic, how much confidence would you have in letting someone style your hair who covers HER OWN HAIR!!! |
Moslem women in Western countries and countries like Turkey are not forced to wear scarves. You are wrong when you suggest the hijab is a mark of possession for these women. They choose to wear them for reasons of modesty. You do not have to be a muslim woman to be treated as a possession and second class citizen. Christian societies do exactly the same thing in different ways. Even worse, in the west women are treated as sex objects - Moslem women dress to avoid being looked upon as nothing but a sex object. Many Christians still believe the woman's place is in the home and that her role is to serve her husband and raise her family. Just a the bible is interpreted in different ways, so is the Qur-an. Most Moslem men do not treat their women like the Taliban do, and most Christians do not treat their women the way the Evangelists do. So pleas stop suggesting that one culture or religion is better than another. People are the same in all countries - in every country you have kind people and cruel people, educated people and uneducated people.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:56 pm |
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There are people who say they are Catholic, muslim, bhuddist etc.. who kill people, lie, steal , commit adultery etc... People are individuals. There are people in America who practice polygamy, I'm sure it's not just in America, probably all over. However it is NOT a high percentage, and not a normal or regular practice for the religion. In fact, if you are practicing polygamy you are NOT following the religion. It's just people who want that kind of life, and trying to justify it  Actually, we call these people Jack mormons, they say they are mormons but they are not following the religion. Like terrorists who say they are just muslims, no...they are just terrorists. I can find you a hundred plus sites full of "facts" about mormons, but honestly, they are full of crap.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:59 pm |
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Oh please go to Afhanistan and Saudi Arabia and ask the women if they enjoy covering themselves and if it is enforced on them by men! Unfortunately you are unable to ask the thoughts of young girls who died in a fire in Saudi Araba because their male "rescuers" were unwilling to let them be taken out of the building uncovered.
I agree with you about all religions - I am not just anti-muslim. I am anti all MALE MADE "religions" which create male dominated societies of God fearing people.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:59 pm |
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Obviously Kirsty doesn't believe in "dialogue and education"... let's refer her to qdemir for therapy.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:01 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Obviously Kirsty doesn't believe in "dialogue and education"... let's refer her to qdemir for therapy. |
Why on earth would you say I don't believe in education?!?
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:02 pm |
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Quoting xkirstyx: There are people who say they are Catholic, muslim, bhuddist etc.. who kill people, lie, steal , commit adultery etc... People are individuals. |
Exactly! So please tell me the point of all these religions? To make good people good? Religion does not make the world a better place, it does not prevent cruelty or crime so what is it's place in this world? To ensure an eternal paradise for their particular followers?
I am glad that I dont have to go into detailed argument about your religion though Kirsty! It never does any good in pulling someone's beliefs apart and revealing them as utter crap.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:08 pm |
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Well that's the difference between someone who believes and someone who doesn't. You look at it and think what is the point, why do u believe in it? What are you achieving. When you believe in a religion it's something people feel rather than see. So the people cannot prove something they feel. So there would be no point to debate about whether religion is true or not, or whether it makes sense to everyone or not.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:11 pm |
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Quoting xkirstyx: Well that's the difference between someone who believes and someone who doesn't. You look at it and think what is the point, why do u believe in it? What are you achieving. When you believe in a religion it's something people feel rather than see. So the people cannot prove something they feel. So there would be no point to debate about whether religion is true or not, or whether it makes sense to everyone or not. |
However, wee CAN debate about the facts of how women end up being treated by you and your fellows, how tolerant you are to believers of other faiths or to unbelievers and a plethora of other horrific facts... etc.
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14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:14 pm |
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of course I agree. I don't think its right for coutries to be run in a relgious style Government. I think religion is a personal choice. I don't think any woman should have to put up with being treated badly or made to wear or not wear anything, or not have her own opinions etc. I don't think anyone has any right to treat any one lesser than themself.
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